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#51 HistoricMustang

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Posted 19 February 2005 - 13:20

kris, thanks for the thread bump. This is 1971 Super V action at Road Atlanta. Ted Tidwell leading in #54.

Other ID's would be appreciated.

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#52 humphries

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Posted 19 February 2005 - 18:57

Kris

Surprisingly "On track" did not publish a final full championship points table for 1983 but NSSN did do the Top Twenty and Mike Andretti finished 18th.

John

#53 kris

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Posted 22 February 2005 - 21:11

Pic from Detoit 1982 - Michael Andretti leading

B&W pic of Michael Andretti # 40 - Detroit Super Vee 1982

Color pic of Michael Andretti # 40 - Detroit Super vee 1982

Link to Mark Windecker's Super Vee galleries

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#54 kris

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Posted 17 March 2005 - 11:52

The links above have change since the Mark Windecker's galleries have been recently updated - Being added are pics from 1982, 1988 & 1989 -

Marck Windecker's Super Vee galleries

#55 petefenelon

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Posted 17 March 2005 - 15:58

Originally posted by Vitesse2
Memos to self:

1 Book eye test
2 Buy bigger monitor :)

Even so, Pumpelly is still pretty funny ...


There's a Spencer Pumpelly active in sports car racing in the USA these days - I would assume some relation to Tom (son?)

#56 fines

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Posted 19 March 2005 - 12:38

Bump!

[to provide Ricardo Cunha with a perfect place to post his Brazilian Super Vee info... :)]

#57 Bonde

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Posted 19 March 2005 - 12:50

[...and with pictures, too, please... :D ]

#58 mwphoto

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Posted 20 March 2005 - 17:17

Originally posted by humphries
Kris

Surprisingly "On track" did not publish a final full championship points table for 1983 but NSSN did do the Top Twenty and Mike Andretti finished 18th.

John


Found it in the Dec 15, 1983 issue
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Also, I am slowly updated some of my galleries! I believe I have some older Super Vee photo from the 70's.

Mark Windecker

#59 kris

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Posted 20 March 2005 - 19:35

Thanks Mark,

Do you have some photos of Atlantics cars and drivers from that year (1983) ?
If so, hope you will post some on your website ...

Kris

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#60 jcbc3

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Posted 21 March 2005 - 09:57

Originally posted by petefenelon


There's a Spencer Pumpelly active in sports car racing in the USA these days - I would assume some relation to Tom (son?)


The Sebring 12 hours result from yesterday:

18 S.Ivankovich/S.Pumpelly/A.Lally 275 Porsche 911 GT3 RS GT2

#61 Herbert

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Posted 16 August 2005 - 21:43

Anyone who got results and point standings from 1984 to 1990? I'm especially looking for the later years.

#62 Lexington_Tyrrell

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Posted 05 May 2006 - 20:11

I have found this thread interesting - I own the Tui BH3 that Roos used to win the 1973 VW Gold Cup Championship while driving for Fred Opert. Photos of the car can be seen at:

http://community.web...142213135YINRGc

I have been restoring the car although unfortunately I am probably going to have to sell. Does anyone have photos of Roos in this car?

Thanks,
Mike,
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#63 Herbert

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Posted 25 May 2006 - 15:16

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Top Ten from 1984-1986.

Source: SCCA Pro Racing Media Guide 1988

#64 mwphoto

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Posted 25 February 2008 - 23:33

Anyone have an entry list for the 1982 Super Vee race at Detroit, run with F1?
Trying to ID two cars and drivers not listed in the race results I have. Both must have been non-starters.
#32 (Like the from wing!)
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and #34
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#65 Chris Townsend

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Posted 26 February 2008 - 00:23

Don't have a Detroit programme but do have a few others from that season
Several of these have 32 as J.L. Brown with a ProtoFab Riley
Is 34 an Autoresearch? Possibly Stan Fox? [Or given the height of the driver, an outing for Atlantic driver Chris Kneifel]

#66 ErleMin

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Posted 18 April 2008 - 16:26

Can I ask if anyone has a list of results of any Super Vee races in the US in 1970. The Series/Championship didn't start till 1971 but Bill Scott had his Royale RP9 in 1970 and I do believe he raced it then. I am particularly interested in this car. This may have been as a class in a multiclass race or as a Formula Vee 1600 as the class was originally entitled. There is a photo of the car in the Royale book "Nowhere To Hide" captioned as taken in 1970. Any info greatly received. Thanks. Apologies to Darren Galpin who I have already pm'ed for this.

#67 fines

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Posted 19 April 2008 - 21:41

Super Vee was inaugurated as an official SCCA class beginning in 1970, and the first race should've been Apr 12 at Summit Point, WV, the "Washington (DC) Region of the SCCA Summit Point Spring Nationals", but it was apparently cancelled - I have found a comment from May 1970 saying that no Super Vee had yet appeared on any track!

I have another event listed for June 21, 11.30 am, a 60-mile multi-formula race (A, B, C, F, Super Vee) at the "Road America June Sprints" in Elkhart Lake (WI), but "there were no entries in Super Vee". July 5, Riverside International Raceway in Edgemont (CA) had another Formula A/B/C/Super Vee race of 19 laps, but no results from the class. Another race listed for Sears Point Raceway in Sonoma (CA), the "Sonoma Summer Sport National Champions Sports Car Races" on July 11, but only the FFord overall winner listed in the combined FF/SV race... :(

The first actual sign of life for Super Vee that I can find is a July 26 event at the Mid-Ohio Sports Car Course in Mansfield (OH) [shouldn't that read Lexington :confused:], where "Jim Lombard of Columbus, Ohio, set a 1'49.8" lap standard as the first and only competitor in the new Super Vee class".

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Posted 10 March 2009 - 18:08

I looked for these two photos of Mr. Bertil Roos and I would like to know where and year.

http://s372.photobuc.....1970s Racing/

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Thank you.

#69 kris

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Posted 11 March 2009 - 16:22

Page 58 of this PDF link there's a pic of Michael Andretti in 1981 in the Riverside Super Vee race

Can someone give me details of Mike's race in Long Beach 1983, he was the winner but how did he qualify, who was the owner, what number was his and which car did he race ?

Also would like to learn more about Jeff Andretti's race in Vegas 1984

#70 Andy77

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Posted 11 March 2009 - 18:29

Wasn't there some sort of a super vee world final too?
I seem to remember that I once read about Daytona as the circuit for such a final. I just do not know where I read that.

#71 ChrisJson

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Posted 11 March 2009 - 18:35

fines: It´s Lennart Paradis, not Lennarth Paridlis.

#72 fines

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Posted 11 March 2009 - 19:56

Thanks, Christer! :)

#73 kris

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Posted 13 March 2009 - 14:51

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Dick Durant in FC Super Vee, Mid America Raceway in Wentzville, Missouri on 09-05-1981

#74 Allen Brown

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Posted 09 May 2010 - 20:08

I have amended my posts above to replace the US results tables that had gone missing.

Allen

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Posted 11 May 2010 - 16:12

Always wondered what happened to Mika Arpiainen who won the only Super Vee race I recall seeing, winning in a Veemax at the Nurburgring on 1st August 1976.

Driver Database lists him as the 1504th most popular driver on their site.

DD shows he was active in 1974 for two races and then Mika appears in 1976 with 6 wins, 6 podiums and four fastest laps from ten races !

His total 50 % winning average seems to have been completely overlooked by talent scouts as he appears never to have raced again, does any one know what happened to him, surely the talent suggested by those statistics did not go completely to waste ?

#76 Mallory Dan

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Posted 11 May 2010 - 16:58

Always wondered what happened to Mika Arpiainen who won the only Super Vee race I recall seeing, winning in a Veemax at the Nurburgring on 1st August 1976.

Driver Database lists him as the 1504th most popular driver on their site.

DD shows he was active in 1974 for two races and then Mika appears in 1976 with 6 wins, 6 podiums and four fastest laps from ten races !

His total 50 % winning average seems to have been completely overlooked by talent scouts as he appears never to have raced again, does any one know what happened to him, surely the talent suggested by those statistics did not go completely to waste ?


The Lola T450 did for him Artti, much like Ray Mallock

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Posted 11 May 2010 - 19:33

Throwing some one with a 50 % win rate under the bus for a single unclassified run in an end of season Formula 2 race, VIII Preis von Baden-Württemberg und Hessen 1976, seems a tad harsh, surely must be more to it than that ?

#78 Chris Townsend

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Posted 11 May 2010 - 19:52

Throwing some one with a 50 % win rate under the bus for a single unclassified run in an end of season Formula 2 race, VIII Preis von Baden-Württemberg und Hessen 1976, seems a tad harsh, surely must be more to it than that ?



If you think that's bad, try and explain the descent into obscurity of Peter Kuhn, who won the 1980 US championship and then, nothing...
I think he did one Atlantic race with a two year old rent-a-car

I agree that there was probably more to it than the ATS Lola T450, poor though it was. I suspect that in Arpianen's case the people who ran F2 teams, let alone F1, didn't take European FSV too seriously, certainly in comparison to F3, and Rosberg aside, they were generally proved right. Also at that time there were several Finns, beside Arpianen, who'd emerged from FSV and would have been competitors for most of the decent national sponsorship, Rosberg, of course, but also Mikko Kozarowitzky, who Marlboro thought a lot of.

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Posted 11 May 2010 - 20:28

I suppose winning alone does not necessarily attract the necessary sponsorship to progress, I guess that is why drivers all have PR people and what not as soon as they leave their push chairs these days :-)

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Posted 11 May 2010 - 21:03

If you think that's bad, try and explain the descent into obscurity of Peter Kuhn, who won the 1980 US championship and then, nothing...
I think he did one Atlantic race with a two year old rent-a-car

Peter Kuhn made three starts in 1984 in CART with a year old March for the back marker McCray Team. Nothing came of it. He also did some racing around that time in IMSA Camel GT. But you are right, Chris, in that winning the '80 FSV title was the highlight of his driving career.
Tom

#81 Michael Ferner

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Posted 12 May 2010 - 08:45

I don't know where that 50 % win rate comes from, but Arpiainen was active in FSV from 1971 to '76 minimum, and participated in more than 50 races. He won two in 1972 and one in 1973, and was generally running at the front, but he hardly set the world afire. Granted, his 1976 record was outstanding, with nine pole positions, ten wins and one second in fourteen races, but he also crashed twice. Add to that the fact that Rosberg, for example, had just stopped racing FSV after winning twelve races in just two years - he'd started later, got out earlier and still won as many races. And who did Arpiainen beat anyway, Peter Scharmann, Dieter Engel and Kenneth Persson - whatever became of them?! I'd also guess that he was probably already advanced in years, anyone know how old he was?

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Posted 12 May 2010 - 09:27

Thanks for filling me in on Mikka's earlier carreer Michael, looks like Drivers Database is also a work in progress :-)

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Posted 12 May 2010 - 10:03

And who did Arpiainen beat anyway, Peter Scharmann, Dieter Engel and Kenneth Persson - whatever became of them?! I'd also guess that he was probably already advanced in years, anyone know how old he was?

He was 28 when he won the 1976 FSV title. I loved his smooth style in the superbly prepared Veemax MK VIII, watching him at Zandvoort and Zolder. Mika had only a couple of low profile runs in F2, he didn't have the budget to have a proper go. Actually he got stuck too long in FSV, maybe he wasn't interested to make a move elsewhere.

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#84 ReWind

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Posted 12 May 2010 - 14:29

In 1981 Mika Arpiainen switched to rallying.

#85 Peter Brennan

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Posted 09 November 2010 - 21:02

Looking for Super vee regulations for 1982, were there any later years that they ran in Europe? Very interested to know how many speeds they ran in transmissions. Thanks Pete

#86 Peter Brennan

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Posted 10 November 2010 - 01:55

Hi Kris

Wish I could but the SCCA Yearbook I had only went up to 1982. Sorry!

Allen

Hi Allen, have you been able to locate any later results yet. Thanks Pete

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Posted 10 November 2010 - 07:48

Peter ,
CAMS is finally in receipt of a set of USA regulations which appears to confirm
4 speed and free diff. these regs. are circa 1986 .

If you care to telephone me tomorrow we can discuss.

Bryan Miller.

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Posted 06 March 2016 - 18:40

Hi,

does anybody have any informations about the Celi AC 13 (Formula Super Vee, aircooled). As far as i know only 2 cars were built in 1976.

I am looking for photos, results just anything.

 

Thank you

Frank



#89 ErleMin

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Posted 07 March 2016 - 14:54

You mean something like (translated literally from the website set up by Dirk De Ryke):-  "Celi AC 13: The last Celi . Design JM Sonkes; This type was controlled(driven by) by Bernard de Saint-Hubert, Baudouin of Rest and Olivier de Croy .
In 1977 Kennerth Persson drove several races with this car. He earned a third place them(n) at the Nurburgring ."

Link to the site (where there is a photo) is:-

http://www.celi-cars...site/intro.html



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Posted 08 March 2016 - 00:11

Interesting style developments of the three cars over two years. They almost look nothing alike!

I have loved Super Vee since it launched, and still have many friends who raced Super Vee here in the States... so I hope this thread gets some traction!

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Posted 08 March 2016 - 08:54

Some time after M. Celi ceased his business, around 1983-4, I met him & was shown around his abandoned workshop in Brussels. It was a treasure trove of everything such as complete monocoques, spare parts, bodywork & all the paraphernalia for producing FVees & SuperVees. He even had his own hand made engine dyno.

 

The workshop was on the upper floor of a general repair garage & was by no means obvious. I'd been using some space there for about a year before I knew about it!

 

I had a brief chat with him & remember him talking about a (2 litre?) SuperVee engine he was enthused about but cannot remember any details, I'm afraid. I considered buying the engines & some of the equipment for a sports car project but as with most thing in racing, it never materialized.



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Posted 08 March 2016 - 17:53

There is a group "Formel Super VW in Europa 1971-1982. Starterlisten und Rennergebnisse"

on facebook. It displays a photo of Bernard de Saint-Hubert`s Celi AC 13. Zolder 1977.



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Posted 09 March 2016 - 15:44

Thanks everybody for the answers

 

Erle

thank you for reporting the website. I knew this wonderfull Website already but unfortunately the Information about the Celi AC 13 SuperVee is Little, There is only one contemporary Picture. I am looking for more Information, Pictures, results about this car. Do you have results from the car driven bei Kenneth? I know that Kenneth drove his Celi in the race 07/08.05.1977 ADAC Super-Sport Rennen Kassel Calden. Pictures from this race would be great.

Erle do you have any results from the Celi AC 13?

 

DogEarred

interesting Story. Do you have any pics from Aldo Celi2s Workshop?

 

island

thank you for this valuable assistance but it is a pity but I am not on Facebook. I believe I am to old for this. Would it be possible to post that Picture here? That would be very Kind from you. :up:

 

Thank you



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Posted 10 March 2016 - 13:25

I am afraid that my knowledge of Aldo Celi's cars and their results are non-existant. All I did was drive one. Have a look at http://formel-vau.eu  and try to get into contact with one of the members of this group, Martin Bourgondiën who has rebuilt a Celi SuperVee (marque number, I know not), may well have researched this topic further and could help you.


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Posted 10 March 2016 - 20:07

DogEarred
interesting Story. Do you have any pics from Aldo Celi2s Workshop?


Sorry SVF, no photos but I do remember it was the air cooled SVee engine we were talking about. He was claiming good horsepower on the dyno & I was interested in a possible lightweight 2 litre sportscar.

I've no idea what happened to all the stuff in his workshop. It's now a furniture store.

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Posted 17 March 2016 - 20:45

Dear Island

would you be so Kind and post the photo of Bernhard de Saint-Hubert Celi AC 13 in Zolder 1977, which you found on Facebook.

I do not know how to get this photo, because I am not on Facebook.

Thank you very much.