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[Ghostrider]

Hi guys, what kind of downforce levels does the Montreal circuit require? It consists of a lot of straights but still I seem to remember that the teams use quite large amount of wing on this circuit. Can anyone tell me what kind of downforce level teams use? Lesser than Monaco, but how much less? Thanx in advance!

[cheesy poofs]

Ghostrider,

Montreal requires medium to low downforce settings.
To give you an idea of the speeds that are reached on the track...
Cars will reach well over 205 mph down the casino straight

It's one of the fastest trap speeds of the whole championship !!

[Ghostrider]

Originally posted by cheesy poofs
Ghostrider,

Montreal requires medium to low downforce settings.
To give you an idea of the speeds that are reached on the track...
Cars will reach well over 205 mph down the casino straight

It's one of the fastest trap speeds of the whole championship !!

Excellent, thanks! Got a little confused when I heard Sato talk about high downforce settings for Canada, maybe he meant something else or the journalist misunderstood him.

[giddyup409]

Originally posted by Ghostrider


Got a little confused when I heard Sato talk about high downforce settings for Canada

With the way Sato is driving those Jordans, Eddie is making sure Sato has enough downforce to stay on the track and perhaps save some cash ;)

I know, I know, I'm not fair, but...

[Rene]

Originally posted by cheesy poofs
Ghostrider,

Montreal requires medium to low downforce settings.
To give you an idea of the speeds that are reached on the track...
Cars will reach well over 205 mph down the casino straight

It's one of the fastest trap speeds of the whole championship !!

It's also a track which requires superior brake performance....many many drivers have had shunts due to failing brakes at this GP...

[The Rock]

Originally posted by Rene
many many drivers have had shunts due to failing brakes at this GP...

HHF's crash in the jordan in 1999 was down to brake failure if i recall correctly.Does anyone know what caused Panis's crash back in 97 with Prost when he broke his legs?? Mechcanical or driver error?

[wati]

Looks like medium - high to me...

http://www.forix.com...rari_MSven4.jpg

Wattie

[SeanValen]

I say about 80% downforce on the front wing, slow the car down from high speeds, and 20 to 50 % downforce on the rear ring, not including other downforce properties such as the chassic itself for example. All calcluations roughly in my head based on experience playing f1-2001 on the pc.

[Ghostrider]

Originally posted by SeanValen

I say about 80% downforce on the front wing, slow the car down from high speeds, and 20 to 50 % downforce on the rear ring, not including other downforce properties such as the chassic itself for example. All calcluations roughly in my head based on experience playing f1-2001 on the pc.

Thanx Sean! Playing simulators is a good way of bringing one up to date on the track ahead!

[DoS]

Well, i remember from past races teams talking about medium to high downforce levels...and in every good the F1 simulation game you have to use a medium to high downforce setup to do competitive lap times ;)
Nowadays in F1 almost all tracks require a high downforce configuration, except the really high speed ones (Monza and Hock).

[Yoquai]

"minimum" downforce both on front and rear wing, and a very long gear setting...
it gave me a "pole position" and a "win" there...!








well.. yeah.. okay... it was F2001 Sony PS-1...

[lulup]

Originally posted by Ghostrider


Got a little confused when I heard Sato talk about high downforce settings for Canada, maybe he meant something else or the journalist misunderstood him.

No,he didn't say Circiut GV is high or low downforces.
He just said that he drove the car with the new engine at Silverstone with "Canada downforce levels" setting.

Following is what he said :
From www.formula1.com

"It was good - the peak power is there," he said. "I drove the car with Canada downforce levels (ie high) and it was so fast. So it definitely is quicker, but when it comes to driveability it's not quite there yet.

"It is definitely good for high speed circuits like Canada to have power like this, but over a long period of 60 laps or so it may be better to use the (current) spec one engine."

"high" is the journalist's word!!!

[Ghostrider]

Originally posted by lulup


No,he didn't say Circiut GV is high or low downforces.
He just said that he drove the car with the new engine at Silverstone with "Canada downforce levels" setting.

Following is what he said :
From www.formula1.com


"high" is the journalist's word!!!

Yes you are right lulup, it was the journalist who probably messed it up! Thanx for noticing!

[maclaren]

My GP3 2000 head says Montreal needs least downforce after Monza and Hockenheim( and maybe Spa). Most corners are slow so downforce doesn't help that much, but it is good help for braking.

[DoS]

Most corners are slow ? i think not...the second intermmediate has quite a few fast corners that require a very responsive car that can change direction really fast...
Canada used to be a medium to low downforce track, and so were others...but the last few years in F1, with grooved tyres (and other rule changes), increased engine output and improved aero efficiency, most tracks require a medium to high downforce configuration now. Remember last year in Austria (and other gps as well), were engineers tend to add more doenforce to the cars as the weekend progressed (esspecially for qualie), in the race they have to give some downforce to gain speed in the straights and avoid been overtaken

[maclaren]

I read Trulli's lap description in F1 live, and all corners (apart from 1 flat out in middle sector) are taken on 1nd or 2nd gears

I would describe the lap like this: chicane-straight-chicane-straight........

Many drivers likes it dull to drive but great to race.

[SeanValen]

Since the track is not used alot, and is dirty and dusty on Friday, I expect more downforce on Friday until the rubber picks up. Of cource if it rains, more downforce to maxmise the packlunch package of the car as I call it, throughout the weekend, were due a rain race.

[mtl'78]

Aero grip is not very important for this race. It's all about engines, brakes and suspension. There are no fast turns, only 1-2-3rd gear corners. Every other corner (kink) is taken flat. The wings only help for braking, but a stiff suspension is more helpful. That's why this race has alot of crashes. The drivers need a stiff suspension to get smaller braking zones, but they would also prefer a softer suspension, because the track isn't very 'grippy'.

[SeanValen]

mtl'78 When it comes down it though, the whole package helps, could be that additonal tenth to make the difference in the tyre war, and Ferrari and Williams battling it, the aero a benefit which produces good downforce while not creating drag to hinder the engine performance like Ferrari did in Brazil could come in useful, the packlunch package, you can rely on the sandwiches, but the drink can be essential.

[Peter Perfect]

My 2 cents...

...the setup, I thought, is mechanically similar to Monaco but aerodynamically similar to Monza.

[giddyup409]

Originally posted by mtl'78
The wings only help for braking, but a stiff suspension is more helpful.

Stiff suspension! Now there's the rub. Who's the one driver you can single out that noticable prefers stiff suspension?

[desmo]

"maclaren" is correct. Hock and Monza are the only circuits where one consistantly sees less wing. Definitely low downforce.

[Ghostrider]

Originally posted by SeanValen
mtl'78 When it comes down it though, the whole package helps, could be that additonal tenth to make the difference in the tyre war, and Ferrari and Williams battling it, the aero a benefit which produces good downforce while not creating drag to hinder the engine performance like Ferrari did in Brazil could come in useful, the packlunch package, you can rely on the sandwiches, but the drink can be essential.

you remind me of the swedish commentator, Eje Elgh, he always talks about "the package", wonder if he means the same "packlunch" package that you are referring to. Maybe you should become a commentator as well Sean, I will definitely vote for you as expert commentator when AtlasF1 get wealthy enough to create their own cable network.

[SeanValen]

Originally posted by Ghostrider


you remind me of the swedish commentator, Eje Elgh, he always talks about "the package", wonder if he means the same "packlunch" package that you are referring to. Maybe you should become a commentator as well Sean, I will definitely vote for you as expert commentator when AtlasF1 get wealthy enough to create their own cable network.

I wouldn't mind commentating, I'm sure I could create phrases and things to be as popular as Murry Walker. But as the to packlunch package thing, it is important, in f1, we've seen 1000ths of a second to be crucial at Japan 2000 between Mika and Michael, so it all counts in the end, but even if you have the right ingredients in the sandwich(in this case a f1 team) still need the good quality of the chicken in it, (in this case the driver) thus completing the packlunch package.