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[Spunout]

Interesting news if you happen to have some spare money...

The Bugatti Veyron concept car seems to be on markets at 2003 and its performance will putl modern day supercars to shame.

The engine is W16 (16 cylinders in 3 rows) turbo - 1001 horsepowers. Acceleration 0-186 MPH is under 14 secs and top speed is 252 MPH.

Any buyers?

[Ferrari_F1_fan_2001]

and the best thing is that its going to be less than what the Mclaren F1 was sold for, just imagine, the power of a Mclaren F1 and a Ferrari F355 , that ****er is gonna be fast!

[schuy]

Originally posted by Spunout
Interesting news if you happen to have some spare money...

The Bugatti Veyron concept car seems to be on markets at 2003 and its performance will putl modern day supercars to shame.

The engine is W16 (16 cylinders in 3 rows) turbo - 1001 horsepowers. Acceleration 0-186 MPH is under 14 secs and top speed is 252 MPH.

Any buyers?

Hey, are you on commission?

But anyway, look to this thread for some more chats about the Bugatti Veyron, especially the technical aspects:
http://www.atlasf1.c...&threadid=29679
enjoy.
Best Regards,

Liran Biderman.

[Spunout]

Thanks! I missed this thread...

[-RM-]

I wonder how it will stand against the planed straight 12 version of the Koenigsegg. It is supposed to be able to go over the 400 km/h barrier too.

[Jezztor]

I'll take two.

Jezz

[Aubwi]

How will those 16 cylinders be arranged? 5-6-5?

[Colin]

It's not three rows of cylinders. Its actually like two of the W8 engines back to back (plus turbos). There are two banks, but each bank is actually of the VR type with two rows of cylnders nestled together - so you could think of it as a 4 bank engine.

The Veyron debuted with a W18 that was actually 3 banks of 6 cylinders each. This was actually 6 of VW's economy car 3 cylinder engines pieced together, but it was condidered too complex (more complex than the W16?!) and dropped in favor of the VR based engine idea.

[mcerqueira]

"Acceleration 0-186 MPH is under 14 secs..."

Now how would that compare with todays F1 cars? It's quite an odd performace figure (the usual being 0-60 or 0-100) but maybe it makes some sense at this level of performance. I've heard of F1 acceleration being 0-100 MPH in around 3.6.... Anyway that I know of there isn´t a "regular" production car capable of beating an F1 on acceleration.

And that 7 speed/dual clutch system gear box is said to (according to a Bugatti source) give a constant surge of acceleration, not unlike a CVT maybe. Is that possible under F1 regulations?

[Top Fuel F1]

Re: http://atlasf1.com/b...=W16 AND behold

Here's a previous Thread in which you can see some pictures of the Veyron

[AndyM]

I recently had a look around the company who are developing the driveline for the Veyron. They had a computer simulation of the Veyron gearbox with the twin clutch system. They wouldn't give too much away (they were demonstrating their gearbox shift quality simulations and control software) as much of it is confidential, but it showed the advantages of a twin clutch system in minimalising the drop in acceleration between shifts. Minimalising the acceleration drops between shifts is clearly one of the main factors in achieving those quick acceleraton stats. The simulation shown did not give constant acceleration surge, but it certainly did reduce the torque gaps between shifts. Interesting stuff.

Andy

[Ben]

Ricardo?

[david_martin]

no doubt. Ricardo did the drive train for the VAG Nardo project too.

The engine looks like a traditional V layout externally, it is not an "arrow 12" like the Napier Lion aero engine was. It actually has 4 rows of 4 cylinders arranged in two banks like a very narrow angle V8, all off a single crank.

[AndyM]

Yeah it was Ricardo, sorry, should have mentioned that.....

[Ben]

I assume MTC? Are you going for a job. If so good luck.

Ben

[Roland Kunz]

Hello

Why using the VR or W engine series ?

Shorther crank/engine

The W8 is now runig in the Passat and D1 so it is enough time to fix the bugs.
( Well next year first bugfix will give more power too )

Well Double Clutch ?

Someone remember the PDK system from Porsche who was used ( and banned ) in the 956 ?

Grüsse

Edit

Ups the homsite from ricardo pl shows a 404 www.ricardo.com

[LMG]

Originally posted by mcerqueira
"Acceleration 0-186 MPH is under 14 secs..."

Now how would that compare with todays F1 cars? It's quite an odd performace figure (the usual being 0-60 or 0-100) but maybe it makes some sense at this level of performance. I've heard of F1 acceleration being 0-100 MPH in around 3.6.... Anyway that I know of there isn´t a "regular" production car capable of beating an F1 on acceleration.

0-186 mph = 0-300km/h

The Veyron would hardly match a F1. It weights about three times as much (1550kg) and have about ten percent more power...

[LMG]

Originally posted by Roland Kunz
Hello

Why using the VR or W engine series ?

Shorther crank/engine

The W8 is now runig in the Passat and D1 so it is enough time to fix the bugs.
( Well next year first bugfix will give more power too )

Hello,

To answer your question:
Size: A VR configuration is the only way to get an engine that size into the car. I actually had a look at the W16 in Frankfurt and it is enormous…

In addition to Passat W8 and Phaeton, a W12 has already been used in Audi A8 for about a year, if I’m not mistaken.

[schuy]

Originally posted by LMG


Hello,

To answer your question:
Size: A VR configuration is the only way to get an engine that size into the car. I actually had a look at the W16 in Frankfurt and it is enormous…

In addition to Passat W8 and Phaeton, a W12 has already been used in Audi A8 for about a year, if I’m not mistaken.

Hi,
Yes, the Audi A8 W12.
414Bhp.
Nice car.

Originally posted by LMG
0-186 mph = 0-300km/h

The Veyron would hardly match a F1. It weights about three times as much (1550kg) and have about ten percent more
power...

The Bugatti is much more aerodynamic.

Liran Biderman.

[Top Fuel F1]

Re:
http://www.cardesign...swagen-w12.html

What is the current status on this VW car?

[Top Fuel F1]

Re:
http://www.geocities...e_packaging.htm

Some good technical explaination on the VW VR6 configuration leading into the W configurations.

By the way, don't over look the Hyper Link at the web site at "Variable Valve Timing".