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#1 karlth

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Posted 20 February 2002 - 14:29

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This is a story about a racing driver who in spite of his lack of speed managed to hustle his way
into 7 different Formula 1 teams. A driver who produced some of the worst performances of
modern times in Formula 1 but nevertheless managed to get himself signed by the richest car
manufacturer in world and spearhead their challenge into the toughest motorsport series in the
world.

This is the story of Mika Salo.


In 1994 a new star in the making burst onto the Formula 1 scene. Lotus hired a young Finnish
driver from the Japanese F3000 series to drive in the final two races of the season. This young
charger who's name was Mika Salo had struggled in the Japanese F3000 series for a few years
mostly due to uncompetitive tyres but was moving up the grid when the call came from Lotus.

The press release from Lotus though mentioned his 1991 season in F3 as a deciding factor in
opting for Salo, but the Finn had lost that year's championship by a few points to his countryman
and McLaren driver Mika Hakkinen.

On the 6th of November 1994 Mika Salo took to the grid for the first time in Suzuka Japan. His
experience at the circuit didn't seem to help him much though as he was outqualified by teammate
Alex Zanardi by more than 2 seconds. The race was on the other hand a different story and Salo
displayed a quality which soon proved to be his hallmark in F1. In atrocious conditions Salo
trundled on and finished a respectable 10th without spinning once, never fast but a consistent
finisher.

One week later the F1 circus moved to Adelaide Australia for the final round of the championship.
Mika Salo unfortunately was unable finish the race and after being outqualified by 1.5s by Zanardi
again he retired on lap 41 with a dead battery.

In spite of being in his rookie season Salo's legendary performances in 1994 can at best be called
average, especially at Suzuka. By comparison the same year as Salo made his debut another
driver from the Japanese F3000 series Heinz-Harald Frentzen managed to outqualify a highly rated
and experienced teammate Karl Wendlinger in his first race for Sauber.

Salo joins Tyrrel

For some reason though Mika Salo became a hot property in Formula 1 after these two mediocre
drives.

How much of the interest was due to Finnish Telecom giant Nokia showing signs of entering F1 is
perhaps unknown but with much pomp and circumstance Mika Salo signed for the Nokia - Tyrrel
team.

Roll on the 1995 season and Mika Salo, partnered with Ukyo Katayama, was immediately
outqualified at the first race in Interlagos, Brazil. No worry though as Salo did what he does best
and managed to finish the Grand Prix although two laps down while Katayama spun of early.

For the rest of the season Mika Salo took charge. Regularly outqualifying Katayama and often with
a considerable margin Salo was considered by many to be the next big thing. There was only one
problem, Katayama wasn't very good.

Japanese driver Ukyo Katayama was one of the finds of the 1994 season, especially displaying
very impressive speeds in qualifying. What happened in 1995 was that a F1 regulation was
changed. Until then a driver's weight had not been calculated in the minimum weight of the car,
and Katayama being a very light enjoyed an advantage of more than 0.4 second a lap compared
to his then teammate Mark Blundell. After the regulation change Katayama's pace dropped. So
much in fact that in 1997 he was often outqualified by rookie Jarno Trulli by more than a second.

Katayama probably wasn't helped either by a nasty side to Salo’s character which showed itself
during their seasons together as teammates. Salo having publicly said before the 1996 season
that it was necessary to undermine the confidence of a teammate took every opportunity to
humiliate his weak teammate.

Katayama's birthday cake, given to him by Tyrrel team members, was plastered over his face by
Salo in front the Japanese press and in an interview Salo said that if he for example saw Ukyo with
an ice cream in his hand he would bump into him to get the ice cream onto his face or into his
clothes. Acts that when performed against strong confident drivers like Berger and Senna were
innocent pranks but seemed more sinister when used against a driver who was suffering through
a very bad season.

During the 1995 and 1996 season Mika Salo continued to bask in the sunlight of dominating
Katayama. There was even talk that he would join Schumacher at Ferrari when Ecclestone took
over as the Finns manager for a while. Again though it was thought that main motive for
Ecclestone pressing Salo into the spotlight was not his driving skills but rather his Nokia
connections, it even being rumoured at one point that Nokia might become Formula 1's brand
sponsor.

Stronger teammates

The 1997 and 1998 seasons weren't as successful as the previous seasons for the Finnish driver.
In 1997 when teamed against Schumacher's former teammate Jos Verstappen he encountered
stiffer opposition. The Dutch driver's strong personality ensured that he could not be intimidated
like Salo's former teammate and by the end of the year the two drivers seemed evenly matched.

Although Mika Salo's reputation took a bit of a pounding in 1997 he was still convinced of his own
ability I know I'm better than any of them and signed for the Arrows team in 1998.

The Arrows team looked in 1997 to be a team on the rise. Damon Hill had managed to qualify in
4th place at the last Grand Prix of the season and much was promised for 1998. Salo's teammate
was pay driver Pedro Diniz who had proved himself a good driver on occasion by running Damon
Hill close in several Grand Prix.

Salo was in for a rude shock during that season. Even though more often than not he managed to
outpace Diniz usually there was not much of a performance gap between them. To Arrow's
principal Tom Walkinshaw the difference was that Diniz brought $10 million dollars into the team's
coffers while Salo was paid handsomely.

So in 1999 it seemed like Mika Salo's career as a Formula 1 driver had come to an end. Arrows
desperately needed cash and Salo had proved himself to be very poor value for money. In testing
young and upcoming testdrivers De La Rosa and Takagi proved themselves just as quick so in the
end Salo's contract was not renewed.

In a normal world the book on Mika Salo's F1 career should have been closed, but with the help of
three teams with more money than sense his career was resurrected.

The backup driver

In 1999 perhaps through the influence of his friend Villeneuve, Salo was signed to replace the
injured Ricardo Zonta. Salo's results in the 3 races he drove for BAR were not helped by
considerable problems he had in practice and sometimes qualifying due to unreliability of the car
but that does not excuse how far he was off Villeneuve's pace. It is perhaps astounding that a
driver of Salo's experience could be so slow but the statistics don't lie. At Imola Salo qualified
more than 2 seconds and 14 places! behind his teammate.

Next up was Monaco and there amazingly Salo was only 0.4s and 4 places behind Villeneuve.
Monaco has never one of been Jacques Villeneuve favourite circuits but it is probably Salo's best.
Normality was though restored in his last Grand Prix for BAR when Salo's best lap in qualifying was
only good enough for 16th place while Villeneuve started 10 places and 1 second in front.

Mika Salo's races with BAR were a failure. His qualifying performance was awful and his speed in
the races was not a lot better. The only reason some people could think of why he managed twice
to drag the very unreliable BAR to the finish line was that he drove slowly enough.

For some still unknown reason Mika Salo was hired to replace Michael Schumacher at Ferrari after
Schumacher got sidelined after his accident at Silverstone. Perhaps Ferrari needed a driver that
would bring Ferrari some points but not challenge Irvine, whatever the reason Salo had at the
1999 Austrian GP become a Ferrari driver.

Salo's highlights while driving for Ferrari were without a doubt his podiums at Hockenheim and
Monza. His highly publicized gift to Irvine in Germany resulted many fans screaming for his return
to Ferrari in 2000. Salo though, probably aware of his limitations, said at that point that he'd
better sign a contract for next year before the Hungarian Grand Prix in case he would flop there.
And flop he did.

Mika Salo's drive in the champion contending Ferrari at the Hungaroring in 1999 must be all
accounts rank as the worst performance by an experienced driver in recent times. Without any
reliability problems Salo qualified a massive 2 seconds behind Eddie Irvine. In a car that was in
the hands of Irvine and Schumacher in contention for race wins he qualified one place ahead of a
Minardi and finished the race in 12th having been lapped twice by both the race winner and his
teammate.

Salo's pace at that Grand Prix cannot be blamed on a lack of motivation or poor weather
conditions. He was simply very slow, so slow in fact that he felt the need to apologize for it by
saying that he had let the team down.

Sauber to the rescue

Prior to the Hungarian GP Mika Salo signed a two-year deal with Peter Sauber. He was partnered
with his old teammate Pedro Diniz who brought much needed financing into the Swiss team.

Like at Arrows two years earlier Salo was unable to show that he was much faster than the
Brazilian paydriver. Diniz outqualified him regularly, but as before Salo earned his reputation for
bringing the car home, although slowly.

Near the end of the season it was announced that Salo had signed a 3-year deal with Toyota
thought to be worth $5 million a year. According to some rumours Peter Sauber unimpressed with
his performance had sold Salo's 2001 contract to Toyota for an undisclosed sum while others said
that Salo's contract had included a performance clause which the Swiss team had failed to honour.

The reasons for Toyota opting for Mika Salo were probably that he is considered a good test
driver. Toyota of course needed to build a car from scratch and feedback from an experienced
Formula 1 driver was necessary. What is difficult to understand is that Toyota who is pouring
hundreds of millions of dollars into the F1 program should have chosen Mika Salo as their race
driver as well. What good is if the Toyota engine proves to be 0.2s a lap faster than Honda's?
Villeneuve and Fisichella are driving for Honda and they are much faster than Salo will ever
be. That Toyota with all its resources didn't sign a top Formula 1 driver for their first season
instead of the slow Finn will cost Toyota dearly this season.

And that is my opinon.

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#2 Brian O Flaherty

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Posted 20 February 2002 - 14:48

Excellent post :up: It's harsh but true. I was always wondering why Hakk didn't get on with Salo, and that insight into Salo's personality might be the answer. I'd like to see McNish beat him this season :)

#3 Ghostrider

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Posted 20 February 2002 - 15:02

First Sato, now Salo! You are on the attack Karlth!! :)

#4 alain

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Posted 20 February 2002 - 15:12

A very good post.

#5 HSJ

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Posted 20 February 2002 - 15:13

Talking about getting more than deserved, why don't you, karlth, make an analysis of EI? I mean, 4 races won... If EI and Salo were teammates, EI would lose. Maybe not by a huge margin, but he would lose.

Oh and how did Mr. Benchmark do against this slow Mika?

1988, FFord:

Salo 14/14 wins
M$ 0/14 wins

:wave:

P.S. I don't rate Salo all that highly, but to say he is so little deserving when we have the likes of EI around is just too thick. Salo did struggle in Japan, but his overall career before F1 was still better than EI's.

#6 F1Johnny

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Posted 20 February 2002 - 15:15

The press release from Lotus though mentioned his 1991 season in F3 as a deciding factor in



Just a correction. Mika Hakkinen won the F3 Championship in 1990 and started F1 in 1991.

#7 Yelnats

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Posted 20 February 2002 - 15:21

A stunning indictment of a periphial F1 driver. I also was surprised by Salo's lack of pace when he joined BAR and wondered if it could be more attributed to Jacques speed than Mika's slowness as Jacques did something similar to Fenzen when they partnered at Williams. But Panis's excellent performance at BAR has proven that it is possible to match Jacques on the same team so this adds weight to your theory.

An Excellent article and worthy of AtlasF1 front page publication!

#8 Scoop

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Posted 20 February 2002 - 15:21

Originally posted by Ghostrider
First Sato, now Salo! You are on the attack Karlth!! :)


so it wasn't the japanese afterall... its the S>A>_>O !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:rotfl:

#9 Scoop

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Posted 20 February 2002 - 15:21

before anyone interprets it as a racial remark.. i was kidding! :p

#10 BRG

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Posted 20 February 2002 - 15:26

I have never rated Salo, either as a driver or as a person, so this post from karlth comes as no surprise. I agree with Brian's - harsh but true.

#11 The Kanisteri

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Posted 20 February 2002 - 15:28

It is very easy to underestimate drivers which never had competitive car under ass.
(I don't count Ferrari as one, because Salo was only substitute driver and didn't have opportunity to know that car better)
Mika Salo ain't the only one. The list is endless.

I wonder IF $chummys career would have taken the way to Minardi instead of Jordan or Benetton, would he have the reputation, he currently have? - I think no. :

Sad but treu.

#12 Garagiste

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Posted 20 February 2002 - 15:38

Karlth takes no prisoners!
It's difficult to argue against you well made points, particularly his performance relative to his team-mates. However the fact the first ever time he raced in a decent car he would have won, were it not for the politics of the Poncing Horse, suggests he's a bit better than he's painted here.

(Plus he gave me a nod and wave once where seconds earlier all I got from MS was a scowl - I don't think he's that bad an egg). :)

#13 HelsinkiGP

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Posted 20 February 2002 - 15:42

Highlights of Mika Salo's F1 career have been so far during the few Ferrari weeks.
The car designed according to Italian Standard Ape's measurements and tractor engineering
culture was not the easiest to deal with but on high speed circuits Mika did some good
perfromances.

Second best performance from Mika has been the ability to continue the career and now
in team that has the biggest power of them all. There are always Pedro Daddy Pays
lookalikes available but still this kind of mid-field driver also earns from his profession.

Toyota knows that it will take few years to get to the top but it's underestimation of
their team management skills to say that they have wrong test driver pair.

And I really like to see their performance against Big-Mouth Irvine already this season.

We are living interesting times.

Good luck Mika, hopefully your team has some hidden speedparts and you will show to all,
as Kimi Räikkönen did last year in Australia.

#14 logic

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Posted 20 February 2002 - 15:44

Originally posted by Ghostrider
First Sato, now Salo! You are on the attack Karlth!! :)


Frenzen next? There is no sense!

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Posted 20 February 2002 - 15:45

Originally posted by HelsinkiGP
Highlights of Mika Salo's F1 career have been so far during the few Ferrari weeks.
The car designed according to Italian Standard Ape's measurements and tractor engineering
culture


Oh good. Another classy Finn on the board. :rolleyes:

#16 DOHC

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Posted 20 February 2002 - 15:50

Great research work, karlth! :up:

#17 JPMCrew

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Posted 20 February 2002 - 15:54

Originally posted by The Kanisteri

I wonder IF $chummys career would have taken the way to Minardi instead of Jordan or Benetton, would he have the reputation, he currently have? - I think no. :

Sad but treu.


The thing is, Schumacher's career turned out the way it did because of his intrinsic value, so this hypothetical question has no point at all.

#18 The Kanisteri

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Posted 20 February 2002 - 15:58

Originally posted by JPMCrew


The thing is, Schumacher's career turned out the way it did because of his intrinsic value, so this hypothetical question has no point at all.


Bah humbugh!

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Posted 20 February 2002 - 16:01

Salo has never paid for his drive, he has been driving
in multiply teams which actually paid him for driving
their car. If he really is so bad as this topic suggest,
then team managers must be really stupid.
One team, even two different teams could hire the driver
who is worth nothing in terms of skills and doesnt bring
any cash in... but when the same driver has been paid
millions of dollars for driving in seven different teams
there must be some other reason than slow driving and
rude, mannerless personality.

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#20 HelsinkiGP

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Posted 20 February 2002 - 16:08

Have you tested a FIAT lately?

Check out also this informative site: http://www.ferrari-t...rs.com/70'S.htm

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Posted 20 February 2002 - 16:11

Originally posted by karlth

Mika Salo's drive in the champion contending Ferrari at the Hungaroring in 1999 must be all
accounts rank as the worst performance by an experienced driver in recent times. Without any
reliability problems Salo qualified a massive 2 seconds behind Eddie Irvine. In a car that was in
the hands of Irvine and Schumacher in contention for race wins he qualified one place ahead of a
Minardi and finished the race in 12th having been lapped twice by both the race winner and his
teammate.

Salo's pace at that Grand Prix cannot be blamed on a lack of motivation or poor weather
conditions. He was simply very slow, so slow in fact that he felt the need to apologize for it by
saying that he had let the team down.


Bit harsh.
His lack of pace their was because of his lack of familiarity of the ferrair on such a technical circuit like hungary.
Either way it was a poor performance.
Although villeneuves performance at indy last year rivals it.


Originally posted by karlth

What good is if the Toyota engine proves to be 0.2s a lap faster than Honda's?
Villeneuve and Fisichella are driving for Honda and they are much faster than Salo will ever
be.

I doubt those two are much faster than salo,although they are faster.

I dont think salo is that slow.
At least he wasnt the finn that was outpaced by johney herbert for two consecutive seasons :lol:

#22 speedy

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Posted 20 February 2002 - 17:01

Karlth,

once again you have taken time to write a long post - this time I don't say that it is well thought because there is something I strongly disagree. I'm not saying that Mika Salo is the fastest thing on earth, but reading your post suggests that he is a real loser. If we were to think in a similar way, the greatest deal of current drivers should be put to the same category - just think of HHF who managed just how many wins the dominant Williams, Coulthard who has driven nothing but competetive cars year in year out, yet the results are quite modest in terms of race wins. Fisichella, many ppl think highly of him, but what has he really achieved ? Eddie Irvine, Rubinho, Trulli etc. Your post puts the team bosses in a very strange light, as if they knew nothing of racing, yet Salo has been in 7 F1 teams. Do you really believe they are so stupid. I don't.

Guess it is much more difficult to write something positive than negative about a driver considering the amount of bashing threads.

#23 lateralforce

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Posted 20 February 2002 - 17:04

Takuma Salto and Mika Salto grew up together you know.

#24 BRG

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Posted 20 February 2002 - 17:19

How about a few facts, just to cloud the issue :-

Salo, Mika Juhani (SF)b 30/11/1966 (Helsinki)

Start racing career: at the age of 11 in 100cc karts
First racing car: Formula Ford
1987 - Scandinavian & Finnish FF1600, 2nd in both championships.
1988 - Finnish, Scandinavian & European FF1600 Champion
1989 - British F3, 14th
1990 - British F3, 2nd, 6 wins
1991 - Japanese F3000, 22nd
1992 - Japanese F3000, 15th
1993 - Japanese F3000, 17th, 1 point:
1994 - Japanese F3000, J7th, 6 pts
F1 - 2 races (Lotus), 0 points
1995 - 17 races (Tyrrell), 5 points, 5th.
1996 - F1 (Tyrrell Yamaha 024), 13th, 5 points
1997 - F1 (Tyrrell-Ford 025), J16th, 2 pts
1998 - F1 (Arrows A19), J13th, 3 pts.
1999 - F1 10th, 10 pts. (BAR-Supertec 01), 3 races (Ferrari F399) 6 races
2000 - F1 (Sauber-Petronas C19): J10th, 6 pts
2001 - Toyota F1 testing

That's not a stunning CV. No championship wins (although a close 2nd in F3 to Mika H.) and just
31 points from nearly 6 seasons in F1, including a 6 race stint at Ferrari.

It isn't very inspiring, I'm afraid and I think that karlth is basically correct in his assessment, I wouldn't have put it quite so strong as he has, but in essence, he is right. IMO Salo is barely of F1 standard.

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Posted 20 February 2002 - 17:38

OK, so it appears that Salo is neither a consistent "winner" nor is his CV inspiring. Also, he'll probably never be WDC either. However, if seven (7) F1 teams should have him, then what qualities, what skills, might he bring to the table to make him desirable?

#26 speedy

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Posted 20 February 2002 - 18:06

BRG,

compare Jarno Trulli's CV, he has less than 30 points from his 5 full seasons, why not start a similar thread of him ): By your standards Jarno Trulli is also barely F1 standard - I disagree.

#27 The Voice of Reason

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Posted 20 February 2002 - 19:02

Interesting analysis but way harsh, I feel. Could a driver as bad a Karlth's post suggests run a Tyrell 3rd in the 3rd F1 race of his career at Interlagos. OK, he got cramp from a badly fitting seat and spun, but it was still an impressive performance. In the next race he qualified 5th.

I'm not a Salo fan, by the way - in fact, I consider him to be generally average - but is it really your intention to say that one of the worst formula one drivers of recent times jumped into a Ferrari half way through the season and would have won his 2nd race with the team? You conveniently ignore Salo's strong performances and make a mountain out of his weakest ones. Hardly a balanced argument…

#28 Dsilence

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Posted 20 February 2002 - 19:42

That's Mika Salos problem too many team changes... Can U seriously excpect someone as a stand-in for other drivers be at the same level :confused:

But I'll have the last laugh when Toyota gets better and Salo will be WCD in 2003 or '04 :clap: :)

#29 stephwh

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Posted 20 February 2002 - 19:48

I completley agree with TVOR. His previous indictment of Sato is ridiculous at best...the large gigantic whole in his arguement that his carreer is over being that he has yet to even qualify an F1 car let alone race one. To write someones career off before it begins is a fools exercise.

In the above arguement, Salo's virtual win in the 1999 Ferrari is glossed over in a sentence or two. The Hockenheim drive is precisely what raised Salo's stock. And yet again, we have a full season ahead to rate Mr. Salo, so why he is being character assignated 10 days from the opener is beyond me.

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#30 karlth

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Posted 20 February 2002 - 21:56

Eddie: I'm worrying about what you have got against birds.

Brian: I haven't got anything against the birds. Consider the lilies.

Arthur: He's having a go at the flowers now.

Eddie: Oh, give the flowers a chance.



Something just reminded me of it. :)

Sorry for the interruption.

#31 The Voice of Reason

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Posted 20 February 2002 - 22:08

Don't you oppress me! :p

:up: Karlth, for one of the more entertaining threads of the last few weeks. Oz not too far off now. :cool:

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Posted 20 February 2002 - 22:23

I think it is strange that when a poster on this BB writes "Mika Salo/Takumo Sato sucks" without any justification he is less likely to get personally attacked than with a post like Karlth's.

He provides arguments, you can agree/disagree and debate them. What's wrong with that?

I think to make a prediction on Sato's F1 career without him even competing a single race is not foolish, it's just very brave. We can all look back on Senna's career and state he was an above avarage qualifier. What's the fun in that? His article was a prediction, and to predict after his F1 career is over is less fun...
Like many, I don't want to rate Sato already, but Karlth's thread has given me some insight in his abilities, mostly from the replies it generated. In other words: a good thread.
Same goes for this thread about Salo/Toyota.
IMO he not only questions the abilities of Salo, but also the decision of Toyota to let Salo race for them; when you assume that Salo isn't a top-level racer, while Toyota aspires to be a top-level team.

What does one think is Toyota's motivation?

#33 umma gumma

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Posted 20 February 2002 - 22:45

I like this one here:


http://www.ferrari-t...s.com/48-80.htm


.....and I hope Salo does well this season. :up:

#34 Mila

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Posted 20 February 2002 - 23:41

eloquently stated, karlth.

I wish that I had the results here at my fingertips, but that was indeed a dominant display by "The Two Mikas" during the 1990 British F3 season--what was dubbed, "Formula Finland."

but what happened to Salo?

in terms of getting work, it certainly seems like he's living a charmed life. couldn't the team bosses who took him on post-Arrow see how he faired against the likes of Diniz?

(or is it that Diniz is underrated?)

#35 MacFan

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Posted 20 February 2002 - 23:52

IMO Salo's entire F1 career is based on him running Hakkinen close in F3 in 1990. Evidently, success in F3 does not tell the entire story about a driver's ultimate ability in F1.

#36 confucius

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Posted 20 February 2002 - 23:55

Originally posted by HSJ
If EI and Salo were teammates, EI would lose. Maybe not by a huge margin, but he would lose.


They were teammates - at Ferrari remember? And EI didn't lose...

;)

#37 Menace

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Posted 20 February 2002 - 23:57

Originally posted by confucius


They were teammates - at Ferrari remember? And EI didn't lose...

;)


LOL!

#38 magic

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Posted 21 February 2002 - 00:04

good piece of writing by k.

2 magic cents:

salo partnered the true grit racer and rocketstarter jos at tyrrell and beat him in qual and in race.
so he was quicker than jos, slightly, and got the car back home in one piece.

salo the turbodiesel, perfect for toyota.
bring the car home, being steady. if salo is 20th the car is slow, if salo is 5th toyota is doing well.
if the car breaks, the car is too vulnerable. etc.

mcnish is a joke and will retire in 2003.
then they should get a real f1driver wringing out the max of the car.
perfect.

#39 gerry nassar

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Posted 21 February 2002 - 00:12

Good post Karlth. :up: I like the way you make them sound like an autobiagraphy - albeit a biased one! ;) I agree - Ive never rated Salo and I never saw why he was rated so higly - especially by magazines like F1 racing - who used to worship him but went pretty silent on him after his time at Ferrari.

Speedy - HHF, DC and Fisi would all beat Salo if they were in the same team - as all three would beat out Irvine who is better than Salo.

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#40 The Kanisteri

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Posted 21 February 2002 - 04:39

Originally posted by magic
mcnish is a joke and will retire in 2003.


I think you are wrong.
McNish has good reputation from other racing glasses:

Official Toyota Formula One Driver
2001

Official Toyota Formula One Test Driver
Daytona 24 Hours – Risi Ferrari - Fastest Lap.
2000

Official Audi Driver in Le Mans and the American Le Mans Series
American Le Mans Series - Overall Winner and Prototype Class Winner.
1st Overall Petit Le Mans, 1st Overall Adelaide Race of 1000 Years, 2nd Overall Sebring 12 Hours,
6 Wins, 10 Podium Positions, 4 Pole Positions, 7 Fastest Laps and 6 Lap Records.
Le Mans 24 Hours - 2nd Overall, Pole Position and Fastest Lap. Fastest in Pre-Qualification.
Voted onto the “All-America Auto Racing Team” by the AARWBA.
Winner – Horsepower Award by the AARWBA
Winner – British Racing Drivers Club Silverstone/Le Mans Challenge Trophy.
Winner - Scottish Motor racing Club William Lyons/Billy Smith Trophy.
Official Toyota Formula One Test Driver.
1999

Official Toyota Driver in the Le Mans 24 Hours.
Official Porsche Driver.
Rolex Daytona 24 Hours – Risi Ferrari - 2nd Overall & Lap Record.
1998
Official Porsche Driver.
Le Mans 24 Hours - Overall Winner & GT1 Class Winner. Fastest in Pre-Qualification.
Rolex Daytona 24 Hours – GT1 Class Winner and 2nd Overall.
FIA GT Championship - 5th Overall, 5 Podium Positions, 1 Pole positions and 1 Lap Record.
Inaugural Petit Le Mans - Pole Position & Lap Record.
Winner Jim Clark Memorial Award.
Winner British Racing Drivers Club Fairfield Trophy.
Winner Club Des Pilotes Eric Thomas Trophy.
1997

Official Porsche Driver.
North American GT Championship - Winner of 3 races, 1 Pole position and 2 Lap records.
1996

Test driver for Benetton Formula One Team.
1995

International Formula 3000 with Paul Stewart Racing.
Two pole positions and several podiums finishes.
1994

Selected races in International Formula 3000 and Lola Formula One Test Driver.
1993

Test Driver for Benetton Formula One team.
1992 & 1991

Test Driver for McLaren Formula One team and racing in International Formula 3000.
1990

4th Overall in the International Formula 3000 Championship with 2 wins, 1 Pole Position and Lap Record.
Winner of the British Racing Drivers Club John Cobb Trophy for Best British Driver.
Test driver for McLaren International Formula One team.
1989

2nd in the British Formula 3 Championship with 5 wins.
Winner of the British Racing Drivers Club Graham Hill Trophy.
Winner of the Autosport Magazine National Driver of the year award.
1988

Winner - Vauxhall Lotus Championship with 5 wins.
3rd Overall in the European Opel Lotus Championship with 1 win.
Winner of the Cellnet Young Driver of the Year.
Winner of the British Racing Drivers Club trophy for the Most Promising Young Driver.
Winner of the Autosport Magazine Club Driver of the Year award.
Winner of the Scottish Motor Racing Club trophy for Best Performance in International Racing.
1987

2nd in the Dunlop Autosport Formula Ford Championship.
3rd in the Townsend Thoreson Championship.
5th in the International Formula Ford Festival.
1981- 1986

Karting
3rd in the 1985 World Championships.
3rd in the 1985 Italian Grand Prix.
3 time British Champion.
6 time Scottish Champion.

If you will deny his achievements , you are the REALLY joke.

#41 Scoop

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Posted 21 February 2002 - 04:57

i think salo performed reasonably at ferrari... not something to rubbish.

#42 kouks

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Posted 21 February 2002 - 05:05

I anxiously await your life story of HHF and DC and Alesi. Are they loosers too? :rolleyes:

#43 Hakk

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Posted 21 February 2002 - 06:23

I am not a Salo fan. Salo belongs in the same category with Irvine - average drivers. I am sure karlth could write this kind of negative post about half of the Formula 1 drivers. Then everyone would comment here, "hard but true".

I say that if Salo would have drove 5 years in a row at Jordan Irvine as a team mate, Salo would have won.

#44 speedy

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Posted 21 February 2002 - 06:30

Gerry,

I did not say a word about anyone beating enyone, so why such a reply ?

I only said that they have not achieved anything great so far, you could as well start a similar thread of many current drivers with a similar agenda, that was what I meant. A post how long and accurate as it may be, loses a lot of credibility when there's so visible agenda included.

Saying that a driver would beat another is .....well, childish :p

#45 magic

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Posted 21 February 2002 - 06:50

mcnish a pretty good driver maybe even top 30 but most who reach f1 are. but he's just not good enough to stay into f1. dennis an flav tested him and decided no.

#46 HSJ

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Posted 21 February 2002 - 12:52

Originally posted by magic
good piece of writing by k.

2 magic cents:

salo partnered the true grit racer and rocketstarter jos at tyrrell and beat him in qual and in race.
so he was quicker than jos, slightly, and got the car back home in one piece.

salo the turbodiesel, perfect for toyota.
bring the car home, being steady. if salo is 20th the car is slow, if salo is 5th toyota is doing well.
if the car breaks, the car is too vulnerable. etc.

mcnish is a joke and will retire in 2003.
then they should get a real f1driver wringing out the max of the car.
perfect.


I agree. Salo not great, very average, but had his moments, and might have some more coming up. Really the perfect choice for Toyota: if the car sucks, at least it won't be so obvious as it would be if they had some really fast driver who we know can do well given the car. But if the car is good, Salo should be able to score points like he always have (not many points, but a handful like in the Sauber 2000 scoring 6 pts).

McNish, I'm afraid, will probably flunk like you said. I won't like to see it, but it seems to be on the cards. But, the good thing about that is that a relatively good seat should be availble for someone, e.g. JVe, for 2003 then.

#47 Dazed and confused

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Posted 21 February 2002 - 13:13

I guess one could write an article like this about almost all of the drivers in F1. Ecspecially in you distort the truth a bit. Karlth didn't check his facts before posting this:

"Like at Arrows two years earlier Salo was unable to show that he was much faster than the
Brazilian paydriver. Diniz outqualified him regularly, but as before Salo earned his reputation for
bringing the car home, although slowly." I went to forix and checked this out. Salo outqualified Diniz 11-5, so Diniz didn't outqulify Salo regularly and Karlth is a liar. (Sauber didn't run at Interlagos due to some problems with their rearwings). I know Salo's qualifying sucks, but he's a lot better in races than Karlth wants us to believe. His years in Japan don't tell us much about his speed, since Japan's f3000 was all about tires when Salo drove there. He was with a team called 5ziegen, and they didn't have the best tires.

And to Arrow: I guess you were referring to MH, when you wrote "I dont think salo is that slow.
At least he wasnt the finn that was outpaced by johney herbert for two consecutive seasons"

And what are those two seasons???? Hakkinen and Herbert in 92. They had 13 races together at Lotus in 92. Qualifying went 7-6 to Herbert, but he managed to score only one single point. Mika was fourth at Magny Cours and Hungaroring, fifth at Estoril and sixth at Silverstone and Spa. He was running in third place at Suzuka when his engine blew. That is 11 points to MH and 1 to JH. I think it was other way around, Herbert was outpaced by Mika in a financially struggling team, where ecspecially after midseason all the support went to JH. So stop posting such crap!

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Posted 21 February 2002 - 13:33

Originally posted by Dazed and confused
Salo outqualified Diniz 11-5, so Diniz didn't outqulify Salo regularly and Karlth is a liar


"Liar" is a harsh and unnecessary word here me thinx. Being out-qualified 5 times in a season by a pay driver is a little too "regular" IMO. Wouldn't you expect someone of Mika's alleged "stature" to do better than that? I would, yet he didn't. I think Karlth's opinion is justified and correct.


As for others who keep pointing to his virtual win. Most drivers will have a good day in their career. This was one of his. Karlth was able to give it special mention because it stands out like a sore thumb in a remarkably mediocre career. As for the numerous awful days Mika Salo had, these didn't get such attention. I would say he glossed over far more damning evidence. Obviously feeling that summing it up into seasons would be more palatable and less time consuming for him and us. 1 race does not a good racer make.

Another thing, people are saying "How could he be so bad if he has been with 7 F1 teams?"

Can that not be turned around. Why did 6 teams get rid of him ? Probably because they realised what they had only when they signed him. This can be said of others too, but when put alongside MS's performances, it is undeniable.

I've nothing against him but to blindly defend the indefensible when there's very thin evidence to support you is a little bit futile IMHO.

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Posted 21 February 2002 - 13:42

Originally posted by speedy
By your standards Jarno Trulli is also barely F1 standard

Now don' t get me started about Trulli!  ;)

I have very many times posted my view that Trulli is a serious underachiever in F1 terms and does not merit the adulation that he gets from so many people on this BB. But unlike Salo, who will hide behind Toyota's failings this year, Trulli's nuts are right on the line as #1 at Renault. After 2002, I suspect that few will think very highly of him anymore.

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Posted 21 February 2002 - 13:48

are you sure that Trulli won't hide behind Renault? - after all, Renault is a "new" team and their engine has a "radical" angle... :smoking: