Jump to content


Photo

Who will be the next WDC, post MS?


  • Please log in to reply
41 replies to this topic

#1 Gimli

Gimli
  • Member

  • 59 posts
  • Joined: July 01

Posted 07 August 2002 - 02:59

Guys, who do you think will be WDC when Michael finally retires?

JPM? Ralf? Coulthard (finally ;) )? Kimi? Button? Alonso?

Advertisement

#2 B747

B747
  • Member

  • 1,315 posts
  • Joined: March 02

Posted 07 August 2002 - 03:13

Shumi's grandma.

#3 Riker!

Riker!
  • Member

  • 1,235 posts
  • Joined: June 02

Posted 07 August 2002 - 03:19

JPM? Ralf? Coulthard (finally )? Kimi? Button? Alonso?



Id say only 2 of then have a real chance. Kimi and Jpm and myabe Ralf. The rest are just too funny to serious. Alonso (Lets watch him drive for a real team first before we say he is WDC material). DC he says it everyyear. Button = BAR = Honda (and if Honda doesnt come to the party then neither will he).

#4 Ricardo F1

Ricardo F1
  • Member

  • 52,480 posts
  • Joined: August 99

Posted 07 August 2002 - 03:32

Originally posted by Riker!
DC he says it everyyear.


No, he doesn't.

I'd say JPM or Kimi - either that or whomever gets the Schumiseat at Ferrari in 2004/5.

#5 Gimli

Gimli
  • Member

  • 59 posts
  • Joined: July 01

Posted 07 August 2002 - 03:38

Or maybe none of the above, if MS stays until 2006.

#6 George Bailey

George Bailey
  • Member

  • 3,728 posts
  • Joined: June 00

Posted 07 August 2002 - 03:39

Ross Brawn.

Once MS leaves Ross will climb in the unbeatable Byrnemobile, make his own race decisions, and show the world anyone could win in the Ferrari. After all the drivers aren't very important parts of the F1 puzzle these days according to all the fans of the drivers who aren't winning. :)

#7 BuonoBruttoCattivo

BuonoBruttoCattivo
  • Member

  • 4,430 posts
  • Joined: February 02

Posted 07 August 2002 - 03:40

Ralf Schumacher.
Yes I know, but he knows how to put together a win (when he is in the mood).
He just needs to work on his mental strength.
As long as he learns to fight the psychological pressures of an obnoxious teamate, and has a good BMW propelling him towards win, he can do it after his bro leaves. :up:

#8 senninha

senninha
  • Member

  • 3,842 posts
  • Joined: May 99

Posted 07 August 2002 - 03:41

heart says Barrichello
reality says Montoya

#9 StickShift

StickShift
  • Member

  • 5,386 posts
  • Joined: September 01

Posted 07 August 2002 - 03:44

Hmm... heart says Montoya.
Reality says Barrichello.
Long shot says Alonso.

#10 Toyoter

Toyoter
  • Member

  • 1,538 posts
  • Joined: June 01

Posted 07 August 2002 - 04:18

I'll go ahead and toss in the obligatory "Ross Stonefeld" reply since no one else has done it yet :up:.

#11 GreenLantern

GreenLantern
  • Member

  • 572 posts
  • Joined: April 01

Posted 07 August 2002 - 04:27

Fisichella - this is predicated on Michael winning the WDC next year, then retiring in 2004, and Fisi joining him in Ferrari to win the title in 2004 or 2005.
I think Fisi has the talent, given the right car, he can do it. Of course, time is running out - Fisi will be 31 in 2004.

#12 Julius

Julius
  • Member

  • 553 posts
  • Joined: July 01

Posted 07 August 2002 - 06:29

JPM.

#13 Scoop

Scoop
  • Member

  • 1,789 posts
  • Joined: June 01

Posted 07 August 2002 - 06:41

Originally posted by StickShift
Hmm... heart says Montoya.
Reality says Barrichello.
Long shot says Alonso.


evenlonger shot.. yoong. :eek:

#14 Nikolas Garth

Nikolas Garth
  • Member

  • 12,019 posts
  • Joined: January 99

Posted 07 August 2002 - 06:46

Originally posted by Toyoter
I'll go ahead and toss in the obligatory "Ross Stonefeld" reply since no one else has done it yet :up:.

Whilst driving a Minardi

#15 joachimvanwing

joachimvanwing
  • Member

  • 465 posts
  • Joined: August 01

Posted 07 August 2002 - 06:50

Originally posted by BuonoBruttoCattivo
Ralf Schumacher.
Yes I know, but he knows how to put together a win (when he is in the mood).
He just needs to work on his mental strength.
As long as he learns to fight the psychological pressures of an obnoxious teamate, and has a good BMW propelling him towards win, he can do it after his bro leaves. :up:



I agree, somewhat like Piquet and Mansell in '87. The faster allways DNF and the more consistent winning in the end, but I fear it'll be MS next year who'll want the crown.

#16 dynamite7

dynamite7
  • Member

  • 576 posts
  • Joined: December 01

Posted 07 August 2002 - 06:57

Since their chance might only come in 2007, there is no guarentee that Williams or McLaren will still be top teams.

Raik or
Nyugen

#17 vogtsophob

vogtsophob
  • Member

  • 183 posts
  • Joined: January 02

Posted 07 August 2002 - 07:05

GMS

:)

#18 HSJ

HSJ
  • Member

  • 14,002 posts
  • Joined: October 00

Posted 07 August 2002 - 09:21

Uh... well... let's see... ummm... Kimi! :wave:

#19 Breadmaster

Breadmaster
  • Member

  • 2,512 posts
  • Joined: May 01

Posted 07 August 2002 - 10:34

kimi or jpm unsurprisingly!

Advertisement

#20 pRy

pRy
  • Member

  • 20,653 posts
  • Joined: March 99

Posted 07 August 2002 - 10:51

Valentino Rossi

#21 Math Soucy

Math Soucy
  • Member

  • 406 posts
  • Joined: May 01

Posted 07 August 2002 - 13:23

JPM or Kimi or another driver may emerge if a constructor distances itself from the field.

#22 molive

molive
  • Member

  • 9,799 posts
  • Joined: March 99

Posted 07 August 2002 - 13:52

Rubens Barrichello
Felipe Massa
Antonio Pizzonia
Cristiano Da Matta

actually, anyone Brazilian will do...even Tarso Marques. :)

but if they all fail, I´d settle for JPM...:

Actually, ANYONE but Ralfie boy. :p

#23 MrBreaker

MrBreaker
  • Member

  • 269 posts
  • Joined: June 02

Posted 07 August 2002 - 14:05

Has to be JPM or Kimi.
I'd say Fisi as well, but I think he's cursed to stay in a lousy team

#24 Alapan

Alapan
  • Member

  • 6,243 posts
  • Joined: October 00

Posted 07 August 2002 - 14:36

If Barrichelo stays after Schumi - then it will be Barrichelo.
Otherwise it will be Kimi or JPM.

Offcourse, if Alonso or Fisichella take MS's place at ferreri, then they could have a shot at the title too. It all depends on who replaces MS (and Rubens)

#25 Al.

Al.
  • Member

  • 1,422 posts
  • Joined: June 01

Posted 07 August 2002 - 14:43

Originally posted by dynamite7
Since their chance might only come in 2007, there is no guarentee that Williams or McLaren will still be top teams.

Raik or
Nyugen


I think there is a chance that one or other will be there. If you look at recent history ( the intervening period between Ferrari's WDC for Scheckter in '79 and MS in 2000) with the exception of 2 WDC for Piquet in a Brabham and 2 for Schui in a Benetton (Brawn/Byrne mobile) every other World Drivers Champion has been driving a McLaren or a Williams. Engines and personal etc have changed/evolved but Frank Patrick and Ron are still at their respective helms and are unlikely to forget how to be successful. Kind of makes you wonder what all these manufacturer owned teams are going to do short of following the Ferrari route and hiring Brawn/Byrne and MS

#26 Markku

Markku
  • Member

  • 115 posts
  • Joined: July 02

Posted 07 August 2002 - 14:52

Very simple answer.
Whomever will happen to have the best car in 2005.

#27 Henry

Henry
  • Member

  • 210 posts
  • Joined: August 01

Posted 07 August 2002 - 15:02

Originally posted by Markku
Very simple answer.
Whomever will happen to have the best car in 2005.


Sure, and that person will win the WDC once unless he is the equal or better of the car.
It's like inheriting money. From a fool it will quickly depart.

#28 Markku

Markku
  • Member

  • 115 posts
  • Joined: July 02

Posted 07 August 2002 - 15:23

"Sure, and that person will win the WDC once unless he is the equal or better of the car.
It's like inheriting money. From a fool it will quickly depart."

The top 10 drivers in F1 are ALL equal or better than their cars. Given the best car, they will be winning. When Hill had the best car, he won. When Schumi had the best car he won. When Mika had the best car, he won. Why didn't one of them win all the time???? would Schumacher win the title in Fisichella's Jordan or Massa' Sauber? no. Would Fisichella or Heidfeld win the title with an F1-2002 and the same attention Schumacher gets from the team? most likely (Rubens would win also, he he had the attention Schumacher has).

#29 Tec Freak

Tec Freak
  • Member

  • 222 posts
  • Joined: March 02

Posted 07 August 2002 - 16:03

Originally posted by Markku
[B

The top 10 drivers in F1 are ALL equal or better than their cars. Given the best car, they will be winning. [/B]


I think what you are saying is that the parity between drivers is greater than the parity between cars, or that the driver's relative contribuition to the system is not so great that he can overcome a significant disparity in another component.

For the most part, I agree. Give Coulthard another 40 reliable horsepower and he'll kick Schumi's tail all over every track, though Schumi is a clearly superior driver.

Thus, returning to the original post, the answer to the question depends mostly on who will be driving for Ferrari, McLaren or Williams over the next few years, and which of those 3 teams will have the best car (Nobody's buying the idea that Jag, BAR or Renault will suddenly break into the lead).

There is a total of 6 candidates (the two drivers for each team). Assuming McLaren and Williams keep the same drivers, KR and JPM are the likely candidates from those teams simply because they are consistently faster than their teammates and are fast learing how to drive an F1 race. As for Ferrari, the only question is who will succeed MS. If Ferrari picks up a real hot shot youngster, Barrichello will find that he is the next DC--doomed to forever come in second. If Ferrari picks up the next McNish instead, then Ruebens is the Ferrari candidate for WDC.

Who will have the best car of the three? My chrystal ball is not that clear.

#30 KenC

KenC
  • Member

  • 2,254 posts
  • Joined: August 01

Posted 07 August 2002 - 16:09

Originally posted by Gimli
Guys, who do you think will be WDC when Michael finally retires?

JPM? Ralf? Coulthard (finally ;) )? Kimi? Button? Alonso?


Rubinho or whoever his teammate is.

#31 BRG

BRG
  • Member

  • 21,952 posts
  • Joined: September 99

Posted 07 August 2002 - 16:21

Not Rubens, I fear. If he was good enough to be WDC, he would have taken 2nd places to Michael on a regular basis (DNFs permitting) - yet Coulthard beat him in the WDC standings last year. Even strapped into the #1 Ferrari, I don't think he could do it with a rampant post-Schumacher grid eager to assert itself.

Montoya - yes, of course he will. His first WDC is as inevitable as Senna's or Schumacher's were.

Who else? I still think Villeneuve could win again IF (and it's a very big IF) BAR and Honda can both get their act together, but time is running out for him. Coulthard is (despite all the nay-sayers) a possible, but only if McLaren can give him a decent car - I think he now has the experience to win a WDC, but again his time is running out fast. Heidfeld may be WDC material, but obviously not while he is at Sauber. Given the right move into a good car, he could do the business. The only other candidate currently in F1 may be Kimi, again if McLaren or some other future team can give him a competitive car. But he has to build up his experience and race-craft and of course start winning some races before he will be a credible contender.

I had high hopes for Sato, but his days in F1 look numbered, so I don't know if he will ever have a WDC opportunity. A pity, as I think he has the potential to be an exciting and charismatic champion. I also had hopes of Pizzonia but I have to say that I am losing faith in him. Another candidate not yet in F1 is Giorgio Pantano, who I am starting to like the look of - a real gutsy racer who gets results. Put him down for a WDC in 4 or 5 years time maybe?

#32 Nikolas Garth

Nikolas Garth
  • Member

  • 12,019 posts
  • Joined: January 99

Posted 07 August 2002 - 16:32

Originally posted by BRG
Who else? I still think Villeneuve could win again IF (and it's a very big IF) BAR and Honda can both get their act together,

What is the likelyhood of that? 1000 to 1?

#33 fifi

fifi
  • Member

  • 12,324 posts
  • Joined: March 01

Posted 07 August 2002 - 16:34

Originally posted by Nikolas Garth
What is the likelyhood of that? 1000 to 1?


heh would be worth betting on anyway

#34 coyoteBR

coyoteBR
  • Member

  • 4,085 posts
  • Joined: January 99

Posted 07 August 2002 - 16:35

Considering MS's will to race... I would say Hugo Hakkinen. :p

#35 SlateGray

SlateGray
  • Member

  • 6,825 posts
  • Joined: August 00

Posted 07 August 2002 - 16:46

Jacques in a BAR

#36 No27

No27
  • Member

  • 1,254 posts
  • Joined: May 01

Posted 07 August 2002 - 17:55

Barrichello, Ralf, Coulthard, JPM, Raikonen and the guy that joins Ferrari when Michael retires, and only if everybody stays where he is right now.

If Schumacher stays another three years and wins the WDC every year, the then first driver of Toyota might have a chance: Toyota is the only team that can bankroll the amount of money that is needed to conquer Ferrari.

#37 Markku

Markku
  • Member

  • 115 posts
  • Joined: July 02

Posted 07 August 2002 - 19:01

Tec

"I think what you are saying is that the parity between drivers is greater than the parity between cars, or that the driver's relative contribuition to the system is not so great that he can overcome a significant disparity in another component.

For the most part, I agree. Give Coulthard another 40 reliable horsepower and he'll kick Schumi's tail all over every track, though Schumi is a clearly superior driver.

Thus, returning to the original post, the answer to the question depends mostly on who will be driving for Ferrari, McLaren or Williams over the next few years, and which of those 3 teams will have the best car"


Exactly, thank you for putting it in better english

#38 Amir_S

Amir_S
  • Member

  • 1,566 posts
  • Joined: February 02

Posted 07 August 2002 - 19:55

If williams gets a grip on them selves than it will be JPM. No doubt about that. In equal or near equal cars he will blow both Ralf and Kimi of the face of the earth.

#39 B747

B747
  • Member

  • 1,315 posts
  • Joined: March 02

Posted 07 August 2002 - 20:11

SlateGray

Jacques in a BAR




this is more funny than my post! :)

Advertisement

#40 SlateGray

SlateGray
  • Member

  • 6,825 posts
  • Joined: August 00

Posted 07 August 2002 - 20:36

Originally posted by B747



this is more funny than my post! :)


I am fairly sure Jacques could take poor ol-Grandma. Even if her Yogo is a bit quicker than Jacques BAR!!

#41 John B

John B
  • Member

  • 7,630 posts
  • Joined: June 99

Posted 07 August 2002 - 20:36

Originally posted by Nikolas Garth
Whilst driving a Minardi


presumably not with Damon as co pilot......

Would have to agree with Montoya, I see him at the point now where Senna was with Lotus and MS in 92-93 with Benetton...even while they were just winning a race or two you knew they were just waiting for the opportunity

#42 B747

B747
  • Member

  • 1,315 posts
  • Joined: March 02

Posted 08 August 2002 - 00:02

SlateGray quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by B747



this is more funny than my post!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------



I am fairly sure Jacques could take poor ol-Grandma. Even if her Yogo is a bit quicker than Jacques BAR!!



Ok, I accept Jacques could, but I have serious doubts BAR will make it before he is too old, probably Toyota will make it sooner, so truly there are only five candidates left after shumi leave, Rubens, JPM and Ralf and surely Kimmi and DC. there will be great battles between all of them like in the good all times. they all can and sure in two years there will be a couple more names to add.