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[CART]

First oval race of the year!


1.548 mile egg-shaped oval

1998- Fernandez
1999- Fernandez
2000- Andretti
2001- Brack

Track Record- De Ferran 219.000 in 1999


Results from Practice 1:


1 K. Brack 12 Toyota/Lola/Bridgestone 26.315 211.773 340.806

2 P. Tracy 26 Honda/Reynard/Bridgestone 26.318 211.749 340.768 0.003

3 B. Junqueira 4 Toyota/Lola/Bridgestone 26.332 211.636 340.586 0.017 0.014

4 T. Kanaan 10 Honda/Reynard/Bridgestone 26.346 211.524 340.406 0.031 0.014

5 C. da Matta 6 Toyota/Lola/Bridgestone 26.366 211.363 340.146 0.051 0.020

6 C. Fittipaldi 11 Toyota/Lola/Bridgestone 26.378 211.267 339.992 0.063 0.012

7 C. da Matta 6X Toyota/Lola/Bridgestone 26.441 210.764 339.183 0.126 0.063

8 D. Franchitti 27 Honda/Reynard/Bridgestone 26.478 210.469 338.708 0.163 0.037

9 T. Bell 20 Toyota/Reynard/Bridgestone 26.571 209.732 337.522 0.256 0.093

10 P. Carpentier 32 Ford-Cosworth/Reynard/Bridgestone 26.613 209.401 336.989 0.298 0.042

11 C. Fittipaldi 11X Toyota/Lola/Bridgestone 26.617 209.370 336.939 0.302 0.004

12 S. Dixon 7 Toyota/Lola/Bridgestone 26.688 208.813 336.043 0.373 0.071

13 A. Tagliani 33 Ford-Cosworth/Reynard/Bridgestone 26.704 208.688 335.842 0.389 0.016

14 J. Vasser 8 Ford-Cosworth/Lola/Bridgestone 26.748 208.345 335.290 0.433 0.044

15 T. Takagi 5 Toyota/Reynard/Bridgestone 26.850 207.553 334.015 0.535 0.102

16 M. Papis 22 Ford-Cosworth/Lola/Bridgestone 26.876 207.352 333.692 0.561 0.026

17 M. Andretti 39 Honda/Reynard/Bridgestone 26.898 207.183 333.420 0.583 0.022

18 M. Jourdain Jr. 9X Ford-Cosworth/Lola/Bridgestone 26.932 206.921 332.998 0.617 0.034

19 P. Tracy 26X Honda/Reynard/Bridgestone 26.961 206.699 332.641 0.646 0.029

20 M. Andretti 39X Honda/Reynard/Bridgestone 26.982 206.538 332.382 0.667 0.021

21 O. Servia 17 Toyota/Lola/Bridgestone 27.047 206.041 331.582 0.732 0.065

22 K. Brack 12X Toyota/Lola/Bridgestone 27.068 205.881 331.324 0.753 0.021

23 M. Dominguez 16 Ford-Cosworth/Lola/Bridgestone 27.107 205.585 330.848 0.792 0.039

24 S. Nakano 52 Honda/Lola/Bridgestone 27.109 205.570 330.824 0.794 0.002

25 M. Jourdain Jr. 9 Ford-Cosworth/Lola/Bridgestone 27.111 205.555 330.800 0.796 0.002

26 A. Fernandez 51 Honda/Lola/Bridgestone 27.352 203.744 327.885 1.037 0.241

27 A. Fernandez 51X Honda/Lola/Bridgestone 27.407 203.335 327.227 1.092 0.055

28 O. Servia 17X Toyota/Lola/Bridgestone 27.555 202.243 325.470 1.240 0.148

29 S. Nakano 52X Honda/Lola/Bridgestone 28.307 196.870 316.823 1.992 0.752

30 B. Junqueira 4X Toyota/Lola/Bridgestone 28.662 194.432 312.899 2.347 0.355

31 S. Dixon 7X Toyota/Lola/Bridgestone 29.043 191.881 308.794 2.728 0.381

32 T. Bell 20X Toyota/Reynard/Bridgestone 29.116 191.400 308.020 2.801 0.073

33 T. Takagi 5X Toyota/Reynard/Bridgestone

[Kaiser]

Was this the friday session,,, so Brack gets a front row grid spot, and the bonus point?

[CART]

Its actually thursday practice. Only bonus point will be for qualifying on Friday.

[CART]

http://timing.vfx.co...rt/CART_800.asp


Here's the live timing link. It will have the results from the most recent session. Junky fastest of the day with a lap over 214.

[RiverRunner]

Looks like Honda wants this one,it's their home track and they have never won one there.
Somebody spung the dough for Franchitti and Andretti to be in spankin' new Lolas,known for Oval prowess last year.
But looks like Toyota ain't giving up that easy,nor is Reynard.Junquiera broke the 25 second mark (214 mph) in a 'yota
Actually I've always thought Motegi holds a pretty decent oval race,nice track and plenty wide for more than one line.

[aportinga]

Looks like Honda also may want in on the IRL....

http://www.autosport...18728&series=18

In anycase, this should be a really great - despite being broadcasted tape delay Regardless it looks like yet another great racing weekend

[MichiganF1]

Kenny Brack may be the best oval racer in the world.

[Locai]

Originally posted by RiverRunner
But looks like Toyota ain't giving up that easy,nor is Reynard.

Is there even anything left of Reynard? I was under the impression that the teams were pretty much left on their own.

[laneatkins]

Honda in the IRL - what is the world coming to?

What are they thinking? How can a company like Honda be interested in driving in circles all season? The IRL started as a joke and now its been told so many times people are starting to take it seriously. Next somebody will tell me that MG wants to build a CART engine.

There's no place like home, there's no place like home, there's no place like home...

[Andre]

Wow! Has Molive been abducted by aliens? He's always the first to open the CART race thread.


Nice to see Honda interested in the IRL. It's going to be interesting to see Honda being beaten by all major manufactures, bar Ford, in F1 and losing to Chevrolet and Nissan in Indianapolis. hahaha!

It seems CART has adopted the superspeedway wings for the short ovals. I hope it provides good racing because it's going to be tough to stay awake till 2 am knowing I'll have to wake up at 7:00 on saturday.

[molive]

Originally posted by Andre
Wow! Has Molive been abducted by aliens? He's always the first to open the CART race thread.

Heck! somebody beat me to it!!

Actually, I was on a business trip, just got back today, I´m glad to see that CART was here to start the usual CART race comment thread.

I´m still catching up with the news... B back with comments later.

[CART]

Originally posted by molive



Heck! somebody beat me to it!!

Actually, I was on a business trip, just got back today, I´m glad to see that CART was here to start the usual CART race comment thread.

I´m still catching up with the news... B back with comments later.

I figured that maybe with practice beginning wednesday night you just forgot.

[TheWhiteRabbit]

Originally posted by laneatkins
Honda in the IRL - what is the world coming to?

What are they thinking? How can a company like Honda be interested in driving in circles all season? The IRL started as a joke and now its been told so many times people are starting to take it seriously. Next somebody will tell me that MG wants to build a CART engine.

There's no place like home, there's no place like home, there's no place like home...

ummmm....

CART pulled a 1.0 TV rating for thier 'premiere' event. The IRL did a 1.6 on a short oval...one that CART used to run...

[Schuting Star]

Being British I only got into CART in 1998 when I first got Eurosport. I was really disappointed to find at the start of this year that they were no longer covering it but now I see that Sky have it . Unfortunately it means an early start on Saturday morning but its worth it!

[MONTOYASPEED]

Originally posted by MichiganF1
Kenny Brack may be the best oval racer in the world.

The best oval racer in the world drives the # 6 Williams-BMW.

Watch the 2000 Michigan 500.

[random]

If Honda are going to built an IRL engine, why not for Cart as well? From 04 on it's basically the same specification, right?

[CART]

Results from Practice 3:


P. Tracy 26 Honda/Reynard/Bridgestone 25.822 215.816

2 B. Junqueira 4 Toyota/Lola/Bridgestone 25.830 215.749

3 T. Kanaan 10 Honda/Reynard/Bridgestone 25.918 215.017

4 K. Brack 12 Toyota/Lola/Bridgestone 25.986 214.454

5 P. Carpentier 32 Ford-Cosworth/Reynard/Bridgestone 26.015 214.215

6 D. Franchitti 27 Honda/Reynard/Bridgestone 26.020 214.174

7 C. da Matta 6 Toyota/Lola/Bridgestone 26.082 213.665 343.851

8 J. Vasser 8 Ford-Cosworth/Lola/Bridgestone 26.095 213.558 343.679

9 A. Tagliani 33X Ford-Cosworth/Reynard/Bridgestone 26.179 212.873

10 S. Dixon 7 Toyota/Lola/Bridgestone 26.208 212.637

11 T. Bell 20 Toyota/Reynard/Bridgestone 26.229 212.467

12 M. Andretti 39 Honda/Reynard/Bridgestone 26.235 212.419

13 A. Fernandez 51 Honda/Lola/Bridgestone 26.280 212.055

14 T. Takagi 5 Toyota/Reynard/Bridgestone 26.289 211.982

15 C. Fittipaldi 11 Toyota/Lola/Bridgestone 26.334 211.620

16 M. Jourdain Jr. 9X Ford-Cosworth/Lola/Bridgestone 26.368 211.347

17 M. Papis 22 Ford-Cosworth/Lola/Bridgestone 26.374 211.299

18 S. Nakano 52 Honda/Lola/Bridgestone 26.606 209.457

19 M. Dominguez 16 Ford-Cosworth/Lola/Bridgestone 26.640 209.189

20 O. Servia 17 Toyota/Lola/Bridgestone 26.652 209.095

[molive]

If Brack is not the best oval racer, he's one of the top 3.

Amazingly, the ex-rookie Bruno J has turned into a very decent oval racer himself, despite having a road background. I'm sure that Chip is happy for keeping BJ in his team.

Cristiano & Newman Haas look a bit out of it, even tough 7th is not that bad. IMO they just have to make sure that both CDM and CF score some points. Regularity is what counts in a close field like CART's. GDF is the best example of regularity beating both the oval and road race specialists.


btw, 312 PB, I'm still deciding what brand of lager I'll drink for our little BJ vs SD thing...

[Flying Panda]

Originally posted by laneatkins
What are they thinking? How can a company like Honda be interested in driving in circles all season? The IRL started as a joke and now its been told so many times people are starting to take it seriously.

:yawn: :yawn: :yawn: :yawn: :yawn:

Originally posted by MONTOYASPEED
The best oval racer in the world drives the # 6 Williams-BMW.

Watch the 2000 Michigan 500.

With a little help from Marques the great.

[Andre]

Bruno has outqualified Brack in all three races this season. I think it's fair to say Bruno is a very quick driver over one lap. The problen is he usually gets in trouble during the races. He needs to improve his racecraft. The speed is already there though.

[molive]

Bruno J on pole!

1. Bruno Junqueira (Bra) 25s907
2. Tony Kanaan (Bra) 26s051
3. Paul Tracy (Can) 26s059
4. Kenny Brack (Sue) 26s133
5. Dario Franchitti (Esc) 26s173
6. Patrick Carpentier (Can) 26s206
7. Michael Andretti (EUA) 26s292
8. Cristiano da Matta (Bra) 26s300
9. Jimmy Vasser (EUA) 26s337
10. Townsend Bell (EUA) 26s376
11. Tora Takagi (Jap) 26s398
12. Alex Tagliani (Can) 26s412
13. Michel Jourdain (Mex) 26s430
14. Adrian Fernandez (Mex) 26s485
15. Scott Dixon (Nzl) 26s502
16. Christian Fittipaldi (Bra) 26s594
17. Max Papis (Ita) 26s655
18. Shinji Nakano (Jap) 26s791
19. Mario Dominguez (Mex) 26s847
20. Oriol Servia (Esp) 26s951


Great job by BJ, leaving the oval-meister Brack on the dust. Tony up there too.

CDM in eight, not bad, considering that Christian only managed 16th.

I hope there´s lots of passing among the leaders, I´ll need it to stay awake till 2am watching an oval race. :yawn: :

[LCA]

Originally posted by TheWhiteRabbit


ummmm....

CART pulled a 1.0 TV rating for thier 'premiere' event. The IRL did a 1.6 on a short oval...one that CART used to run...

Look, the ratings are terrible for both series. The WNBA has better ratings. The fact is that if you attend these events you see another side to the equation. CART had about 200,000 cheering Mexicans show up to the Monterray race and over 100,000 fans show up for Long Beach. The IRL typically draws 20,000 or 30,000 and ABC/ESPN has to hide the grandstands from the view of the camera so that people can pretend someone is actually there to watch.

CART is under new management and looks only to be getting better for this year and the next. Adopting the new engine rules will help sponsors keep the racing economical while still offering a global platform to market their product (unlike the IRL). Admittedly the IRL is improving and becoming a more serious racing environment, but the sad fact is that the talent is simply not there. I think you either have to be blind or Tony George to believe that the IRL is a more competitive racing series with greater talent. It is a haven for washed up (Al Unser) or simply awful (Sarah Fisher & Hattori & Treadway & and I could go on...) racing drivers.

As some friends of mine have said before... The IRL is great fun for the "Meat-on-a-Stick" crowd when you're racing in Fontucky, but if you want serious racing, real racing, CART is the only choice.

[molive]

Good post LCA, but I beg to differ on the following:

Originally posted by LCA
Admittedly the IRL is improving and becoming a more serious racing environment, but the sad fact is that the talent is simply not there....It is a haven for washed up (Al Unser) or simply awful.

IMO HCN and GDF are both worth a "exception" in that sentence.

I pretty much agree with everything else you said.

[LCA]

Originally posted by molive
Good post LCA, but I beg to differ on the following:



IMO HCN and GDF are both worth a "exception" in that sentence.

I pretty much agree with everything else you said.

Agreed, and maybe we should include Schekter. Hornish has a lot to prove in my book (Is it just the engines? Can he turn right as well as left?).

If rumors can be trusted (they can't) I understand Gil has already signed a deal to drive in CART for 2003. Excellent news, if it's true...

[Jerry Lee]

Originally posted by LCA
...The IRL is great fun for the "Meat-on-a-Stick" crowd when you're racing in Fontucky...

Hey, are you making fun of my state?

[LCA]

Originally posted by Jerry Lee


Hey, are you making fun of my state?

Hardly, I was born in Huntington, WVA, buddy - so we is fellow rednecks!

I was making fun of generic oval tracks that have sprung up all over the US, like Fontana and Kentucky - get it? Fontucky?

Why go through all the trouble of travelling when you could stay in Kentucky and race the whole season?

[jimm]

Originally posted by Jerry Lee


Hey, are you making fun of my state?

What part of KY are you from?

[molive]

Big News:

CART owners decide to freeze rules

Current rules may be extended to 2004

Derrick Walker says his Reynard won't be developed this year

A meeting of CART's Franchise team owners at Twin Ring Motegi Thursday evening resulted in the decision to continue with CART's current chassis and aerodynamic package for 2003.

A freeze will be implemented for next year's chassis and aero package based on the final specifications at the end of the 2002 season, and that freeze may be extended through 2004.

Team owner Derrick Walker said he supports the decision, but is disappointed that development will be allowed to continue through the rest of this year. Walker said he fought hard for the freeze to take effect immediately.

"This will be detrimental to all of the Reynard teams, because as everyone knows, with Reynard’s financial problems, there will be no further development this year from Reynard," Walker commented.

The decision means that CART will not adopt the Indy Racing League's chassis rules for the 2003 season. However, CART is pressing ahead with plans to switch to a 3.5-litre normally aspirated engine, so adapter kits will be sold to teams to update their current chassis to accept the new engines. MG Rover is the only manufacturer that has officially committed to CART's new engine formula to date, although Cosworth has stated that it has a 2003-spec CART engine under development.

Also discussed but not agreed in the meeting was the concept of limiting teams to a single engine for each race weekend. Walker said he believes such a move could save teams $300,000-400,000 annually.

CART team owners also expressed concern about the use of qualifying engines and would like to see a restriction implemented as soon as possible.

I dunno what worries Walker, didn´t he just buy the NA Reynard?

IMO that´s good news. A freeze will give the series more time to decide whether it´s a good thing to adopt a IRL type of chassis. The engine thing is ok, I gues, with possibly 2 or 3 manufacturers and a limit on the number of powerplants. I wonder if the big names like Honda and Toyota are not reconsidering their leaving the boat now...




On the Motegi race topic, let´s hope we have a good one, with lots of passing and few yellow flags (last year there were only 2).

[Lada Lover]

Speed Channel is not showing the CART race live? I don't understand this.

[LCA]

WOW!

That is some news molive... this is getting more sureal by the day. more later...

[LCA]

Originally posted by Lada Lover
Speed Channel is not showing the CART race live? I don't understand this.

I think it would be on at like 2AM or thereabouts if it was live - so I'll go for the taped delay thanks...

[TheWhiteRabbit]

I just think that the IRL bashing by CART fans at this point is beyond ridiculous...

Next year CART could be down to no major engine manufacturer and only one chasis...down about 150 horsepower....with Ganassi and possibly Team Green gone.

Then what?

[molive]

Originally posted by TheWhiteRabbit
Next year CART could be down to no major engine manufacturer and only one chasis...down about 150 horsepower....with Ganassi and possibly Team Green gone.

If I remember correctly, MG has already signed in for 2003, and Cosworth is "developing a 2003 Spec NA Engine", with a possible 3rh (japanese?) manufacturer to join the ranks.

[Lateralus42]

Whiterabbit this isnt trackforum, no lemmings here sorry. More people like CART than the inferior racing league, if you dont like it too bad.


Congrats on Bruno! I cant wait for the race!

[TheWhiteRabbit]

[Lateralus42]

Yea its really funny. Its funny how the IRL is full of crappy drivers. Watch some real racing this weekend, F1 and CART.


Franchittis 'nose' cam! What was up with that?? Great camera angle but do they need to show his nose??? So distracting!

[Jerry Lee]

Originally posted by jimm


What part of KY are you from?

The Northern Part. Right across the river from Cincinnati. I'm only 30 minutes from the Speedway that LCA was refering to earlier. I went to the first IRL race there because I'd never actually been to a car race. I've been to alot of Unlimited Hydroplane races and I never miss F1 or CART on TV but never actually went to a race. Anyway, they were damn fast. Been considering going to USGP this year since its only about 2 hrs away.

[LCA]

Originally posted by TheWhiteRabbit
I just think that the IRL bashing by CART fans at this point is beyond ridiculous...

But it's just SO easy...

[Lateralus42]

Ashley Judd is from Kentucky too.....mmmmm Ashley.......

[LCA]

Extra-curricular activity aside - I am suprised to see Bruno on the pole. Where did that come from? In LB he had a strong qualifying session and would have finished well but for his slip and slide session, but I'm still alittle suprised. Ganassi hasn't looked strong (or at least by his own demanding standards) for a while now IMHO.

[molive]

Originally posted by LCA
Extra-curricular activity aside - I am suprised to see Bruno on the pole. Where did that come from?

Even tough he won his first race at Road America, BJ has become a really good oval track driver.

Much more surprising, IMO, was when he snatched the pole in Nazareth last year, his 3rd ever race in a champ car.

[jimm]

Originally posted by Jerry Lee


The Northern Part. Right across the river from Cincinnati. I'm only 30 minutes from the Speedway that LCA was refering to earlier. I went to the first IRL race there because I'd never actually been to a car race. I've been to alot of Unlimited Hydroplane races and I never miss F1 or CART on TV but never actually went to a race. Anyway, they were damn fast. Been considering going to USGP this year since its only about 2 hrs away.

I'm in school at U of Louisville so I'm only 1 hr away from Indy (meaning I don't have to worry about hotels for sept.;) ) I used to race karts when I lived down south but I have to drive 2 hrs to race on anything other than an oval up here.

[917k]

CART-the only ''non-spec. series'' that runs one make of chassis[year old at that],one make of tire,adopts the IRL'S ''spec'' engine,tells its drivers when they can pit and what they can do to the car,pulls a red flag to ensure a green finish etc.,etc.

Seriously,CART is the ''defacto spec-series'' these days.So bitterly ironic,isn't it?Exactly what the CARTers ridiculed the iRL for so many years has suddenly become harsh reality.

How do you spin it,CARTers?No chassis development,no chassis choice,engines with god-damn rev-limiters,all because your hero team owners still salivate over Indy.Why do you still support these buffoons anymore?

This trashing of the IRL is really humourous.''Well,at least in CART our spec. crapwagons will rev. to 11,000.That's a full 400 more than those IRL crapwagons.''
''Well,at least in CART our spec. motors will be badged by MG.That's so much better than Chevy,Infiniti or Toyota.

Why isn't there a single CARTer out there that will admit that CART has sold its soul to Tony George?Do you guys really like the ''new'' CART,or is your devotion so slavish that you cannot,or will not admit the truth?I will not hold it against you.

Another thing.This years Lola will be next year's chassis.Problem:the chassis will have to accomodate the larger,heavier 3.5.It was designed for the 2.7,will the thing even fit in there?Remember,this is a stressed member,you don't just plug it in and go.I can see this ''hybrid' car as a real bitch to set-up and getting repeatable results.[by the way,Lat. calling anyone who doesn't like CART a ''lemming'' is gettin' real old real fast.]



CART -''we want to be like the IRL,but in a spec. series kinda way.''

[917k]

Oh yeah,forgot to add....they are going to have to graft a air intake onto these ''mule'' chassis next year.

Could look like a 78 Camaro.

[Andre]

Lemming Alert! Lemming Alert!

Just kidding.

[917k]

The final irony...

.........CART copies the IRL's[hated]engine and chassis' rules to make it easier[cheaper]to do Indy,and because the owners realize that they want to be there.........but..........

..........Tony George changes the rules and CART cannot use the same chassis as the IRL and they cannot use their engines to race at the Indy 500.[neither Cosworth nor Judd are approved suppliers].......so........

.........CART now has to use last years chassis,is stuck with an engine that fans claimed was the anti-christ,lost all its current suppliers[Toyota?],and wears the ''spec-series label[with apparent pride]........and.........

.........CART teams still have to buy all new engines and chassis to compete at Indy.So ,going to Indy remains just as complicated,just as expensive.......so.........

........Why the f*** did they do this,in the 1st place?????????????????

........And you guys think this is moving in the right direction?????????WTF is the WRONG direction.

Jeeesh!

[ruther]

I heard Nelson Piquet likes Bruno Junqueira a lot.

[Lateralus42]

Whats a CART thread without 917 bitching? LOL


GREEN FLAG!!!! GO DARIO!

[StickShift]

Who is that on the picture in the middle of Franchitti's wheel?

[LCA]

You've got some pent up aggression there 917, don't cha?

As to your rant - hey, man, I feel your pain. Do you think as a true CART fan it makes me happy that I won't hear revs at 16 grand anymore? Do you think I like the fact that Reynard went under? Do you think I like the fact that CART has been so badly mismanaged over the years that they all but told some of their biggest supporters (ie Honda, Ford, etc.) to kiss their a*s? Do you think I like watching Toyota moonlight in the IRL? Do you think I like watching Penske, the Captain, jump ship? Do you think I like watching the IRL and Tony "BS" George getting bigger and better at the expense of CART?

If you think I do, you're wrong.

But here is a simple concept for you. I AM NOT A FAIR WEATHER FAN. I won't jump ship and if I go down with it so damn be it.

It does not take a whiz to point out the difficulties CART is facing right now - though I certainly appreciate your noble attempt to do so. But if we are to be honest, like I have been in this post, then you also have to admit that CART will probably survive. We also have to admit that CART has, finally and at long last, found some real leadership to guide it. We also have to admit that Lola can plod along and do a fine job with the chassis and that Toyota will almost certainly be back next year along with Cosworth (maybe as a Mazda) and that MG/Judd is enthusiastic about supplying engines and at least one more unknown manufacturer is likely to announce plans to build a CART engine in June. I have a feeling someone might step in and fill the void in the chassis dept as well (swift?). We have to admit that the IRL is, if not out to get CART, at least not doing the series any favors - this whole chassis freeze is not unrelated to the IRL's announcement that no chassis supplier for the IRL could also build one for CART. We have to admit that CART still offers the best, hell, the only, major open wheel racing series in North America that races on road and street courses which are the true test of driver talent. We have to admit that outside of F1, CART harbors some of the best driving talent in the world. We have to admit that CART is far more sophisticated and nuanced than the "meat-on-a-stick" IRL crowd can handle - and I like that.

So, has CART made mistakes? Yes. Is CART in difficult straights? Yes. Is CART a spec series? No (unless you count at least three engine manufacturers as "spec"). Is the situation as bad as you are straining to make is sound? Certainly not.

Why don't you watch the race this weekend (I have a feeling you won't) and tell me if you think those guys are a bunch of amateurs racing in a spec series. Tell me if you would rather be "taking a ride with Tony George, in a peaceful world" (gag!). Tell me if you see a series on the brink.

Until then, my friend, ease up. Anyone can kick somebody while they're down and mock their ability ever to get up again - but I just hope you won't be cheering when CART is back on its feet, because in my book you are either with us or against us.