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[bigdaddy]

I know this is an F1 site and all, but I see there are a few Gran Turismo fans here. So who agrees?
Before I get lynched let me qualify my opinion.
WHAT'S DIFFERENT? Aside from the visuals, pretty much nothing. I loved GT1 and GT2, but hell, GT3 should have been way better than those two games ( new hardware ) instead, it's the same old same old. Even the 95% of the tracks are the same! Look at the woefull AI. The opponent cars still stick to their line come hell or high water, and will still ride straight into the back of you if you're in the way. In short, I feel like Mr. Invisible on the track. Hardly next - gen stuff. Oh yes, them pitting on the 14th lap of a 15 lap race is just killer too. Yes it's terribly stupid isn't it?

Not only that, but the racing is not very competitive either. On the endurance races I can scream coz I'm usually at least 2 laps ahead of the next guy. The racing is actually about as exiting as watching paint dry. In my view, GT3 is a car collection game rather than any sort of "real driving simulator" and the developers are just rehashing an old formula for a quick cash - in. I woulden't even mind that, but when I see this game getting perfect scores in magazines it makes me laugh.
I'm not here to bash a game for bashing's sake, but GT3 has obvious faults that it seems only I can detect.

By the way, what's with the new anti skid devices on all the cars? What's with that?

[JDeRosa]

So you like the game then????

Originally posted by bigdaddy

I'm not here to bash a game for bashing's sake, but GT3 has obvious faults that it seems only I can detect.

What makes you think that you're the only one??? I certainly don't think its a perfect game, but as you rightly say, it's more a car collecting game than anything else. I personally enjoy the licences, the TT's, and Free Runs more than anything else. I think the racing is rather dull, that's why I'd rather play WRC, where it's you VS the track. You have to start on normal mode and once you complete that you get a hard mode, but the game keeps you on your toes because you couldn't possibly memorize all the tracks, so it's always a surprise. 14 different rallies each with 5 stages = 70 different tracks ranging from gravel, tarmac and snow during the day and night with great in-car and chase viewpoints. The cars take damage (limited), get dirty throughout the stage and it just tremendous fun. Not to mention that there's an online competition starting from next week on the Official Site which unlocks extra bonus stages.....anyway, if you don't have it, check it out!!!

[babbel]

Originally posted by bigdaddy
I know this is an F1 site and all, but I see there are a few Gran Turismo fans here. So who agrees?

This is a racing simulator forum and as far as I'm concerned all sorts of racing sims are allowed to be discussed. From a gp500 to a world sport cars to a f1 sim.

[The Kanisteri]

GT3 overrated?
Yes you think so, but is there better racing game for PS2?...I think not (yet).

You were saying endurance races are boring because you win the second best by margin 2 laps.
Why don't you race with slower car?

You didn't mention 'why doesn't cars get damaged', but you thinks so? Am I right?
The answer is simple: GT games has so meny official cars with trademarks and someones of them doesn't allow to use their 'cars' messy or damaged, so cars are 'unbreakable'.

About tracks you are right, but sure current tracks are more better made than tracks in GT1 and 2.
The game ain't perfect but is currently one of the best you can get for PS2.

[Chrissy Boy]

I agree with The Kanisteri, it the best racing game for PS2!

Posted by bigdaddy

The opponent cars still stick to their line come hell or high water, and will still ride straight into the back of you if you're in the way.

Then go faster!

Yeah the only reason to drive races is to get all the cars, so you can race against your own or others lap times.

One of the other nice things about GT3, is the pressure sensetive buttons, if you don't have a wheel. Learn to use them, and you will get mutch better control, than you got in GT1 and 2.

And the grafic is mutch better.

[Fiorano]

I agree it's the best sim for the PS2, but it could (and should) have been sooo much better. Unless you're a regular PS2 user, it's not worth buying a system just for the game. There really isn't that much different between GT2 and GT3, aside from the obvious.

[mahelgel]

I haven't played it much, but i wasn't that impressed... My biggest problem was the hand controller, i just wasn't compatible with it Also when running a subaru impreza in two player mode on some gravle, i didn't have to break for most of the corners.. and that was a bit arcadeish for me.

Probably some great fun for a while (if on get the hang of the controller device), but i feel that it is a bit short lived (yes i know there are many cars, mods and so on, but still). But these are just first impressions from a 10min play, so don't lay too much into it

[Alfisti]

An absolutely shocking game.

BD how does this sound?

1) Tyre wear is a joke. No two laps are ever the same because the tyres wear so fast. Utterly IN****ingSANE.
2) Unpredictable pitting. Lap 14 of 15?? Yeah .... not at all .. yeah again. So ****ign stupid.
3) ALL the cars understeer and lack grip. IN****IGNSANE. Maybe because the tyre wear is so poor even on hards .. they just understeer everywhere.
4) It takes AN ABSOLUTE AGE to complete a series like a CC in pro mode. Who the the feck has 2 1/2 hrs to kill every time they sit down.
5) Point 4 is further agitating because the SAVE option doesn't save series points
6) The MAD decision to boost power on full race cars yet "drop" their standard power. I ****ign know for sure a GTR Skyline is 650+ HP in race trim in the Japan GTC ... yet it's RWD and 400 odd HP in the game ... then you can boost it to 900 odd HP. as a result the 400HP cars feel so slow. SO FECKING STUPID!
7) Cars that are unequally matched ... so often one car is SOOOOOOO much faster than the rest that the racing is BORING. Like the Beetle in the FWD CC
8) AI cars are just totally moronic. They stick to their line and hit you ALL the time.

Crap game ... looks fantastic but the rest is total crap.

[Fiorano]

Originally posted by Alfisti

5) Point 4 is further agitating because the SAVE option doesn't save series points

Actually you can save series points, but you must continue from that series when you reload.

[Ivan]

I agree and don't agree with alot of what was said.
Altisti,
your points are true and make me laugh all the same
I can't remember who said it but, the cars do take damage. You have to turn on that option. But, beware if you hit a fly, the car will not want to move.
I have GT1, GT2, and GT3. I will not go near Gt3 1/2 that new crap thing is all about taking your hard earned. But If Gt4 comes out and it's better and Sony doesn't put it out for PS3 only, I'll get it.

[Pirelli1]

I hate this game. I played it for 2 weeks thinking it was great and then I realized it just totally sucks. IMO this game was made for riceboy street-race wannabes. Also the understeer is awful and the tires wear out too quickly.

[daz]

Originally posted by Pirelli1
I hate this game. I played it for 2 weeks thinking it was great and then I realized it just totally sucks. IMO this game was made for riceboy street-race wannabes. Also the understeer is awful and the tires wear out too quickly.

I was the same, I played it for about 2 weeks then sold my PS2 - I realised the game and system as a whole was a waste of money. I'll stick to my PC.

Love the rice boy call - sums up the game really.

[The Kanisteri]

Daz.
You sold your PS2?
I think you miss all the humour of Grand Theft Auto III. What a lovely game.

[daz]

Originally posted by The Kanisteri
Daz.
You sold your PS2?
I think you miss all the humour of Grand Theft Auto III. What a lovely game.

Yeh, ages ago.

I played GTA III at my mates place yesterday, it looked good. I will get it for PC ... all is not lost.

[BuzzingHornet]

GTA3 is excellent The best game on the PS2 in my opinion

as for Gran Turismo 3, well hmmm... it does exactly what it says on the box but as with GT2, when you've got about 12 squillion quid and a used car lot full of souped up motors, what then..? Game over With GT2, I loved it until I got the Toyota GT1, and realised that this car could win virtually any race... whats the point of buying any other cars?!

[Ivan]

Daz,
It still makes me laugh that you got rid of PS2 just because you didn't like GT3.
I admire it but, it's funny.
By the way. I'm now playing Ace Combat 4 and it's a great fighter game. Have you tried it?
I don't like putting games on my pc.

[Schummy]

In fact the game i liked the most in this series is GT1... To me, even GT2 was c***, with that idiotic AI.

[hchen]

well- alot of the problem you mention w/ regard to intelligent AI driving is the same for all driving games.

even w/ F1-2002 you have problems with fuel consumption and unrealistic racing lines-

e.g. you don't conserve gas by staying in the draft of another player-

the wet line is the same as the dry line... what's the point in adding in weather effects if they aren't going to simulate it realistically?

and i still get cars nailing me b/c i take a different line than the AI cars do.

but as a "GAME" both GT3 and F1-2002 does a decent job.

[Ricardo F1]

If you buy a PS2 to play a simulation me thinks you're a bit . . .

GT3 is a fine game - GAME GAME GAME. I enjoyed it, I didn't like some of its flaws but its the best console racer out there until GT4 and maybe, just maybe, PGR2.

[Nasty McBastard]

nah, it even sucks arse as a game...the whole GT series has

the GTx series is to PS/PS2 what the GPx series is to the PC

[mmmcurry]

Originally posted by Chrissy Boy
I agree with The Kanisteri, it the best racing game for PS2!

Posted by bigdaddy
One of the other nice things about GT3, is the pressure sensetive buttons, if you don't have a wheel. Learn to use them, and you will get mutch better control, than you got in GT1 and 2.

I used to race radio controlled cars so I use the sticks the wrong way round (left for power & right for turning). Its much better than the buttons.

I only play it on my mates PS2 after several beers, I usually end up winnign once I get used to the understeer.

Steve.

[bigbrickz]

If you're tired racing against the AI you could also try participating in the Atlas GT3 championship started by JForce and now run by Viktor.

When I last played (before my ps2 self-destructed) I was generally 1-2 seconds off the pace even though I could easily beat the game AI.

The physics of GT3 are decent enough to learn the difference a good line and proper braking/acceleration makes.

[Fransz]

I don't know about GT1 & GT2 or PSone because I never played them but I thought GT3 was ok for the PS2. I played it for about two weeks and thought it was pretty good. Just not enough time to keep playing. But as you can tell with my vast experience, what do I know.

[The Kanisteri]

First time I played GT3 with wheel on last weekend (althought me was drunk too).
It was damn fun and did take only about couple laps of laps on track to get used on.

[Alfisti]

Originally posted by The Kanisteri
First time I played GT3 with wheel on last weekend (althought me was drunk too).
It was damn fun and did take only about couple laps of laps on track to get used on.

Try GT2 and you willsoon discover how bad GT3 is.

[Karpow]

GT3 might be slightly overrated, yes. There's couple of mistakes which could have been fixed with so little extra work.

BUT... What makes GT3 one of the best racing games EVER is how it plays. If you guys have only played the game with a pad... Well, you haven't played it all. The game really requires a decent gaming wheel, such as Momo Force (I got the red old one). Then game is simply FANTASTIC to play... Momo senses every little bump on the track, every little movement, and turns... You have to experience it by yourself. Decent gaming wheel puts GT3 to another dimession and you will be asking yourself how you even bothered to play the game with a pad... Pad simply ruins the whole gaming experience.

When playing the game with decent gaming wheel, no other racing game comes even close to GT3 when talking about how real driving feels. For eg. Formula league was simply awesome to play. Once you get to the limit and find a decent race setup, you are hooked to the game and to it's speed.

I only hope that the mistakes in GT3 will be fixed to GT4. Then the game is simply perfect .

[Karpow]

Heh. I just readed all the posts... To those who are complaining about understeering: LEARN TO SETUP YOUR DAMN CAR RIGHT!!!

In GT3, adjusting your car makes lot of difference...

[Jason]

Originally posted by Alfisti

Try GT2 and you willsoon discover how bad GT3 is.

So, you're saying that GT2 is better than GT3? I found PC games more to my liking, so I never got a PS2. But, it's surprising to hear that GT3 wasn't an improvement over GT2.

[Brian O Flaherty]

Well I can add another perspective because I never played GT1 or GT2. The only GT I have played is 3, but I think it is a fantastic game. I was brought up on PC driving games and although some of them may be more accurate, I think GT3 manages to bring a level of physics accuracy into a fundamentally arcadey (i.e. fun) racing game. I presume from what I've read, that the main flaw is it didn't go far enough from what GT2 had already delivered, but hopefully that will be addressed in GT4 which by all accounts will be the be-all and end-all of driving games.

I have only a few issues with GT3 mostly around the relatively primitive multi-player section of the game.

Also, things outside it's control like being able to include Porsches and Ferraris but as I said there's nothing they can do about that.

[ryohki]

I love the GT series, and I kind of agree with the comments on GT2 being better than 3....
the problem I have, is not being able to put on the spunky ricerice racing modifications...
dammit.... downforce would be nice....