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Originally posted by Force Ten
Perhaps you weren't paying attention? Americans, namely a dude called Bill did at least a thing or two to get some kind of thing resembling peace to Palestine. A guy called Yasser actually withelds a status 'president' because of that. It may not be a big deal but it can be classified as A THING. And the fellow named Bill could be classified as 1 AMERICAN, so, get your facts straight before you start shooting off the hip.

Bill Clinton's attempts to broker a peace accord was very commendable. But after the assassination of Rabin, there were no visionary Israeli leaders that he could deal with anymore.

But the fact remains that when it comes to the crunch, USA will never go against the Israelis because of the Jewish vote bank back home. Even though the Israeli leaders after Rabin, have violated every single valid International Peace Treaty, violated deadlines of freedom for Palestine, retaliated with aerial bombings on Palestinian settlements in reply to localised Palestinian attacks, built Israeli settlements in Palestinian areas even tho' they had made official , signed promises that they would not do so. The fact remains that the Palestinians stayed relatively calm, placing their faith in the Oslo Treaty, only to see it dismissed and violated completely by Israeli leaders. Israelis have incited Palestinians into anger by building such settlements and then very conveniently kept saying that Palestine terrorism must end, even when there was none taking place.

Can you imagine the pain and anger of a people who were robbed of their own land, and have been conned by a US-backed Israel for so many years?
I am American, I am part Jew, but I don't admire America's dodgy stand on Israel's questionable stance. I am on the side of justice, and there has been none for the Palestinians. America and Israel stand alone in this stance today. Even America's allies like Germany, France, and other European countries have supported the validity of a Palestinian nation, and feel that Israel are oppressors.

Hilary Clinton 's heart was in the right place when she once spoke out against Netanyahu's hypocrisy, and said Palestine deserve their freedom.
Back to my original thought. USA earns the wrath of the Palestinian people and their sympathisers because they know that it is the Jewish vote that keeps US on the side of Israel.

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Originally posted by Force Ten
Did you not know that the very man Saddam was supported by Americans during the eighties? Did you not know that Americans tried to te very last minute negotiate Saddam out of Kuwait and said rather clearly to Iraqi foreign minister that "we will attack"?

I kinda think that the nice people in Kuwait didn't share Saddam's and apparently also your (sorry if I am wrong) view about "one country, one people".

There were plenty of people still there to be executed in prisons, so it couldn't have all been empty.

Not all the things the Americans do are nice, lo and behold, far from it... The CIA has definitely committed terrible attrocities. But you do not see them coming into Meka (don't know the correct spelling in English) and start bomming people on the pilgrimage. There are things and there are things... What Americans do doesn't even begin to be in the same ballpark as of what was done to them yesterday.

I agree. No one deserves this kind of inhumanity wreaked on them. But the USA has earned it's enemies, no question. The list of interferences are endless. The CIA playing king maker with several South and Central American countries, supporting a tyrannical but West-loving Shah of Iran, building up and supplying the monster that is Saddam, while he was waging his Iraq-Iran war - just because US was anti-Iran at the time. The list is a long one.
The rest of the world question why America ever got into the Gulf war. They didn't need Arab oil, like the European countries did.
Ironically, the US owed the UN millions of dollars for waging that war. A bill that the Republican congress refused to acknowledge for term after term. So before anyone thinks the US was footing that Gulf War bill, they are sadly mistaken.

A I said in another post, their current support of a hard-line Israeli Govt. does them no favours, considering that every other freedom-loving European country condemns Israel for their severe occupation of Palestine today, and their repeated violations of treaties and promises that were set up with several European countries in attendance..
Israel feeds off this unquestioning support from the US. If the US would perform an act of true conscience (in Palestine) like they did in saving Kosovo, then Israel would not be the oppressive power that it now is in that region.

A harsh thought on a day like this.

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I just can't understand what brings someone to doing this. This is stunning and can't be accepted. My support goes to every US poster on this forum. I just feel like I could awake any moment. Just so unbelievable. I am deeply shocked.

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Originally posted by f1sl
the WTC hold atleast 100 000 people each. that's a **** load of people

I don't belive that's true. 50.000 is wat I heard, but still too much.

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I have heard that one anonymos person has revendicted the acts for the Japnese Red Army, as an act of vengeance for the deaths from Hiroshima and Nagaski.

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What has happened today is shocking and tragic. This could be a turning point in world history. It`s so... unbelievable, like a movie. I can only hope that the guilty ones will be found, punished and such things avoided in the future. But it is important that only the REAL ones will. It is so easy in such situations to overreact, to find guilty people where there are none. These kind of situation can bring the best and the worst in human nature. I hope it wil be the best.
This is the tragedy of the US ,as well as that of the entire humanity, of everyone who beleve that words such as civilization ,evolution and goodness have a meaning.