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[Peterle]

Hello everyone !!

For the first time I have a question in this wonderfull forum:

Can anyone help me with results from these races
- Formula 3 (500 cc) 1950 - 1959 (international races)
- Formula Junior 1959 - 1963 (international races, races in Eastern Europe)
- Formula 3 1964 - 1974 (international races, races in Eastern Europe)


I will be glad for any little new information!


Yours Peter.

[Darren Galpin]

Try home.wanadoo.nl/the8wteam2/index.html

This has F.Junior results, F3 etc etc.

[David McKinney]

The races are also of course covered in the famous "black books" of the Formula 1 Register

[dmj]

Welcome to TNF, Peterle (your chosen username is same as real surname of a Slovenian politician).

[fines]

Try http://www.formel3register.de/ for starters, you'll find the top 10 finishers of the most important International races. It's a bit cumbersome to find them, though...

[Stefan Ornerdal]

I have added a few F3-results, 1967 and 1968 (Pau, Reims, Albi etc) on my F2-page:
http://user.tninet.s...1w/F2_Index.htm

More to come. Some day...

Stefan

[Marcor]

also here: http://www.clarinet.fi/~spitkane/

[anjakub]

In Eastern Europe Formula Junior and Formula 3 international races were above all for drivers from socialist countries (Cup of Peace and Friendship). The drivers from behind Iron Curtain took part in several events in GDR (Schleiz and Sachsenring) and Czechoslovakia (Brno).

In Poland the first and only race with drivers from Western Europe was held on Magnolia track (a part of motorway) near Szczecin in the end of June 1970.

Szczecin
28 June 1970
Results:
1. Sten Axelsson (S) Lotus-Ford 59
2. Alan Stubbs (GB) Brabham-Ford BT28
3. Vladimir Hubacek (CS) Lotus-Ford 41
4. Zbigniew Sucharda (PL) Promot-Holbay
5. Longin Bielak (PL) Promot-Cosworth
6. Peter Findeisen (DDR) Melkus-Wartburg
7. Ksawery Frank (PL) Promot-Holbay
Retired:
J. Jonsson (S) Brabham-Ford BT28
Janusz Kiljanczyk (PL) Promot Wartburg
Vladislav Ondrejik (CS) Lotus-Ford 41


And one more info:

Polish Champion (Formula Junior and Formula 3)
1963 Longin Bielak - Rak 63 Wartburg
1964 Jerzy Jankowski - Rak 64 Wartburg
1965 Longin Bielak - Rak Wartburg
1966 Józef Kie³bania - Rak Wartburg
1967 Longin Bielak - Rak/Promot Wartburg

In years 1968-1973 no championship, since 1973 in Formula Easter.

[dretceterini]

If you want the results of the French stuff, get the book "Racers 500"

you can get it from www.editions-palmier.fr or I have a few extra copies...

Stu

[Barry Lake]

I just checked the F Junior results on this site:

home.wanadoo.nl/the8wteam2/index.html

Noticed it has "Michel May" at Monaco in 1959 and 1960.

His name is Michael May. I met him once and did a detailed technical story with him; a very clever man.

[sat]

Somewhat obscure race, but as you see not only in Brno or Praha was raced F3 internationally in Czechoslovakia.
But info is far from perfect

Jicín
Cena CSR (Prize of Czech Republic)
16.8.or 21.6.1970
Started 20 Clasified 13

1. Lotus 41-Ford Cosworth - Vladislav Ondrejík - CS
2. Tecno-Ford - Wilhelm Geiss - D
3. Cooper-Ford - René Scalais - B
Also entered
Schmider
Ernst Maring

[anjakub]

In 1965 and 1966 in Czechoslovakian Formula 3 races regularly started Leo Mattila from Finland.

1965
Prachovske Skaly
venue and date ?
8 laps = 116 km
1. Leo Mattila (FIN) Cooper 55.53,1 + 124,5 km/h
2. Alois Gbelec (CS) Wartburg 57.45,3
3. Vaclav Bobek (CS) Skoda F3 (1000 MB) 58.25,7
4. Vladimir Hubacek (CS) Melkus-Wartburg 1.00.45,1
5. Milan Nevole (CS) Wartburg 1.01.31,6
6. Manfred Bretschneider (DDR) Melkus-Wartburg 1.02.29,5

VII Cena Slovenska
Piestiany
date?
1. Max Byczkowski (DDR) Melkus-Wartburg 51.10,1 = 127,38 km/h
2. Leo Mattila (FIN) Cooper 51.50,0
3. Lehmann (DDR) SEG-Wartburg 53.20,2
4. Vladimir Hubacek (CS) Melkus-Wartburg 53.38,2
5. Hans Roediger (DDR) Melkus-Wartburg 54.34,2

1966
VIII Cena Slovenska
Piestiany
date?
15 laps = 108,7 km
Started 18
1. Leo Mattila (FIN) Cooper 49.35,8
2. Josef Brazda (CS) DKW 50.18,8
3. Manfred Bretschneider (DDR) Melkus-Wartburg 14 laps
4. Vladislav Ondrejik (CS) Delfin 14 laps
5. A. Vavron (CS) Hamel-Wartburg 13 laps

[Tyrian]

>> David

>>>The races are also of course covered in the famous "black books" of the Formula 1 Register

Where can you find these ? I feel abit like a dumb newby.. but i really dont have a clue...

[sat]

Another strange fruit:

In 1970 in Leningrad was match USSR-Finnland

won by Vladimir Grekov on Estonia 9M, followed by P. Vilpponen and E. Mikander (both Kaimann Formula V!). Sorry no more info...

[Vitesse2]

Originally posted by Tyrian
>> David

>>>The races are also of course covered in the famous "black books" of the Formula 1 Register

Where can you find these ? I feel abit like a dumb newby.. but i really dont have a clue...

http://www.formulaoneregister.com/

Hope you have deep pockets or indulgent relatives Tyrian ...

[dretceterini]

Sadly, all the "good" volumes (1920s and 30s) are currently out of print (I could care less about anything after circa 1965), as are their formula junior books (which I don't have as yet)...

Pricey, but worth it, IMO...

Stu