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[D. Heimgartner]

Doug Nye's article on the local history of the Austrian GP mentioned this car, the Yardley-liveried BRM P160. I was wondering if some of you guys could give me a bit of info on it, as well as a pic or two...

According to Nye, this car ran in the 1971 season. One of the cars was driven by Swiss ace Jo Siffert to win the 1971 Austrian GP.

[Udo K.]

I could contribute a couple of photos of the car taken at the German Grand Prix in 1971, including a Siffert shot. But I still can't post pictures here, so maybe someone is willing to help and let me know his e-mail. I will send pics by e-mail to him. (Barry, maybe?)

Udo

[David M. Kane]

I saw this car and driver race at the USGP at Watkins Glen. I considering
it, in my humble opinion, to be one of the prettiest GP cars ever. The lines of the car and the paint scheme worked very well together. Also, being a V12 it sounded great too. Tony Southgate got it right!

Unfortunately, BRM just didn't have their act together, they just had too
many cars to take care of. One of the mechanics was actually do an engine
rebuild right in the garage on Saturday because they had run out of fresh
motors. It make for interesting viewing for a young race fan, but it couldn't of been a good thing from a logistics point of view let alone
allowing for maximum power output, etc.

I wonder what Max thought of that!

[CSGPR]

Hi D. Heimgartner


I have some photos of the car from Donington 2000. But I don't quit know how to add them in the forum.


Best regards


Christian

[Vitesse2]

Howden Ganley in the Italian GP 1971:

[Geza Sury]

Here's Jo Siffert at the Glen: (Designer: Tony Southgate)

[Cayman]

Such a nice car, what a pity none are no longer with us

Siffert sadly killed, Watkins Glen GP killed off, Yardley and BRM out of business.

I recall seeing the car at the British GP, even have a photo somewhere.

[D. Heimgartner]

My email is dionysheimgartner@hotmail.com, if you care to send them... But don't feel obligated, I just wanted to get an inkling of its looks.

As a Swiss, I'm very interested in drivers like Clay Regazzoni and Jo Siffert. To be honest, I've never even heard of Siffert before. How many GPs has he won? Could someone give a bit of background where he got his start? And how his racing career ended, tragically it seems...

[CSGPR]

Hi once more

Try this. http://www.editions-...tes-suisses.htm

Hopes it helps

Best

Christian

[Wolf]

Wasn't there a pic of Gary C. standing by P160 posted here recently? Or am I getting something wrong?!? Wasn't Yardley livery a 'norm' for P160s in 1971?

[Wolf]

Udo- if You haven't figured out how to post pics, send them in an e-mail ( wolf@email.atlasf1.com ) to me and I'll post them in here ASAP (hope Barry won't mind a waste of his web-space ;))...

[jarama]

Originally posted by Wolf
Wasn't Yardley livery a 'norm' for P160s in 1971?

Wolf,

Yes, IIRC the P160 BRMs were painted in Yardley colours for the all the '71 WDC races.

[Vitesse2]

Originally posted by jarama


Wolf,

Yes, IIRC the P160 BRMs were painted in Yardley colours for the all the '71 WDC races.

And 1970 too Yardley moved to McLaren for 1973, but somehow the livery didn't look as good on the M19 IMO.

[Wolf]

My sentiments exactly, Richard...;) 'Cept I didn't mention 1970, because I'm quite sure I wouldn't be able to spot the difference betwixt P153 and P160.

[Wolf]

Udo, sorry it took me a while to post these pics, but E-mails were loading so long I thought mail server was down...

I hope You won't mind, but I'll post larger ones as links because they'd slow down thread loading considerably ~600kB each).

http://members.atlas...om/wolf/021.jpg
http://members.atlas...om/wolf/022.jpg
http://members.atlas...om/wolf/023.jpg
http://members.atlas...om/wolf/024.jpg

Here are the smaller ones:









2x OOPS! Donnington pics (first batch of links) are from CSGPR, and I've messed up the links to Udo's pics, but it should be OK now.

[Wolf]

OK, I've fixed the problem now... Definitely.

[fines]

Is that bulky frame in the first picture Tim Parnell?

[Barry Boor]

Sorry I'm a bit late with this but I couldn't find it. It turned up on my old slot-race website!



This is the aforementioned picture with Gary C.

[Doug Nye]

Originally posted by fines
Is that bulky frame in the first picture Tim Parnell?

Yes indeed - little Tim - who of course was a driver in his own right (in roomy cars) before concentrating upon team management duties when his father died suddenly, and unexpectedly, due to a botched appendectomy.

DCN

[CSGPR]

Hi there

The first picture is actually a BRM P 153 look at the nose and you will see it clearly ;) .


Best Regards

Christian

[Roger Clark]

Originally posted by CSGPR
Hi there

The first picture is actually a BRM P 153 look at the nose and you will see it clearly ;) .


Best Regards

Christian

I think you're right but for the wrong reasons. THe 160 had the same nose as the 153 when it first appeared. It got the distintive "shovel" in the non-championship Hockenheim race in June. However, the 153 had external water pipes, which can be seen in this picture.

[Psychoman]

To be honest, I've never even heard of Siffert before. How many GPs has he won? Could someone give a bit of background where he got his start? And how his racing career ended, tragically it seems...

From www.grandprix.com:

In the Porsche works team, while Pedro Rodriguez was referred to as the "Mexican Bandit" so Jo Siffert was affectionately known as the "Crazy Swiss." They were drivers out of absolutely the same mold and were thrown together as teammates and rivals in the BRM F1 squad for 1971. Nicknamed "Seppi" in his youth, this son of a motor trader won the Swiss 350cc motorcycle championship in 1959 before switching to four wheels with a Formula Junior Stanguellini. He graduated to F1 as a privateer in 1962 with a four-cylinder Lotus-Climax, later driving under the Swiss Scuderia Filipinetti banner and in 1964 joined British private owner Rob Walker's team. In 1968, "Seppi" drove superbly into the F1 history books by winning the British Grand Prix at Brands Hatch in Rob's Lotus 49B, beating Chris Amon's Ferrari into second place after a race-long battle. Walker and his wife Betty held Siffert in deep affection and Jo continued to drive for them through to the end of 1969. In 1970, Porsche bankrolled Siffert's seat in a works F1 March, the German company not wishing to lose one of their prize sports car racing aces to rivals Ferrari. His association with March was disastrous, so he was delighted to join Rodriguez at BRM the following season. He was killed in an end-of-season non-championship F1 race at Brands Hatch, the scene of his greatest victory.

[Carlos Jalife]

Wolf the way to recognize the 153 from the 160 is the external water pipes which run at the sides of the cockpit, and the muletto at germany is definitely a 153, unlike the one Ganley is using which is a 160 with the new "shovel" nose, and it was actually first used used in the Dutch GP by Pedro in his memorable battle with Ickx.
Udo any other pitures but from 1970?

[Udo K.]

Sorry, Carlos, I do not have pictures of the 1970 season, when Pedro drove the BRM. This is because the 1970 German Grand Prix was transferred to Hockenheim (a great disappointment for me, as I remember very well). We had to be content with the hastily arranged F2 race...so I missed Pedro racing the BRM.

[John-w]

Hello,

here are some pics from my Yardley-BRM P160 in scale 1/20th.
The kit includes the following decals:
Peter Gethin, winner GP Italy, 1971
Pedro Rodriguez, Paul Ricard, 1971
Manufacterer: IRITANI, Brazil

As a big Siffert-fan, I have built his last car, Brand Hatch 1971.

Here are some pics, more on my homepage.






1971 and 1972 BRM P160


My BRM P160/02 collection in scale 1/43th, 1/20th and 1/12th




John-w

http://www.john-w.de/models/news.htm

[David M. Kane]

A fellow named David Springett from Sacramento, California ran a Yardley P160 at the USGP in 2002. He was parked next to me in the HGP tent. Since I haven't run with that group in years I have lost touch with him. He also has a P206 and P207, I believe. Fatto Gatto might know more he is still active with HGP, you might send him a PM.

Photos are at www.historicgrandprix.com.

I also donated several color slides of the P160 from the USGP to the Racing Library (Int'l Motor Racing Research Center) at Watkins Glen including one of a mechanic rebuilding an engine in the garage, a very unusual race weekend photo.

[Twin Window]

Brilliant work! Please explain the scales; I was only aware of the white metal 1/43 kit, yet yours look like resin. Are the others scratch-built?

[fines]

Can you find the temperature readings for the left rear?

Seriously, top job!!!

[macoran]

Originally posted by John-w



John-w

Sorry Colin, you have to go back to your own pits.


Great modelling, terrific site

[pablominiaturas]

Dear friends I need a flat elevation, plan and engine propelling the P153, P160, P180 profile. Is logically a V12 online at 60, I find almost documentation, have tried their luck in the cutawais chapter.

I hope your help

Thank You

pablominiaturas@yahoo.es

[Dick Dastardly]

My email is dionysheimgartner@hotmail.com, if you care to send them... But don't feel obligated, I just wanted to get an inkling of its looks.

As a Swiss, I'm very interested in drivers like Clay Regazzoni and Jo Siffert. To be honest, I've never even heard of Siffert before. How many GPs has he won? Could someone give a bit of background where he got his start? And how his racing career ended, tragically it seems...

 

Might be worth searching for these:

 

http://www.amazon.co...ords=jo siffert

 

http://www.amazon.co...ords=jo siffert

 

IIRC, Seppi started on bikes then did the nomadic existence of travelling Europe with an F3 on a trailer, living on starting money etc.  Raced for Rob Walker in F1, won the 68 British GP in a Lotus 49 [was that the last privateer win?].....Porsche paid March for them to run him in a 701 in the 70 season [so he wouldn't go to Ferrari for F1 & Sports Cars], moved to Yardley BRM in 71 [alongside Pedro Rodriguez, who was also his team mate in JW Porsche 917s]...won the 71 Austrian GP a few weeks after Rodriguez was killed.....then Jo himself perished at the Oct end-of-season non-championship race at Brands, 3 years after his greatest triumph there [68 British GP]...

[Ray Bell]

Not Yardley, but pertaining to the P160...

http://www.brmp160e10.blogspot.com.au/

I particularly like the photo looking through the twelve empty cylinders from the lower side.