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[Bob Nomates]

Is the mad professor married?, I've never seen him with a women.

F1 team boss Alain Prost has fractured his
wrist after suffering a fall at his South of
France home.

The four-time Formula 1 world champion
and owner of the Prost-Peugeot team
reportedly slipped down the stairs and
fractured a bone in his right wrist.

The accident happened the day after the
Spanish Grand Prix, but news only
emerged today (Monday) as the teams
ready themselves to travel to Germany ahead of Sunday's European
Grand Prix at the Nurburgring.

It's thought that Prost will attend the race with his team, though he has
been warned to take it easy for a few weeks.

Prost-Peugeot have suffered a disastrous start to the season with
constant reliability problems and are one of four teams that are yet to
score points in the 2000 constructors' championship.

Poor Prost

[John B]

He is married, his family narrowly missed getting killed when his wife's car was hit by a train.

[Bob Nomates]

Wife hit by a train??? when was this?.....is this when Prost broke his nose?

[EddieJF1]

Originally posted by Bob Nomates:
Wife hit by a train??? when was this?.....is this when Prost broke his nose?

I wouldn't be surprised if a train hit his nose. I'm surprised it doesn't get hit more often.

[Smooth]

I thought his family narrowly missed getting his by his nose. I never heard about the train thing.....

[bigblue]

Turned his head too quick and almost nailed em. Could have been tragic.

[Paste]

Can't remember when the train incident was, but it was a few years back now, I think...

[JayWay]

Don't you mean, the people in the train were almost killed when they narrowly missed Prosts nose

[John B]

As I hit the submit button a few hours back I had the feeling this is where we were going...

I'm guessing the incident was during the Ferrari years, probably 1990??

[AyePirate]

since there's very little action on the track anymore it's finally
come down to debates about who has the the fastest pit crew
and the (obvious) lethality of Alain Prost's honker!
Speaking of Prost, I saw an amazing story the other day.
If the current F1 10-6-4-3-2-1 points system had been in effect since 1950
Fangio's title total would have been 4, Stirling Moss would
have won a title, Graham Hill would be a triple champion, Lauda and Senna would have 2 titles while Alain Prost reigns supreme as six times a World Champion. Wow.

[This message has been edited by AyePirate (edited 05-18-2000).]

[yr]

Smooth, bigblue, jayway...

Very funny, very funny indeed...
but have you guys ever thought what it is like to
lose someboby that you really love without any
warning , if any of you is old enough to even
date with a girl (which i seriously doubt), then
try to think if AP had lost his wife in that accident.
I can bet billion dollars that you dont have a slightest
idea how much that would have hurt him.

But go ahead, make a jokes about it, after all...
what do teenagers know about serious crisis
of adults. When the fate gives you first few hits,
you probably quit joking with others tragic experiences.

[Paste]

It wasn't tragic. They were just having a bit of fun. I know you've been through a lot lately, but don't be so condescending. Lighten up a bit man, and if you can't maybe you shouldn't post.

[This message has been edited by Paste (edited 05-18-2000).]

[AyePirate]

Yr,

Speaking as someone who has had quite a few tragedies come my
way, you're out of line. Humor is one those gifts that helps cope
with tragedy and not be overwhelmed by it. This is only a BB, it's
not to be confused with "real life".

[Mila]

so, AyePirate, Prost missed those two additional titles by . . . a . . . whisker?

say, didn't Prost steal Jacques Laffite's wife years ago?

[yr]

Paste,

youre maybe right, perhaps i shouldnt post anything
right now because im still feeling very, very down
after my wifes death.
But as for this title, i really dont know anything about
the subject, i just saw someones post who said:
"his family narrow missed getting killed, when his
wifes car was hit by a train"....
that doesnt sound like one of those "Oh, this happens
at least twice a week" -thing to me.

You see Paste, even if you are young, you seem
to be quite reasonable chap, but making jokes
about somebodys wife (or whoever) being in real
dangerous situation is "kids stuff", thats because
kids usually dont have any serious lost among the
people they love, so they can not understand
how serious and definitive thing the death is.

Before these guys have personaly
bury few close people, that is not stupidity
from those guys, they just dont have enough
experience in life yet, if you dont belive me, ask
if they would make the same joke again after
20 years or so, when they have learned what
life is all about.

[bigblue]

yr, sorry you took it like that,it wasn't meant to belittle the accident. welcome back and I sincerely hope things are ok with you and your kids. I thought about you for days.
(bigblue holds out hand for a handshake)

[AyePirate]

Originally posted by Mila:
so, AyePirate, Prost missed those two additional titles by . . . a . . . whisker?

Mila,
yup, for details go to www.planet-f1.com/features/lawrence/lawrence.html/f1/ENG?lawrence=13

[yr]

Ayepirate,

Humor is certainly one of the best things that can
get you through the life, i agree.
But there is a good humor and bad humor,
for example, think if your,say, father would die
in electricshock while making beakfeast, would
you laugh like hell when somebody makes a joke
about real killer coffee maker... i doubt that.
It just is so that making jokes about death, race,
appearance etc are very easy if you are on the
good side of the matter; if you are pretty, nothing
is easier than laugh to ugly ones, if you are white
then jokes about blacks are hilarious, if none of
your closest people had die, then dying is good
subject for a laugh...


PS thanks for everyone who supported me when
i told my wife had died, especially thanks for Bira
who saw the trouble to even e-mail me, that was
great help for me when i was as down as man
can be, thanks.

[yr]

Bigblue,

don,t take it personally, it was not my purpose
to make you (or the others) feel bad, i was just
trying to point out that before you lose someone
who is very dear to you, you can easily joke
by someones losing/not losing his/hers life,
but not after you have lost some real close
people, then you suddenly don,t see anything
funny in life threatening situations anymore.

BTW. thanks for your post to my thread where
i told about my wife.

[theMot]

Yr, I know youve been through a lot recently but who do you think you are to tell people what they should and shouldnt be laughing at? I bet if you even asked Prost how he feels about it now even he would have a laugh. Ok to you im some little kid with internet access (you aint wrong), but i dont think just because you are unhappy about something you should try and bring everyone else down to your level.

Im Mot, and thats just my opinion.

[The Swerve]

yr, no need to explain yourself at all. We completely understand.

Good to have you back on the board.

[yr]

The swerve... thanks

TheMot,

i have no any misconception that i was the one who
can tell what is suitable matter and was is not
for laughing.
I merely said it is not appropriate to laugh on certain
subjects. But because malicious pleasure is the
greates pleasure of all, people tend to laugh
when somebody else has some misfortune...
Be it accident or whatever that harms someone,
there are no short of people who find this amusing
and who enjoy to see others misfortune,
i feel for sorry for them.

[selena]

I do not think that an accident is amusing at all. We have to thank God if we manage to escape death and be given a second chance.
Makes one think how fragile life is.

[yr]

Well said, Selena.

It is amazing how you see things differently after
you or somebody real close has been in life
threatening situation. Every little thing you do
everyday has new meaning... its unbelivable.

BTW this gives me really new perspective to
judge Mikas come back after his huge shunt in
Adelaide, i just cant figured it out how he managed
to return to drive in such a way he did.

[Ripples]

to be able to laugh about death and at the face of death is a great thing. Morbid jokes may not fit everyone's taste, but it doesn't make them "bad humour."

YR, do not doubt that each and every one of the posters here sympathise with you and would go to great lengths to support you and ease your pain if they only could. Also, do no doubt that any of the people here wish Prost's wife or Prost himself any tragedy.

There is no viciousness here so please do not unleash your justified rage and frustration on people here unjustifiably.

Welcome back, though; I missed your short-lined posts

[SalutGilles]

Great to see you back, yr. I hope the kids are doing well.

I won't pretend I know what it's like to loose someone, but I do have a girlfriend, and, even I am at the tender age of 18, I do think about her being taken from me. I always yell at her to wear her seatbelt.

It's funny, because I KNOW I'm invincible, but it's scary to think what it would be like if she wasn't here.

[JayWay]

"what do teenagers know about serious crisis
of adults"

Well sure that statement could be traced to myself, I havn't gone through the stuff you have gone through, but it's unfair to generalize others people my age as having it easy or having not gone through anything.

I'm sorry if I offended you, I didn't mean to sound morbid, maybe I posted without thinking, but I still don't think my post was out of line. Fact is no one died in the accident, and it will probably end up being a story Prosts kids tell their friends joined with a round of beer while their friends all listen in awe. Since no one died, it can be looked at as an 'experience' rather than a tragedy of some sort.

And I don't want to offend you, but not everyone looks apon death the same way. It is not bad to joke about things like this as long as it is in the right frame of mind. Look at JV, he almost died in the same country as his father doing the same thing, and mintues later when asked by the press how he felt, he commented that it was his best crash ever. People were offended, yet the actuall son of Gilles who experienced it looked at it as some sort of merit to have gone through it.

People are different, people do not think the same.


Anyways I hope you feel better soon, my thought are with you are your kids.

[Lantern]

Glad to see yr hasn't changed all that much......

He still found a way to boost Mika in a thread that wasn't headed in his direction in any way

[Cinquecento]

Hehe, my thought exactly, Lantern!

Good to see you're back, YR. Amazing thing, just seconds before I opened this thread I thought about you, wondering whether I should post a thread asking if anyone knew how you were doing. I hope things are getting better.

On topic, Prost is straight. Word has it he was actually bit of a ladies man, nosing around pitbabes and stuff, but since he got married he stopped, and is not willing to discuss his past behavior. I read an article written by him, and he said that himself!! Showoff...

[Smooth]

Originally posted by yr:
Smooth, bigblue, jayway...

Very funny, very funny indeed...
but have you guys ever thought what it is like to
lose someboby that you really love without any
warning , if any of you is old enough to even
date with a girl (which i seriously doubt), then
try to think if AP had lost his wife in that accident.

YR: Just FYI:

I am 32 years old, married for 6 years, and 9 years ago watched my best friend die in a car only 300 yards in front of me as I followed him home from the mechanics where the idiots had not properly torqued the wheel lug nuts on the left front tire, causing him to slide into an intersection and be hit square in the drivers side door.
If you want more details about the accident, or pictures of the car, e-mail me.

I myself was knocked off of my motorcycle 7 weeks ago today, breaking my right patella, and lying stuck under my motorcycle for about 20 minutes, with no help at all.

As far as AP: His wife and family were fine.

I understand you are going through a hard time, so I will take your lapse as just a result.

Cheers (and welcome back)!

Smooth



[This message has been edited by Smooth (edited 05-19-2000).]

[Smooth]

Originally posted by Cinquecento:
On topic, Prost is straight. Word has it he was actually bit of a ladies man, nosing around pitbabes and stuff.

Brilliant choice of words!

[Em Gee]

Prost would have won two additional WDCs even without the current scoring system in place had the FIA not meddled with the points system.

In 1984, he and Niki Lauda were both at McLaren and Lauda beat Prost in the WDC by half a point. At Monaco, Prost was leading a charging Senna when heavy rain forced the race to be stopped. It was decided that instead of the regular points being given, half of the points would be handed out. Instead of getting 9 points for first, (the old system) Prost got 4.5. This cost him the WDC to Lauda. Had he been given 9 points, he would have won the Championship by 4 points.

Then, in 1988, the FIA had set up a system wherein drivers kept the points from their 11 best finishes. Prost had a total of 105, and wound up having to drop (I believe) 10 points, which gave Senna the WDC.

Had Prost won that year, and in 1984, he would have wound up with 6 WDCs, and would have won Championships in 3 straight years - 84, 85, and 86.

[Pascal]

Originally posted by Em Gee:
Prost would have won two additional WDCs even without the current scoring system in place had the FIA not meddled with the points system.

In 1984, he and Niki Lauda were both at McLaren and Lauda beat Prost in the WDC by half a point. At Monaco, Prost was leading a charging Senna when heavy rain forced the race to be stopped. It was decided that instead of the regular points being given, half of the points would be handed out. Instead of getting 9 points for first, (the old system) Prost got 4.5. This cost him the WDC to Lauda. Had he been given 9 points, he would have won the Championship by 4 points.

Em Gee, I'm afraid you omitted to mention one important point in your account. The half point system has always been in place, and therefore still is nowadays:

2000 FIA Formula One World Championship Sporting Regulations
Last update 24 January 2000


22) Points for both titles will be awarded at each Event according to the following scale :

1st: 10 points.
2nd: 6 points.
3rd: 4 points.
4th: 3 points.
5th: 2 points.
6th: 1 point.


23) If a race is stopped under Articles 155 and 156, and cannot be restarted, no points will be awarded in case A, half points will be awarded in case B and full points will be awarded in case C.


156) The procedure to be followed varies according to the number of laps completed by the race leader before the signal to stop the
race was given :

Case A. Less than two full laps. If the race can be restarted, Article 157 will apply.

Case B. Two or more full laps but less than 75% of the race distance (rounded up to the nearest whole number of laps). If the race
can be restarted, Article 158 will apply.

Case C. 75% or more of the race distance (rounded up to the nearest whole number of laps). The cars will be sent directly to the
parc fermé and the race will be deemed to have finished when the leading car crossed the Line at the end of the lap prior to that
during which the signal to stop was given.

As you can see, it is quite tricky to rewrite history!

[JEKS]

yr,

I'm pretty new to this board but firstly and foremost, I'd like to say how very, very, sorry I am for your loss. To lose someone you love is the worst thing that could happen to anyone.

Although I'm fortunate enough to have never lost anyone immediately close to me, my family and I have been through times of recent, and even though I'm only 20, I can honestly sat that a life changing incident, whether it be losing someone you love, illness like cancer, family or financial problems, changes you in a big, big way. You inevitably become more thoughtful and sensitive, particularly to other people as they may be having a crisis of their own.
You also become much more serious and you naturally find it harder to smile or 'have a laugh'or a 'bit of fun'. Therefore a joke to one person may be extremely painful to another, just like in this situation. I'm not lecturing anyone, but I think yr deserves sympathy and complete support from EVERYONE.

And Paste, to say something as incredibly insensitive as that makes me wonder.

[JEKS]

yr,

I'm pretty new to this board but firstly and foremost, I'd like to say how very, very, sorry I am for your loss. To lose someone you love is the worst thing that could happen to anyone.

Although I'm fortunate enough to have never lost anyone immediately close to me, my family and I have been through times of recent, and even though I'm only 20, I can honestly sat that a life changing incident, whether it be losing someone you love, illness like cancer, family or financial problems, changes you in a big, big way. You inevitably become more thoughtful and sensitive, particularly to other people as they may be having a crisis of their own.
You also become much more serious and you naturally find it harder to smile or 'have a laugh'or a 'bit of fun'. Therefore a joke to one person may be extremely painful to another, just like in this situation. I'm not lecturing anyone, but I think yr deserves sympathy and complete support from EVERYONE.

And Paste, to say something as incredibly insensitive as that makes me wonder.

[Em Gee]

Pascal, thanks for the clarification on the rules. As I was writing the post, I did seem to recall the half-points were given since the race was not complete. My choice of the term 'meddle' was definitely off base in that regard.

You're right about rewriting history -- the other fact is you can't change it!

[yr]

Jayway, Smooth and Jeks,

good posts, i have to say i was a bit too touchy,
Jayways example (JV at Spa) was very good.

Lantern , you are right, i always find a way to
boost MH even if the title has nothing to do with him.

[Paste]

JEKS, take what I said however you want. I didn't mean it maliciously, but if that's what you'd like to believe, be my guest.

In fact, one of my good friends was killed in a car accident a couple years ago. Some drunk 50 year old m*********er was on his way home from his birthday, and ran into Bob's car. Killed him.

Anyways, I really do feel sorry for YR. It's very sad that anyone ever has to deal with what he's been through. I just felt that the Swerve, Jayway, etc were all doing it in jest, and the harshness of his reply wasn't warranted.

Anyways JEKS, I don't really give a **** what you think of me, I know the way I meant what I wrote, and that's all that matters to me.

[JEKS]

Paste,

Listen mate, I'm sorry if it sounded as though I was having a go at you. I wasn't really. It's just that from personal experience that I can't go into detail about, I feel very strongly (perhaps too strongly) about this topic and it's undoubtably a very, very delicate situation.

Saying something supportive can go a long, long way, whilst saying something slightly insensitive can have a really damaging effect, especially when the individual concerned is having such a rough time. I mean, is having a laugh so important that it's okay to put a person's feelings second, no matter how small the jibe?

[Paste]

Sorry JEKS, I took it as you pissing on me..

Differing viewpoints, differing opinions.

[BT52]

About the point where someone said Prost would have won 6 titles if there had been 10 points for a win in the 80s.

Well sorry but that just doesn't work.

In 1983 Piquet went into the last race 2 points behind Prost. Piquet tooka huge lead making his fuel stop without losing the lead.
When Prost retired he went easy on the car allowing himself to drop the 4th knowing he only needed 3 points.
He finished 3rd due to Lauda retiring.

The point is if he had gone into the race more points behind (ie if there had been 10 points for a win) then Nelson would simply have taken the win instead.

It's just an example, but it shows that the end result was actually shaped by the points system of the time.

PS. By my calculation Piquet would still have won by 1 point anyway in 1983 even with the new system.......