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[quintin cloud]

Hi All

I was looking at the 6th Gear page and I saw a race that I have known about been the 1980 Australian GP which was raced on the 17th November at Calder Park inwhich Alan Jones won with a Williams FW07B-Cosworth, The qusetions I have is :

1: Can someone help me with a Entry list and full result
2: How laps was the race/GP raced over
3: What is the track length of Calder Park
4: Any interesting facts about the race/GP

Thanks

[Darren Galpin]

Look at http://www.atlasf1.c...lian Grand Prix to start with

[quintin cloud]

Darren the link only makes note of the following:

Originally posted by Graham Clayton
While looking up the results of the 1980 Australian Grand Prix in the excellent 50 year history of the AGP book, I came across something that I had not noticed before.

There were THREE different formulas represented in the
race:

1. Formula 1

Alan Jones - Williams FW07 Cosworth V-8
Bruno Giacomelli - Alfa Romeo 179 V-12

2. Formula 5000 (21 in all)

3. Formula Pacific/Mondial (3 in all)

Who are the other 24 drivers and cars ?

[Catalina Park]

I have the programme for the meeting (The first interstate meeting that I went to) This is the entry list in the programme.

SUNDAY, 16th NOVEMBER, 1980

Event 24:1980 Australian Grand Prix - Formula One (95 laps)

Starters - 16 fastest qualifiers plus four cars at the discretion of organisers for F1.

No. Entrant and Driver Car
3 Chas. Talbot, Chas Talbot Lola 5000 cc
4 Lee Seeton, Jon Davison Lola 332 5000
5 P. Middleton, Chris Middleton Elfin MR8C 5000
6 Porsche Distributors, Vern Schuppan Tiger CA80 5000
7 McCormack Unipart Racing, John McCormack McLaren M23 4940
8 lan Adams, Ian Adams Lola T330 4995
9 Giacomo Agostini. (Italy) F1 Williams
10 Hahndorf Motor Museum, Rob Butcher Lola T332 5000
11 Ansett Team Elfin, John Bowe Elfin MR8 4998
12 Ansett Team Elfin, T.B.N. Elfin MR9 4998
13 A. R. Nitschke, Allan Roy Nitschke Begg FM5 5000
15 Terry Hook, Terry Hook Lola T332C 5000
17 Mel MeEwin, Mel MeEwin Matich Repco 4998
18 Jim Lowe, Jim Lowe. Chevron B28 4992
19 Russell Davidson, Russell Davidson March 5000
21 P. J. Edwards, Peter John Edwards Lola T332 5000
23 BrunoGiacomelli (Italy) Alfa Romeo
27 Alan Jones, Alan Jones F1 Williams
33 Tim Slako, Tim Slako Elfin MR6 5000
34 John Siliman Power Tools,Col Trengove Lola T332 4998
38 Ivan Tighe, Ivan Tighe Chevron B37 5000
48 Ray Hanger, Ray Hanger March 1598
71 John Smith, John Smith Ralt 1598
76 John Wright, John Wright Lola T400 5000
77 Peter Williamson Pty. Ltd., Peter Williamson Galloway Toyota 1990
84 Porsche Distributors, Vern Schuppan McLaren M26 5000
85 Porsche Distributors, Alfredo Costanzo Lola T430 5000
16 Barry Singleton, Barry Singleton Gardos 5000

And now I will add what I can from memory.
Number 6, Tiga CA80 I don't think this car was ever built?
Number 7, McLaren M23 John McCormack had a very bad car accident on his way to the AGP and maybe the car was driven by Colin Bond (I know Colin drove John's other car in a support race)
Number 9 Williams FW 06 Giacomo Agostini did not arrive
Number 11, Elfin MR8 I think this was the car driven by Dider Pironi to third place
Number 12 Elfin MR9 (Ground effect car) was driven by Garry Cooper (the owner constructor)
Number 84 Mclaren M26, I don't think was finished in time?
The race was won by Alan Jones
Second was Bruno Giocomelli (Who signed my programme!)
Third was Didier Pironi

[Ray Bell]

Pironi drove Peter Middleton's car...

McCormack's car never turned up due to that road accident.

Note the date was 16.11, not 17.11

Grid was:
Jones, 36.1
Giacomelli 36.3
Costanzo 37.9
Wright 38.8
Davison 39.7
Butcher 40.0
Talbot 40.0
Pironi 40.2
Bowe 40.5
McEwin 40.8 (note spelling)
Edwards 41.1
Smith 41.4
Tighe 41.6
Slako 42.0
Adams 42.0 (how did he do that?)
Singleton 42.2
Trengove 42.3
Williamson 42.6
Hanger 43.5
Cooper (no time)

Hanger didn't start... retirements:

Smith 1 lap
Singleton 6 laps
Slako 17 laps
Williamson 27 laps
McEwin 33 laps
Adams 60 laps
Davison 68 laps
Wright 70 laps

[quintin cloud]

Catalina Park thanks for enrty list

Ray thanks for the grid and retirements

question about the some car data:

Giacomo Agostini F1 Williams (is it the FW07B ?)

Ray do you have any idea on why the drivers retired and finishers ?

[Catalina Park]

Ray I knew you would come good!!
Agostini was supposed to be in a Willians FW06
Track length 1 mile (about here to the fridge and back)

[quintin cloud]

I have looked at Darren's page at the track data:
http://www.silhouet....cks/calder.html

Now inwhich track config. was used:

Full race track at 2.620 miles (4.416 km)
long road course at 1.417 miles (2.280km)
short road course at 1.000 mile (1.609 km)
of course it will not be the 1.140 mile config. (1.834 km)

[quintin cloud]

Catalina Park you were just a bit to quick on the reply ;) but thanks for the track data

[Vitesse2]

Agostini in the FW06 at Imola, 1979, chased by Pironi's McLaren:

[FEV]

I'm sure you ment Tambay's mcLaren Richard ;) ! Nice pic anyway, thanks !

[Ray Bell]

Originally posted by Catalina Park
Ray I knew you would come good!!
Agostini was supposed to be in a Williams FW06
Track length 1 mile (about here to the fridge and back)

That variant of the Calder layout was exactly a mile... or so it is said...

Ago never made it, not at all.

The retirements are listed, finishers were:
(haven't I done this on the 'Australian Grand Prix in former times thread'?)

1. Jones 1h 00:16.4
2. Giacomelli 94 laps
3. Pironi 91 laps
4. Costanzo 90 laps
5. Talbot 87 laps
6. Butcher 85 laps
7. Cooper 85 laps
8. Trengove 84 laps
9. Edwards 84 laps
10. Tighe 83 laps
11. Bowe 79 laps

Fastest Lap: Jones, 36.9 (157kmh) Race average: 152.2kmh

[Vitesse2]

Originally posted by FEV
I'm sure you ment Tambay's mcLaren Richard ;) ! Nice pic anyway, thanks !

Bugger!!

Good thing I didn't say it was Pironi in the 8W answer! That's where the picture is from - 8W Summer 2001 game!

[Catalina Park]

I will have to go through the photos that I took at the meeting and scan some, it was the first time that I had taken a camera to a race meeting and I shot off about 6 rolls of film!
I was 17 and my brother and I drove down from near Sydney to watch the race in his ex Highway Patrol Valiant Charger during a petrol strike!

[Ray Bell]

Snaps in the pits or on the track with a telephoto lens?

Any of the balloons bursting?

[quintin cloud]

Excellent Thanks Ray,

[Ray Bell]

You too could own an AGP book... it's pretty easy...

[Catalina Park]

I have just been thru the photos and I have found about half of them (ex wife syndrome) just some snaps in the pits, half a dozen of the Alfa, one of the Williams, one of Alfie's Lola and a couple of sports sedans (and some bad photos of girls in shorts!) I don't know what happened to all the Elfin MR9 photos that I took and the rest of the Lolas (blame ex wife)
Just my first attempts of motor racing photos with a 30 year old Zeiss Ikon camera.
Now all I have to do is scan them and con someone into putting them up on the net!

[Allen Brown]

Catalina

I'll put them on the 'net for you. I'm particularly interested in the picture of Alfie's Lola (and any other F5000 pictures from Aus).

You can send them to allen@oldracingcars.com.

Allen

[Ray Bell]

But then who will post the pics of the gorls in shorts...??

[Allen Brown]

I'm even more interested in those!

[quintin cloud]

Originally posted by Ray Bell
You too could own an AGP book... it's pretty easy...

how and where ??

[Catalina Park]

http://www.abebooks.com/ have a listing for the "The official 50 race history of the Australian Grand Prix" hurry up and get one!!

[Rainer Nyberg]

[Allen Brown]

Good man Rainer.

I'll post Catalina's pictures when I get home but I left my PC upgrading itself to Windows XP so who knows what I'll come home to. It's probably a sandwich maker by now.

Allen

[Catalina Park]

Try Windows RG It is well worth the upgrade!

[Allen Brown]

Excellent spoof. That's pretty much what my sandwich maker is now doing.

Actually, everything works except the email package which means I can't get at those photos. I'll have to reinstall Microsoft Office. Why did I ever start this?!

You're going to start wishing I'd never offered to host those pictures. Barry would probably have got them up and running days ago.

Sorry

Allen

[Allen Brown]

Right, here we go (better late than never). Here are Catalina Park's pictures

[David McKinney]

Is that the first picture of a Galloway ever to appear on the WWW?

[Ray Bell]

Originally posted by David McKinney
Is that the first picture of a Galloway ever to appear on the WWW?

Not sure... probably not, and it's definitely not the first Galloway, a much more interesting looking car than this one.

I'm more touched by the irony of the utility behind Butcher's T332... knowing what I now do about old Bill.