Further to my remarks concerning this year's Nurburgring 24-Hour race in the present 'Nostalgia Forum' thread, 'our' car had to be withdrawn at 3am this morning dammit. Engine computer terminally glitsched. If it had been a pliers, spanners, hammer and milk bottle top job it would have finished...
But is anybody maintaining the results/retirements records of these current minor level enduros such as the Nurburgring 24-Hours for posterity????
DCN
24-Hour race results and related matters
Started by
Doug Nye
, Jun 02 2002 18:17
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Frank de Jong
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Posted 02 June 2002 - 18:34
Doug, a lot of results are on the internet, but I did not investigate just how detailed they are. And, yes, I might be tempted as soon as I've finished all the updates on the ETC site (but will it ever end?) to add some minor ;) events, like the non-championship Spa races, the Nürburgring 84/24 hours, Bathurst 1000.
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Posted 02 June 2002 - 20:33
i will insert these races too in my archive..wait, wait wait!!!
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Ray Bell
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Posted 02 June 2002 - 22:03
At least the Bathurst 500/1000 results are readily available to simply copy, and very comprehensively done too.
Minor races? It's no longer bigger than the AGP here, but it's close!
Minor races? It's no longer bigger than the AGP here, but it's close!
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Posted 03 June 2002 - 12:03
Frank: Bathurst 1000 results will be available shortly (I hope) on one of the sites I work with. I have several spreadsheets done up ready to go for a large expansion of the data that is presently available on VESRIX. Just need to learn how to upload and play with the coding.
The coding is very adaptable and almost any race/series history could be easily fed into it. A complete history of Formula Holden was compiled and is set to go, but a change in the mangement of Formula Holdens PR has seen the original end concept for this to be aborted. Shame
Would have liked to have seen the VESRIX concept expanded to other events by now. And by an official site that would hasve made for easy stats usgae by the media. Oh well.
Top ten and class winners of Bathurst 1000 are already available in a text format on another site I work on - and several spreadsheets can be downloaded with complete results in them.
Ray: not bigger than the AGP? You obviously haven't informed Mr. Cochrane of this opinion
The coding is very adaptable and almost any race/series history could be easily fed into it. A complete history of Formula Holden was compiled and is set to go, but a change in the mangement of Formula Holdens PR has seen the original end concept for this to be aborted. Shame
Would have liked to have seen the VESRIX concept expanded to other events by now. And by an official site that would hasve made for easy stats usgae by the media. Oh well.Top ten and class winners of Bathurst 1000 are already available in a text format on another site I work on - and several spreadsheets can be downloaded with complete results in them.
Ray: not bigger than the AGP? You obviously haven't informed Mr. Cochrane of this opinion
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Posted 03 June 2002 - 14:57
I must have watched about 5 hours of DSF coverage on the 24hr race at the Ring. Much of the camera footage was from a helicopter or in-car with the Nissan Skyline (with the rear-view mirror taking up half the view). Yet it was, for me at least, one of the most evocative race watching experiences... something that I haven't gotten in quite some time.
This race had a folk fest type feel to it, thanks in part to the high summer-type weather we had this weekend in Europe. And this amazing race course has so much character. The commentators guessed that nearly 100,000 people were strewn around the track.
The other aspect that I found very cool was that anybody can compete at this race, even with a little eco box (heck, most of the cars were less than bred for racing cars). Someting like 208 cars took the start, from what I manage to gather. I assume that all it takes is basic safety features (rollcage, 5 point harness) and the 2500 Euro entrance fee (is that the correct amount? The commentator indicated it).
I could definitely see myself trying to do something like this someday (only 23 now, and studying for another 3 years). Hopefully this race will continue!
As far as the race itself goes, I wish the Porsche's and the Nissan had been able to keep up with the blistering pace of the Viper. But at this track, like the Ironman race on the Big Island, anyone who finished is a winner! And that is what its all about!
DCN, I'd be curious to hear some of your experiences of the race (both on and off the track)!
This race had a folk fest type feel to it, thanks in part to the high summer-type weather we had this weekend in Europe. And this amazing race course has so much character. The commentators guessed that nearly 100,000 people were strewn around the track.
The other aspect that I found very cool was that anybody can compete at this race, even with a little eco box (heck, most of the cars were less than bred for racing cars). Someting like 208 cars took the start, from what I manage to gather. I assume that all it takes is basic safety features (rollcage, 5 point harness) and the 2500 Euro entrance fee (is that the correct amount? The commentator indicated it).
I could definitely see myself trying to do something like this someday (only 23 now, and studying for another 3 years). Hopefully this race will continue!
As far as the race itself goes, I wish the Porsche's and the Nissan had been able to keep up with the blistering pace of the Viper. But at this track, like the Ironman race on the Big Island, anyone who finished is a winner! And that is what its all about!
DCN, I'd be curious to hear some of your experiences of the race (both on and off the track)!
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Posted 03 June 2002 - 16:16
I wasn't in it - dammit! - I was at home on the end of a mobile phone offering encouragement, some technical suggestions, tea and sympathy beneath the Union Jack a'fly from our telly aerial in honour of HMQ's Jubilee this weekend. In fact the entry developed into a huge cock-up, car had been entered in the wrong class - scrutineers caught up with the error 6 hours into the event - car had already lost 3 hours in the pits with engine management computer suffering chronic indigestion. They continued 'for fun' despite the inevitability of disqualification should they finish, until another problem arose - chronic fuel starvation - and they finally put a shroud over it all at 3a.m. The owner - not terribly pleased - declared "That is neither an experience I enjoyed, nor wish to repeat...". Oh dear. The downside of a last-minute entry. What's that about the 'Six Peas'???? - Proper Preparation Prevents P***-Poor Presentation?
Incidentally, may I say - in relation to another current thread - how much I applaud the presence and interest of younger enthusiasts in this Forum; if you find your own taste buds and interests as stimulated as mine were by other media when I was 23 there's real hope for the future. Welcome, keep the faith and kick the greybeards when we become too Old Farty.
As for my other off-track experiences over the past weekend, I doubt there's much interest in Koi carp, geraniums (gerania???), and the sullen insolence of a lawnmower carburettor that refused to carburate....until I had a firm word with it. V. dull existence, in other words...
DCN
Incidentally, may I say - in relation to another current thread - how much I applaud the presence and interest of younger enthusiasts in this Forum; if you find your own taste buds and interests as stimulated as mine were by other media when I was 23 there's real hope for the future. Welcome, keep the faith and kick the greybeards when we become too Old Farty.
As for my other off-track experiences over the past weekend, I doubt there's much interest in Koi carp, geraniums (gerania???), and the sullen insolence of a lawnmower carburettor that refused to carburate....until I had a firm word with it. V. dull existence, in other words...
DCN
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Posted 03 June 2002 - 16:23
I came back yesterday evening from the 24 Hours at my old "home-circuit". A great experience, once again! The untypical (phantastic) weather helped a lot. But you really got covered with
loads of dust trying to find your way through the bumpy "roads" along the track. Well, I managed to show David (Italian journalist from Firenze, who will write some features on the race for the Italian touring car and Nürburgring fan) the Nordschleife: Hatzenbach and Hocheichen, Schwalbenschwanz (outside!) and Adenauer Forst, Fuchsröhre and Schwedenkreuz, Aremberg and Flugplatz.... I really felt at home again and he was more than impressed.
Just carried a dozen films to the fotolab to have it processed.
Doug, which car was "your" car? Maybe I got some pics of it.
As far as the results are concerned I try hard to bring them all together. 30 years have to be covered, but I'm confident to get hold of ALL of them soon.
Udo
loads of dust trying to find your way through the bumpy "roads" along the track. Well, I managed to show David (Italian journalist from Firenze, who will write some features on the race for the Italian touring car and Nürburgring fan) the Nordschleife: Hatzenbach and Hocheichen, Schwalbenschwanz (outside!) and Adenauer Forst, Fuchsröhre and Schwedenkreuz, Aremberg and Flugplatz.... I really felt at home again and he was more than impressed.
Just carried a dozen films to the fotolab to have it processed.
Doug, which car was "your" car? Maybe I got some pics of it.
As far as the results are concerned I try hard to bring them all together. 30 years have to be covered, but I'm confident to get hold of ALL of them soon.
Udo
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Posted 03 June 2002 - 16:52
Results from from some years below :
1986
1 Oestrich/Rensing/Vogt...............BMW 325i...............24.00,34/130 laps
2 J Winkelhock/Haug/Mauer.............Opel Manta 400...................-1 laps
3 Kummle/Schall/Teitscheidt...........Ford Escort RS2000...............-3 laps
4 Oppermann/Utsch/Esser...............Opel Manta GTE...................-8 laps
5 Guerthler/Hardy/Demuth..............Porsche 944 Turbo Kat...........-10 laps
6 Zerha/Pollert/Weber.................Alfa Romeo GTV..................-10 laps
7 Goebel/Benning......................BMW 325i........................-11 laps
8 Lindlar/Felder/Phillips.............BMW 528i........................-12 laps
9 Eichen/Nuchter/Ketterer.............Ford Escort RS2000..............-13 laps
10 Eccles/Lepp/Cooper..................Mercedes 190E 2.3-16............-13 laps
1987
1 Niedzwiedz/Ludwig/Soper.............Ford Sierra Cosworth RS500......135 laps
2 Felder/Bröhling/Strycek.............BMW 325i.........................-4 laps
3 Walterscheid-Müller/Hamelmann/D”ren.BMW M3...........................-6 laps
4 Vogt/Oestreich/Quester..............BMW M3...........................-7 laps
5 "Mastop"/Dufter/Memminger...........BMW 323i.........................-8 laps
6 Hass/Ternes/Garuda..................Opel Manta 400...................-9 laps
7 Mertel/Mobst/Muller.................Porsche 928S.....................-9 laps
8 Wollgarten/Hemmes/Becker............Opel Manta......................-11 laps
9 Eschmann/Hulverscheidt/Schumacher...BMW 323i........................-11 laps
10 Burgmann/Kremer-Kophen/Wirtz........BMW M3..........................-14 laps
11 Sazma/Haugg/Packbier................Toyota Corolla..................-14 laps
12 Gross/Spoerel/Muchen................Porsche Carrera.................-14 laps
13 Bussinger/Koenig/Nussbaumer.........BMW M3..........................-14 laps
14 Julicher/Schmitt/Altenbach..........Opel Manta......................-15 laps
15 Weiss/Schrey/Schrey.................Mercedes 190E 2,3-16............-15 laps
16 Burdenski/Buhk/Ardinger.............Opel Manta......................-15 laps
1988
1 Dören/Holup/Faubel..................Porsche 911 RSR...........GrH...140 laps
2 Dorr/Dobler/Barth...................Porsche 911 RSR...........GrH....-4 laps
3 J Winkelhock/Mauer/Haug.............Opel Manta 400............GrH....-5 laps
4 Ternes/Strycek/"Garuda".............Opel Manta 400............GrH....-5 laps
5 Cecotto/Cudini/Snobeck..............Mercedes 190E 2,3-16......GrA...-10 laps
6 Benning/Klupp/Bovensiepen...........BMW 325i..................GrA...-11 laps
DQ Busch/Wagner/Wagner.................Porsche 944 Turbo.........GrG...-12 laps
7 Eickwinkel/Eickwinkel/Wlazik........Porsche 944 Turbo.........GrG...-12 laps
8 Hennes/Wollgarten/Lauer.............BMW M3....................GrN...-13 laps
9 Wolf/Schumacher/Prym................BMW 325i..................GrA...-14 laps
10 Wussler/Altenbach/Felsler...........Porsche 911 RSR...........GrH...-14 laps
1989
1 Pirro/Ravaglia/Giroix...............BMW M3....................DTM...143 laps
2 Heger/Grohs/Manthey.................BMW M3....................DTM....-1 laps
3 Brancatelli/Ferté/Lindström.........Ford Sierra RS500.........GrA....-4 laps
4 Altenbach/Lässig/Oppermann..........BMW M3....................DTM....-7 laps
5 Schneider/Hermann/Tilke.............BMW 325i..................GrA....-7 laps
6 Quester/Soper/Dufter................BMW M3....................DTM....-7 laps
7 Kussmaul/Röhrl/Mentel...............Porsche 944 Turbo.........GTN...-11 laps
8 Eickwinkel/Wlazik/Ahrabian..........Porsche 911 Carrera.......GTN...-14 laps
9 Dören/Hardy/Barth...................Porsche 911 Carrera.......GTN...-14 laps
10 Wollgarten/Meeuvissen/Palma.........BMW M3....................GrN...-15 laps
1990
1 Heger/J Winkelhock/Schmickler.......BMW M3 Sport Evolution....DTM...144 laps
2 Nissen/Martin/Lohr/Haug.............BMW M3 Sport Evolution....DTM....-7 laps
3 Richter/Schäfer/Wlazik..............BMW M3....................GrA...-11 laps
DQ Wolf/Eickwinkel/Schissel/Ahrabian...BMW M3....................GrA...-12 laps
4 Mattschull/Schlesack/Kather.........BMW 325i..................GrA...-13 laps
5 Middendorf/Wirth/Palma/Schneider....BMW M3....................GrN...-14 laps
6 Niedzwiedz/Oestreich/Strycek........Opel Omega 3000 24v.......DTM...-14 laps
7 Lunau/Luhr/Hölzl....................BMW M3....................GrN...-14 laps
8 Tilke/Dören/Döben/Neumann...........Porsche 911 Carrera.......GTN...-15 laps
9 Dernedde/Billen/Feigenspan..........VW Golf GTI 16v...........GrA...-15 laps
10 Wollgarten/Zakowski/Aaltonen/
Wetzelsperger.......................BMW M3....................GrN...-16 laps
1991
1 J Winkelhock/Hahne/Nissen.............BMW M3 Sport Evolution........138 laps
2 Grohs/Manthey/von Gartzen.............Porsche Carrera 2..............-6 laps
3 Alzen/Alzen/"hpl liemans"/Lischke.....Porsche Carrera 2..............-6 laps
4 Rosenkranz/Göbel/Fritzsche/Fritzsche..Porsche Carrera 2..............-9 laps
5 Wollgarten/Meeuvissen/Hufstadt/Häring.BMW M3........................-10 laps
6 Schied/Hennes/Hölzl/Lingman...........BMW M3........................-11 laps
7 Wagenstetter/Wittmann/Schönstein......BMW M3........................-11 laps
8 Dorr/Döbler/Faubel....................Porsche Carrera 2.............-11 laps
9 Pychl/Vogt/Mayländer..................Porsche Carrera 2.............-12 laps
10 Felder/Severich/Prym..................BMW M3........................-13 laps
1992
1 Cecotto/Danner/Duez/Martin............BMW M3 Sport Evolution.........76 laps
2 J Winkelhock/Heger/Hahne..............BMW M3 Sport Evolution.........76 laps
3 Stuck/Röhrl/Manthey...................Porsche 911 Carrera............-2 laps
4 Strycek/Thaler/Schmidt................Opel Omega 3000 24v............-3 laps
5 Dorr/Döbler/Hering/Klaus..............Porsche 911 Carrera............-4 laps
6 Richter/Wlazik/Katthoefer.............Porsche 911 Carrera RS.........-4 laps
7 Destree/Eberling/Thoelke/Hajmassy.....Porsche 911 Carrera............-5 laps
8 Wurz/Baumschlager/Dören/Tilke.........Porsche 911 Carrera............-5 laps
9 Memminger/Kussmaul/Bovensiepen/Röhrl..Porsche 911 Carrera............-6 laps
10 Goebel/Dolata/v d Velden/Spindler.....Porsche 911 Carrera 2..........-6 laps
1993
1 Konrad/Wirdheim/Katthöfer/de Azevedo..Porsche 911 Carrera 2.................
2 Dören/Imgartz/Kaufmann................Porsche 911 Carrera............+53,20s
3 Eickwinkel/Wolf/Ahrabian/Werner.......Porsche 911 Carrera............-1 laps
4 Alzen/Stukenbrodt/Mayländer/Schmickler...Porsche 911 Carrera............-1 laps
5 Thaler/Strycek/Schmidt................Opel Omega 3000 24v............-2 laps
6 Senge/Fritzsche/Gassen................Opel Omega 3000 24v............-2 laps
7 Scheer/Dufter/von Bayern..............BMW M3................................
8 Engels/Tilke/Dirtl/Baumschlager.......Porsche 911 Carrera...................
9 Wollgarten/Hennes/Gindorf/Richter.....BMW M3................................
10 Lechtermann/Lechtermann/Fleissner/Althoff..Porsche 911 Carrera...................
1994
1 Wlazik/Katthöfer/Rosterg..............BMW M3 E36............GrN.....106 laps
2 Baumgarten/Fritzsche/Fritzsche........Opel Astra GSi........GrN.+14.14,38min
3 Scheid/Widmann/Jeleniowski............BMW M3................GrN......-1 laps
4 Scheer/Schirrmeister/Tilke............BMW M3................GrA......-1 laps
5 Hagenkötter/Stoltz/Becker.............BMW M3................GrA......-1 laps
6 Klink/Neuberger.......................BMW M3................GrN......-2 laps
7 Menzel/Chmiela/Schmiid................Renault Clio 16V......GrN......-2 laps
8 Ströter/Berg/Janitschek/Vahsen........Ford Escort Cosworth..GrN......-3 laps
9 Kudrass/Jacobs/Bechtold...............Opel Astra GSi........GrA......-3 laps
10 Dernedde/Damminger/Schlestak..........VW Golf GTI...........GrA......-4 laps
11 Buegler/Klein/von Gartzen/Zeker.......BMW M3 E36............GrA......-4 laps
Drössiger/Bermes/Hölzl/Krausskopf.....Honda Civic VTEC......GrA......-5 laps
Fraund/Laplana/Salmona................Citroen AX............GrA......-5 laps
Blum/Feuerlein/Fasting/Savelsbergh....Honda Civic VTEC......GrN.....-10 laps
Tschornia/Nacken/Wirtgen/Könz.........Peugeot 106...........GrN.....-10 laps
Khan/Wilmot/Peters/Kox................Opel Vectra...........FIA.....-35 laps
Wollgarten/Mayländer/Grohs/Richter....BMW M3................GrA..........RET
Neerpasch/H Hahne/Schüler/Senne.......BMW M3................GrA..........RET
Heyer/Braun/von Bayern/Weiss..........BMW M3................GrA..........RET
Piquet/Winkelhock/Heger/Hoffmann......BMW M3................GrA..........RET
1986
1 Oestrich/Rensing/Vogt...............BMW 325i...............24.00,34/130 laps
2 J Winkelhock/Haug/Mauer.............Opel Manta 400...................-1 laps
3 Kummle/Schall/Teitscheidt...........Ford Escort RS2000...............-3 laps
4 Oppermann/Utsch/Esser...............Opel Manta GTE...................-8 laps
5 Guerthler/Hardy/Demuth..............Porsche 944 Turbo Kat...........-10 laps
6 Zerha/Pollert/Weber.................Alfa Romeo GTV..................-10 laps
7 Goebel/Benning......................BMW 325i........................-11 laps
8 Lindlar/Felder/Phillips.............BMW 528i........................-12 laps
9 Eichen/Nuchter/Ketterer.............Ford Escort RS2000..............-13 laps
10 Eccles/Lepp/Cooper..................Mercedes 190E 2.3-16............-13 laps
1987
1 Niedzwiedz/Ludwig/Soper.............Ford Sierra Cosworth RS500......135 laps
2 Felder/Bröhling/Strycek.............BMW 325i.........................-4 laps
3 Walterscheid-Müller/Hamelmann/D”ren.BMW M3...........................-6 laps
4 Vogt/Oestreich/Quester..............BMW M3...........................-7 laps
5 "Mastop"/Dufter/Memminger...........BMW 323i.........................-8 laps
6 Hass/Ternes/Garuda..................Opel Manta 400...................-9 laps
7 Mertel/Mobst/Muller.................Porsche 928S.....................-9 laps
8 Wollgarten/Hemmes/Becker............Opel Manta......................-11 laps
9 Eschmann/Hulverscheidt/Schumacher...BMW 323i........................-11 laps
10 Burgmann/Kremer-Kophen/Wirtz........BMW M3..........................-14 laps
11 Sazma/Haugg/Packbier................Toyota Corolla..................-14 laps
12 Gross/Spoerel/Muchen................Porsche Carrera.................-14 laps
13 Bussinger/Koenig/Nussbaumer.........BMW M3..........................-14 laps
14 Julicher/Schmitt/Altenbach..........Opel Manta......................-15 laps
15 Weiss/Schrey/Schrey.................Mercedes 190E 2,3-16............-15 laps
16 Burdenski/Buhk/Ardinger.............Opel Manta......................-15 laps
1988
1 Dören/Holup/Faubel..................Porsche 911 RSR...........GrH...140 laps
2 Dorr/Dobler/Barth...................Porsche 911 RSR...........GrH....-4 laps
3 J Winkelhock/Mauer/Haug.............Opel Manta 400............GrH....-5 laps
4 Ternes/Strycek/"Garuda".............Opel Manta 400............GrH....-5 laps
5 Cecotto/Cudini/Snobeck..............Mercedes 190E 2,3-16......GrA...-10 laps
6 Benning/Klupp/Bovensiepen...........BMW 325i..................GrA...-11 laps
DQ Busch/Wagner/Wagner.................Porsche 944 Turbo.........GrG...-12 laps
7 Eickwinkel/Eickwinkel/Wlazik........Porsche 944 Turbo.........GrG...-12 laps
8 Hennes/Wollgarten/Lauer.............BMW M3....................GrN...-13 laps
9 Wolf/Schumacher/Prym................BMW 325i..................GrA...-14 laps
10 Wussler/Altenbach/Felsler...........Porsche 911 RSR...........GrH...-14 laps
1989
1 Pirro/Ravaglia/Giroix...............BMW M3....................DTM...143 laps
2 Heger/Grohs/Manthey.................BMW M3....................DTM....-1 laps
3 Brancatelli/Ferté/Lindström.........Ford Sierra RS500.........GrA....-4 laps
4 Altenbach/Lässig/Oppermann..........BMW M3....................DTM....-7 laps
5 Schneider/Hermann/Tilke.............BMW 325i..................GrA....-7 laps
6 Quester/Soper/Dufter................BMW M3....................DTM....-7 laps
7 Kussmaul/Röhrl/Mentel...............Porsche 944 Turbo.........GTN...-11 laps
8 Eickwinkel/Wlazik/Ahrabian..........Porsche 911 Carrera.......GTN...-14 laps
9 Dören/Hardy/Barth...................Porsche 911 Carrera.......GTN...-14 laps
10 Wollgarten/Meeuvissen/Palma.........BMW M3....................GrN...-15 laps
1990
1 Heger/J Winkelhock/Schmickler.......BMW M3 Sport Evolution....DTM...144 laps
2 Nissen/Martin/Lohr/Haug.............BMW M3 Sport Evolution....DTM....-7 laps
3 Richter/Schäfer/Wlazik..............BMW M3....................GrA...-11 laps
DQ Wolf/Eickwinkel/Schissel/Ahrabian...BMW M3....................GrA...-12 laps
4 Mattschull/Schlesack/Kather.........BMW 325i..................GrA...-13 laps
5 Middendorf/Wirth/Palma/Schneider....BMW M3....................GrN...-14 laps
6 Niedzwiedz/Oestreich/Strycek........Opel Omega 3000 24v.......DTM...-14 laps
7 Lunau/Luhr/Hölzl....................BMW M3....................GrN...-14 laps
8 Tilke/Dören/Döben/Neumann...........Porsche 911 Carrera.......GTN...-15 laps
9 Dernedde/Billen/Feigenspan..........VW Golf GTI 16v...........GrA...-15 laps
10 Wollgarten/Zakowski/Aaltonen/
Wetzelsperger.......................BMW M3....................GrN...-16 laps
1991
1 J Winkelhock/Hahne/Nissen.............BMW M3 Sport Evolution........138 laps
2 Grohs/Manthey/von Gartzen.............Porsche Carrera 2..............-6 laps
3 Alzen/Alzen/"hpl liemans"/Lischke.....Porsche Carrera 2..............-6 laps
4 Rosenkranz/Göbel/Fritzsche/Fritzsche..Porsche Carrera 2..............-9 laps
5 Wollgarten/Meeuvissen/Hufstadt/Häring.BMW M3........................-10 laps
6 Schied/Hennes/Hölzl/Lingman...........BMW M3........................-11 laps
7 Wagenstetter/Wittmann/Schönstein......BMW M3........................-11 laps
8 Dorr/Döbler/Faubel....................Porsche Carrera 2.............-11 laps
9 Pychl/Vogt/Mayländer..................Porsche Carrera 2.............-12 laps
10 Felder/Severich/Prym..................BMW M3........................-13 laps
1992
1 Cecotto/Danner/Duez/Martin............BMW M3 Sport Evolution.........76 laps
2 J Winkelhock/Heger/Hahne..............BMW M3 Sport Evolution.........76 laps
3 Stuck/Röhrl/Manthey...................Porsche 911 Carrera............-2 laps
4 Strycek/Thaler/Schmidt................Opel Omega 3000 24v............-3 laps
5 Dorr/Döbler/Hering/Klaus..............Porsche 911 Carrera............-4 laps
6 Richter/Wlazik/Katthoefer.............Porsche 911 Carrera RS.........-4 laps
7 Destree/Eberling/Thoelke/Hajmassy.....Porsche 911 Carrera............-5 laps
8 Wurz/Baumschlager/Dören/Tilke.........Porsche 911 Carrera............-5 laps
9 Memminger/Kussmaul/Bovensiepen/Röhrl..Porsche 911 Carrera............-6 laps
10 Goebel/Dolata/v d Velden/Spindler.....Porsche 911 Carrera 2..........-6 laps
1993
1 Konrad/Wirdheim/Katthöfer/de Azevedo..Porsche 911 Carrera 2.................
2 Dören/Imgartz/Kaufmann................Porsche 911 Carrera............+53,20s
3 Eickwinkel/Wolf/Ahrabian/Werner.......Porsche 911 Carrera............-1 laps
4 Alzen/Stukenbrodt/Mayländer/Schmickler...Porsche 911 Carrera............-1 laps
5 Thaler/Strycek/Schmidt................Opel Omega 3000 24v............-2 laps
6 Senge/Fritzsche/Gassen................Opel Omega 3000 24v............-2 laps
7 Scheer/Dufter/von Bayern..............BMW M3................................
8 Engels/Tilke/Dirtl/Baumschlager.......Porsche 911 Carrera...................
9 Wollgarten/Hennes/Gindorf/Richter.....BMW M3................................
10 Lechtermann/Lechtermann/Fleissner/Althoff..Porsche 911 Carrera...................
1994
1 Wlazik/Katthöfer/Rosterg..............BMW M3 E36............GrN.....106 laps
2 Baumgarten/Fritzsche/Fritzsche........Opel Astra GSi........GrN.+14.14,38min
3 Scheid/Widmann/Jeleniowski............BMW M3................GrN......-1 laps
4 Scheer/Schirrmeister/Tilke............BMW M3................GrA......-1 laps
5 Hagenkötter/Stoltz/Becker.............BMW M3................GrA......-1 laps
6 Klink/Neuberger.......................BMW M3................GrN......-2 laps
7 Menzel/Chmiela/Schmiid................Renault Clio 16V......GrN......-2 laps
8 Ströter/Berg/Janitschek/Vahsen........Ford Escort Cosworth..GrN......-3 laps
9 Kudrass/Jacobs/Bechtold...............Opel Astra GSi........GrA......-3 laps
10 Dernedde/Damminger/Schlestak..........VW Golf GTI...........GrA......-4 laps
11 Buegler/Klein/von Gartzen/Zeker.......BMW M3 E36............GrA......-4 laps
Drössiger/Bermes/Hölzl/Krausskopf.....Honda Civic VTEC......GrA......-5 laps
Fraund/Laplana/Salmona................Citroen AX............GrA......-5 laps
Blum/Feuerlein/Fasting/Savelsbergh....Honda Civic VTEC......GrN.....-10 laps
Tschornia/Nacken/Wirtgen/Könz.........Peugeot 106...........GrN.....-10 laps
Khan/Wilmot/Peters/Kox................Opel Vectra...........FIA.....-35 laps
Wollgarten/Mayländer/Grohs/Richter....BMW M3................GrA..........RET
Neerpasch/H Hahne/Schüler/Senne.......BMW M3................GrA..........RET
Heyer/Braun/von Bayern/Weiss..........BMW M3................GrA..........RET
Piquet/Winkelhock/Heger/Hoffmann......BMW M3................GrA..........RET
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Posted 03 June 2002 - 17:04
Originally posted by Doug Nye
As for my other off-track experiences over the past weekend, I doubt there's much interest in Koi carp, geraniums (gerania???), and the sullen insolence of a lawnmower carburettor that refused to carburate....until I had a firm word with it. V. dull existence, in other words...
I seem to recall you having some excitement over some Longford pics...
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Posted 03 June 2002 - 18:25
Originally posted by Udo K.
Doug, which car was "your" car? Maybe I got some pics of it...
BMW Z3M Coupe - Rob Wilson/Robert Brooks/bloke whose name I cannot remember (T.H.E.Owner). Thanks ever so much for this kind offer but it sounds as if it didn't continue running long enough/fast enough to warrant photographing....
DCN
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Posted 03 June 2002 - 18:42
Originally posted by Doug Nye
BMW Z3M Coupe - Rob Wilson/Robert Brooks/bloke whose name I cannot remember (T.H.E.Owner). Thanks ever so much for this kind offer but it sounds as if it didn't continue running long enough/fast enough to warrant photographing....
DCN
...but I was in their pits with the mechanics still working on it. Rob Wilson and Robert Brooks were still hoping to continue at that time. Black car, No. 206 and third driver was Angelo Vijay.
I cannot remember if I took a photo, but I will know in a few days.
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Posted 03 June 2002 - 18:46
Coverage of this race in America? Surely you must be joking!....and Koi sushi???
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Posted 03 June 2002 - 20:10
Dr Schaller! Shock, horror....wash your mouth out!!! 
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Posted 04 June 2002 - 01:44
Mr.Nye:
You mean you are not opening Mr.Nye's automotive emporium, tea house, and sushi parlor? I guess it was just a rumor....
anyway, thanks for all the lovely stuff you have contributed to automotive history over the years..
....and yes, I was kidding (obviously!)
A good friend of mine, Joe Smith, who was a race car photographer in the 50s has koi too...and he is one of 3 people in the US that has a license to keep a bald eagle in his back yard (he sold all his stuff to Tony Adriaensens of Corsa Research in Antwerp a few years ago)
Stu
You mean you are not opening Mr.Nye's automotive emporium, tea house, and sushi parlor? I guess it was just a rumor....
anyway, thanks for all the lovely stuff you have contributed to automotive history over the years..
....and yes, I was kidding (obviously!)A good friend of mine, Joe Smith, who was a race car photographer in the 50s has koi too...and he is one of 3 people in the US that has a license to keep a bald eagle in his back yard (he sold all his stuff to Tony Adriaensens of Corsa Research in Antwerp a few years ago)
Stu
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Posted 04 June 2002 - 06:42
US coverage possible. All the DSF coverage of German racing seems to end up on Motors TV,dubbed with English? commentry by an auful American. I think this may have come via the SPEED channel?Originally posted by dretceterini
Coverage of this race in America? Surely you must be joking!....and Koi sushi???
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Posted 04 June 2002 - 16:06
Well yes, if you consider a 2 minute blurb on this race and similar ones on a program on na$$crapvision's program "Motorsports Mondial" 6 months after the fact "coverage".... 
and when will we get coverage of the BTCC, ETCC, FIA-GT, FIA/SRWC, and on, and on?
....OK, in these instances we MIGHT get 30 seconds of coverage 6 months after the fact; again on Motorsports Mondial...
further....I understand that na$$crapvision has no plans to cover the Monterey Historic races this year...or any of the English historic car festivals....and we only get something like 12 hours of LeMans and not all 24 like last year..and on, and on...
Stu
and when will we get coverage of the BTCC, ETCC, FIA-GT, FIA/SRWC, and on, and on?
....OK, in these instances we MIGHT get 30 seconds of coverage 6 months after the fact; again on Motorsports Mondial...
further....I understand that na$$crapvision has no plans to cover the Monterey Historic races this year...or any of the English historic car festivals....and we only get something like 12 hours of LeMans and not all 24 like last year..and on, and on...
Stu
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Posted 04 June 2002 - 17:40
Originally posted by dretceterini
Well yes, if you consider a 2 minute blurb on this race and similar ones on a program on na$$crapvision's program "Motorsports Mondial" 6 months after the fact "coverage"....
and when will we get coverage of the BTCC, ETCC, FIA-GT, FIA/SRWC, and on, and on?
....OK, in these instances we MIGHT get 30 seconds of coverage 6 months after the fact; again on Motorsports Mondial...
further....I understand that na$$crapvision has no plans to cover the Monterey Historic races this year...or any of the English historic car festivals....and we only get something like 12 hours of LeMans and not all 24 like last year..and on, and on...
Stu
At least you get that. Our Le Mans coverage down under will be a one hour highlights package a week later with 15 minutes of commericals and five minutes of Hawaiian Tropic girls. But BTCC, DTM, ETCC, FIA-GT, FIA Sportscar? Forget it.
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Posted 04 June 2002 - 18:07
24 Stunden Nürburgring 2000 24. bis 25. Juni 2000
1. Mayländer/Bartels/Alzen/Heger Porsche 966 GT3-R 145 laps
2. Zakowski/Huismann/Beltoise Chrysler Viper GTR-S 144 laps
3. Becker/Wiedemaeier/Rittenmeier/Grohs Porsche 993 140 laps
4. Weiland/Weiland/Weiland/Jodexnis Porsche 996 GT3 137 laps
5. Eschmann/Hulverscheid/Krämer/Spadacini Porsche 993 Cup 135 laps
6. Obermann/Obermann/Obermann/Tilke BMW M3 133 laps
7. Bonk/Bonk/Renger/Weykopf BMW M3 132 laps
8. Kaffer/Lorenzo/Jackszties/Lautner BMW M3 132 laps
9. Krankenberg/Asch/Schmickler/Oberndorfer BMW M3 132 laps
10. Kleinschmidt/Niedzwiedz/Podlogar/Übler Mitsubishi Carisma GT 130 laps
11. Letters/Haag/Kohlmorgen/Lang Porsche 993 130 laps
12. Klaas/Irmgartz/Stippler/Konrad Porsche 996 129 laps
13. Bartels/Viebahn/Baier BMW M3 128 laps
14. Sing/Grüner/Dörflinger BMW M3 128 laps
15. Karl/Wehner/Wyatt/Pingel BMW M3 128 laps
16. Riebensahm/Kohlhaas/Wilbert Audi 200 Turbo 128 laps
17. Kruse/Paczynski/Abbeen/Lück Porsche 911 128 laps
18. Schjärin/Sandberg/Lund/Drössinger Honda Civic 127 laps
19. Atkinson/Atkinson/Atkinson/Unterhuber Ford Escort 127 laps
20. Dören/Vytautas/Hennes/Bognall Porsche 911 126 laps
21. Brückner/Götzmann/Bröhling/Goral Mercedes 190E 16V 126 laps
22. Seck/von Wedel/von Oeyenhausen BMW Z3 126 laps
23. Weidinger/Hancke/Peter/Pingel BMW M3 125 laps
24. Brenner/Roth/Küpper/Barndl Mercedes 190E 16V 125 laps
25. Ravaglia/von Saurma/Wollgarten/Müller BMW Z3 125 laps
1. Mayländer/Bartels/Alzen/Heger Porsche 966 GT3-R 145 laps
2. Zakowski/Huismann/Beltoise Chrysler Viper GTR-S 144 laps
3. Becker/Wiedemaeier/Rittenmeier/Grohs Porsche 993 140 laps
4. Weiland/Weiland/Weiland/Jodexnis Porsche 996 GT3 137 laps
5. Eschmann/Hulverscheid/Krämer/Spadacini Porsche 993 Cup 135 laps
6. Obermann/Obermann/Obermann/Tilke BMW M3 133 laps
7. Bonk/Bonk/Renger/Weykopf BMW M3 132 laps
8. Kaffer/Lorenzo/Jackszties/Lautner BMW M3 132 laps
9. Krankenberg/Asch/Schmickler/Oberndorfer BMW M3 132 laps
10. Kleinschmidt/Niedzwiedz/Podlogar/Übler Mitsubishi Carisma GT 130 laps
11. Letters/Haag/Kohlmorgen/Lang Porsche 993 130 laps
12. Klaas/Irmgartz/Stippler/Konrad Porsche 996 129 laps
13. Bartels/Viebahn/Baier BMW M3 128 laps
14. Sing/Grüner/Dörflinger BMW M3 128 laps
15. Karl/Wehner/Wyatt/Pingel BMW M3 128 laps
16. Riebensahm/Kohlhaas/Wilbert Audi 200 Turbo 128 laps
17. Kruse/Paczynski/Abbeen/Lück Porsche 911 128 laps
18. Schjärin/Sandberg/Lund/Drössinger Honda Civic 127 laps
19. Atkinson/Atkinson/Atkinson/Unterhuber Ford Escort 127 laps
20. Dören/Vytautas/Hennes/Bognall Porsche 911 126 laps
21. Brückner/Götzmann/Bröhling/Goral Mercedes 190E 16V 126 laps
22. Seck/von Wedel/von Oeyenhausen BMW Z3 126 laps
23. Weidinger/Hancke/Peter/Pingel BMW M3 125 laps
24. Brenner/Roth/Küpper/Barndl Mercedes 190E 16V 125 laps
25. Ravaglia/von Saurma/Wollgarten/Müller BMW Z3 125 laps
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Posted 05 June 2002 - 07:20
I do try to keep a record of these races, but find getting accurate details rather difficult (and I don't have enough time to search the web too heavily either). I try to keep results of the likes of Brazil 1000 Km, Enna 6 Hrs, Nurburgring 24 Hrs, Spa 24 Hrs etc, and they can be found in the archives of http://www.silhouet....rt/almanac.html . If anyone wants to send me more accurate results though, I'd be more than willing to add them in.
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Posted 05 June 2002 - 12:06
Not just a rumour. I can confirm that it is open and that the food is excellent - but the sushi was off when I visited.Originally posted by dretceterini
You mean you are not opening Mr.Nye's automotive emporium, tea house, and sushi parlor? I guess it was just a rumor....
Allen
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Posted 05 June 2002 - 15:25
Gee, another person on this site with a sense of humor as sick as mine....
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Posted 05 June 2002 - 15:44
Originally posted by Udo K.
I came back yesterday evening from the 24 Hours at my old "home-circuit". A great experience, once again! The untypical (phantastic) weather helped a lot. But you really got covered with
loads of dust trying to find your way through the bumpy "roads" along the track. Well, I managed to show David (Italian journalist from Firenze, who will write some features on the race for the Italian touring car and Nürburgring fan) the Nordschleife: Hatzenbach and Hocheichen, Schwalbenschwanz (outside!) and Adenauer Forst, Fuchsröhre and Schwedenkreuz, Aremberg and Flugplatz.... I really felt at home again and he was more than impressed.
Hi Udo,
I had been at the Schwedenkreuz from saturday morning at 8:00 AM until sunday. And the sun had caused me a bad sun burn. But nevertheless two fantastic days.
Uwe
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Posted 05 June 2002 - 15:59
http://www.24h-renne...hinfos.historie has a lot of results. This is the official site. It has also a part for the english speaking but unfortunately only a few infos.Originally posted by Doug Nye
Further to my remarks concerning this year's Nurburgring 24-Hour race in the present 'Nostalgia Forum' thread, 'our' car had to be withdrawn at 3am this morning dammit. Engine computer terminally glitsched. If it had been a pliers, spanners, hammer and milk bottle top job it would have finished...
But is anybody maintaining the results/retirements records of these current minor level enduros such as the Nurburgring 24-Hours for posterity????
DCN
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Posted 05 June 2002 - 19:52
Thank you. Another little vignette which is a sign of present times. Am I right, Uwe, there was a DTM round under full FIA authority run in the morning? During it - I am told - a squad of heavies appeared in the pit lane and garages and suddenly everybody but everybody had to have the correct ausweiss (pass) or they were frog-marched out of town. You will do this, you will do that, stand here, stop there, knees bend, cough, raise one arm, point up there...
Within about ten minutes of the end of that race the FIA heavies vanished and the 24-Hours was again run like an old time 1960s race meeting...friendly people wandering about at will, being friendly, and enthusiastic, and enjoying the fun...
Lordy, lordy - where did it all go wrong?
DCN
Within about ten minutes of the end of that race the FIA heavies vanished and the 24-Hours was again run like an old time 1960s race meeting...friendly people wandering about at will, being friendly, and enthusiastic, and enjoying the fun...
Lordy, lordy - where did it all go wrong?
DCN
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Posted 05 June 2002 - 23:58
Wasn't the DTM round at the Sachsenring?
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Posted 06 June 2002 - 06:36
It was. In the morning at the' ring was a DTC(Deutsche Tourenwagen Challenge) round on the Nordschleife and a second V8 stars race on the GPkurs. What amazed me was that with SIX days of practice and racing at the 'ring,there were any marshals(or spectators for that matter) left to run Saschenring!
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Posted 06 June 2002 - 09:32
Originally posted by Falcadore
At least you get that. Our Le Mans coverage down under will be a one hour highlights package a week later with 15 minutes of commericals and five minutes of Hawaiian Tropic girls. But BTCC, DTM, ETCC, FIA-GT, FIA Sportscar? Forget it.
Ah, but at least you get the full live coverage of Bathurst! There used to be a good 2 hours on terrestrial TV here in the UK, but I have to order the video now:(
Incidentally, anyone know whether the Ring 24hrs highlights will be on TV at all?
- Michael
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Posted 06 June 2002 - 15:49
I stayed at the Schwedenkreuz for both days so I didn't realize anything like that. And on my video tape of the race (8 hours totally) they didn't mention it likewise. But not being covered by TV cameras doesn't mean that it didn't happen.;)Originally posted by Doug Nye
Am I right, Uwe, there was a DTM round under full FIA authority run in the morning? During it - I am told - a squad of heavies appeared in the pit lane and garages and suddenly everybody but everybody had to have the correct ausweiss (pass) or they were frog-marched out of town.
As Rob29 said already it was a DTC race, not DTM. And you could see several banners around the ring bashing the DTM, due to the overlapping of the 24 hours and the DTM race which was caused by the DTM officials.
Uwe
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Posted 06 June 2002 - 16:11
I wasn't aware that the DTC (2 liter?) still existed; I thought it was combined with the ETCC. Is there a website for the DTC?
Stu
Stu
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Posted 06 June 2002 - 17:10
Originally posted by Doug Nye
Thank you. Another little vignette which is a sign of present times. Am I right, Uwe, there was a DTM round under full FIA authority run in the morning? During it - I am told - a squad of heavies appeared in the pit lane and garages and suddenly everybody but everybody had to have the correct ausweiss (pass) or they were frog-marched out of town. You will do this, you will do that, stand here, stop there, knees bend, cough, raise one arm, point up there...
Within about ten minutes of the end of that race the FIA heavies vanished and the 24-Hours was again run like an old time 1960s race meeting...friendly people wandering about at will, being friendly, and enthusiastic, and enjoying the fun...
Lordy, lordy - where did it all go wrong?
DCN
I also cannot confirm this, although I have been in the pit area at the time in question.
Try this web-site:
http://www.motorrace...ison02/home.htm
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Posted 06 June 2002 - 22:05
We were three at the 24 Hours race: David Tarallo from Florence and Jan Hettler from Munich, whose phantastic pics you can see here:
http://www.gt-eins.d...lm02/24hjh.html
Enjoy!
http://www.gt-eins.d...lm02/24hjh.html
Enjoy!
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Posted 07 June 2002 - 15:16
Originally posted by Doug Nye
Further to my remarks concerning this year's Nurburgring 24-Hour race in the present 'Nostalgia Forum' thread, 'our' car had to be withdrawn at 3am this morning dammit. Engine computer terminally glitsched. If it had been a pliers, spanners, hammer and milk bottle top job it would have finished...
DCN
Doug, if you let me know your e-mail address I can send a nice photo of the car. You can post it here then, to enable the others what car you were talking about.
Udo
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Posted 08 June 2002 - 03:05
Udo
Is David Tarallo the gentleman writing a book on obscure Italian sports racing cars??. I read somewher that he is.
Is David Tarallo the gentleman writing a book on obscure Italian sports racing cars??. I read somewher that he is.
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mickj
yes, I think he is working on such a project.
yes, I think he is working on such a project.
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Posted 11 June 2002 - 20:53
there is another book on obscure Italian sports-racers coming out, in addition to La Sport e I Suoi artigiani 1937-1965, which was released 11/2001? Title?
Thanks,
Stu
Thanks,
Stu
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Originally posted by dretceterini
I wasn't aware that the DTC (2 liter?) still existed; I thought it was combined with the ETCC. Is there a website for the DTC?
Stu
No, the Italian Supertouring Car Championship became the ETC Cup two years ago. Last year there was the Euro-STC, with another race for Superproduction cars. This years, they merged both classes into an intermediate one. The DTC, German Touring Car Cup, for Superproduction cars, still exists.
pc13
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Posted 12 June 2002 - 08:15
DTC rules are used on a national level in the Netherlands and as a subdivision in the BTCC too.
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Posted 23 June 2002 - 16:39
Way to go to "CHALLENGE CONSULTING" Caterham, which took 11th position, and got the class win.
Way to go Chris COOPER,
Peter HAYNES,
Clive RICHARDS,
Chris HARRIS!
Massive respect, keep going my friends.
Best Wishes,
Liran Biderman.
Way to go Chris COOPER,
Peter HAYNES,
Clive RICHARDS,
Chris HARRIS!
Massive respect, keep going my friends.
Best Wishes,
Liran Biderman.
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Posted 24 June 2002 - 16:20
I wasn't going NEARLY as fast, but I often did that when I was racing an under 1 liter Mini-Cooper..
Stu
Stu
