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[MrAerodynamicist]

I have a CAD program, its not brilliants but its not too bad, called Pro/DESKTOP (its a littlebrother of a bigger CAD program Pro/ENGINEER). I just found out that you can download for free from the official site a SE version of the program with only few features disabled. Its a 36mb download from http://www.ptc.com/p...sktop/index.htm

Some examples from the formula Atlas thread in PC (unfortunately, one of the things missing from the SE version if the ability to photo-render!) (ps, it can do a lot better than this, I'm just not used to it yet!)

[Jezztor]

lol - awesome! is that for the alternative championship?

thanks for the link - always nice to have different proggie experience.

jezz

[MrAerodynamicist]

its for http://www.atlasf1.c...&threadid=35817

[AdamLarnachJr]

Hmm.. very slick, Im downloading it right now. One question though, is there agreement page a joke?

Case in point...
"2.)You are not listed on either the U.S. Department of Commerce's Entity List or Denied Persons List or the U.S. Department of Treasury's List of Specially Designated Nationals;

3.)You are not residing in or a national of CUBA, IRAN, IRAQ, LIBYA, NORTH KOREA, SERBIA, SUDAN, SYRIA, AND TALIBAN-CONTROLLED AREAS OF AFGHANISTAN;

4.)You will not use or divert for use, directly or indirectly, any PTC software or technical data relating thereto (a) in any nuclear related activity (civilian or military), (b) in the design, development, production, stockpiling or use of missiles, and/or © in the design, development, production, stockpiling or use of biological or chemical weapons;"

Personally I find it pretty hilarious that somebody would actually consider putting that on a site for a download. I mean honestly, who do you think is going to say there from that country and not be able to download it, unless the company has to cover its butt. But I figure the least we could do since we are denying these people food and resources is to give em a CAD program so they could engineer weapons of mass destruction.

[regenmeister]

Isn´t there quite a lot of hysteric warning labels in the U.S. On everything from rear viev mirrors to all kinds of electric equipment.

This is from the licence agreement of Winamp. Yes, the mp3 player.

8. HIGH RISK ACTIVITIES. The Product is not fault-tolerant and is not designed, manufactured or intended for use or resale as on-line control equipment in hazardous environments requiring fail-safe performance, such as in the operation of nuclear facilities, aircraft navigation or communication systems, air traffic control, direct life support machines, or weapons systems, in which the failure of the Product could lead directly to death, personal injury, or severe physical or environmental damage ("High Risk Activities"). Accordingly, Nullsoft and its suppliers specifically disclaim any express or implied warranty of fitness for High Risk Activities. Licensee agrees that Nullsoft and its suppliers will not be liable for any claims or damages arising from the use of the Product in such applications.

I can't imagine how you could use Winamp in a nuclear power plant or any of those above, maybe Nullsoft can...

[Wolf]

Adam- I hate to bring politics into this (BTW, I'm just downloading it), but for example, North Korea recieves the largest per capita humanitarian aid (aid comes from the West), but the govt (bloody criminals, I'd say) refuses humanitarian organisations to monitor the distribution of the aid and uses it for their army and party officials, while their people continue to starve...

[MrAerodynamicist]

oi, stop it you guys, this thread is meant for praising me for finding such a winderful discovery

[jetsetjim]

Pro/Desktop is a good start...

Much better when you get to use the full range of PTC's software.. Pro-Engineer, Pro Mechanica, etc... I use the full suite at work, and it's a fantastic product.

[Wolf]

Mr. A- just killing the time 'till I find just how good it is.;) Might be a looong wait with 4.8 kBps. :

BTW, while we're at it- does anyone need any freeware/shareware progs for stress analysis in carbon/glassfibre composites?

[MrAerodynamicist]

Originally posted by jetsetjim
Pro/Desktop is a good start...

Much better when you get to use the full range of PTC's software.. Pro-Engineer, Pro Mechanica, etc... I use the full suite at work, and it's a fantastic product.

If you're paying, then I'll have that along with AutoCAD, 3DStudio Max, etc

[jetsetjim]

Who mentioned anything about paying for it??

As for AutoCAD.. no thanks..... ok as a drafting package, but no use in modern 3D design.

[MrAerodynamicist]

well (a) I don't know anyone with a copy I can get it from (b) have you tried to downlad anything illegal off the net these days? Yuo'll downoad 20Gigs of pr0n banners before you get anywhere

If AutoCAD's no good, how about a copy of CATIA?

[jetsetjim]

Our copy isn't illegal..... we just have a deal with PTC.

Never used CATIA.... I know it is the industry standard, and most teams use it for its surfacing capabilities. Other than that there is not much difference between them.

[MrAerodynamicist]

unfortunately I don't personally have a deal with PTC so its either pay lots for ProEngineer or break the law. However, if there are any PTC employees reading this who would like to give me a free program deal then you can PM me

[remmosffej]

This is just a drawing program with no analysis tools, but can anyone say if the interface and commands are the same as those in the real PRO/E? If one were to become proficient with Pro/desktop would it be an easy transition to PRO/E?

I really don't understand why companies like PTC don't just give away limited student versions so people can learn to use their software. They make their money by licensing to corporations and companies that can afford to pay. The more people that can use their product the better off they are and the more licneses they can sell. The student version of PRO/E costs around $300. Thats just too expensive. Even if it weren't free but cost only $50 or $100 I would have bought it without thinking twice. Instead you have to hope that you have a friend who has a friend who has a friend that has a copy, or waste time scouring the newsgroups trying to find a warez-ed copy.

[Earthling]

Originally posted by Wolf
Mr. A- just killing the time 'till I find just how good it is.;) Might be a looong wait with 4.8 kBps. :

BTW, while we're at it- does anyone need any freeware/shareware progs for stress analysis in carbon/glassfibre composites?

Sure! What have you got? Can I calculate stresses for aluminum too?

I also need to look into getting the student version of Pro Eng/Mech... What features do they have disabled?

[F1Champion]

With this program can you import CAD drawings?

[MrAerodynamicist]

It can open: ProDESKTOP: *.des,dra,alb,ses. Designwave: *.cvp,cvd,cva,cvs, ProENGINEER: *.prt, and import: DXF,DWG, Parasolid Tramsitted File: *.xmt, IGES: *.igs

[Wolf]

Earthling, I don't think it would be much use for normal Al, since orthotrophy of it's properties is negligible. But all of the programs allow entering material properties, so one can use Al for core or normal layers, although I don't know if one can produce such laminate. Progs no. 1 and 3 have set of predefined materials, so it could come in handy; but no Al honeycombs and stuff...

1 CADEC (99.04.20) 2.54 MB - I recommend it
2 Laminator 331 kB
3 Lamcalc (1.1) 57 kB - excellent, esp. considering program's size

[MrAerodynamicist]

anyone actually actually download the program and used it? comments?

[AdamLarnachJr]

I downloaded, installed it and ran it. Seems pretty cool, I like their pre-render interface, very smooth on my computer. The GUI however is a bit odd to get used to, drag and drop type stuff is new for me in a CAD program. I'm used to using QuickCAD and Rhino (used to develop the Saleen S7), but I plan on going through the tutorials.

Thanks again man, this is great stuff.

[Wolf]

Unlike AutoCad, it can create oblique cylinders... But, I sure miss command prompt (the only proper way to go about CAD). : Will give it go, though- if naught, to fiddle with solids created from shapes made in AutoCAD. Thanx, MrA.

Did anyone try out any of 'my' programs?

[MrAerodynamicist]

I tried the top in in the sense I installed it but didn't actually sit and fiddle with it. However I did spot some stuff I'm just learning at the moment in one of my lectures so I might find it useful!

[z bleebox]

I have downloaded it and liked a lot!!. I am learning quicly and in fact I may have the opportunity of putting my hand on a copy of ProEng.

are interfaces more or less equal?; i want to know if what I am learning could be useful using the full version of ProEng.

[regenmeister]

I've tried Pro/Desktop but didn't like it very much, think it has too many flaws to be good, but it´s quite simple to learn snd probably quite good for that purpose.
I would guess it´s quite easy to learn ProEng. from PrdDesktop. That´s probably the reason tehy give it away for free, more people is familiar with their program and that could be an advantage against competitors.

I have the chance to run I-deas now and have access some literature on the program, but I would like to find some more tutorials on teh web. The same goes for Catia, a program that maybe isn´t that easy to learn. Is there any tutorials out there for these 2?

[Crazy Canuck]

i downloaded the software and am very happy with it! THNX MR.A

It's a big step up from AutoCADR14, which I have at home. At work I have Mech Desktop, Catia, and an unknown [but very very good] Italian CAD package called Think 3 - but the bloody IT guy's won't give me a copy!

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[FW11B]

Originally posted by jetsetjim
Who mentioned anything about paying for it??

As for AutoCAD.. no thanks..... ok as a drafting package, but no use in modern 3D design.

I think I may just have to dissagree with you there. Although my latest creation would to a certain extent seem to justify your comment....

What I'd really like is some sort of analysis programm for testing my creations....as if I'd ever get that