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[MCH]

http://www.petitiono...2/petition.html

Go there!

[Bjorn]

Done.

[MattFoster]

Done

[AlesiGOD]

I've done it, but if Dave Kaemmer is no longer with Papyrus, then it is probably not going to happen...

[Linus27]

I am number 695.

Just something I posted in case you think it is a waste of time.

All you guys who say it won't happen because of cost have no clue whatsoever. I work for a company that has many production lines. The line I work on makes enough money to pay for wages, bills, costs and everything else. All the other lines are pure profit and the company each year makes a bigger profit. Now this could very easily apply to Sierra/Papy. The Nascar series of games pays for everything and anything the GPL 1 and 2 makes is pure profit. You can't have one without the other. Put it like this, if Sierra is not making a profit out of the Nascar series then they would had axed it and killed of Papy. The GPL brand is a good point and so is the fan base that has been built up in comparison to how well Crammonds GP2 did after the buzz of GP1. GPL2 should be a bigger success than GPL1 simply for these factors.

Stop being so negative. Is it so much effort to sign a petition. Not surprised nothing gets done if thats the negative attitude.

[AlesiGOD]

Don't forget to get your friends & relatives to sign it!

[Drinky]

Done. Haven't played GPL for quite some time, but I'd sure like to see what an improved GPL would look like. I'd suggest this thread be made sticky, but that wouldn't make it stand out in this forum...;)

[Viktor]

Done! Lets hope for the best!

/Viktor

[mahelgel]

done, even suggested to a friend on IRC that he signed the petition asap

[Brent]

Done.

I posted this in the GPL2 post, here it is again. Notice Alison says post hard-copy letters, not emails....

LGH:
Your comments about the cars you want to drive, somehow triggers the inevitable question - What do you think about WSC? Will it bring us all those cars?

AH: (Alison Hine)
Ahh, I don't know. I really, really hope it does.

Actually, I thought you were going to ask about GPL2, but if you want good news, then don't ask me about it… I would absolutely love to have GPL2, and I am very sure that Dave Kaemmer & co. would be delighted to do it. But from the best that I can determine (and this is not official!) it is not going to happen, at least any time soon.

I think there are also people in Europe that want it to happen, but at the corporate level, there are too many other projects that have higher priority and get the resources. Don't forget, developing a game is not just development costs, it's marketing and distribution costs, and that comes out of corporate budget. The corporation looks at all the proposed games for a given year, and says, “which of these games have the best chance of a good return?” The ones that look like the biggest sellers get the resources, including marketing and distribution resources.

I would suggest a giant letter-writing campaign, to all branches of Sierra and Vivendi - hard copy, not email! Bury them in a blizzard demanding GPL2. A very large pile of hard copy letters on the desks at corporate headquarters will make GPL2 look like a much better risk, in my opinion. It will give Papy more leverage to push for something like GPL2, something other than NASCAR.


http://www.racesimce...r/letter1.shtml

[FucF1]

http://www.petitiono...2/petition.html

Sign this now....right now!!!!!

[The Swerve]

Never gonna happen. Dave Kammer has left papy anyway I believe. But I signed it anyway.

[The Soul Stealer]

Done

[howardt]

Yeah, likewise. It'll never happen ,but I signed it anyway so I can dream & be happy.

[Flying Panda]

I will not sign it for the reason I have posted in the 200 thread exatly the saem as this.

GPL2 will be pure disspointment. They cant make a better game than GPL, so why bother trying?
How can you improve on perfection?

[prettyface]

FP, they could improve the tire modelling, for instance. GPL cars can't drive on non-flat roads (crowned roads, concave bankings like Brooklands, etc) because the contact patch disappears and only the edges of the tires are used, then the car spins. They could also include weather, physics for 70's winged cars (Lauda! Hunt! Peterson! Villeneuve!) or 50's front-engined cars (Fangio! Moss! Ascari!) and 3D sound. I'd be glad if they released GPL 1 over again with those added features.

But like hell it will happen!

So glad WSC is in the pipeline.

[AlesiGOD]

Originally posted by prettyface


So glad WSC is in the pipeline.

[JR]

Sorry guys but it's utterly futile. ;-(

[Buford]

Originally posted by Flying Panda
I will not sign it for the reason I have posted in the 200 thread exatly the saem as this.

GPL2 will be pure disspointment. They cant make a better game than GPL, so why bother trying?
How can you improve on perfection?

The cars do not have nearly enough grip. Anybody could drive a 1960s F1 car around at 30 to 40 MPH without flying off the track. But you can't in GPL without a lot of practice. It is nowhere near perfection. The crash physics are off. Cars didn't fly up in the air when given a little bump like they do in GPL. And the AI drivers could be a lot smarter. Real F1 drivers did not run into you from behind all the time. Not saying it isn't a wonderful game. But if they did it today it would be much better because they have learned.

GPL is the first one that got it anywhere near correct. The era tracks, many of them I have seen and the North American ones I raced on a decade later are terrific. Driving at the limit may have been as difficult in a real F1 car as it is in GPL. But driving at half speed would have been simple for anybody with a driver's liscense who could drive a stick shift. In GPL it is insanely hard at any speed. That proves it is not anywhere near being perfection.

[karlth]

Originally posted by AlesiGOD

http://www.simbin.co...-MugDiaPrev.jpg

[AlesiGOD]

From what game?

Btw. Buford is right, GPL lacks a lot of low speed grip...

[A3]

Done.

[mahelgel]

Allready signed the petition, but i don't really think it will mater that much but one can hope

[AlesiGOD]

Up to 2300, don't forget to get your aunties & uncles to sign aswell..

[The Swerve]

Originally posted by AlesiGOD
Up to 2300, don't forget to get your aunties & uncles to sign aswell..

And this is why Papyrus will not take the petition seriously - because they will just assume that it has been filled up with peoples aunties and uncles. If people really want to petition then they need to write a proper letter (as Alison Hine mentioned) because an online petition is nearly worthless.

[Rolandgunslinger]

Don't be so negative JR ;)

[Linus27]

JR

Why??

[The Kanisteri]

Done.

[Bernd]

Swerve it isn't Papy that is the issue, they want to do it! It is there publisher Sierra that have the go/no on games and they will never say go even with 5000 signatures as that is only the sales figures they want from a small country like Australia.... World Wide 5000... forget it.
As for letters you would never get near that many as people as just too lazy to take the time required to write one.

[Ricardo F1]

Originally posted by Bernd
Swerve it isn't Papy that is the issue, they want to do it! It is there publisher Sierra that have the go/no on games and they will never say go even with 5000 signatures as that is only the sales figures they want from a small country like Australia.... World Wide 5000... forget it.
As for letters you would never get near that many as people as just too lazy to take the time required to write one.

The fact is there is no way the GPL2 would make money. Sad but true.

[The Swerve]

Originally posted by Bernd
Swerve it isn't Papy that is the issue, they want to do it! It is there publisher Sierra that have the go/no on games and they will never say go even with 5000 signatures as that is only the sales figures they want from a small country like Australia.... World Wide 5000... forget it.
As for letters you would never get near that many as people as just too lazy to take the time required to write one.

If people can't be arsed to write a letter and post it then why should Sierra be arsed to consider the request?

You know all I want for GPL is a tyre and brake patch. Something to better model the tyre wear and contact patch and also brake wear. The tyre stuff is already done and exists in N2002 etc so it would simply be a case of adding the code to GPL. They could easily do this and then sell the patch online or operate a pre-order thing. Pretty much everyone in the GPL community would pony up the cash IMHO.

[Brent]

Agreed Swerve

[Bernd]

Yep can't argue with that and the sales would definately cover costs and make a small profit. That is really all I want as well, though the editing tools being released would be very nice as there is no way it was as hard for Papy to make tracks as it is for us poor bums.

[Type61]

Done deal. 3829 and counting. I don't think it has a prayer, but it doesn't hurt to try.

[Uwe]

Originally posted by The Swerve

You know all I want for GPL is a tyre and brake patch. Something to better model the tyre wear and contact patch and also brake wear. The tyre stuff is already done and exists in N2002 etc so it would simply be a case of adding the code to GPL. They could easily do this and then sell the patch online or operate a pre-order thing. Pretty much everyone in the GPL community would pony up the cash IMHO.

What definitely lacks in GPL is weather. Bring on some rain...

[The Swerve]

Yeah weather too I guess. Although I'm not that bothered about it.

[tyrrellp34]

Done, but will help nothing!!!