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#1 Barry Boor

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Posted 13 May 2002 - 21:20

Following a Forum link last week, I read the F1 Rejects biography of Signor Starrabba.

I noticed that there were several Italian race circuits mentioned that I could not bring a circuit shape to mind for. In fact, apart from Caserta, I had not even heard of most of them.

So, for the sake of Darren's excellent 'circuit-and-see' site, can anyone point us towards track maps for CASERTA - SASSARI - CALABRIA - MESSINA ?

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#2 danielking

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Posted 13 May 2002 - 23:25

No maps :( , but details of different variants of three of the tracks above:

Sassari
1st Circuit - 1933 - 40.2 km
2nd Circuit - ? - ? km
3rd Circuit - 1954 - 7.73 km "Circuito di Platamona"

Messina
1953 to 1956 - 6.715 km
1958 - 6.020 km

Caserta (Naples)
1928 21.5 km
1929 25.37 km
1951 4.6 km



Also, as nobody asked, here is a list of further Italian tracks for which I have no maps:

Aquilla - 1951 "GP Cidonio"
Avellino - 28-33 - 24.951km "Coppa Principe di Piemonte" / 50 - 9.6km / 51 - 9.57km "Coppa Alberto di Marzo"
Balocco
Belfiore (Mantova)
Belluno
Benevento - 1946 - 2.45km / 1947 - 2.45km "Circuito dell'Angelo"
Bergamo
Biella (Vercelli)
Bologna (Emilia)
Brescia (Multiple layouts)
Busto
Cagliari
Caldaie - 1951 - 3km "VIII Coppa Ascoli" / 1952 "IX Coppa Ascoli"
Camaiore
Campione - 1946 - 1,116 km
Carrara (Apuano)
Casale Monterrato
Casine (Florence) - 1947 - 4.25km
Castel di Lama - 1930 - 11km "I Coppa Ascoli" / 1932 - 9km "II Coppa Ascoli" / 1933-1934 - 11.9km "III & IV Coppa Ascoli"
Celso Bianco - 1925 - 36km "Coppa Etna" / 1926 - 35km "Coppa Etna"
Cesenatico
Circuito Del Sud - 1930 - 901 km
Collemaggio - 1950 - 3.6km
Como
Cosenza
Cravatta - 1949 - 13.2km "GP Pergusa"
Cremona (Crema)
Faenza
Ferrara - 1949 - 163km in Total
Forli (Rimini) - 1947 - 1.68km
Impero (Roma) - 1939 - 10.132 km
Lido di Venezia (Venice) - 1946 - 3.85km
Littorio (Roma / Rome)
Lunio - 1946 - 1.65km "AC Varese"
Macerata (Recanati / Helvia Recina)
Mantova - 1946 - 2.9km / 1948 - 3.0km
Merano
Monte Mario (Roma / Rome)
Montichiari
Novarra - 1947 - 2.34km
Ostia (Roma / Rome)
Parioli (Roma / Rome)
Parma - 1947 - 3km
Perugia
Piacenza - 1947 - 3.3km
Piana - 1930 - 46km "Reggio Calabria"
Piave (Stradella)
Polesine (Roviga)
Pontedera - 1931 - 14km
Pozzo (Verona)
Ravenna (Savio)
Salerno
Siena - 1947 - 1.69km
Teramo - 1949 - 3.210km / 1950 - 3.2km
Tigullio (Rapallo / Genova) - 1949 - 11.100km "AC Genova"
Tortona
Tre Province - 1929-1931 - 128.5km 'Bologna-Pistoia-Modena'
Trieste - 1949 - 15km
Valle Giulia (Roma / Rome)
Varese - 1947 - 3.6km
Vercelli - 1947 - 1.827km / 1948 - 2.8km "Gran Premio di Apertura"
Vigevano - 1947 - 1.8km
Voghera - 1946 / 1947 - 2.3km
Zappelle - 1937 - 53.199km "VI Coppa Ascoli" / 1938 - 6.8km "VII Coppa Ascoli"


A long shot I know, but if anyone can add to the above list or fill in some of the missing details I will be overwhelmed with joy :stoned:

#3 dretceterini

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Posted 14 May 2002 - 02:16

There is a very good new book on the Lake Garda races published by Negri www.negri.it is their website...

#4 Darren Galpin

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Posted 14 May 2002 - 07:12

I've had a map of one of the Rome circuits sent to me recently - I'm not sure what one it is yet, and it isn't on my site yet either. I'm up to my eyeballs at the moment!

#5 Rob29

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Posted 14 May 2002 - 16:08

Seems almost every town in Italy had a race at some time! An excellent summer job for someone.Tour Italy seeking out local records,and aged locals wth long memories!

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Posted 14 May 2002 - 19:57

Barry, if you e-mail me, silva@mat.uniroma1.it, I can send you the map of the circuit of Messina.
Also, wht you mean by Calabria? Is it the Giro di Calabria? That I can send to you also.

#7 gdecarli

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Posted 03 August 2003 - 17:59

Yesterday I went to Bergamo and I took some photos to the old street circuit. I have just posted on my website.
So now I have photos of following old Italian circuits (I post here a sample thumbnail) :
  • Bergamo (1935), 30 photos
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  • Brescia: Montichiari, Circuito della Fascia d'Oro (1907, 1921 and more). A section of this circuit was used also for many Mille Miglia, including 1940 (the only one raced on a "short" circuit, only 165 km). 5 photos
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  • Milano Fiera Campionaria (Fairyground), 21 photos
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  • Milano Parco Sempione (Sempione Park), 28 photos
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  • Monza, including old Pirelli track and High Speed Track; 28 photos
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All these photos are on my website: click on TRACKS - ITALY and choose the track you want.
I think in next days I will visit some more circuit...

Ciao,
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#8 Udo K.

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Posted 03 August 2003 - 20:05

Originally posted by dretceterini
There is a very good new book on the Lake Garda races published by Negri www.negri.it is their website...


That's a good one, even if the English translation is a bitb poor.

Have been to Salo last week. The only landmark I could make out was the chronometre tower, which appears on several of the old pics.

Still a really nice place to visit.

#9 gdecarli

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Posted 05 August 2003 - 16:43

I'm uploading Circuito del Garda on my website (39 photos). This is a small preview...

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I think that it was a wonderful circuit, rich of climbs, hairpins, long straights, city streets...
Of course all those were according to old safety standard...

Ciao,
Guido

#10 gdecarli

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Posted 13 August 2003 - 02:43

New photos on my website:
  • Alessandria - Circuito Pietro Bordino (28 photos)
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  • Asti (16 photos)
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  • Torino - Circuito del Valentino (49 photos)
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#11 Ruairidh

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Posted 13 August 2003 - 02:58

Guido - great photos - you are making me miss Italy!

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Posted 13 August 2003 - 10:49

Guido, I have bought a house in Bagni Di Lucca, which is fairly close to Lucca. Is the nearest circuit that is still in use Mugello? What is the closest unused circuit?

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Posted 13 August 2003 - 14:29

Nearest old circuit most likely thr one in the centre of Lucca used in 1930s? 2.35km used part of the Viale Giosue Carducci. Coppa Eda Ciano held 1936-38.

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Posted 13 August 2003 - 23:53

Originally posted by Anthony_Ferrari
Guido, I have bought a house in Bagni Di Lucca, which is fairly close to Lucca. Is the nearest circuit that is still in use Mugello? What is the closest unused circuit?

With reference to circuits still in use, the closest is Mugello, then there are Varano de' Melagari (Parma) and Imola, but it's quite a long drive from Bagni di Lucca as you have to cross Appennini.
I have never been there, I think it is a wonderful area, but not for visit existing circuits!

With reference to old circuits, the closest is not Lucca, but Tre Province. OK, surely it takes you much less time to go to Lucca town center, but distance to Tre Province is shorter.

Other tracks? In Toscana I know these following:
  • Camaiore: used at least in 1926 and 1929, about 27 kn long
  • Circuito Apuano, Carrara: 20.2 km, used at least in 1925
  • Circuito delle Cascine, Firenze (Florence): in Cascine Park, Florence; it was used at least in 1921, 7.2 km - and 1948, 3.3 km
  • Circuito del Montenero, Livorno (Leghorn): used in different layouts from 1921 to 1953
  • Circuito della Versilia, Pietrasanta (Lucca): used at least in 1926, 14.3 km long
(all these info come from Tazio Nuvolari's website, but you have to look in this website to know if they were used for cars or motorbikes (or maybe both, but you can't know from this website, as it list only Tazio's races).

and also:
  • Lucca: as per Rob29's post
  • Mugello: old track, more than 60 km that included also Futa Pass (famous for Mille Miglia, but climbed in opposite direction), used from 1914 or 1920 and 1969.
  • Short Mugello: in 1925 an unknown shorter layout was used, 18 km long (from Darren Galpin's International Race Report)
  • Circuito della Fortezza, Firenze (Florence): I'm not sure 100% about official name, but surely it's different from Circuito delle Cascine. Used at least in 1937, this is the one called simply "Florence" on www.racingcircuits.net
  • Pontedera: 14 km long, used at least on 1931 (World Sports Racing Prototypes)
  • Siena: listed on www.racingcircuits.net, I don't know anything about
  • Mille Miglia: of corse a large section went through Toscana. One of the most famous section was climb to Passo della Futa and Passo della Raticosa, both between Firenze and Bologna. In the earliest races they went in opposite direction, from Bologna to Firenze. 1949 edition was the only one that didn't go on this section, as they crossed Appennini from Parma to La Spezia, through Passo della Cisa.
  • Coppa della Consuma: a very old hillclimb quite close to Firenze, first used in 1903!. On its official website you can find interesting historical info and photos, but it's only in Italian :(
I think that this is more or less what I know about circuits in Toscana, at least in this moment. Is it enough for you? :)

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By the way, some days ago I found an article about Tre Province circuit. Here following I try to summarize and translate for you.
This long circuit started from Bagni di Porretta (Bologna), then went in Pistoia province, the closest section for you (S.Marcello Pistoiese), then climbed up to Abetone Pass, towards Modena province.
It was used only three times, from 1929 to 1931; the last time it hosted a great race between Enzo Ferrari and Nuvolari. Thet were team mates, of course in Ferrari team, but with different cars: Ferrari has an Alfa 8C 2300, while Nuvolari had a littler Alfa 6C 1750.
Ferrari started at 15:46, Nuvolari six minutes later. He didn't know the circuit, he made only few tast. At the beginning, Nuvolari started quite slow, apparently because of some problem at the gearbox. He was driving without glasses, like a normal turist. Suddenly after a corner, he accelerated and he arrived at a level crossing just outside Bagni di Porretta while driving very fast. His mechanic Decimo Compagnoni was thrown partially our of the car. Tazio himself helped him to seat again while he was still running. On this jumop they broke accelerator spring, so they stopped. Compagnoni decided to use trousers belt for replace the original spring and they started again: Nuvolari was driving and Compagnoni used accelerator, while he was trying also to remain in the car (in the jump his handle broke, so he has nothing to handle).
15 minutes later they were at Pracchia. At San Marcello, Ferrari was still leading. One hour later they were at Pievepelago and they were divided only by few seconds. At Sestola Nuvolari was leading. They both run in the last section of the ciruit, but at Bagni di Porretta Nuvolari won and Ferrari was 67 seconds behind him!

(From Routeclassiche, August 2002, pages 61-66. Results on World Sports Racing Prototypes)

Ciao,
Guido

#15 Don Capps

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Posted 14 August 2003 - 00:10

Originally posted by Ruairidh
Guido - great photos - you are making me miss Italy!


I have to second that! :love:

#16 gdecarli

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Posted 14 August 2003 - 00:23

Ferrari and Nuvolari had two completely driving techniques, as Ferrari himself discovered on Tre Province circuit. Here following his famous words:

copied from www.nivola.org, originally from "Piloti che gente..." by Enzo Ferrari

"After the first contests fought with he (I was a driver in that period), I began to ask me what had of special that little, serious man. Therefore a day I ask to him to make a test with he on the Alfa Romeo 1750 of my scuderia (at the ciruit of "Tre Province" at Porretta in 1931).
At the first curve I had the precise feeling that Tazio had mistaken the curve and that we will finish out of the road. I became rigid in the wait of the collision. Instead we found again ourselves to the rectilinear entrance of the succesive curve with the machine online. I watched Tazio: his face was the same, serene, normal, not the one of who is escaped to an accident. At the second and third curve the impression was the same. To the quarter or fifth curve I began to understand.
With the corner of my eye I watched his legs: Tazio did not raise the foot from the accelerator during the curve! And curve after curve I understood his secret. Nuvolari boarded the curves before of what the driver instinct suggested to me. And he boarded it in an unusual way, aiming the "snout" of the car towards the inner margin of the curve, just in the point where the curve began. With the accelerator sunked and the correct gear inserted before this terrifing manoeuvre he skidded the car, taking advantage of the push of the force centrifuge and contrasting it with the traction of the wheels. For the entire arc of the curve the "snout" of the car was brushing the inner limit of the road. When the curve finished and the straight strech was opened, the car was already in normal position in order to continue the race, without the necessity of corrections and to the maximum possible speed!
After this experience I was accustomed to this "exercise", seeing he making it so frequently, but every time seemed to me to fall in the wagon of a roller coaster..." "This manoeuvre was possible fot two main reasons: the wheels were not, like now, independent, and the tyres were inflated at an high pressures than today, An incredible skid that could determined with a single, calculated steered. Nobody, in any case, succeeded to imitate the curves of Tazio Nuvolari. Some were approached, trying and re-trying, but in the harder curves they raise the foot from the accelerator. Nobody, I repeat, dared the accelerator like Nuvolari."
With the technical progress his manoeuvre lost a little of efficacy. "...later, when the suspensions were made independent and the tyres inflated at medium pressures, also Nuvolari could not more skids in this spectacular way. However he continued to use his technique with decision but, this time, correcting the trajectory with little determined "steering blows" and not accelerating all during the curve.
His technique remains a prodigy of instinct to the limits of the human possibilities and of the physical laws!".

Ciao,
Guido

#17 Barry Boor

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Posted 14 August 2003 - 06:35

In the latest issue of Motor Sport there is an article about Denny Hulme. One picture shows a very young Denny sitting on the grid for a Formula Junior race. The caption says the race was at Messina and Denny finished second.

Does anyone have any details about that race and was it on the same circuit that was used for the night-time sports car races?

#18 gdecarli

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Posted 14 August 2003 - 09:20

Originally posted by Barry Boor
In the latest issue of Motor Sport there is an article about Denny Hulme. One picture shows a very young Denny sitting on the grid for a Formula Junior race. The caption says the race was at Messina and Denny finished second.

Does anyone have any details about that race and was it on the same circuit that was used for the night-time sports car races?

It could be Gran Premio di Messina, July 31st 1960:

Messina - 18 laps, 108.36 km (1 lap = 6020 m)

1. Colin Davis (GB) OSCA-Fiat, 44m20.0
2. Denis Hulme (NZ) Cooper-BMC, 18 laps
3. Lorenzo Bandini (I) Stanguellini-Fiat, 18 laps
4. Joseph Siffert (CH) Stanguellini-Fiat, 18 laps
5. Berardo Taraschi (I) Taraschi-Fiat, 18 laps
6. Jacques Cales (F) Stanguellini-Fiat, 18 laps
7. Roberto Lippi (I) Stanguellini-Fiat, 18 laps
8. Giacomo Russo (I) Stanguellini-Fiat, 17 laps
9. Giuseppe Faranda (I) de Sanctis-Fiat, 17 laps
10. Rolf Markl (A) Poggi-Fiat, 17 laps

Fastest Lap: Colin Davis (OSCA) 2m26.0

Heat 1
1 Davis
2 Siffert
3 Taraschi
4 Cales
5 Russo
6 Bandini

Heat 2
1 Hulme
2 Lippi
3 Calvi
4 Faranda
5 Genovese
6 Vroomen

(from Darren Galpin's The Minor Championships)

With reference to the track, first of all I must say that there were two street circuits in Messina, both used for night-time sports car races.

The first was used from 1953 to 1956 (6715 m - 4.173 mi) and it was in Messina harbour:

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The second one was some km north (as you can see in the small map) :

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In my website (click on the picture for direct link) I explain in details how I could draw it. It was 6200 m long according to my Notiziario CSAI (see my page) or 6020 m according to race result on World Sports Racing Prototypes and Darren Galpin. I think this difference is only due to a mistake in typing, probably on Notiziario CSAI.
Back to Denny Hulme, his race was on a 6020 m track, it was in 1960, so in my opinion (without no proof, of course) this race was on Messina Granatari circuit, the second one.
By the way, what an entry list!

Ciao,
Guido

#19 Rob29

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Posted 14 August 2003 - 16:16

I think the photo in Motor Sport is from 1961 not 1960. The car has the silver spine above the engine cover first seen in '61.Hulme finnished second both years,must have liked this circuit.Fellow kiwi Angus Hyslop won in 61,in a Lotus 20.

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#20 gdecarli

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Posted 02 September 2003 - 11:55

I added on my website this photo (and no more) about Bologna 1908 (Coppa Florio) circuit. It shows only countryside near Bologna, it's not a complete footage as I did about all other circuits.

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Ciao,
Guido

#21 gdecarli

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Posted 06 October 2003 - 00:02

New circuits added on my website:
  • Roma - Terme di Caracalla (35 photos by Barry Boor, already posted on an old thread here on TNF)
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  • Milano - Parco Sempione 1946 (32 photos)
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#22 gdecarli

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Posted 18 January 2004 - 17:07

New page added to my site, that shows national road between Bologna and Firenze (Florence) through Passo della Raticosa and Passo della Futa.
This section is used by nearly all Mille Miglia (still today) and a smaller section by old Mugello circuit.

I have an old map, a altimetric profile (?) and 10 pics (here I post a sample).

For direct link, click here.

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Ciao,
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#23 gdecarli

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Posted 02 November 2004 - 00:44

New circuit added on my website:
  • Lucca (11 photos - click to open)

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Ciao,
Guido

#24 danielking

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Posted 02 November 2004 - 00:55

Superb Guido :up: , especially your photos of the 'Porta Vittorio Emanuele' :eek:

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Posted 02 November 2004 - 13:59

As Danielking has "Merano" on his list, I attached a plan of the 1955 Cortemaggiore Merano, maybe it's helpful for some of us...

The scan is from the official program.

Ciao Carlo :smoking:

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#26 gdecarli

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Posted 02 November 2004 - 22:40

Originally posted by danielking
Superb Guido :up: , especially your photos of the 'Porta Vittorio Emanuele' :eek:

Thanks :blush: , but only because the gate is superb...

Ciao,
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#27 gdecarli

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Posted 02 November 2004 - 23:55

Originally posted by Carlo
As Danielking has "Merano" on his list, I attached a plan of the 1955 Cortemaggiore Merano, maybe it's helpful for some of us...

Thanks! I added a link to your post on my website.
I don't know anything about this race: could you give us more details? (of course,form me it would be better in Italian, even if it would be OT here!)

Ciao,
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#28 danielking

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Posted 03 November 2004 - 01:11

Originally posted by Carlo
As Danielking has "Merano" on his list, I attached a plan of the 1955 Cortemaggiore Merano, maybe it's helpful for some of us...


:clap: Thank you very much Carlo, this plan is indeed most useful, and I have now been able to plot this map of the route

Originally posted by gdecarli
I don't know anything about this race: could you give us more details?

ditto!

#29 Carlo

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Posted 03 November 2004 - 22:38

this plan is indeed most useful, and I have now been able to plot this map of the route



Great job!
I am really amazed by your map - very impressive! :clap:


could you give us more details?


Sorry, I have no list of entrants, or resultss...propably we have some guys amongst us, who could help ;)

I recently bought the regulations booklet of the 1955 event...very nice, all in Italian with detailled regulations for the race, up to the lists for the price money...

Four classes:

Class 1: up to 750cc
Class 2: 750 - 1300cc
Class 3: 1300 - 1600cc
Class 4: over 1600

The sponsor of the race was Agip, the Italian oil company.
For those of us who like colours, I scanned the cover of the booklet.
Please note the picture of the oil industry inside the steering wheel - the symbol for the sponsor ;)

Best regards
Ciao Carlo :smoking:
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Posted 03 November 2004 - 22:49

As we are talking about Italian tracks...

What about Castelfusano?

A "track" used by Alfa Romeo as location for presenting their cars to a limited amount of guests - invitation only ;)

Castelfusano was located in the pine-woods between Rome and the sea.
Without checking, I recall there have been other events too.

Ciao Carlo :smoking:

#31 gdecarli

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Posted 03 November 2004 - 23:54

Originally posted by Carlo
What about Castelfusano?

AFAIK, Castelfusano hosted GP Roma in 1954 and 1955. It replaced Terme di Caracalla circuit (used until 1951) and it was replaced by Vallelunga.

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Ciao,
Guido

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Posted 04 November 2004 - 19:20

Castelfusano remains, apparently in very much the same state as it was in the 1950s. Well, at least, it looks that way on Multimap.

If you leave Rome on the via Cristoforo Colombo, you will initially be driving along part of the Caracalla circuit, and head out towards the sea, you will eventually find yourself driving along the longest straight on the circuit. (See Guido's map.)

When in Rome..... last year I was very sad not to be able to find the time to get out to Castelfusano. I made do with Caracalla.

UIAVMM, wasn't this one of the very few circuits that saw an Onofre Marimon victory?

I'll get there one day...

#33 Carlo

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Posted 04 November 2004 - 20:12

wasn't this one of the very few circuits that saw an Onofre Marimon victory?



Yepp,
Marimon won there in 1954.
I first saw his name as co-driver of Fangio in LM on the 6C3000CM Alfa Romeo...

And thanks for your report about the track, another good reason for the next trip to Italy ;)

Castelfusano caught my interest because Alfa Romeo organized an amazing promotion event there in 1953.

Guido, very interesting to see the map! That gives me a good impression about the track.

Btw, was the sea really so close to the track as on the map??? Must have been very comfortable for the spectators - pending between lido and race track ;)

Ciao Carlo :smoking:

#34 Boniver

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Posted 15 September 2006 - 12:41

1926 Premio reale Roma/Rome

7,500 km

was the name of the circuit:
- Valle Guila
- Valle Giula
- Valle Giulia

where is this in Roma/Rome ?

#35 gdecarli

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Posted 15 September 2006 - 12:57

Originally posted by Boniver
1926 Premio reale Roma/Rome

7,500 km

was the name of the circuit:
- Valle Guila
- Valle Giula
- Valle Giulia

where is this in Roma/Rome ?

The name is Valle Giulia and it is the area between Villa Borghese and Parioli. A friend of mine found a description of the circuit and he tried to draw the following map (red circuit, maybe with blue extension) :

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The circuit could have been slighly different, but more or less it was like this. If you want more info, toy can go to my website, where it is listed as "Roma Parioli".

Ciao,
Guido

#36 Boniver

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Posted 15 September 2006 - 19:00

Guido,

1925 Rome GP Rome Monte Mario 10,625 km

1926 Rome GP Rome Valle Giulia 7,500 km

1927 Rome GP Rome Parioli 4,200 km

1928 Rome GP Rome Tre Fontane 13,000 km
1929 Rome GP Rome Tre Fontane 13,000 km
1930 Rome GP Rome Tre Fontane 13,000 km

1931 Rome GP Rome Littorio 4,000 km
1932 Rome GP Rome Littorio 4,000 km


I see now that "Valle Giulia" and "Parioli" was on the same place in Roma (Villa Glori) :)

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Where is "Monta Mario" in Roma/Rome ?
I see the Metro Station by Via Eugenio Tanzi,
but where is the road circuit of 10,625 km

#37 Boniver

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Posted 15 September 2006 - 19:16

Rinasce il Circuito di Monte Mario

Un circuito percorso il 24 febbraio del 1925 da Tazio Nuvolari con la sua Bianchi 350
(10,600x15 giri)

partite dalla piazza del Risorgimento, hanno poi seguito il percorso più prossimo a quello dell’antico circuito: via Leone IV, via della Giuliana, piazzale Clodio, Panoramica, circonvallazione Clodia, circonvallazione Trionfale, piazzale degli Eroi, via Andrea Doria, via Ruggero di Lauria, via Candia, via Leone IV, per tornare a piazza del Risorgimento. :confused:

Lungo il circuito e nella piazza la folla acclamante e curiosa di chi ha il ricordo delle moto sfreccianti su quel percorso attraverso i racconti dei nonni e i cimeli di famiglia gelosamente custoditi.

*(from Motocorse)

#38 gdecarli

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Posted 15 September 2006 - 19:17

Originally posted by Boniver
I see now that "Valle Giulia" and "Parioli" was on the same place in Roma (Villa Glori) :)

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Where is "Monta Mario" in Roma/Rome ?
I see the Metro Station by Via Eugenio Tanzi,
but where is the road circuit of 10,625 km

Yes more or less Valle Giulia and Parioli were in the same place.

Monte Mario (Monte comes with final E) is the highest hill in Rome. I'm not so sure that Monte Mario circuit was so far as Metro Station, I think it is on the opposite side of the hill, because I found that Monte Mario is close to Piazzale Clodio, exactly west of these circuits, on the other side of river Tevere.
I have some collegues from Rome, next week I can ask them.
I have no idea about the circuit...

And I have no idea anout Circuito del Littorio too... I should have somewhere some notes, but I don't recall. For sure, it was destroyed quite soon.

Ciao,
Guido

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Posted 15 September 2006 - 19:19

Originally posted by Boniver
partite dalla piazza del Risorgimento, hanno poi seguito il percorso più prossimo a quello dell’antico circuito: via Leone IV, via della Giuliana, piazzale Clodio, Panoramica, circonvallazione Clodia, circonvallazione Trionfale, piazzale degli Eroi, via Andrea Doria, via Ruggero di Lauria, via Candia, via Leone IV, per tornare a piazza del Risorgimento.

Started from piazza del Risorgimento, the went on the streets closer to the old circuit: via Leone IV, via della Giuliana, piazzale Clodio, Panoramica, circonvallazione Clodia, circonvallazione Trionfale, piazzale degli Eroi, via Andrea Doria, via Ruggero di Lauria, via Candia, via Leone IV, then back to piazza del Risorgimento

Ciao,
Guido

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#40 gdecarli

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Posted 15 September 2006 - 20:31

It should be something like this...

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I have many doubts about lower section and I had to guess the section in Piazza del Risorgimento, but I this it should be a good approximation, at least as a first attempt.

But possibly the circuit from Piazzale Clodio climb on the hill on Panoramica, thatshould be the street now named viale Giovanni Falcone e Paolo Borsellino and Viale dei Cavalieri di Vittorio Veneto (both out of my map) before going down on Circonvallazione Clodia.

I will add as soon as possible a page to my website.

Ciao,
Guido

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Posted 15 September 2006 - 21:01

Littorio was after 1933 Aeroporto del Littorio - Nord Roma

www.fiorenzadebernardi.it/PrimoLivello/Urbe.htm

www.aeroclubroma.it/storia_dettagli.htm

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Posted 15 September 2006 - 21:05

Guido,

Monte Mario :clap:

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Posted 15 September 2006 - 21:05

I have just edited description of the previous map.

Ciao,
Guido

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Posted 15 September 2006 - 21:15

Originally posted by Boniver
Littorio was after 1933 Aeroporto del Littorio - Nord Roma

You are right!
It was known as Aeroporto del Littorio, and it was the only Airport in Rome (civil and military). During the war it was used as military airport and destroyed by bombs. After the war - known as AEROPORTO ROMA URBE - it was used as civil airport for few years, then replaced by new airport at Ciampino. Now it's used only for small private planes.
It's position is Latitude 41 57 05 N - Longitude 12 30 04 E and you can find it on Google Local.

Ciao,
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Posted 15 September 2006 - 21:49

Guido,

Stap by stap,

It's the please,
it was a race circuit with bankings

thanks ;)

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Posted 15 September 2006 - 21:53

Yes.
Bankings were demolished, I don't know if by bombs during the war or by somebody, but track layou is still there, more or less...

Ciao,
Guido

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Posted 31 July 2007 - 21:53

Brought this thread back to see if anyone has any info on a circuit in SALERNO, that was used into the mid 1950s.

A sports car race was held there in 1955, on a 3 km circuit, won by Taraschi in a Giaur!

Guido mentions the circuit on his site but has no maps while Darren doesn't mention it at all.....

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Posted 31 July 2007 - 22:16

Originally posted by Barry Boor
Brought this thread back to see if anyone has any info on a circuit in SALERNO, that was used into the mid 1950s.

...and for FJ racing until at least 1961
But apart from the fact that its length was 2.7km, I can help no further

#49 Barry Boor

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Posted 26 March 2009 - 09:25

Having physically walked around Ospedaletti (twice) and Caracalla, I am now absolutely chuffed silly to be able to say that I have now 'walked' around Bari and Possillipo thanks to the wonderful Google Maps ground level view facility.

Parts of Bari are very nice, running right by the sea but the Neapolitan circuit is WONDERFUL, with its tree-lined avenues and its ups and downs. What a wonderful place to run a motor race.

I'm hoping to be able to check out Genoa and Turin later.

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Posted 16 July 2009 - 11:07

Circuit of Belfiore 4th May 1924.
On most sites the winner is listed as Antonio Masperi in a Bianchi but George Monkhouse's Grand Prix Facts & Figures list the winner as Ernesto Maserati.
Which is correct.