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[tom]

i thought martin knew quite alot about f1 pitstop's , until the silverstone race , i knew the williams' and frentzen would be on 2 stoppers right from the start when they were keeping up with barrichello , then i knew for certrain they were 2 stopping when they pitted reasonably early.

but murray walker [as usual] and martin didn't understand when the williams' piited for the second time ..........now murray's been watching f1 for about 70 years and he doesn't seem to have learnt anything in that time.

martin though he was actually a driver for a few years in f1 and yet he thought the williams drivers were on 1 stoppers .........oh please this is really turning into a farse ....

----------- by the way did you see how pissed off jax looked when he was gettin out of his car in the pitlane , i thought he was gonna smack someone...i wish he had the 2nd ferrari car instead of barrichello.

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[Keith Steele]

i wish he had the 2nd ferrari car instead of barrichello.

I'll second that..


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[Ray Bell]

I think he was cheesed because Trulli clipped him and damaged his car....

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[busternuck]

Well we had Chris Goodwin (ex-BTCC driver I think) on our feed - he was not bad. His team goes easy on the superlatives and exxaggerations when commentating. He made no mistakes about the two-stoppers - it was obvious that the Bimmers and Jordans were on two stopper since they were on pace with the Macs & Ferrari.

[130R]

I was also surprised that they didn't see the obvious. Decent race, nonetheless.

[tallguy]

Thats a bloody harsh title Tom !
Martin is usually bang on and a pleasure to listen to IMO.
He made a mistake......we all do.....imagine trying to commentate with Murray, he'd put anyone off

[Indian Chief]

Busternuck, You get Goodwin and slater in Malaysia, too?
Goodwin is good, isn't he? He has racing experience which helps a lot..

[Nikolas Garth]

Brundle also claimed to be at a loss to explain how Schuey was so much faster than Hakky at Brazil.(2 stopper vs 1 stopper).

I think Brundle knows, but for whatever reason plays "dumb".

[Rich]

You also need to remember that Martin and Murray are not isolated from the telecast, and left to do their own thing. They're both wearing headphones, and the director is constantly giving them instructions like 'Murray, cue James Allan in pitlane' or 'Martin, Louise is ready to interview H2F - intro that please.' or 'Murray, cue ad break in ten seconds'.

A telecast is a VERY hectic event, and there's a whole bunch of communication going on between control room, commentators, trackside interviewers etc. It's not easy to commentate AND listen to all the cross-talk AND follow the race AND remember what everyone's done, who's pitted and who hasn't etc.

Let me put it this way - it's a heck of a lot easier to sit at home and follow the race undisturbed than it is for commentators who have to help co-ordinate the entire telecast. Commentary mistakes are not professional, but they're certainly understandable.

[Rich]

Nik, as I recall Martin wasn't mystified as to why MS was faster than Hakky in Brazil, but rather as to why MS was so much faster. Martin said that the teams had worked out roughly .6-.7 laptime difference between a one-stopper and two-stopper pace. At that stage, MS was a second per lap quicker than Mika, sometimes even more. Martin was simply wondering where MS was finding the extra .3-.4, especially considering (after qualifying) that he was supposedly driving a slightly slower car.

[John B]

Tom, he did complement Hakkinen last week: "I've been teammates with both Schumacher and Hakkinen, and believe me there's no one like Mika in qualifying."

[Alfisti]

Yeah i don't know if Murray has been sukcing the brains out of Martin or what (then spitting them out because he's getting worse by the race) because this year Martin has been as lost as Murray sometimes which is a real worry.

I swear i nearly kicked the tv in with absolute ignorance and farcical mistakes of both commentators. How the heck they didn't see Frentzen and the Williams boys pitting a 2nd time was beyond me... BECAUSE JAMES ALLEN TOLD THEM 10 LAPS BEFORE THEY PITTED THAT THEY HAD TO STOP AGAIN......WELL DUH!!!!!

It sounds nit picky but it does get very annoying because they spend 20 minutes discussing how well Ralf and Button have done and it is all for nothing as they are way off the mark.

Other stuff **** me as well. When DC cma out behind MS (who hadn't pitted yet), both Murray and Martin were gibbering on about how RB got out in front of them somehow... but he hadn't pitted yet!!! 5 minutes later they figured it was MS. Also, if i hear Murray call someone (usually Button) passing Frentzen when it is really a Minardi I will send him a letter bomb i swear it.

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[Nikolas Garth]

Rich,
That may be the case(in fact I'm sure it is), but Martin still failed to give his opinion as to how many stops Schumacher was on in Brazil. Also, when Schuey was on full fuel, he was at Mika's pace when Mika was at full fuel. So he was still playing "dumb" or he couldn't work out the difference in pace between a 1 stopper vs 2 stopper.

[Sean L]

Both MW and MB were so excited to have Button running in the top 6 that they really wanted to believe that the Williams' were on the pace with the Macs and Ferraris on equal fuel.

[Spinoza]

I think Brundle must spend a lot of time looking at Coulthard's lap times - and misses a lot of other things as a result. His backing of DC is so obvious - and shouldn't be allowed. Is there another TV commentator who is on the payroll of one of the competitors he commentates on?

[P1 Pyrsol]

Originally posted by Rich:
A telecast is a VERY hectic event, and there's a whole bunch of communication going on between control room, commentators, trackside interviewers etc. It's not easy to commentate AND listen to all the cross-talk AND follow the race AND remember what everyone's done, who's pitted and who hasn't etc.

Erhm, umm, but they're receiving and cashing a paycheck to do it. Here in the States Speedy has the SUPER DROLL Sam Posey. What a farce!

Hey Speedvision! Ever hear of

ALAIN DE CADENET!!!

PLEASE,

P1 Pyrsol

[ZippyD]

Don't complain.
You could get stuck with the insufferable Sam Posey. How did this guy ever get a commentary job?

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[FlagMan]

Remember one thing folks - M&M have to give a commentary for about 1.5 hours, when there is absolutly sod all really happening on the track, and they are talking mainly to an audience who have only a fraction of knowledge of F1 that most posters on this board 'think' they have - so if they appear to be talking down to you 'knowledgable' few its pretty understandable.

As I have posted before - if you think you can do better then try it - next GP equipe yourself with a microphone and tape recorder - turn the sound off on your TV and record your own commentary - I wager that when you play it back afterwards you will look at commentators in a new light. Oh, and by the way, if you want to be really authentic - swap you normal TV for a 15 inch screen model.

[John]

tom,
congrats at being so perceptive and brilliant on the F1 strategy and the teams.

If you took a look at the pit stop times, and account for people who get away fast, slow, or whatever, it didn't see, like they were putting in so much less fuel in the Williams than they were the Mac's. Call me dumb, but I was surprised to see Jordon and Williams pit again. And YES, it was Martin who mentioned the fact that Frentzen would be pitting again while he was leading the race so a win for Jordon was unlikely.

I have yet to listen/see a perfect commentator, so don't get your knickers in a twist. M&M are still much better than at least the other 90% of them out there.

[Williams]

Viewers who get THAT upset about a couple of braodcast mistakes from M&M should try simply turning off the sound, period. You're smart, you have the positions showing at the bottom of the screen periodically and you can what some of the cars are doing on the track, so you really don't need the commentary. Just turn it off. I wager it won't be long before the sound is back on, and you are more willing to put with a few miscues.

[tom]

john , why did you think frentzen and the williams' were on 1 stoppers?..........you were watching the silverstone race right?

righto i spose i was being bit picky.

but doesn't it piss you guys off that those guys get payed more than enough to get pitstop strategy's wrong............when i could do a heeps better job and get the strategy's right for the viewers?

i agree that martin/murray are great comentators to listen to but i just think they deserve a good rubbishing in the press for being wrong.

if a driver spin's off he gets a hiding in the press, if a commentator stuffs up he gets away with it............doesn't sound fair to me.

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[Daemon]

I must say that I used to like Martin Brundles commentary. This year he is really pissing me off. Don't ask me what hes doing, but somethings wrong. Doesn't make sense to you, me neither...

[Fisticus]

I'm with Daemon on this one, i used to really enjoy Brundle's commentary, but something's changed this year.
He used to sound much more enthusiastic about ALL the drivers, and it was great listening to a "real" drivers perspesctive on incidents during the race, reagrdless of which driver/team was involved.
now he seems to have his one or two favourites, (& a real attitude about many of the others) which strongly comes through on the commentary.....

i still like having him there though, perhaps he just wishes he was still on the track!!!

[StuffedBeaver]

It is all so reassuring that there are so many perfect people on this board who never ever make mistakes.

The only thing that discncerts me is that Brundle is DC's manager so can not hope to be 100% objective in his commentary, other than that I think they are a very good team together.

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[Alfisti]

To those who say we shouldn't get upset about them stuffing up and should try commentating ourselves... WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP. I don't think Brundle or Murray could walk in to my office and just run the room.... why??? because they are not paid to... i am paid to do it and i do it well or i am turfed. They should be able to do their job properly..... Silverstone was a farce.

I am with Damon on Brundle though i know why he's ******* me... 'cause he used to correct Murray's errors and now he's simply contributing to them.

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[Spinoza]

And, as I said, I think it all comes down to the intensity of his absurd interest in Coulthard which is to the detriment of his commentating. How is he allowed to get away with this ? Did you see the interview after Silverstone between Rosenthal and Brundle where Rosenthal referred to Coulthard as being Brundle's "man". Embarrassing. Brundle was beside himself with concern to put over Coulthard's side of the story. A real cheek - is he a TV commentator or an employee of Coulthard's?

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[doohanOK]

I'd have to disagree with most of you and say that I think that Martin Brundle is doing a superb job, combined with Murray, James and Louise.

They certainly make the race telecast worthwhile. If it wasn't for them, I'd probably not watch F1 on tv.

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[JaqFan]

I don't really doubt that Brundle is a decent commentator.

Keep in mind that although he didn't ever win a Formula One race in his whole career, he sure talks like he'd won a few Championships.

[tom]

yeah , it's called arragance jaqfan.

the way he talks you'd think he was the best driver ever.......but when he was teammates with mika and schumi he was consistently a whole second off their pace...............he's got no right to be mouthing off the way he does......

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[JaqFan]

Yeah, I know.

Like sometimes he says something along the lines of "us top drivers". Once (I think in Silverstone a few weeks ago) he was talking about how all the "top" drivers kept in constant contact with the pits during qualifying or something to let the team know what's going on. Then he added, "I remember I always used to do that". (i.e, he reckons he's pretty damn good).

Arrogance is maybe a bit strong for describing Brundle...maybe 'wishful thinker' would be a better tag.

[Mumbler]

I think some of you are rough on MB as a driver. Although he never won, he was a very consistent driver, usually in division two tackle. I'm not claiming that he was a God amongst drivers, but give him his due if his machinery was up to it he usually brought it home in the points. A valued quality in some circles.

[BrundleBud]

Hey! Give a guy a break!

He makes a few small errors and you're all over him, it's not like he cost someone a world championship or anything. If you'd been GM of the Orioles you'd all have retired Cal after '98!

[Peeko]

Isn't anyone ever happy anymore??

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