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#1 aportinga

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Posted 04 March 2002 - 18:02

As SpeedChannel viewers now know, ABC which is essentially one of the big four networks, will be broadcasting Monaco, Monza, Canada and the USGP. You'd think that BE and the FOA may be interested in making sure that enough promotions are put forth to draw more viewers from the States...afterall we have finally landed a hugely successful GP as far as venue and attendence is concerned - something which has not happened for decade. The only piece of the puzzle left is the TV package - which accounts for the majority of F1's cash world wide. That said you'd think that BE would be sure that we had the very best commentators, graphics and time slots available...

Monaco and Monza will be broadcasted at 6:30AM CST - does it really matter if ABC carries it at all? Most race fans in the US are NASCAR fans right - and I am sure that unless the fire alarms go off these people are not getting up at 6:30AM. Also consider the fact that NASCAR - along with baseball go hand in hand with beer drinking and the thought of inviting a bunch of friends over to drink beer at 6:30AM does not sound to appealing - not too mention that some of our wives may be a wee bit upset with us being drunk by 10AM! :lol:

Perhaps a tape delay would be better in these cases...lets face it F1 fans would still watch even if we did already know the results. And the fact that a tape delay may place the race in a noon or 1PM time slot may catch a few other race fans - or atleast is more likely to do so then at 6:30 in the morning.

As far as commentators are concerned...last year was a joke but perhaps we can chalk that up to last minute details that simply could not be shored up in time - although seeing Bob Jenkins as the official host for the IRL does not please me thus far. We know that Varsha is out - and more then likely Mike Joy as both have commitments on other channels. My guess is Paul Page, Jack Arute and a handful of others - with of course Jenkins as the host - but at least if the format is the same as in the IRL he will not be in the booth. Either way BE and FOA must address this issue - we have seen what happens just this year when a great broadcast team is re-configured (SpeedChannel - one Bob Varsha).

Marketing...it's still crap! :down: Here is the ABC sports site. And guess what??? Not one hint of the four races. Maybe Bernie needs someone here in the States to follow up with ABC, help them promote F1 in a manner which F1 deserves. Certainly the current standard is not effective at all...

http://espn.go.com/abcsports/

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#2 BuonoBruttoCattivo

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Posted 04 March 2002 - 18:34

Originally posted by aportinga
Here is the ABC sports site. And guess what??? Not one hint of the four races. Maybe Bernie needs someone here in the States to follow up with ABC, help them promote F1 in a manner which F1 deserves. Certainly the current standard is not effective at all...

http://espn.go.com/abcsports/


I cannot believe it. Like u said not even one mention of F1. What is it with the media? The American AtlasF1 posters on this BB are very knowlegdable, eloquent, keen and humorous fans of F1. So what is wrong with the masses? Is it a syndrome of not-made-in-the-USA-so-I-do-not-care type, or is the media hopelessly pandering to NASCRAP?

BTW sort of OT, ABC (Disney) is replacing Ted Koppel's Nightline (excellent news show) with stupid david letterman. I guess that answers my questioon :mad:

#3 DEVO

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Posted 04 March 2002 - 18:46

Tape delay races suck. Never liked them... never will. Keep it live or don't show it at all. Why appeal to a NASCAR fan? They will never get it, so why bother?

#4 thornwell

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Posted 04 March 2002 - 18:47

I don't want to start another Nascar / F1 fight. . .

But this is a good story:

My cousin, who is 16, came over to my house to watch the race Saturday night here in the US. It was his very first exposure to F1. During the race he watched attentively and asked several questions.

Later that night when I was driving him home he said, "I think I like that better than Nascar. It looks like they are going a lot faster and it looks a lot harder."

There is hope after all. . . . :)

#5 Xodiac

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Posted 04 March 2002 - 18:54

The problem as I see it with tape delayed broadcast's of F1 in the US has nothing to do with finding out who won prior to watching the race,as you would have to look very hard to find that information out. The problem is if there is an "incident" during the race. If for example there is an accident and the race is red flagged. On a taped show, all of that time leading up to the 2nd start would be cut out. God forbid there were anybody injured or worse, they may even decide to cancel the broadcast or limit the coverage because of that.

None of the other "mainstream" sports would ever consider showing something on tape delay. The delay is usually reserved for Bowling or something.

#6 Zeus

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Posted 04 March 2002 - 19:00

I hoping speedchannel will do their own broadcast a few days later or even the following week the way SpeedVision did with last year's USGP.

#7 aportinga

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Posted 04 March 2002 - 19:19

Tape delay races suck. Never liked them... never will. Keep it live or don't show it at all. Why appeal to a NASCAR fan? They will never get it, so why bother?



It does I agree however at 6:30AM they'll never expand their audience. Perhaps a few years tape delay can help.

BTW - there are tons of NASCAR fans at the USGP 01 - in fact I was surrounded by them! And guess what? They all came back in 02...every single one of them! My guess is that they were stuck with the bug off the bat because most of them showed up with MS articles - hats and such - and that figures (MS fans) since he's the only one we ever here about in the general media.

Like I said...everything looks great at the race - we just need to do the same as above on the tele! And lets face it, we offer a product that is so disimilar from NASCAR - one which they all know is the top series. Perhaps since the two do not compete they would be more willing to give F1 a go. Sure it would help however if we had some American by the name of Buckshot Willy Fireball Jerrett in the F1 mix that they'd watch all day long!

That's what F1 needs - a good American driver and propper marketing! The former will come eventually but the latter must be address by BE himself...why he has yet to do so is beyond me??? I seriously think I could out class him in that regard!

#8 aportinga

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Posted 04 March 2002 - 19:21

Xodiac

I here what you are saying - but atleast a tape delay would enable Bob Jenkins to practise the pronounciation of those drivers taken out in ur example :lol: .

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Posted 04 March 2002 - 19:29

If you are saying to have both tape delay and live then sure I'm all for it. Otherwise I'm happy with the current number of F1 fans in the US. I have friends who watch NASCAR and most of them like F1 but a number of them just don't get F1 at all... like Rick from the Speed channel. So to have them join in as F1 fans... I would rather do with out.

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Posted 04 March 2002 - 20:16

ABC just needs to market the damn thing. Last year's USGP had no advertising or promotion behind it. I think SpeedChannelVision is at least running a lot of promotions during NASCAR and their other programming.

ABC just needs to drop some money on some good promo ads...and drop them in during IRL races and the 500 and what not. I'd be happy to help them out....I've got some ideas that would get fans watching....



The modern Formula One car goes from 0 to 100 and back to 0 in 5.4 seconds.

An F1 driver is subjected to tremendous g-forces over 3,000 times during a race.

The top teams spend $250+ million per year just to scratch off a hundreth of a second.

The F1 season lasts 17 races and spans the globe from Australia, to Monaco, and the United States.

Just one F1 race has as many worldwide views as the Olympics.....So what are you watching this weekend?

Watch the ______________ Grand Prix at _____________ this weekend on ABC!!!!!


#11 Hunt the Shunt Fan

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Posted 04 March 2002 - 20:25

Are you sure ABC will be airing the Monaco and Monza races live at 6am? Wouldn't they tape delay them and air them in the afternoon? I just can't believe they would air these races so early.

#12 KenC

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Posted 04 March 2002 - 20:28

Originally posted by aportinga

...Perhaps a tape delay would be better in these cases...lets face it F1 fans would still watch even if we did already know the results. And the fact that a tape delay may place the race in a noon or 1PM time slot may catch a few other race fans - or atleast is more likely to do so then at 6:30 in the morning....


You're the first fan I know of any sport who would prefer a "tape delay" over live coverage. :down: :down: :down:

#13 aportinga

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Posted 04 March 2002 - 20:38

You're the first fan I know of any sport who would prefer a "tape delay" over live coverage



U obviously do not understand the business end of it at all. But that's ok...keep following me around and you'll learn.

Till then keep up the great posts KenC :up:

#14 aportinga

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Posted 04 March 2002 - 20:41

Hunt

Actually this is what Rick DeBruel stated on the SpeedChannel broadcast (during the race) - obviously letting fans know that they (SpeedChannel) would be broadcasting the race as well - tape delayed however.

I'm trying to find out more at ABC but if you've hit that link you'll probably assume correctly that I ain't gonna find much!

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Posted 04 March 2002 - 20:46

SpeedChannel covers it live at 6:00am.

ABC tape delay at noon or 2pm for the NASCAR fans.

This way we get to watch it twice!

By the way, a BIG :up: to the people who makes decision on www.speedtv.com. Instead of plastering NASCAR on the front page all weekend. They decided to headline it with Formula One on Friday and Saturday and on Saturday, 2 of the 3 front page articles were about F1. I know takes a lot to make decisions like that because NASCAR do generate a lot of revenue for the station. However I think SpeedChannel has shown that they understand F1 also has a big following in the US.

#16 aportinga

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Posted 04 March 2002 - 20:52

zppd..

THANKS! Where did you catch that may I ask?

That's way too much fun for one day!

#17 Hunt the Shunt Fan

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Posted 04 March 2002 - 21:08

Originally posted by zppd
SpeedChannel covers it live at 6:00am.

ABC tape delay at noon or 2pm for the NASCAR fans.

This way we get to watch it twice!

By the way, a BIG :up: to the people who makes decision on www.speedtv.com. Instead of plastering NASCAR on the front page all weekend. They decided to headline it with Formula One on Friday and Saturday and on Saturday, 2 of the 3 front page articles were about F1. I know takes a lot to make decisions like that because NASCAR do generate a lot of revenue for the station. However I think SpeedChannel has shown that they understand F1 also has a big following in the US.




Well, they have been showing a lot of World Rally. I think I have seen the Swedish third leg program five or six times already. I can't wait for Corsica!

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Posted 04 March 2002 - 21:23

there is no way abc would air a race at 6:30 am. they would get only hardcore fans, and that's not the point of abc showing the races. they're hoping to suck in some non-fans who are just flipping around, looking for something to watch on a sunday afternoon. the hardcore fans will be watching regardless.

i personally have no problem with a tape delay race, as long as it's shown in its entirety, the very same day. my friends and i usually watch the races on tape later in the day anyway. who the hell wants to get up at 6:30 every other sunday? once or twice during the season, maybe. but not every time. i've rarely had any problem avoiding the race results. just don't turn on espn, and you're all set.

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Posted 04 March 2002 - 21:32

I'm real supprised that ABC will show the European races live. I'd have thought they would show them at 1300 est, except on the west coast, were we'd get screwed abain by having to wait another 4 hours. I did like the 'world feed' that ABC had for the USGP last year, extra in car shots, and the tach superimposed on the screen are nice touches we don't normally get here in the US. Having said that, the announcer were a joke, embarrasing. :down:

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Posted 04 March 2002 - 21:34

Originally posted by zppd
By the way, a BIG :up: to the people who makes decision on www.speedtv.com. Instead of plastering NASCAR on the front page all weekend. They decided to headline it with Formula One on Friday and Saturday and on Saturday, 2 of the 3 front page articles were about F1. I know takes a lot to make decisions like that because NASCAR do generate a lot of revenue for the station. However I think SpeedChannel has shown that they understand F1 also has a big following in the US.


Yea, SC's coverage was pretty good, a 2.5 hour block of F1 for the race, and repeated again on Sunday in prime time :up: :up: