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[A3]

http://www.senna-cd.com/

Anyone got it yet? I'm thinking about buying it.

This highly original CD illustrates Senna's life using popular music linked by quotes from both the man himself, and those who knew him. The accompanying book offers an added dimension, as it guides you through the contents of the CD, explaining the specific significance of each song and providing insight through others' views of Senna. We have sought to devote equal attention both to Senna's complex inner workings, and his incredible achievements in motor racing. Simultaneously reading the book and listening to the CD will provide insight into his personality. A warrior on the track, a philosopher, a philanthropist, and an obsessive, doubt-ridden and deeply religious individual, Ayrton Senna was truly a man with many faces.

Established in 1994 by Senna's sister Viviane, six months after her brother's death, the Ayrton Senna Foundation works to give needy children and adults in Brazil a better future, picking up where Ayrton left off. A part of the proceeds from the sale of this CD will go towards funding this organisation.

Martin Brundle


"I did enjoy the CD, but don't be having one of your down days when you first listen to it! It's very emotional and very powerful, especially if you were around in those days. The lyrics are all pertinent for one reason or another."


Rubens Barrichello
"I think music was a big thing for him, just like it is for me and other Brazilians. Everywhere I go I carry my music, and he used to carry tapes around. I enjoyed the CD a lot. Sometimes it's tough, but it's nice to know which kind of music he used to like. The Brazilian ones I knew about, and I've been to a concert at the Senna Foundation with Milton Nascimento. The Tina Turner song, Simply The Best, was played in Adelaide in 1993. I was there, on the other side of the stage, so I saw her invite him to come up. It was actually very impressive."

[mikedeering]

Shame it doesn't feature Senna's outburst at Suzuka 91 - I think someone should lay that speech over some large bass and you have a potential #1 - the kids would love it.

[A3]

What speech was that Mike?

[mikedeering]

The one where he explained his actions at Suzuka 90 - every F*** other F*** word F*** was F*** and JMB took a fair bit of abuse. The whole thing was broadcast to the main grandstand opposite the pits IIRC.

Gerhard Berger, in an attempt to lighten the mood suggested at the time that Senna should pray that JMB never got elected president of the FIA again.

[PraetorAAV]

Originally posted by mikedeering
Shame it doesn't feature Senna's outburst at Suzuka 91 - I think someone should lay that speech over some large bass and you have a potential #1 - the kids would love it.

Although I utterly dislike saying this, I think you're a hypocrite and a biggot. Yes, Senna might have had an outburst (ok, many), he was human after all (even though for many he seemed like a god). Can't we simply honour his memory and remember the best things he has done ?

Would you care to know instead how many of those children that might have listened to those curses you mentioned, actually were driven to karting because Senna was their idol ? For many of them this was probably the only chance of getting out of an unfortunate financial situation, helping their relatives as well.

Is it so wrong that we have a somewhat selective memory and prefer to remember someone by his good deeds ?

[mikedeering]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by PraetorAAV


Although I utterly dislike saying this, I think you're a hypocrite and a biggot. Yes, Senna might have had an outburst (ok, many), he was human after all (even though for many he seemed like a god). Can't we simply honour his memory and remember the best things he has done ?

Would you care to know instead how many of those children that might have listened to those curses you mentioned, actually were driven to karting because Senna was their idol ? For many of them this was probably the only chance of getting out of an unfortunate financial situation, helping their relatives as well.

Is it so wrong that we have a somewhat selective memory and prefer to remember someone by his good deeds ? [/QUOTE

How exactly am I a hypocrite and a biggot? Does my post criticize Senna for his outburst? No. All I suggested (in jest I might add) is that it would make a good song. My comment about kids relates to the sort of music they listen to now, not to the influence Senna swearing could have on them.

Still you have made some interesting comments. I suspect that the number of people who have used motor racing to get out of an unfortunate financial situation is pretty close to zero. The fact remains that to get ahead in motor racing you need money, and lots of it, irrespective of talent. Name one current F1 driver who has come from an impoverished family, because I can't. Fact is, motor racing is expensive, and to get into it, even at the lower level requires a fat amount of cash from momma and poppa as well as talent and dedication.

As for selective memory - the problem with just remembering the good points of a person is that you end up painting them as a demi-god, which is unfortuantely what has happened to Ayrton. Fact is, he was a damn fast racing driver. He also had many admirable traits, but this should be balanaced with the fact that he was not perfect, and shouldn't be seen as whiter than white.

[Ross Stonefeld]

Man, Senna is worth more dead than he ever was alive

[PraetorAAV]

Originally posted by mikedeering
How exactly am I a hypocrite and a biggot? Does my post criticize Senna for his outburst? No. All I suggested (in jest I might add) is that it would make a good song.

Your right of understanding your words this way. In which case I apologise for calling you a hypocrite. It's quite obvious to me you were just trying to get to post something, anything... It was my mistake to waste my time on you. Ah well, I should know better another time...

My comment about kids relates to the sort of music they listen to now, not to the influence Senna swearing could have on them.

I'm not all that worried about what effect that might have on kids. Heck, I knew most curses in my native language before I was 10 (and I assure you, they were by far more imaginative than what is possible in English!).

As about the sort of music children listen now, well, I wouldn't call that music. I won't go in any further detail, as I'd run off topic.

Still you have made some interesting comments. I suspect that the number of people who have used motor racing to get out of an unfortunate financial situation is pretty close to zero.

Ignorance is not an excuse. Try to search on google for fundations and sponsors that actually help children whose parents can't afford those few thousands dollars that are required for a child to try race in karting. Some of these foundations were inspired by the likes of Senna, Prost and all the other champions.

The fact remains that to get ahead in motor racing you need money, and lots of it, irrespective of talent. Name one current F1 driver who has come from an impoverished family, because I can't.

Have I ever mentioned an F1 driver ? The fact that we're discussing in an F1 forum, doesn't imply there are only F1 drivers in this world. I didn't say that a child from a poor family has to become like Schumacher to be able to say he succeeded. From my point of view, earning a decent salary as a driver, instructor, engineer - doesn't matter what - in any formula is sufficient.

Yes, if you spoke of the 22 drivers currently in F1 plus the additional test drivers, you're probably right. But I think your perspective is very narrow - think how many more people earn their living supporting this elite.

As for selective memory - the problem with just remembering the good points of a person is that you end up painting them as a demi-god, which is unfortuantely what has happened to Ayrton. Fact is, he was a damn fast racing driver. He also had many admirable traits, but this should be balanaced with the fact that he was not perfect, and shouldn't be seen as whiter than white. [/B]

Why, again ? Do you ever care to remember bad traits of various politicians, for example ? US (and I make a more or less far-fetched assumption you're from US) has a tradition on deifying their presidents even if they were mere mortals. I'm not trying to enter into politics here - far from my interests or the main topic of this forum. I'm just giving an example of similar behaviour.

Yes, we're all humans, but a little bit of legend is what it takes to feed out intrinsic need of idealism without which we wouldn't be worth our lives.

[pRy]

I don't know about you guys, but "8. Statements Press May, 1, 1994" send chills down my spine. It was chilling to hear Murray Walker's words when he went off again. I had not heard them since the race but I had always remembered them in my mind.

[PraetorAAV]

Originally posted by pRy
I don't know about you guys, but "8. Statements Press May, 1, 1994" send chills down my spine. It was chilling to hear Murray Walker's words when he went off again. I had not heard them since the race but I had always remembered them in my mind.

I couldn't watch the race then... For some stupid reason, that particular race hadn't been broadcasted in my home country. I heard from a friend who was watching EuroSport (I think) and saw the crash.

Over the evening, more and more news came and I was totally devastated. It was the saddest Easter ever...

The next day, at school (I was a senior in high-school then) a few of my colleagues were literally crying.
It was a huge emotion and it lasted for quite a long while.

But it's a bit late now, many years passed and, well, things move on.
Rest in peace, Ayrton.

[AdrianM]

I'm definetly going to get the CD :up:

[A3]

Got it, not dissapointed. The booklet that came with with is was a nice read while listening to the CD. Hearing Olav Mol (the author of the CD is Dutch) screaming when Senna went off sent chills down my spine again.

[AdrianM]

So its worth it A3?
Did you order it from the site?
I think I better rip out my credit card ;)

[A3]

I got it from a local CD-shop.

Yeah, for me it's worth it.

[AdrianM]

Cool. Thanks A3

[f1gpshop]

how much is the cd?

[kenny]

I ordered my copy in a belgian shop... 20euro, and no shipment costs!