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[Buford]

http://www.indystar....?stewart07.html

[Ross Stonefeld]

now thats classy

I hope i become such a great driver that i can shove photographers, reporters, officials, and fans and behave like a general idiot, and still get millions a year.

[Todd]

If Tony gets kicked out of NASCAR, he should go to formula 1. The fans aren't allowed anywhere near the drivers in F1!

[Bladrian]

What I find worrying is that a man who is THAT much out of control - is allowed to race. Does this say something about NASCAR races, or the NASCAR organisation .... or both?

[917k]

You don't think its JUST possible that someone is trying to make a few bucks off of poor Tony,do you?

I don't really like the guy but I'll wait for the hardcopy before I lynch him.

[Bladrian]

Originally posted by 917k
You don't think its JUST possible that someone is trying to make a few bucks off of poor Tony,do you?

I don't really like the guy but I'll wait for the hardcopy before I lynch him.

JUST possible? Let's see. This is the second year in a row he's been put on probation; just one month ago he hit a photographer; both NASCAR and his sponsor have fined him thousands of dollars, and his sponsor is threatening to terminate his contract; and Stewart himself feels obliged to attend anger management classes ....

Nooooo. Not possible. The man's out of control, alright.

[Buford]

Yes it could just be an allegation for financial reasons. But if a cop saw it, we'll need to hear what he says.

[Paste]

I'm going to side with the assholes who are already proclaiming him guilty.

Oh wait, no I'm not. Give the guy the benefit of the doubt. It's just as likely that the woman is trying to make some money off of him. Tony's been taking anger management courses, at least have the class to back off until we know for sure what happened.

[Ross Stonefeld]

When someone has a history, its not an accident to make them a suspect.

[RiverRunner]

Originally posted by Paste
Give the guy the benefit of the doubt.

Assholes?
Niiiiiice...

Tony's benefit of the doubt went out after about the third time he's done this same thing.
If,and I'm also still on the fence about this,he did do something harsh to someone in his way and the cop saw it and reported it,then TS' ass is probably gone.Any other car owner than Gibb's would give a rat's ass in all likelihood,but Home Depot and Gibb's have both stated that the next time is the last time.
So he moves to another NASCAR team or even the irl where drunks and women beaters are all welcomed with open arms and no questions asked.
His career as a race driver is far from over,except perhaps as a Gibbs employee.

[Paste]

Funny, tonight Tony said that nothing will come of the investigation. Guess we'll see who's right.

[Ross Stonefeld]

Like when the police went to Al Jr and Little Al responded "i dont even know that lady" ?


Stewart's a greaseball, regardless of the outcome of this incident. Heck of a driver though.

[Lateralus42]

I knew that Stewart guy was a little punk ever since I saw that video of him pushing Robby Gordon in the back. hey, Robby can be an ass but if you are going to push the guy at least do it to his face.


On a related note I tried to watch the NASCAR race tonight, but I gave up after 11 laps. 1 yellow, 1 red flag, 6 or 7wrecked cars, Dear Lord!! Well at least the fans in the stands seem to be having a good time.

[Buford]

And a shoving match among the mechanics. Coming from a family whose mother once started a big riot at a stock car race I can only say, "Yee Haaw, dat dere is real racin'."

[Buford]

It seems they had a baby sitter with Stewart who says nothing happened.

http://espn.go.com/r...07/1428719.html

[John B]

Fans pulling stuff on NASCAR drivers is nothing new - I think many of the big stars have had bodyguards at one point or another.

As soon as I saw this story I was suspicious. TS has made it very public that he intends to deal with his problem, and Gibbs has put some effort into overseeing this. I find it very hard to believe he fell off the wagon within a couple weeks.

The race is on now, and it looks like Gordon and Marlin are both going to finish well back while TS is running second, so this has the potential to be a huge race as far as the points go - TS along with Martin could be BIG beneficiaries.

[Option1]

Originally posted by Buford
It seems they had a baby sitter with Stewart who says nothing happened.

http://espn.go.com/r...07/1428719.html

I wonder if the babysitter's name is Dr. S. Pin ;)

Neil

[RiverRunner]

Originally posted by Option1
I wonder if the babysitter's name is Dr. S. Pin

[Paste]

Originally posted by Ross Stonefeld
Like when the police went to Al Jr and Little Al responded "i dont even know that lady" ?

No, not like that. Stewart probably doesn't know the woman. Al didn't get charged either though, did he? Didn't think so.

[Buford]

When she refused to press charges after sobering up and remembering where her meal ticket came from.

[Ross Stonefeld]

Originally posted by Paste


No, not like that. Stewart probably doesn't know the woman. Al didn't get charged either though, did he? Didn't think so.

Im just saying when the accused deny, that isnt simply the end of the story

[Paste]

Yah, I understand that.

Nothing to add to this thread.

[RiverRunner]

Originally posted by Buford
When she refused to press charges after sobering up and remembering where her meal ticket came from.

[Buford]

$150,000 a year "Personal Assistant". She decided to do a little more "assisting."

[Ross Stonefeld]

Id like to think I could hire a hotter chick for $150,000 a year

[RiverRunner]

Originally posted by Ross Stonefeld
Id like to think I could hire a hotter chick for $150,000 a year

I didn't think this thread would go this way,but hey it's got entertainment value,that's fer sure.
Must be a NASCAR thing.;)

[ensign14]

Notice a police officer witnessed the event but did not consider making an arrest.

Notice also that the chap in charge of the cops is up for election this year.

Notice also that there seems to be a period between the incident and a complaint being made.

[TheD2JBug]

okay
I suppose I should chime in ..

Untill evidence BS

DAMM YOU MOTTIE !!!

[Newtsche]

Originally posted by Lateralus42
I knew that Stewart guy was a little punk ever since I saw that video of him pushing Robby Gordon in the back. hey, Robby can be an ass but if you are going to push the guy at least do it to his face.

There was also a not dissimilar incident with Jeff Gordon from Watkins Glen...JG confronted TS and TS turned tail. Once safely surrounded by his boys, TS turned and hurled cowardly eptithets. When I heard a woman was the victim of Stewart's latest antics, I had to laugh. I never heard the specifics -- buried, I imagine -- of the photographer assault, I had to assume there was some significance to it judging on the responses after. As one who worked many years in news photography, I know that one's equipment can limit his vision and mobility, once again I'm thinking Stewart cheap-shotted the guy. Tony's on-track bravery seems at odds with his off-track dicklessness.

[Bladrian]

Hey, Mr N!

Great to see your wise old phizzog here. (erm ... that's 'face', to the Cousins)

I also enjoyed Buford's contribution about Ma Stewart starting a riot in the stands .... would love to see a photo of the Auntie. heh.

But this still leaves my question unanswered - where does the participation of a driver this much out of control leave the NASCAR series, or it's organisation? Don't-give-a-crap-let-the-mothers-race Hog waller idiots, or is Stewart an anomaly and the series has real value?

[Newtsche]

Originally posted by Bladrian
But this still leaves my question unanswered - where does the participation of a driver this much out of control leave the NASCAR series, or it's organisation? Don't-give-a-crap-let-the-mothers-race Hog waller idiots, or is Stewart an anomaly and the series has real value?

"..value"

Hmmm, two old aphorisms come to mind: You can't argue with success and There is no such thing as bad publicity. I will add that a weekend like this -- no F1, no CART -- NASCAR's better than nothing and less illegitimate than the other option available...the irl (which I'll probably watch, too **sigh**). Last night's winner at Richmond Matt Kenseth is from Wisconsin, I believe, well-spoken and a credit to the series, the mold is being broken...kinda. Anyway, surprised and happy to see you here, now go wash up.

[Buford]

Originally posted by Bladrian


I also enjoyed Buford's contribution about Ma Stewart starting a riot in the stands .... would love to see a photo of the Auntie. heh.

Sorry I didn't make that clear. It was MY MOTHER who started a riot in the pits after a race in the 1950s.

[John B]

For more NASCAR antics the Fox show Totally Nascar tonight is showing video of Ricky Rudd fighting with his pit crew member...the story as I've heard was Rudd complained about his engines, the crew member got mad after the race, and stuff hit the fan - a water bottle was thrown at some point

[Galaxy]

Hahaha no wonder my country has been slow to accept F1. Kimi should shove some helpless woman around, Schumacher should throw a water bottle at his crew, and maybe get Coulthard to throw his Helmet at a passing car. That should get all the rednecks and illiterates to pay attention to F1.

[Bart]

Joe Gibbs is somebody who I respect, and I don't think he would claim that he had team members with Tony, who saw nothing out of the ordinary, if that weren't so. My gut feeling is that this woman is trying to make something out of a very minor incident ,based on Tony's reputation. When I was at the Rockingham CART race last year, Paul Tracy went up the wrong stairs for driver introductions on top of the pit building and had to walk through the crowd. In doing so, he elbowed me out of the way -- can I sue?

That said, Tony Stewart has a problem, but he seems to be aware of it and hopefully will learn to deal with it. You have to give the guy some credit for the rather humble comments he made in the press after his fines from NASCAR and his sponsor.

For me, NASCAR's in a bit of an odd situation. Historically, it's all been about trading paint and this is what the fans love. Similarly, the fans love to see the drivers getting heated over collisions (witness the crowd cheer at Bristol after Ward Burton threw his heel protectors at Dale Earnhardt Jr's car -- for which he was fined by NASCAR for actions "detrimental to stock car racing", which is kind of silly since that's exactly the sort of thing that gets the fans into Bristol), and NASCAR seems to accept that that's part of the sport. But when so much money is on the line as it is now, is it right to call everything a "racing incident" when driver X nudges driver Y out of the way and wrecks him? When this sort of stuff goes on, you're going to have drivers who go off the boil. We've seen Schumacher do it after he ran into the back of DC at Spa in the rain a couple of years back -- if that sort of thing was going on every week, it's hardly a surprise that there's at least one driver who has difficulty handling it.

[Bart]

Originally posted by Newtsche:
Last night's winner at Richmond Matt Kenseth is from Wisconsin, I believe, well-spoken and a credit to the series, the mold is being broken...kinda.

I can't think of a single NASCAR WC driver who isn't "well-spoken". OK, so Bill Elliot and Sterling Marlin have very pronounced southern accents, but they're from the south so what do you expect? But with the amount of PR work and commitments to sponsors. and TV interviews, everybody in NASCAR is able to string coherent sentences together and has been for many years.

[Damop]

Originally posted by Ross Stonefeld
now thats classy

I hope i become such a great driver that i can shove photographers, reporters, officials, and fans and behave like a general idiot, and still get millions a year.

Naw, that's just too easy...

[Ross Stonefeld]

This is getting outrageous

http://www.nascar.co...udon/index.html

[312 PB]

stewart is a chump

ricky rudd`s engine builder
should have a "word" with him

[Buford]

I used to play pool with him when he was 13 years old. He was one of the kids who hung around the group of Indy party people I stayed with whenever I was in Indy. Seems weird now, but he used to ask ME!! for advice about racing. Well anyway I have only seen him off and on over the years. Would stop over at the Midget and Sprint races he was at and say hi.

When he first got the Nascar ride I sent a message to him through a mutual friend. "Congratulations etc. Two words of advice. Don't be like I was, so caught up in doing it you get no enjoyment. Stop now and then to smell the roses. And you will have to become an ass kiss pretty boy now with the press and fans. You are going to have to forget you are from Indiana. You are in the big time now."

A couple weeks later the message came back. Tony had said, thanks, he would try to remember to smell the roses, but he wasn't going to be an "ass kiss pretty boy" for any amount of money. I thought at the time, "Hmmm... that's exactly what I would have said."

[312 PB]

as you know
going to med center after incident
is mandatory, acc to nascar rules

is that being 'ass kiss pretty boy' ?

stewart needs a razor, slim fast, and counseling

[Ross Stonefeld]

I think there's a line between ass kiss pretty boy PR dork (Kurt Busch) soft spoken professional (Ryan Newman) hot tempered (Robby Gordon, Dale Jr) say what you will (Eddie Irvine) and brat (Tony Stewart)

[312 PB]

word

[Buford]

Originally posted by 312 PB
as you know
going to med center after incident
is mandatory, acc to nascar rules

is that being 'ass kiss pretty boy' ?

stewart needs a razor, slim fast, and counseling

Agreed, I am just saying I knew this was going to happen. Tony is "Indiana." You can take the kid out of Indiana but you cannot take the Indiana out of the kid. Tony does not know how to play well with the other children.

[312 PB]

Originally posted by Buford


Tony does not know how to play well with the other children.

how wonderful for him and others
when running in a pack at 190mph

obviously to succeed in any endeavour
a belief in oneself is mandatory
but crying when your rattle is taken away
should have ended for him many years ago

[Buford]

His problem is not in the car. It is out of the car. He came from a world of not backing down, of fighting for recognition, and "manhood" under the most primitive rules of the jungle. He is the only one of the kids I knew in Indiana in the 80's and 90s who has made anything of himself in any field.

Tony is a great guy. But he never learned how to deal with "normal people" because he never met any growing up. He grew up in a primitave world of power and never backing down. That serves him well on the track. Off the track it is a disaster in the world he travels now. Most race drivers have a tough time dealing with the social conventions and expectations of the non-racing world, which plays by far different rules, than inside the sport. Tony has more trouble than most. He had no training for that.

[312 PB]

when med personnel tells me
to go to treatment center
i go
it`s my on track duty

you seem to make excuse for stewart
but prolly cos you know him

[Buford]

I am not making an excuse for him. Just trying to explain him. He grew up in a world that was a bit like growing up in the Hell's Angels if you can imagine that. He positively loaths Nascar and everything about it. Not only the fans and media, but the other racers themselves. He is a very unhappy camper. He wants to race Sprints and Midgets, and at Indy, but there is no money in it. He cannot stand being apart of the scripted soap opera that is Nascar.

Every chance he gets he slams them. When he won the Chili Bowl Midget race last winter he said on the loudspeaker, "I don't know why anybody ever goes to see Winston Cup races when they can see racing like this. This is REAL racing."

So you are going to say, if he hates it so much, why doesn't he quit. Well I have been hearing for two years from mutual friends, he was going to quit at the end of his contract, or get fired but still get paid. He has almost enough money to last the rest of his life, with much to spare. I do not expect to see him in Nascar much longer. He hates it too much. It is ruining his life, or at least his attitude to it is. He is not cut out to be a soap opera character, even though on his own, he makes a pretty good one just being who is is.

[Ross Stonefeld]

So why did he leave the IRL? He was perfectly fine at Menard (at least until he hooked up with Curry) and he's such a name now im sure he could get an indy ride that would pay him enough to do Spridgets. Or if he's really that unhappy, pay it off the interest of what he runs now.

[Buford]

He left because he was offered a multi-million dollar contract and he wasn't making that from Menard. He did not know he would hate it as much as he does. I thought his contract was up at the end of last season. Apparantely not. But it may be up at the end of this season. We will see what he does whenever it is finished. But I do expect him to go back to the IRL and to run Sprints and Midgets. But we'll see. He is getting more and more out of control so he may get himself booted before the end of his contract.