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[BuonoBruttoCattivo]

Hello all...
I posted this on Tifosi-Club, but want to share w/ you.

For those who read Italian here is the link

http://www.gazzetta.....748774414.html

Basically, the mayor of Monza says that a project is underway to hopefully a build an oval around the Monza track. Grandstands Indy-style et all. Funds will have to be found for this very, very long term project, for Monza is the only circuit on the F1 calendar that is totally financially self-sufficient. Anyways, I am not a big fan of oval racing but it sounds exciting no matter what. What do you peoples think? CART or IRL in the peninsula?

[Scudetto]

Any oval around Monza should include some part of the old banking. THAT would be something to see.

[flyboy]

An oval sounds interesting but it could not utilize the old banking, which is deteriorated beyond repair.
The old banking was very bumpy from day one and the present day cars could not last a lap on it. Also, the old banking is falling apart and is unsafe. I believe that there has been some discussion of tearing the old banking down because of it's condition.

[Scudetto]

I know. That's just my romanticism at work. But if they're going to build an oval AROUND Monza, that's going to be one F--ing big oval.

[Gus]

I hate the idea, but with Max Papis trying to land a NASCAR ride... Who knows?

[BuonoBruttoCattivo]

Originally posted by Scudetto
I know. That's just my romanticism at work. But if they're going to build an oval AROUND Monza, that's going to be one F--ing big oval.

Sure, but Italy right now has the largest oval in the world.
Its called Nardo' [a banked-circular really] and the thing is a monster.
I belive its 4 Kms in diametre. 12 kms circum.
I saw it from a plane once and my mouth dropped at its immensity.
Its used for super-secret auto testing.

[ebin]

Isn't the Firestone test track in Texas even longer?

[BuonoBruttoCattivo]

Originally posted by ebin
Isn't the Firestone test track in Texas even longer?

Alright, alright, make that largest in Europe

[Jhope]

Originally posted by BuonoBruttoCattivo


Sure, but Italy right now has the largest oval in the world.
Its called Nardo' [a banked-circular really] and the thing is a monster.
I belive its 4 Kms in diametre. 12 kms circum.
I saw it from a plane once and my mouth dropped at its immensity.
Its used for super-secret auto testing.

This is the track where the Lamborghini Murcielago set the official FIA Hour Record of 200mph?

[BuonoBruttoCattivo]

Originally posted by Jhope


This is the track where the Lamborghini Murcielago set the official FIA Hour Record of 200mph?

Yes sah!

[Mrv]

Originally posted by BuonoBruttoCattivo


Sure, but Italy right now has the largest oval in the world.
Its called Nardo' [a banked-circular really] and the thing is a monster.
I belive its 4 Kms in diametre. 12 kms circum.
I saw it from a plane once and my mouth dropped at its immensity.
Its used for super-secret auto testing.

Schumi was spotted doing a few laps on that oval with the New F2003. He said I have never had as much fun as this!!!!

[Dunder]

Originally posted by Mrv



Schumi was spotted doing a few laps on that oval with the New F2003. He said I have never had as much fun as this!!!!

[Flying Panda]

I hope its not too long, I would love to see a 3rd European Race on the CART Calander
(or 2nd, for that matter )

[Vunz]

The should resurrect the old 4.3 km oval of Monza. That would be great.

[100cc]

Originally posted by Mrv



Schumi was spotted doing a few laps on that oval with the New F2003. He said I have never had as much fun as this!!!!

good one.

[Martijn]

Originally posted by Vunz
The should resurrect the old 4.3 km oval of Monza. That would be great.

Uh.. with 100% and more of banking? i dont think the drivers will like blacking out in every corner
Considering the trouble CART had last year (?) at one oval with too much banking... and that was only like 15% iirc.

[Vunz]

Well, the loop is there, instead of removing the oval alltogether, they could replace it with a new one.

[Flying Panda]

Originally posted by Martijn
Uh.. with 100% and more of banking? i dont think the drivers will like blacking out in every corner
Considering the trouble CART had last year (?) at one oval with too much banking... and that was only like 15% iirc.

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[BRG]

n with the trouble that they have at Monza clearing even a few trees to change the curetn circuit, how will they be allowed to clear the lot to build an oval? Isn't Monza in the old royal park which is a conservation are of some sort?

And I am not sure about the comment about Monza being the only circuit on the F1 calendar that is totally financially self-sufficient. I know that many tracks get national or local government support but who is bankrolling tracks like Hockenheim, Nurburgring, Silverstone, Indianapolis or Spa. Surely some of these are self-sufficient?

[RedFever]

Sorry to piss off some here, but it will never happen. AT Monza it is already a major problem to enlarge the off area of one single turn, imagine building an entire oval with grandstands!! we would be all dead before it is completed.

The problem is that Monza the circuit is located in a park that is a natural reserve (yes, only in Italy we can come up with something like that.....this is Lumbardy, easily the most poluted area in Italy....). So, cutting trees is not allowed. Every time Monza has been slightly modified and say 15 trees had to go, poltical battles started among organizers, promoters, the FIA, the Green Party, the local government, the sport press, the local press, the national press....you can get the picture. Cut the trees, don't cut the trees, protests, manifestations. Just absurd.

So, don't you ever consider that a possibility. An oval in Italy? quite possible. Anywhere but in Monza, though.......

[Slyder]

Use the old Banking layout

Damaged beyond repair? Well, duh, tear it down and rebuild it. it would be such a great idea

if its still repairable, FIX IT!!!

[aportinga]

Nardo Track Map

I agree (if it is possible) to re-build the old oval with less degree then the original. That way Monza would become an "all purpose track".

[ForzaF1]

absolutlely! replace the old banking with new, less banked track. Make F1 the combined circuit again. I'm not a fan of oval "racing" but one race a year on a combined oval/road-course at Monza would be great!

[Mickey]

There was a snippet in Gazzetta dello Sport two days ago about the old banking, of which I posted in TNF. I think it might be of interest to this discussion.

Here's a rough translation of it:

Monza, the town council thinks the banking must go.

The Monza Park Councillor thinks that "The autodrome banking degrades the park and is an insult to human intelligence. It must be demolished," explained Councillor Gianpiero Mosca, "to revive the green strip, enlarging it. Today, inside the autodrome, this strip is corroded by large areas of tar and concrete."

According to Mayor Michele Faglia, "SIAS is working on a project to revive the entire area of the autodrome. We have asked, as administrators, that one of the objectives is to understand whether the banking can be reutilized, if it could be compatible with the restoring of the historical perspective of the park, as it was intended by Architect Canonica who designed the Monza park, perhaps by dismantling only parts of it."

This is a never ending saga. Personally I'll be very sad the day the banking is demolished, if it will indeed.

[Psychoman]

If it's in as bad a shape as it sounds, perhaps it is best for it to be taken down. However, building a new banking to replace it would be bloody great

[pRy]

I'll buy a piece!