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#1 The Sensational

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Posted 14 June 2002 - 07:40

I loaded it up eagerly – could this be it? The F1 game that would revolutionize the slow-crawling industry? Then I remember it was made by EA, and my hopes were dashed before I even got to the big ugly splash screen.

I had played the demo of the game, and it seemed much more promising, albeit when not running winamp or any form of anti-virus at the same time (on a p4 1.8ghz, 512mb RAM, GeForce3 64mb), and also without using the pathetic automatic breaking system, oh and using less cars on the grid also seemed to help :rolleyes:

I have to hand it to EA though, the game is a lot more playable if you know where to break and how to do it – racing with my 360 Modena Pro steering wheel (hey, it was the only one I could find, it’s not my fault it’s got the ugly Ferrari logo on it) in a BAR through Canada actually looked somewhat comparable. So why is this a critical review?

Multiplayer
Don’t even bother with multiplayer. A race with more than 1 other opponent on a connection of anything less than Cable/ADSL is almost unplayable – and this is coming from someone with 512 guaranteed ADSL. The first time I loaded up multiplayer, my friend created a game so that we could meet up and try it out – we did a couple of laps of qualifying, which were, to say the least, severely interrupted by people joining (every time someone joins your computer “locks up” for about 5 seconds). To our surprise, after about 10 minutes in qualifying we had about 7 other opponents. When we finally when to the race, before the lights even went out I was shoved from some idiot behind who decided that green lights were synonymous with red lights – which promptly gave me a stop and go penalty even although I had yet to touch the accelerator. As we accelerated into the first turn, I was amazed that the person in front of me should be able to stay on the road, after all he was oscillating between each side of the track ( :drunk: ) about 40 times per second. It took me about as long to realize that internet multiplayer SUCKS in F1 2002. The only way to have a fun race with anyone else is over a LAN with absolutely no latency, otherwise, good luck.

Test Day
Playing in Test Day can be entertaining though – it allows you to play with setups and try the best possible time, and honestly, it’s where I’ve spent most of my time in the game so far.

Championship
I started a championship at 107% competitor ability in an Arrows. I qualified in 15th place at Australia (where I’m amazing) and was taken out by a massive accident on the first turn. COOL! The most amazing part was that it WASN’T caused by me! Drivers weave around, clip each others wings off, flip over each other and, in this case, take me out. Although this was highly entertaining, it did make me realize how absolutely awful the F1 2002 crashes are. Sure, you lose a couple of wheels, occasionally a wing, and yes, they do now bounce around like they should on the track, but that’s about the extent to which damage is possible in the game – massive accidents usually result in you flying about 70 feet in the air, spinning feverously for 5 minutes before landing, usually still with at least 1 wheel and 1 wing. In other words, the crash engine sucks. One other thing to note is that you cannot change teams in Championship, thus you can’t run your own little storyline about Ralf Schumacher breaking his legs and you, the young and talented rookie being bought up by Williams and led to your first Grand Prix win, midseason! :lol:

After my unfortunate experiences with Driving School in last years game, I haven’t even bothered to load it up yet.

The Cars:
The car models in the game, in my opinion, suck. Driving from the TV cockpit view (it’s the only to drive!) in a Ferrari makes it look like an ugly Minardi, which had a large box of Micheal Schumacher Fan Merchandise dropped on the cockpit, and then painted red. Seriously, it’s all bent up in the front and doesn’t nearly pay enough tribute to the beauty of the F2002 (I hate Ferrari but I have to hand it to the guys, that car is just beautiful).

The Jordan is laughable – the front wing isn’t even close to resembling that of the real life thing – they’ve clearly used last years model, because the front nose is just about as different as it could possibly be, it goes STRAIGHT out instead of swooping down severely.

One of the best cars, in terms of models, is the in-car BAR, which looks somewhat similar. The Toyota also looks decent.

The cars control much better than they used to, and driving them feels much more like what it looks like on TV. In F1 2001, steering aid was a joke and often caused accidents, but in this game, steering aid is a must, because it allows you to drive smoothly and really attack the course. You can now take a turn in more than 1 possible way, in 2001 if you entered with the wrong line you almost always had to brake severely if you didn’t want to go out, but here you can simply lift off the accelerator and go through, albeit a bit more slowly.

There are serious differences between driving a Minardi and driving a Ferrari. Ferraris have much more downforce and speed, and driving a Minardi in the same way as a Ferrari often results in planting yourself firmly in the barrier.

Disappointments:
On top of what I’ve listed, I’ve noticed several disappointing things:

The crows are the same old 2-D sprites, which frankly is 1990s technology and I expect more.

The game lags on a 1.8 with a GeForce3 if it rains – Sure there’s a payoff between graphics and performance, but I think they’ve achieved neither with an boastful excellence.

No pace car, no parade lap, no drive-through penalties. We’ve seen all of these this year and none of them are offered.

Lots stalling – Cars stall left and right on the grid, and honestly, have we seen that once this year? Sure it was an issue in 2001 with the implementation of launch control, but most teams now don’t suffer from that stuff anymore.

Conclusion:

I’d give the game 3 out of 5. Although in this EA have done more than just update a couple of names and give the teams a new outfit, the changes that they’ve made are small, and, in many cases, outweighed by aspects of the game which have gotten worse. Although, I have to say, after a couple of hours of F1 2002, I loaded up F1 2001 again and found it unplayable, so if you’re a fan of F1 2001, I think you’ll enjoy the changes that they’ve made (you better learn where to break though, because if you even DARE to turn the steering wheel the automatic breaking will kick in – it also seems to like to suddenly start breaking in the middle of a lot of straights).

At least Grand Prix 4 will be coming out soon, hopefully it will make up for where this came has not.

Please Note This review is written by The Sensational, and reflects only my opinion with the game, it does not reflect the opinions of the Atlas F1 website, EA Sports, or any official Formula1 organisation.

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#2 kodandaram

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Posted 14 June 2002 - 07:57

Sheeesh ! :down:

#3 Lexiz

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Posted 14 June 2002 - 16:02

Originally posted by kodandaram
Sheeesh ! :down:


?

I have to agree with him, the crash engine is a joke (I flip my car at the hotel hairpin in monaco, at normal speed on the curb). MP still needs a GREAT connection, otherwise don't bother, and the cars do look rather silly from the inside.

#4 AndreasNystrom

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Posted 14 June 2002 - 17:00

Multiplayer

Sorry about your multiplayer-experience, but ive hosted 7-8ppl on my 256/1Mbit without anywarp.
If you set "Announce game" to off, no one will see your game, and you dont have to care about ppl joining.
If you dont want the hickups in qualify, just set it to closed qualify and no one can join under qualify.
And on 10MBit host-games on gamespy, 16players play warpfree.

Remember that this is not an option for 56k players. They should stay away from multiplayer in 2002, since it makes the ppl warp if they join one.

Championship
"Although this was highly entertaining, it did make me realize how absolutely awful the F1 2002 crashes are. Sure, you lose a couple of wheels, occasionally a wing, and yes, they do now bounce around like they should on the track, but that’s about the extent to which damage is possible in the game – massive accidents usually result in you flying about 70 feet in the air, spinning feverously for 5 minutes before landing, usually still with at least 1 wheel and 1 wing. In other words, the crash engine sucks."

Hm.. never happened to me.. sounds like you driven into a standing car in 300km/h?

btw, there is an option turned on at default install, that the car will be artificially land on tires after a crash, this makes the crashes look wierd. Just turn it off.

The Cars:
Yes, the cars dont look any good. Download Bobis 2002cars instead an install.

Disappointments:
On top of what I’ve listed, I’ve noticed several disappointing things:

"The crows are the same old 2-D sprites, which frankly is 1990s technology and I expect more."

2d sprites? hehe, no its not. Its just a flat polygon textured with a crowd. If you would like
3d-guys sitting there, prepare for a 3fps game.
I still think they could improve them with some basic tricks anyway yes.

"The game lags on a 1.8 with a GeForce3 if it rains – Sure there’s a payoff between graphics and performance, but I think they’ve achieved neither with an boastful excellence."

Maybe a driver issue, i dont have any problems playing it on my Duron 800MHz GF2mx in the rain.

"No pace car, no parade lap, no drive-through penalties. We’ve seen all of these this year and none of them are offered."

There is a paradelap, enable it in the plr-file. No drive thrugh is something i would like.

"Lots stalling – Cars stall left and right on the grid, and honestly, have we seen that once this year? Sure it was an issue in 2001 with the implementation of launch control, but most teams now don’t suffer from that stuff anymore."

Its better then last year, but hey Australia, both Arrows didnt start, San Marino Toyota stalls after 1metre (McNish?) and probably more.

Conclusion:

"I’d give the game 3 out of 5. Although in this EA have done more than just update a couple of names and give the teams a new outfit, the changes that they’ve made are small, and, in many cases, outweighed by aspects of the game which have gotten worse. "

Dont care about GP4 then, its basicly GP3 with a pitcrew.

#5 Lexiz

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Posted 14 June 2002 - 19:51

Originally posted by AndreasNystrom
Multiplayer

Sorry about your multiplayer-experience, but ive hosted 7-8ppl on my 256/1Mbit without anywarp.
If you set "Announce game" to off, no one will see your game, and you dont have to care about ppl joining.
If you dont want the hickups in qualify, just set it to closed qualify and no one can join under qualify.
And on 10MBit host-games on gamespy, 16players play warpfree.

Remember that this is not an option for 56k players. They should stay away from multiplayer in 2002, since it makes the ppl warp if they join one.


I think what he was trying to say is that the game is very sensitive to poor connections. I played with him (we both have 512k connections) and it is fairly decent, but sometimes can be very poor. Obviously as is any multiplayer game the MP is vulnerable to poor connectivity (duh).

#6 A3

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Posted 14 June 2002 - 20:10

You can say all you want, but GP4 doesn't come close to F1 2002. Yes, it looks a bit better, but the physics are GP2, I cant even powerslide or make it understeer. At least F1 2002 is fun to drive and in the end, that's what it's all about.


Btw, I believe we already have several F1 2002 threads, why start a new one?

#7 AndreasNystrom

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Posted 14 June 2002 - 20:44

Lexiz: A poor connection ruins any multiplayergame ive been into.

Especially GPL in pro-mode. A modemuser with a dodgy connection isnt what you want to race side by side with there :)

#8 Brent

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Posted 15 June 2002 - 01:32

I had played the demo of the game, and it seemed much more promising, albeit when not running winamp or any form of anti-virus at the same time (on a p4 1.8ghz, 512mb RAM, GeForce3 64mb), and also without using the pathetic automatic breaking system, oh and using less cars on the grid also seemed to help


Always good to see a critical review, but i have to wonder....

Are you saying that your system could'nt handle the game (demo)? If that is what you're saying bro, you need to check it out. Reconfigure it. I run the demo absolutely perfectly on a P41.5 512SDram GF3 Ti 200 with everything on full/high.

also without using the pathetic automatic breaking system


Why would you want to use the braking system? Also if you're going to give us all reviews on racing sims/games, don't you think you should invest in a wheel?

The car models in the game, in my opinion, suck. Driving from the TV cockpit view (it’s the only to drive!) in a Ferrari makes it look like an ugly Minardi, which had a large box of Micheal Schumacher Fan Merchandise dropped on the cockpit, and then painted red. Seriously, it’s all bent up in the front and doesn’t nearly pay enough tribute to the beauty of the F2002 (I hate Ferrari but I have to hand it to the guys, that car is just beautiful).


Ever heard of 3rd party skins and Ai? Every game i buy gets better once the 3rd party Genius's get hold of them.

Please Note This review is written by The Sensational, and reflects only my opinion with the game, it does not reflect the opinions of the Atlas F1 website, EA Sports, or any official Formula1 organisation.


Eh? Who do you think you are? Too many beers? We appreciate your help and assistance. I was wondering if you could go and do a review of The Sims, Vacation? Might suit your keyboard a little better.

#9 Lexiz

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Posted 15 June 2002 - 02:25

Originally posted by Brent


Always good to see a critical review, but i have to wonder....

Are you saying that your system could'nt handle the game (demo)? If that is what you're saying bro, you need to check it out. Reconfigure it. I run the demo absolutely perfectly on a P41.5 512SDram GF3 Ti 200 with everything on full/high.



Why would you want to use the braking system? Also if you're going to give us all reviews on racing sims/games, don't you think you should invest in a wheel?



Ever heard of 3rd party skins and Ai? Every game i buy gets better once the 3rd party Genius's get hold of them.



Eh? Who do you think you are? Too many beers? We appreciate your help and assistance. I was wondering if you could go and do a review of The Sims, Vacation? Might suit your keyboard a little better.


What the hell is your problem? If you don't like the guy, then ignore his threads, I think it is fine to offer a critical review of his review, but thread crapping is not necessary. :down:

#10 A3

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Posted 15 June 2002 - 07:22

I'm totally with Brent here. Lexiz & "The Sensational", I understand that you guys are relatively new here, but we're not a bunch of 12 year olds who never have played a game.

1st of all, we've got threads running about F1 2002 and GP4 already, so starting a new one just to give an opinion will just make others reaise an eyebrow. It's not neccesary, this is not a forum for self promotion.

2nd, your review is just wrong in almost all aspects, but when I read you're playing with a keyboard, I didn't even bother replying to it.

#11 The Sensational

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Posted 15 June 2002 - 08:53

Originally posted by A3
I'm totally with Brent here. Lexiz & "The Sensational", I understand that you guys are relatively new here, but we're not a bunch of 12 year olds who never have played a game.

1st of all, we've got threads running about F1 2002 and GP4 already, so starting a new one just to give an opinion will just make others reaise an eyebrow. It's not neccesary, this is not a forum for self promotion.

2nd, your review is just wrong in almost all aspects, but when I read you're playing with a keyboard, I didn't even bother replying to it.



1st) Like I said in my GP4 thread, if I was a prospective buyer I'd rather come in and see an actual review straight away. Every single post encompasses equal self-promotion - to me, you seem to be the one drawing the most attention to yourself and others, whereas I was just trying to draw attention to f1 2002. If this were the DF1 forum, I'd have some strong words for you - it's probably a good idea I'm not allowed to post them.

2nd) What's wrong with them? If you're a die-hard GP3 fan thats fine - go waste $50 on a horrible game. I used to be one as well, but when EA make a superior product I have to hand it to them. And it says QUITE CLEARLY at the top of the review that I tried the game with both a keyboard, and my Thrustmaster Modena 360 Pro steering wheel. What's wrong with giving some commentary on both sides of the game - not everyone has steering wheels.

#12 The Sensational

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Posted 15 June 2002 - 09:00

Originally posted by Brent


Always good to see a critical review, but i have to wonder....

Are you saying that your system could'nt handle the game (demo)? If that is what you're saying bro, you need to check it out. Reconfigure it. I run the demo absolutely perfectly on a P41.5 512SDram GF3 Ti 200 with everything on full/high.


I run a GF3 64mb Ti500

The demo does run fine on my computer, but as soon as you go to a race, in the rain, with 21 other cars on the grid, BELIEVE me it tends to lag - this is, however, as I've said, possibly attributed ti Winamp/AVP running at the same time. Turning them off did seem to help.

Why would you want to use the braking system? Also if you're going to give us all reviews on racing sims/games, don't you think you should invest in a wheel?

Doesn't it say at the top that I have a thrustmaster 360 Modena Pro wheel? I've tried the game from the keyboard point of view and the steering wheel point of view, and was just offering an opinion from both sides.
Auto-braking systems are often useful to help you learn the tracks (the new Hock, for example), but this system is so bad that you couldn't use it to help you very much.


Ever heard of 3rd party skins and Ai? Every game i buy gets better once the 3rd party Genius's get hold of them.

Yes I have, and I will probably patch them, but pardon me for expecting the game to be good right off the shelf. After all, this is a critical review of the game - it IS meant to highlight the points that need improvement.

Eh? Who do you think you are? Too many beers? We appreciate your help and assistance. I was wondering if you could go and do a review of The Sims, Vacation? Might suit your keyboard a little better.


Once again, a reply that started off in a mature fashion and quickly went downhill. That point was just to highlight the fact that this has no association with this board, giving them less reason to expect me to edit or refine my post if it reflects badly on them. Honestly though, if that's the point you want to highlight on the review, it doesn't say much for your credibility as a review reviewer :p

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Posted 15 June 2002 - 13:58

About poor performance:
Some systems might be configured poorly. I am not bashing ppl who have little pc experience, but unforunately you have to check for driver updates, game updates, OS updates etc frequently, especially if you r experiencing problems with apps that other ppl with similar configs dont.

About the lag:
I am a programmer and also know a couple of things about networks and the internet...do you have any idea how difficult it is to make a multiplayer game over the net to work flawlessly ?? My friend a the moment its not only difficult...its IMPOSSIBLE. It doesnt matter if you have dsl 512k, bandwidth is not the issue anymore, latency is. And when you play against some1 who is maybe 800+ miles away , it can be a pain !! Also, racing game developers have a much more difficult task to face when we r talking about multiplayer net code than FPS (quake, counterstrike etc). But i am too bored to explain you know y, if you really want...

The game is great, its by far the best racing simulator i have ever played, its the first time it feels like driving a race car, at least for me :smoking:
I also think they have done a great job with the AI and the graphics as well. I can really feel the speed on my machine (P4 2.4 GF3 Ti 500) :smoking:

Overall its a big :up: :up: :up: :up: for EA and F12002

#14 Enkei

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Posted 15 June 2002 - 14:55

I miss a couple of posts here :confused:

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Posted 15 June 2002 - 15:07

That one comes from outside... Let's just say I don't like, and I won't play, F1-2002 and probably won't like GP4 (I hated GP3 with a passion, this is not a f1 sim, it's a slot-car game with canned spins. Just *try* to do all of a hotlap in sixth gear, without ever shifting : you'll see what's wrong here). Both games look flat and boring. There is like *no* elevation change worthy of the designation and the horizon always seems to hang just in front of my nose. But I disgress...

But reading through the thread, i got to wonder. A3, what the **** is your point? I know you're posting here for a long time, (I haven't been posting much, but I'm quite a lurker...), but you do realize that the Race Simulator forum is not Reader's Comments, and that there just isn't the same volume and traffic of messages here. A new thread won't make it overly crowded here, and there isn't anything less than a month old that's going to get bumped to second page.

You understand, I'm sure, that you trying to make him look like an idiot for posting a new thread won't make GP4 any better. I don't care much about those games, I read these threads out of curiosity, and almost you got me to feel insulted : . Surely, this is as bad netiquette as creating a thread?

Anyway, wish you all a few happy hours playing your favorite sim, I'll leave you all the EA and Crammond's game and I'll be going back to gpl. :D

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