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#1 JDeRosa

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Posted 10 February 2002 - 13:59

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Initially, I went to Game here in the UK with some vouchers to buy a FF wheel. I was looking for the GT Force wheel (Gran Turismo Wheel) but they didn't have any left. The store managed to transfer 'A' force feedback wheel from a different shop and when I eventually went down there to collect it a few days later, to my surprise it was a Thrustmaster Ferrari wheel. I took it home anyway to give it a whirl and I found it to be quite good. However, it's not compatible with WRC at all, and you can't reconfigure the buttons for GT3, so you have to keep the Dual shock handy, which is a pain in the a$$. I decided to take the wheel back and order the Logitech one.

After some research, I found out that the GT force and the Driving Force are actually different functionally....the driving force has the PS2 controls mounted on the wheel!! I can't believe I hadn't noticed something so obvious. Anyway, I ordered the Driving Force through Amazon and I got it yesterday.........it's awesome!!!

Having tried both wheels in the span of 10 days, here's what I think of both:

The Thrustmaster was big. Aside from the paddles, it also had a sequential shifter on the right making the entire unit bigger. The locking mechanism is one big clamp which couldn't be clamped to my coffee table because the 'arm' of the clamp was too long to clamp onto the table edge and was too short to reach around the undertable frame (I hope that's not too confusing) so I had to use a 1' x 3' sheet of plywood to attach the wheel to and then place it onto the table. Major pain, I was lucky to have that bit of wood kicking around the house, otherwise I wouldn't have been able to use it. The part of the wheel that sits on the table has a couple of suction cup things to keep the wheel from twisting which worked well. I only got to use one game which was GT3. The force feedback was very good, very realistic, and translated the cars behaviours very well. The wheel has rubber grips which made my hands sweaty during play which was a bit annoying, so I had to keep wiping my palms on my legs during play. The pedals were very solid and the spring assembly was excellent. I tried it on carpet and had hardly no slipping. The fact that I had to keep using the dual shock to use the menus were a pain bacause some of the buttons worked on the menu and some didn't which is when I had to use the dual shock. The wheel came with a cd to install it onto a pc, I never bothered trying it on my pc but I'm sure that the wheel would be better suited for pc owners than ps2 owners.


The Drivng Force was much smaller. The unit uses two smaller clamps which fit perfectly on to my coffee table without the need for the plywood...what a relief!! The paddle shifters had much more travel than the TM, which made a click every time you depressed it, the DF didn't click, but that didn't bother me. The wheel has ALL the dual shock buttons nicely placed around the wheel including the 4 shoulder buttons, so you can leave the dual shock in the drawer. In game, the force feedback wasn't as strong as the TM and not as good, you don't always feel all the bumps like the TM, but it's only marginally not as good and certainly didn't detract from the experience. The logitech was actually easier to control than the TM making the experience more enjoyable. The grips are also rubber and didn't make my hands sweaty...bonus!! It was fully compatible with WRC which was great. The pedals were also as good as the TM's, only with a cooler drilled pedal look. The Driving Force also comes with a 'lap attachment' which surprisingly suts between your knees....it works, but if you have a table than use the table. It's a bit awkward to turn the wheel while trying to keep your legs straight while your feet are working the pedals, and if you're some who moves their arms across the room when you 'turn right' than this might seem a bit weird. :lol:

If buying a wheel for the PS2, I highly recommend the Logitech simply because of versatility. The force feedback is not as strong, but the feel, the controls, the set up, and the game compatability make it the clear winner for me. Marks out of ten for the PS2 are:

Logitech 9/10
Thrustmaster 6/10

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#2 911

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Posted 10 February 2002 - 17:34

Quite honestly, the Driving Force was the "only" wheel that I've used for F12001, but I really like it. Although I still don't use the pedals (they move around too much), I like the feel of the wheel and it makes the game play a lot more enjoyable.

The wheel does feel a lot better (Force Feedback) w/ Gran Turismo 3, but it still works well with F12001.

The only question is how do I get the paddle shifters to work with F12001? Any help would be appreciated! Thanks.

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Posted 11 February 2002 - 12:12

I also bought a LWFF few days ago as the sales come (it costs about US$70). But I have problems to play it in GP3. After I use the wheel I cant use the "P" key to pause the game.

So how can it be fixed and furthermore, can I map the pause function onto one of the custom buttons on the wheel ? Thx in advance :lol: :lol: :lol:

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#4 Daveofoz

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Posted 14 February 2002 - 07:15

My wife bought me the Logitech Driving Force wheel late last year. I know, I know - fantastic aint she!!! I found the lap attachment pretty impractical as well - for the same reasons...

I find the best way to get the most enjoyment from the experience is to set the whole thing up on our dining table. This works really well, however at best is only ever temporary for the obvious reasons: strangely, the very same (fantastic) wife that bought me the wheel to enjoy, isn't so fantastic when it comes to having the dining table rendered useless to anything of a culinary nature by the presence of the TV, PS2 console, and steering wheel/pedals/cables parafanalia, so I can only ever set it all up for short bursts.

One thing that really peeved me was that the salesman that sold my wife the unit told her that it would work on my PC - she knows about my former GP2 and 3 addictions. The reality is that it does in fact work on my PC (USB connection and windows recognised the wheel) however the force feedback didn't work at all. After spending ages online - at the Logitech website and various other sites - I eventually contacted Logitech to see if they had any PC drivers (no CD came in the box) and I eventually had a (somehow sub-contracted and more than slightly disinterested) technical bloke call me back and explain to me that this wheel was in fact essentially 'commissioned' by Sony, and that for any drivers I would have to find out from them. I tried using the line of reasoning that went something like: well, it says Logitech on the box, why won't Logitech be providing PC driver support for it? - but didn't get real far.

Anyway, I rekon it's a great toy and would certainly recommend it.

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#5 JDeRosa

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Posted 14 February 2002 - 09:09

Hi D,

That really annoys me when salespeople talk absolute s**t. Anyway, I hear what you're saying about the other half and the furniture rearrangement. I normally wait till she goes to bed so I can have as long as I want on it, of course, that does have it's disadvantages...going to bed a 2 am when I've got work in the morning probably isn't ideal.

Anyway, here's to winning the lottery, buying a bigger house with a games room with a racing sims bucket seat unit with FF wheel adaptor and widescreen TV with dolby digital cinema sound set up. Ohh, better make that two PS2 set ups so we can i-Link play with our mates!!! :up:

#6 Daveofoz

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Posted 14 February 2002 - 09:20

Jeez Mate!!! I think we should prolly move in together and let the girls figure something out for themselves.... :kiss: you just described my dreamhouse :p
OT: BTW Primus are one of my fav. bands seen them many times. Have you heard any of the Oysterhead stuff?

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Posted 14 February 2002 - 09:32

:rotfl:

Wouldn't that be awesome???? I do really like Primus, all I have is the '....seas of cheese' album and it's so good. They are one of the most unique bands...Claypool is a genius!!

BTW - escapism, that's what keeps us boys in check......music, games, and fast cars. :up:

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Posted 15 February 2002 - 01:45

Originally posted by Daveofoz
Jeez Mate!!! I think we should prolly move in together and let the girls figure something out for themselves.... :kiss: you just described my dreamhouse :p
OT: BTW Primus are one of my fav. bands seen them many times. Have you heard any of the Oysterhead stuff?


Daveofoz & JD,

Hey, I think all three of us should move in! I have to do the exact same thing when I'm playing the PS2 (wait 'til everyone goes to sleep). I've had plenty of nights when I've gone to bed at 2-3am.

Now that we've recently moved, the PS2 is in my son's room. So, now I can play more frequently. :)


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#9 JDeRosa

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Posted 15 February 2002 - 09:53

Originally posted by 911


Daveofoz & JD,

Hey, I think all three of us should move in! I have to do the exact same thing when I'm playing the PS2 (wait 'til everyone goes to sleep). I've had plenty of nights when I've gone to bed at 2-3am.

Now that we've recently moved, the PS2 is in my son's room. So, now I can play more frequently. :)


911



:lol:

BTW - nice move with the strategic placing of the PS2...when I have kids, I'll make sure to kit 'him' out nicely. :cool:

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Posted 12 April 2002 - 14:02

I've never used a "real" force feedback wheel and was wondering how well (if at all) they simulate (in GT3) :

a) aligning-torque / self-centering of the wheel in a corner. Can you let the wheel slide through your fingers to reach the center on its own as you power out of a corner?

b) lightening of the steering as the front wheels lose grip

c) heavier steering at slow speed

d) "lock-to-lock" of several wheel turns (on non-racing cars)


Also are your lap times better with a force feedback wheel than with the dual shock?

Thanks!

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Posted 12 April 2002 - 14:21

I also have logitech DF wheel, and i havent been able to make the shifting paddles work for F1 2001. do you guys have the same problem? any clues how to make it work?

#12 JDeRosa

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Posted 13 April 2002 - 19:07

Originally posted by bigbrickz
I've never used a "real" force feedback wheel and was wondering how well (if at all) they simulate (in GT3) :

a) aligning-torque / self-centering of the wheel in a corner. Can you let the wheel slide through your fingers to reach the center on its own as you power out of a corner?

b) lightening of the steering as the front wheels lose grip

c) heavier steering at slow speed

d) "lock-to-lock" of several wheel turns (on non-racing cars)


Also are your lap times better with a force feedback wheel than with the dual shock?

Thanks!


Hi bigbrickz, hope this helps:

a) you can't actually just let it go, but the steering does lighten when straightening

b) very effective. understeer is very common in GT3 as I'm sure you know, and it translates well through the force feedback.

c) don't know about heavier as such, but turning circle widens

d) of the two I've tried, full lock is about 100 degrees either left or right.


I hope this helps, kinda hard to remember these things when you're not playing. And yep... my lap times did improve with the wheel. If you want my opinion, buy one, if you've got a table you can use it with, then it's worth it. :wave:

#13 bigbrickz

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Posted 14 April 2002 - 21:21

Thanks a heap JDeRosa, this gives me a much better idea of what to expect. I was thinking of buying one soon after getting my PS2 but I've been really impressed with the control the pressure sensitive dualshock buttons give and have put it off so far.

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Posted 15 April 2002 - 10:00

Will the Logitech FF Wheel work on the Xbox. Just thinking ahead. Have PS2, want wheel, but may get Xbox in the future.

Would be interested to know,

Mike.

#15 JDeRosa

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Posted 15 April 2002 - 12:21

no problem bigbrickz. :wave:


mljsmith - I'm not sure if it'll work, I thought the X-box doesn't use USB?

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Posted 15 April 2002 - 15:47

Thanks,

I just assumed it did support USB.

Thanks anyway.

Mike.