1984 Ligier Indycar (merged)
#1
Posted 22 January 2002 - 22:18
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#2
Posted 23 January 2002 - 04:16
I also seem to remember Andrea de Cesaris being linked with driving the Ligier at the Indy 500. He was driving for Ligier in F1 at the time.
#3
Posted 23 January 2002 - 06:21
#4
Posted 23 January 2002 - 10:18
#5
Posted 23 January 2002 - 10:48
Originally posted by dmj
I would buy every Provence Moulage model (and every Ligier model, too) if my wages would allow it...
Quite expensive hobby, dmj!
#6
Posted 23 January 2002 - 14:10
#7
Posted 23 January 2002 - 20:05
Pikachu: IIRC: Curb stayed on as Car-owner & sponsor later on, entering cars with primary sponsorship from Skoal Bandit, driven amonst others by Tom Sneva and John Andretti...
#8
Posted 23 January 2002 - 21:02
The Ligier LC02 was not a great car...Kevin Cogan drove it once, Long Beach '84, with slower (but richer) team-mate Mike Chandler in an Eagle. By the next race (Phoenix), they had swapped round and Chandler DNQ'd. Cogan gave up on it at Indy.
#9
Posted 24 January 2002 - 01:50
#10
Posted 24 January 2002 - 16:06
I wish i could afford buying some!
I usually surf into www.f1m.com, they have lots of cool pictures of models in the gallery.
#11
Posted 24 January 2002 - 20:27
#12
Posted 25 January 2002 - 00:45
Originally posted by Pikachu Racing
This looks like an interesting tidbit. Curb Records sponsor on the car. Took them about 18 years later to sponsor an open wheel car again and Billy Boat driving it. The number of the car was, you guessed it, 98.
Mike Curb (also a one time Lt. Governor of California on top of his entertainment ventures) was usually involved in conjunction with the Agajanian family, so used their traditional #98. The Agajanian #98 was seen at Indy from around 1950 on with drivers like Johnny Mantz, Troy Ruttman and Parnelli Jones.
Jim Thurman
#13
Posted 01 April 2003 - 07:29
An interesting, if short-lived point in Cogan's subsequent Indycar career concerned his Ligier (!) outing at Long Beach in 1984. Guy Ligier and promotor Mike Curb had grand ideas of breaking into CART racing using a hastily reworked Ligier JS21 chassis, along the lines of F1 refugee team Theodore's efforts. This was a total failure, however, and Cogan abandoned the Ligier-Curb for an Eagle 84SB, still backed by Curb.
Has any of you other information ? And some photos ?
I know that Provence Moulage released a model: ref. PRMK1557 LIGIER CURB LC02 INDY CAR 1984 "KEVIN COGAN" - but I could not see it anywhere up till now.
#14
Posted 01 April 2003 - 08:34
Originally posted by Japan Time
This story may have already been discussed in the past (before I started reading intensively what is published on the Nostalgia Forum), however I am searching details about the Dubonnet Ligier Curb LC02 Indy Car raced in 1984 by Kevin Cogan. As far as I can see the car only qualified once in Long Beach - and suffered a broken drive shaft on Lap 3. This is what I found in 8W:
Has any of you other information ? And some photos ?
I know that Provence Moulage released a model: ref. PRMK1557 LIGIER CURB LC02 INDY CAR 1984 "KEVIN COGAN" - but I could not see it anywhere up till now.
There's a reasonable photo in the Autocourse CART history book. If my scanner worked with my new PC I'd do the honours.
It looks like what it is - a JS21 with sidepods and a naked DFX. (i.e. VERY ugly!)
pete
#15
Posted 01 April 2003 - 08:58
Originally posted by petefenelon
There's a reasonable photo in the Autocourse CART history book
Here it is Pete..
(from Autocourse : CART - The First 20 Years)
#16
Posted 01 April 2003 - 09:24
The Ligier was driven after by Mike Curb who's abandonned his Eagle, I don't remember why.
The all thing collapsed shortly after lack of money I presume
Robert
#17
Posted 01 April 2003 - 09:46
#18
Posted 01 April 2003 - 09:49
Originally posted by VDP
The Ligier was driven after by Mike Curb who's abandonned his Eagle, I don't remember why.
The all thing collapsed shortly after lack of money I presume
Curb was co-owner (with Gurney) - never a driver, and it was the Ligier that was abandoned. Curb and Gurney would field Eagles for Cogan and Ed Pimm the rest of the CART season.
Whatever happened to Pimm and Chandler?
#19
Posted 01 April 2003 - 09:50
Originally posted by Rob Ryder
Here it is Pete..
(from Autocourse : CART - The First 20 Years)
Cheers Rob - that's the one!
pete
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#20
Posted 02 April 2003 - 08:59
Rob & Pete : thank you very much anyway for the info, this is very kind of you !
#21
Posted 05 April 2003 - 11:29
#22
Posted 25 June 2004 - 09:30
I was at that race, and the car looked even worse first-hand. Parts of the bodywork could be seen literally flying off the car down Shoreline Drive...Originally posted by Japan Time
As far as I can see the car only qualified once in Long Beach - and suffered a broken drive shaft on Lap 3.
TW
#23
Posted 25 June 2004 - 11:10
dhe curved edges if the side pod that sweep upwards were not seen yet in Indycar racing and even the Americans called similar constructions on other cars the "Ligier Whoops", named after the car that had them first.
Henri Greuter
#24
Posted 28 June 2004 - 03:24
Originally posted by theunions
Whatever happened to Pimm and Chandler?
A quick Google search did not yield any proof, but for some reason, I was thinking he was killed a few yrs ago. Possibly a private plane crash?
(I could be mixing him up with Chip Mead, who also received Red Roof Inns $$$ from Jim Trueman in the '80's.)
-jde
#25
Posted 28 June 2004 - 05:36
Originally posted by jde
A quick Google search did not yield any proof, but for some reason, I was thinking he was killed a few yrs ago. Possibly a private plane crash?
(I could be mixing him up with Chip Mead, who also received Red Roof Inns $$$ from Jim Trueman in the '80's.)
Both Pimm and Chandler are supposedly alive and kicking. Mead died within days of Alan Kulwicki and thus was widely ignored by the US media.
#26
Posted 28 June 2004 - 13:15
#27
Posted 28 June 2004 - 14:28
He did all but four laps in the season opener at Phoenix until wiped out by a race stopping five-car crash on the home straight; couldn't take the restart and that was that.Originally posted by FLB
The last I've found about Chandler is that he raced in ARS (Indy Lights) in 1988. He was attempting a comeback.
#28
Posted 28 June 2004 - 16:00
I can't find any trace of Pimm in ARS in 1988 - at least not in the statistics by Phil Harms at motorsport.com, so appearantly these are not complete....
#29
Posted 28 June 2004 - 22:48
Originally posted by theunions
Both Pimm and Chandler are supposedly alive and kicking. Mead died within days of Alan Kulwicki and thus was widely ignored by the US media.
Thanks. I must be getting mixed up with someone else, as I was thinking this has been in the last 5-6 yrs.
-jde
#30
Posted 23 April 2005 - 00:42
Originally posted by Rob Ryder
Here it is Pete..
(from Autocourse : CART - The First 20 Years)
Michael Chandler is driving the Ligier here
and not Kevin Cogan.
#31
Posted 23 April 2005 - 16:14
Indeed, the car was a royal piece of cr*p and self-disintagrated while running, while being utterly uncompetitive. The car briefly resided at the Gurney shops on South Broadway, and I remember seing Phil Remington shaking his head in utter silence... that was good enough to decide how good or bad the car was. Michael Chandler was a very good driver but could not do much with this converted turd. As far as Mike Curb, he was as straight as the Coupe des Alpes circuit. Not a fellow to entrust with your wallet, even empty.
Whatever happened to that assembly of recycled junk, it belongs to the bin.
#32
Posted 23 April 2005 - 21:32
#33
Posted 23 April 2005 - 22:28
I think I like it but I would need to see other pictures first
It will go fine with your Cadillac Cimarron.
#35
Posted 24 April 2005 - 08:03
Originally posted by T54
I was a personal witness of this incredible mess, on both sides of the Atlantic. Guy Ligier and his arrogant and pretentious crew actually believed that this car would "clean up the inferior US and Brit machines". Their team manager (can't or won't remember his name) was on the telephone with me as they were using me as a translator, and was incredibly arrogant and acting superior, very much like Jean Rondeau was.
Indeed, the car was a royal piece of cr*p and self-disintagrated while running, while being utterly uncompetitive. The car briefly resided at the Gurney shops on South Broadway, and I remember seing Phil Remington shaking his head in utter silence... that was good enough to decide how good or bad the car was. Michael Chandler was a very good driver but could not do much with this converted turd. As far as Mike Curb, he was as straight as the Coupe des Alpes circuit. Not a fellow to entrust with your wallet, even empty.
Whatever happened to that assembly of recycled junk, it belongs to the bin.
The cars also looks like a piece of crap. It certainly was worthless. Did have the legendary no.98 though!!
#36
Posted 24 April 2005 - 11:02
#37
Posted 05 December 2006 - 06:32
Originally posted by T54
Whatever happened to that assembly of recycled junk, it belongs to the bin.
Sorry to drag up an old thread, but I couldn't find this question answered anywhere. Is this it (in the last photo)?
http://www.mikecurb....eum.cfm?PAGE=03
I stumbled across the website of the "Curb Museum for Music and Motorsports" whilst I was searching for information on Kevin Cogan. It would have to be the real thing, wouldn't it? Why would anyone want to build a replica...
#38
Posted 05 December 2006 - 08:13
#39
Posted 05 December 2006 - 12:41
-jde
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Posted 05 December 2006 - 14:18
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#43
Posted 05 December 2006 - 18:25
Originally posted by jde
Where's the museum located? The site doesn't appear to make mention of such info...
I would suppose at the Curb Agajanian BGN team shop, though the team's site doesn't even mention specifically where that is (Mooresville?).
#44
Posted 05 December 2006 - 19:00
#45
Posted 06 December 2006 - 04:47
I had to do a little hunting, but apparently it's in Kannapolis, NC. This article explains what's happening with the current building and where it will be relocated. Scroll down just below halfway and look for the headline that states "Last Major Pillowtex Building is Now Making Way for Campus".Originally posted by jde
Where's the museum located? The site doesn't appear to make mention of such info...
-jde
#46
Posted 06 December 2006 - 13:30
Originally posted by T54
As far as Mike Curb, he was as straight as the Coupe des Alpes circuit. Not a fellow to entrust with your wallet, even empty.
There was a story of Mike Curb renting a fully furnished house in West LA to Ted Titmus a Formula Atlantic Team owner at the time, at some point these two got into some dispute over rent or racing and Ted had his lads from the race team take all the furnishings from the house and sold them. Which is not a big story except Mike Curb was Leutinant Governor of California at the time, Ted would later be in and out of jail on numerous charges, this event probably not helping his cause. "2 peas in a pod"
As far as the Ligier goes I remember being at Phoenix in 1984, talking to Michael Chandler who was having a hard time trying to talk to the Ligier boys about Tire stagger, cross weight and spring rates, not that the car ran long enough to make changes. Also Bruno Giacomelli was spending a lot of time talking to the Ligier boys, Bruno was running the 83 Theodore and like the Ligier was a DNQ.
#47
Posted 09 May 2020 - 17:45
Just out of curiosity the Ligier Indy project was labelled LC02 does any one know if there was / and what become of, LC01 ?
#48
Posted 09 May 2020 - 20:29
Just out of curiosity the Ligier Indy project was labelled LC02 does any one know if there was / and what become of, LC01 ?
I think that never existed. Ligier had the habit of using uneven numbers within their type registrations of F1 cars: JS5, JS7 etc.
Cars for other racing series had even numbers within their type registration. (Think about the JS2 Le Mans cars)
#49
Posted 10 May 2020 - 12:32
Thanks Henri
#50
Posted 10 May 2020 - 12:42
Thanks Henri
Beware, I'm not sure if my answer is the right one to be honest. But it is the best I can think about.
Maybe a true Ligier fan knows more on this?