94 replies to this topic

[Peeko]

Alright, let'her rip. I want the good stuff and the bad stuff, no holding back. Vote, then explain why!!

And yes, I've heard of GPL thank you.

[HardRock]

I have F1 2002 and I don't like it.
I don't want to start an argument because everybody has his own opinon.
I don't have GP4 so I can't opinion, I have GP1 2 and 3 and I lke them more.

[A3]

F1 2002's physics are way better than GP4's in my book, simple as that. Sure, GP4 looks good, but in the end, I want to fight with the car to get my best lap out, that's what it's all about for me. I don't want to cruise around and see that only my line is getting wider when I attack a corner too fast in GP4.

Maybe it's me, but in F1 2002, if I feel the rear break away, I'm often able to save it, sometimes with a powerslide (like the first 4 screens in this post ), but in GP4 I haven't experienced anything like that.

When I'm busy doing a hotlap, I don't look at the graphics, it comes in 2nd or maybe even 3rd place. Sound is important too and GP4 sounds just like my lawnmower.

But if I want to do a quick race I'll load up GP4, it's fun, the AI is very good, the crashes and the replays are cool but for the rest it just doesn't do it for me.

[Chrissy Boy]

Pretty mutch what HardRock said, never liked EA F1 200X.

[daz]

Like what was said before, you either like the EA series or you don't ... its mixed option.

GP Series ...

[Davebo]

I've voted for F1 2002, without having tried GP4.

I'm reluctent to spend ( maybe waste) hard earned cash after being burned by GP3 and it's patented 'drive by rail' system! I'll download GP4, and if it turns out to be a world-beater - I'll buy the damn thing (maybe )

I like the physics and car feel of F1 2002. To actual have the car slide is a treat!

[baddog]

"I've voted for F1 2002, without having tried GP4."

well thats the second dumbest thing Ive heard this week.

Shaun

[daz]

Originally posted by baddog
well thats the second dumbest thing Ive heard this week.

What was the first ... ?

[The Kanisteri]

/Me plays just only Grand Theft Auto III with PS2...

(I haven't seen GP4 yet and EA's F12002 won't work without patch yet.)

:Þ

[Davebo]

Originally posted by baddog


well thats the second dumbest thing Ive heard this week.

Shaun

uhhh - Screw You?

I went on to qualify that statement, idiot...

Christ this place is going to hell lately!

[Chrissy Boy]

Finaly got F1 2002 to work, needed new drivers.

And yes it was fun to drive, but still I like the GP4 better. Will give it a nother go when my wheel arrives.

[A3]

Ok, i shot 2 short movies with my digicam, both from the bus stop at Spa, one from GP4 and one from F1 2002. Shot from the replay external camera, both in an Arrows, both on the limit with the default setup (It's more apparent that I was on the limit in the F1 2002 movie.... ).

GP4

F1 2002

Both movies are 2,5Mb.

[baddog]

Originally posted by Davebo



uhhh - Screw You?

I went on to qualify that statement, idiot...

Christ this place is going to hell lately!

hey I only said second dumbest. and nothing you said altered the fact you voted on which was the best game when you havent played both. duh. I havent voted because I havent played f1-2002, so my vote would be uninformed and silly. like yours.

get a sense of humour, and/or get the rod out of your ass

Shaun

[Chrissy Boy]

Got my wheel today, and tested F1 2002!

I must say it's perhaps better when it comes to driving feeling and it has mutch better sound!

Still imo the graffic in GP4 is better, but hell is darn fun to drive!

[El Presidente]

Grand Prix series. EA F1 series need to improve dramatically in certain aspects to have credibility. IMO the physics model has way too much suspension movement (it can be argued that GP4 doesn't have enough though). The look and feel of the game is typical EA arcade. Replay system is weak, can't simulate a season without actually driving it, can't save a race in progress, can't watch the outcome of the race if you crash out or retire, AI is non-existent, game manual is little more than a leaflet, simulates 2002 season yet the real season is only at its mid-point, lap times are bogus, tracks leave a lot to be desired, has the new Nurburgring and Hockenheim even though real F1 hasn't even turned a wheel there yet (hell, hockenheim isnt even finished !), these are the first things that spring to mind in which GP4 is superior.....but there are more.

Anyway its good that that are plenty of different F1 games around to suit the tastes of different people.

[AcidIce]

Having tried both, I have to agree with A3. In F12002 the car just feels more real, maybe a bit too wild, but that's the exact feeling I'd expect to get from an F1 sim.

Grand Prix 4 is just like any GPx game, it feels too much like Train Simulator.

[LuckyStrike1]

Originally posted by El Presidente
The look and feel of the game is typical EA arcade. Replay system is weak, can't simulate a season without actually driving it, can't save a race in progress,

Up until I read this I've decided that after having played GP2 and GP3 and have had a blast playing them I would go for EA F1 2002 instead. But these flaws ....what I really don't like is the "can't save a race in progress" ... that is really weak if that is the case. Who has the time to endure a whole 2 hour race?? I want to be able to save at certain points just to make sure I don't have to start all over again would I do a stupid mistake or something. are you sure a race can't be saved in progress!!????

[HardRock]

Originally posted by LuckyStrike1




Up until I read this I've decided that after having played GP2 and GP3 and have had a blast playing them I would go for EA F1 2002 instead. But these flaws ....what I really don't like is the "can't save a race in progress" ... that is really weak if that is the case. Who has the time to endure a whole 2 hour race?? I want to be able to save at certain points just to make sure I don't have to start all over again would I do a stupid mistake or something. are you sure a race can't be saved in progress!!????

No you can't but you can do shorter races, like 10 laps or something like that.

[daz]

Originally posted by LuckyStrike1




Up until I read this I've decided that after having played GP2 and GP3 and have had a blast playing them I would go for EA F1 2002 instead. But these flaws ....what I really don't like is the "can't save a race in progress" ... that is really weak if that is the case. Who has the time to endure a whole 2 hour race?? I want to be able to save at certain points just to make sure I don't have to start all over again would I do a stupid mistake or something. are you sure a race can't be saved in progress!!????

Haha - thats just crap, do you think the real drivers get to stop half way through a way and say, 'Oh, I would just like to stop here and come back later, its a race ... '

[confucius]

Well...it is pretty stupid not to have such a feature. I know I constantly save during races. I know Schuey can't say "hmm...I might screw up this lap, better save the race so I can re-load". Its just so in case something comes up and I have to leave a race before it finishes. Also, if I drive a full race I sure as hell can't be bothered sitting in front of my PC monitor for 2hours (nor would I have the time to). Its not "realistic"...but so what? Its for convenience.

[Brent]

Haha - thats just crap, do you think the real drivers get to stop half way through a way and say, 'Oh, I would just like to stop here and come back later, its a race ... '

Gee you're being a little hard on the man eh? : It's a game remember? Sometimes you have to run and get the washing in when it starts raining, or go get the kids from school, or take a leak.

A save option would be a great idea. But if there were two F12002 games, one without, and one with a save option, i'd like to think you'd buy the "Without" option.

[Punisher6]

From what I can tell GP4 apeals to the same people who don't like GPL, these people don't want to have to work at learning to drive the cars, they just want to get in and go. Some of us on the other hand want a game with challenging physics and are willing to work at learning how to control the car and learn to drive it on the limits, these people like the F120XX series, it keeps just getting better and better. People that think F12002 is arcadey haven't got a clue.

[baddog]

of course punisher it COULD be that some people just like the physics in gp4 even though you dont? I know its hard to imagine they might not be 'the kind of people who dont like gpl' which I assume is intended as some kind of 'ultimate geek' insult?

I love gpl. my favourite racing game ever. I also think gp4 rocks. gp3 sucked, gp4 bears no resemblance in any way. hence the idea that the gp games appeal to a sertain kind of person makes no sense

Shaun

[X-ray]

Excactly!

It's like saying F1 2002 appeals to the same people who like F1 Pole Position, that's the way they think a F1 car should handle.

[kanec]

Originally posted by Wolbo
I'll decide as soon as I'm through with GPL which will not be anytime soon.

That's right and you've got a -20.14 to beat!;)

[Brent]

Sheeeeeeeeesh! As any serious simmer know's, nothing, and i mean NOTHING, comes close to GPL. I should know. I spent a hard earn't 3 years trying to tame the beast!

[LuckyStrike1]

Originally posted by daz


Haha - thats just crap, do you think the real drivers get to stop half way through a way and say, 'Oh, I would just like to stop here and come back later, its a race ... '

Well I dunno about you but I'm not a real racingdriver, if I were I wouldn't be here but at Nurburgring celebrating pole or something.

For me I rarely have two hours to devote sitting in front of the PC doing nothing but playing. I have a life - meaning the phone rings, food is to be cooked, washing to be done, friends to visit and be visited by, a job to do etc etc etc. At the same time I want to play F1 games as real as possible - I don't want to have 25 lap races if I can have 50 lap races and so on. But I want to have the option to be able to save and come back if I have to do something else for a while or just loose patience for playing. If I want to have it for real, I wouldn't be playing games - I would get a racinglicense, get myself a racingcar and go racing for real at weekends. Playing games is for fun and entertainement. Sometimes I want a sim to play around with, sometimes I just want something arcade fun like a touring car game or GT3 or something just to kill a little time. I think most people are like that too. Maybe you choose games without save functions and prefer to spend hours after hours in front of the PC - I don't, so my choose is now simple, I will choose GP4 and I'm sure I'll have a blast playing another full racelength F1 season with it.

[Punisher6]

Originally posted by baddog
of course punisher it COULD be that some people just like the physics in gp4 even though you dont? I know its hard to imagine they might not be 'the kind of people who dont like gpl' which I assume is intended as some kind of 'ultimate geek' insult?

I love gpl. my favourite racing game ever. I also think gp4 rocks. gp3 sucked, gp4 bears no resemblance in any way. hence the idea that the gp games appeal to a sertain kind of person makes no sense

Shaun

So what's your opinion on F12002?

[AndreasNystrom]

F1 2002 is more advanced in physics then GPL for me, and GP4 feels like Colin McRae to me.

F1 2002 is the best if you dont count multiplayer.. otherwise GPL wins.

[baddog]

Originally posted by Punisher6


So what's your opinion on F12002?

I dont have it yet. as soon as I have I will comment. f1-2001 I didnt like the physics at all though but I wont assume f1-2002 is the same (people have been saying it IS similiar though).

I like the ' stick then snap' feel of the gp4 physics, its what I expect from an f1 car. Thats all Im commenting on, not on how it compares to f1-2002.

Shaun

[Punisher6]

Originally posted by baddog

I like the ' stick then snap' feel of the gp4 physics, its what I expect from an f1 car. Thats all Im commenting on, not on how it compares to f1-2002.

Shaun

You never see the F1 cars on TV sliding around? That's not stick and then snap, is it? I don't have GP4 yet either and I'm going on people saying that it's very similar to GP3(2K) myself. When they release GP4 in the US I'll buy it and give it a shot myself.

[AndreasNystrom]

The bad thing about GP4 physics is that it uses a pivotpoint i think, instead of simulating 4 different tires / suspension. Thats why you dont find Tire/camber setup in the garage for example.
Another thing is that when you spin the car rotates around its middleaxis from the look of it.
And no wheight-transfers.. thats why its feels like Colin Mcrae to me.

F1 2001 and 2002 is faboulus in physics. You can feel exactly what the car does.. and the FF is so much better then any other game in F1 2002. GP4 feels like a ordinary spring more or less.. no real ff effects.

[kanec]

Originally posted by AndreasNystrom
The bad thing about GP4 physics is that it uses a pivotpoint i think, instead of simulating 4 different tires / suspension. Thats why you dont find Tire/camber setup in the garage for example.
Another thing is that when you spin the car rotates around its middleaxis from the look of it.
And no wheight-transfers.. thats why its feels like Colin Mcrae to me.

F1 2001 and 2002 is faboulus in physics. You can feel exactly what the car does.. and the FF is so much better then any other game in F1 2002. GP4 feels like a ordinary spring more or less.. no real ff effects.

There is no feeling of weight transfer. If there was was regardless of the ommission of tire camber, it would be a lot better of a sim. Unfortunately it ain't.

I get wait you are saying 100% Andreas. You really can not turn the car on the accelerator.

[El Presidente]

Originally posted by daz


Haha - thats just crap, do you think the real drivers get to stop half way through a way and say, 'Oh, I would just like to stop here and come back later, its a race ... '

Sometimes I think about this aspect....

.....but Schumacher, Montoya & Co. are FULL TIME drivers, they work, live, eat and sleep F1 (and **** F1 in Schummy's case). They train for F1, they test for F1, they are rich, lucky s.o.b.s that dont have a care in the world other than driving an F1 car fast. They have years experience and know their cars and the tracks like the back of their hands. They don't have their wives and gf's wanting attention in the middle of a race, they don't have to answer the phone or worry about uni exams or real work. I am a full time student and have 2 part-time jobs, and barely have time to spare. I try to learn a track and get a good setup in 30-40 laps or so on Friday and Saturday practice, and then I dive straight into qualifying. So after all my efforts I think I have every right to save a damn race right in the middle of it if I want to. I am NOT gonna do a bloody unrealistic 10 lap race in EA because the %&$£ arcade game wont let me save, thats for sure.

[El Presidente]

Originally posted by LuckyStrike1




Up until I read this I've decided that after having played GP2 and GP3 and have had a blast playing them I would go for EA F1 2002 instead. But these flaws ....what I really don't like is the "can't save a race in progress" ... that is really weak if that is the case. Who has the time to endure a whole 2 hour race?? I want to be able to save at certain points just to make sure I don't have to start all over again would I do a stupid mistake or something. are you sure a race can't be saved in progress!!????

Glad I made you aware of it!! Unfortunately I wasn't so lucky, as when EA F12001 was released a year or two ago I actually believed a post here in this forum where this guy claimed that it was awesome and much better than GP3. So I went out and bought it only to be hugely disappointed and pissed off at the moron who convinced me that it was so good. (I won't name names, but he is now on the F12002 bandwagon and has even posted in this thread! no hard feelings anyway).

[confucius]

Playing the F12002 demo, I found the FF to be hopeless! That's just my opinion, and maybe they've improved it for the released game.

[A3]

Originally posted by El Presidente


Glad I made you aware of it!! Unfortunately I wasn't so lucky, as when EA F12001 was released a year or two ago I actually believed a post here in this forum where this guy claimed that it was awesome and much better than GP3. So I went out and bought it only to be hugely disappointed and pissed off at the moron who convinced me that it was so good. (I won't name names, but he is now on the F12002 bandwagon and has even posted in this thread! no hard feelings anyway).

So he's a moron because he likes different things of the game ? Sad.

[AndreasNystrom]

confucius: In what way?, maybe you had the strength of the FF +100% ? it feels like the wheel is trying to steer left/right on the straights?.. my logitech uses reversed FF, so put the slider to -100% instead (fully to the left).

F1 2002 has the best FF of any game out right now, so i cant see how you are dissappointed with it, if its not what i think it is (FF strength on the wrong side).


another funny thing " when EA F12001 was released a year or two ago" <- actually it was released a couple of months ago.
But i cant see how you like GP3 better?, maybe you mean the AI is better or something?.

I cant stand playing against AI anyway, only play against real humans.

[El Presidente]

Originally posted by A3


So he's a moron because he likes different things of the game ? Sad.

Nah he's not a moron, that was a little joke, should have put some sorry

Each to his own........

[El Presidente]

Originally posted by AndreasNystrom

another funny thing " when EA F12001 was released a year or two ago" <- actually it was released a couple of months ago.
But i cant see how you like GP3 better?, maybe you mean the AI is better or something?.

I cant stand playing against AI anyway, only play against real humans.

A couple of months.....wow.........maybe I am living in another dimension than you are!! So there were two months between the release of F12001 and F12002? weird.

And yes in my opinion the AI is a HUGE factor in determining the better game IMO. I don't have a LAN or fast internet connection so multiplayer is out of the question. I want to be able to simulate a race weekend and the AI plays a huge part in this. Racing against bonehead AI just kills the enjoyment factor for me. So playing EA F1 I wouldnt want to race gainst the AI either I agree with you on that one.

[AndreasNystrom]

A couple of months yes.. i bought it on releaseday in sweden, and that was in october last year if i remember it correctly.

Still, the AI in GP4 atleast is bad. You get rearended by the AI, they bump into your side as if it was some touring-car race. You dont get those wheel to wheel-contacts like you did in GP3 where the cars launched into the sky, most of the times you just bump back, the ai dont see if you spin, they just drive right into you, and then continue to try to drive with you infront of you.
They run into each other too, and when you try to pass, they just let you pass, no challenge at all

[confucius]

Originally posted by AndreasNystrom
confucius: In what way?, maybe you had the strength of the FF +100% ? it feels like the wheel is trying to steer left/right on the straights?.. my logitech uses reversed FF, so put the slider to -100% instead (fully to the left).

F1 2002 has the best FF of any game out right now, so i cant see how you are dissappointed with it, if its not what i think it is (FF strength on the wrong side).

Nah its not that. I haven't had time to fiddle around with the settings much so maybe that's why. The FF (and I have a Logitech too) seems a little weak....like the wheel is a little loose on the straights/slight bends. I'll play around with it more after my exams and see if I can figure it out.

[A3]

It could be that you've got you FF configured for a joystick instead of a wheel.

[AndreasNystrom]

sounds like you just have to turn up FFB-strength in the logitech profiler.
But i dont advise you too, since the engine can be overheated.

[daz]

I just got the game ( GP4 ) - I just want to know, what machines you guys are running this game on. I have F1 2002 on full graphics running at 1024 x 768 and it runs smooth as. I run GP4 with everything on @ 1024 x 768, in free practice mode the game is fine and run's smooth, but when you add other cars in there, it slows down alot.

I am running a P4 1.6 256DDR Ram and a GF4 MX 440 - not the best video card, but still. Also, running the latest drivers etc etc, and they are tweaked because in my other games I play, I don't have a program. EG, DOD / CS / GTA3 etc - 100fps - I know they are a different type of game, but surely GP4 can't be that graphic intensive.

[daz]

After tweaking the settings etc, I've got the game running good with excellent graphics. It would run better under Windows 98 I think ... I might have to get on a dual boot.

[Kiwi]

Check out this comparison. Makes GP4 look extremely bad:

http://www.simbin.co...=ST&f=20&t=3976

[confucius]

I just got GP4 and have been playing it for a few hours now. Sadly, I have to agree and say that its not a great game. Apart from the nice little details (like mechanics), great track layout and cool sound, its a pretty weak game. The physics are rather pathetic - no ability to slide the car whatsoever. In fact, I'd say GP3 2000 is even better in this respect. And the force feedback is pretty weak too. I'm hoping to get the full version of F12002 sometime and see how it goes. But unfortunately, I'm really disappointed with Crammond's effort.

[pegasus]

Totally agree with A3 back on the top.
F12002 feels better than GP4.

Well, before I explain why I like F1 2002 better, some notes:

- F1 2001 (or F1 200X) has NOTHING to do with F1 2002. It has a new grafics, physics, AI and processing engine. So it wouldn't be nice to compare if you only played F1 2001.

GP4 looks amazing. I really turn all the graphics settings up sometimes, and drive slowly (cuz I get like 10 fps) just to see the nice graphics. But thats where it all ends.

Sound is not good at all, car models and paints are ok, but F1 2002 are better.
F1 2002 sound is better, handling, its faster and more realistic.

I also like to drive a Toyota in F1 2002, and there's no Toyota in GP4
Oh, also, the qualify monitor for GP4 is VERY nice. Impressive really, you can watch the other racers lap times, section times, etc, really nice.

I mean, both are great, I have them both installed and all, but I must confess that I enjoy F1 2002 better =)

[confucius]

I have to say, I actually really like the sound in GP4, although the sound in F12002 is nice too. I hate the cockpits in F12002 though (IIRC from the demo). I don't know why people criticise the cars in GP4. To me, they are actually quite well done, although I have to agree that SOME teams' nosecones are a bit off (i.e. the Ferrari). Don't forget these cars are based on last year's cars, not this year's. I think the programmers KNOW that there will be 3rd party updates and carsets available on the web, that's why they don't do a fantastically good job first time round.

On another note, how on earth do you view the other cars' times on the pit monitor? I can't seem to figure out how to get their real-time laptimes on the monitor. I know how to change the camera and stuff but that's it.

AND - is it possible to turn off the bloody mechanics who direct you out of the pits EVERY SINGLE FREAKIN' TIME? Its starting to annoy me after the novelty has worn off.

hmm...imagine if they were to combine both games into one. THAT would be an awesome game.