Since I believe that three cars were built and two were destroyed at accidents and one car residing at the Rosso-Bianco Museum in Aschaffenburg, Germany so this car must be a reproduction?
Maserati Tipo 151 replica?
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Rainer Nyberg
, Apr 13 2002 14:41
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Rainer Nyberg
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Posted 13 April 2002 - 14:41
At http://www.classicsc...i/maserati.html there is a Maserati Tipo 151 for sale. Click on the link for images.
Since I believe that three cars were built and two were destroyed at accidents and one car residing at the Rosso-Bianco Museum in Aschaffenburg, Germany so this car must be a reproduction?
Since I believe that three cars were built and two were destroyed at accidents and one car residing at the Rosso-Bianco Museum in Aschaffenburg, Germany so this car must be a reproduction?
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Doug Nye
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Posted 13 April 2002 - 14:56
Hang on - is this the car built from Californian 'right of title' paperwork and not much else??? In which case it's 20 Grand's worth of enjoyable junk...
The 'blob-shaped' Coupe at Aschaffenburg replicates that in which 'Lucky' Casner was killed during the Le Mans Test Weekend, 1965. Owner Peter Kaus also has a perfectly genuine original-style 151 as well, however. Presumably this is not Peter's replica.....?
The original blob-shaped Coupe was the Maserati-France car owned by Col. Johnny Simone which ran in uprated body form as here, while its original 1962-63 bodyshell (having been removed) survived in store on the Maserati factory's famous mezzanine floor in Modena.
The three originally 1962-built cars were somewhat confusingly chassis-serialled '2, '4' and '6 - the first being the French entry, the later pair Briggs Cunningham's. One of the Cunningham cars was fitted with a Ford V8 engine for Daytona '63 where - if I'm recalling this right - it sparked a wonderfully heroic story - being crashed and burned out while driven by Marvin Panch. The burned driver was hauled out of the blaze by helpers including obscure driver 'Tiny' Lund who got the injured Panch's car for the Daytona '500', and won... Skip Hudson acquired the second car with Maserati V8 engine retained. The Maserati France car was fited with a 5-litre V8 for 1963 before its heavy modification for 1964 as Tipo '151/3', then 1965 as the Tipo '151/4'. There has been talk for years of what American lawyers (but nobody who knows squat) seem to regard as 'a legal entity' being hawked around in the US based upon paperwork only after bits of the Daytona car (I think, or was this a 450S????) were 'dozed into a landfill site.
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The 'blob-shaped' Coupe at Aschaffenburg replicates that in which 'Lucky' Casner was killed during the Le Mans Test Weekend, 1965. Owner Peter Kaus also has a perfectly genuine original-style 151 as well, however. Presumably this is not Peter's replica.....?
The original blob-shaped Coupe was the Maserati-France car owned by Col. Johnny Simone which ran in uprated body form as here, while its original 1962-63 bodyshell (having been removed) survived in store on the Maserati factory's famous mezzanine floor in Modena.
The three originally 1962-built cars were somewhat confusingly chassis-serialled '2, '4' and '6 - the first being the French entry, the later pair Briggs Cunningham's. One of the Cunningham cars was fitted with a Ford V8 engine for Daytona '63 where - if I'm recalling this right - it sparked a wonderfully heroic story - being crashed and burned out while driven by Marvin Panch. The burned driver was hauled out of the blaze by helpers including obscure driver 'Tiny' Lund who got the injured Panch's car for the Daytona '500', and won... Skip Hudson acquired the second car with Maserati V8 engine retained. The Maserati France car was fited with a 5-litre V8 for 1963 before its heavy modification for 1964 as Tipo '151/3', then 1965 as the Tipo '151/4'. There has been talk for years of what American lawyers (but nobody who knows squat) seem to regard as 'a legal entity' being hawked around in the US based upon paperwork only after bits of the Daytona car (I think, or was this a 450S????) were 'dozed into a landfill site.
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Rainer Nyberg
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Posted 13 April 2002 - 16:12
Doug, then this must be the car produced by remains from the crashed 151s. Seems also like Maserati still around circa 1980 still had loads of parts and parted them out at that time. Peter Kaus managed to get a official go-ahead from Maserati to build a reproduction of the 151/3. Allegretti made the body from original jigs. So this car must have been built around 1980. So it should be advertised as a replica or rather a reproduction car.
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Posted 13 April 2002 - 20:04
The crass stupidity of some of these Flash Harry dealerships is irritating, isn't it? Stupid wide-angle lens used in every posted shot of the car today, making the images so distorted it's impossible to judge whether the car's right, wrong or indifferent. The archive shots on that site show the Maserati France car in 1964 trim. Can't find a price either? As I said, it just looks like 20 Grands' worth of junk....ummm....but in what currency? Euros??? Nah, possibly Aussie dollars???? But I doubt it...
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Michael Müller
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Posted 13 April 2002 - 23:05
Only want to remind you that the owner of the "classicscar" website (btw, anybody able to spot any information about company details, location, ownership, or similar on the whole website?) is the person to whom Martin Krejci sold the data of his original WSPR sports car racing statistical website, and after Martin refused to "update" the site with incorrect details - as .e.g. chassis numbers -, this person threatened him with legal actions.
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Posted 15 April 2002 - 10:07
I believe that company is located in Belgium but can't add much. This particular Maserati is for sale for a long time now and it must be a replica, like one recently auctioned in Amelia Island. http:www.rmauctions.com/img/carpics/AM02_119_1.jpg This green car was offered for $35.000 but remained unsold.
