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#1 Bill949

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Posted 19 September 2002 - 14:53

Not sure if I will get into trouble for bring up another web site or if I should have posted this in PC

I received an email from Pitpass.com yesterday announcing that it was shutting down on Monday 31st unless they had a large influx of $.

The reason I brought this up was becasuer a little while ago there was a discussion about subscription based F1 websites.

Pitpass was mentioned as a reason not to subscribe to Atlas...well unfortuantly they are shutting up.

I really did enjoy that site, they had some good articles and some great contributor writers.

The sight was run by Chris Balfe and the list of of writers was/is pretty impressive :

Peter Chapple
Geoff Collins
Mike Lawrence
Eion Young
Bob Constanduros
and even Rob and Crompo with the ACHQ (although they do have thier own website also).

ANyway just thought I would mention it as it seems a great shame that they where unable to make it. :cry:

Bill

Maybe Atlas could try and convince a couple of them to write for us here  ;)

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#2 Scudetto

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Posted 19 September 2002 - 14:56

Yeah, pitpass has a pretty good team there. In fact - shame on me - PlanetF1 was my primary F1 site until I discovered Atlas. PF1 became just another crappy site after Balfe, et. al. left and I was glad to see them start up pitpass. It's too bad they couldn't make a go of it.

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Posted 19 September 2002 - 15:00

Originally posted by Bill949
Maybe Atlas could try and convince a couple of them to write for us here  ;)

Some of them seem to have the Kiss of Death associated with them. I recognise at least one of those guys as having been part of at least 3 sites now that have gone belly up.

#4 Schuting Star

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Posted 19 September 2002 - 15:02

This is a shame, I love the humour on pitpass.

#5 bira

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Posted 19 September 2002 - 15:11

Originally posted by Bill949
Pitpass was mentioned as a reason not to subscribe to Atlas


Not to be picky, but Pitpass didn't exist when Atlas F1 went subscription. If I remember correctly, Pitpass was opened on March 1st 2002 - some 6.5 months ago.

Shame for their writers and readers that they're closing, though. This is becoming (or has been for quite a while) have very harsh 'industry'. :

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Posted 19 September 2002 - 16:30

Well...
as goes F1... so goes this harsh 'industry'

let's hope that Rob and Crompo find another'ride'

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Posted 19 September 2002 - 16:52

They haven't closed down yet and still have another 11 days to find a sponsor, too early to write their obituary tbh :)

I will miss some of those columns if the plug is pulled though

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Posted 19 September 2002 - 16:54

Originally posted by Nikolas Garth
Some of them seem to have the Kiss of Death associated with them.


like HHF?

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Posted 19 September 2002 - 16:56

Originally posted by bira


Not to be picky, but Pitpass didn't exist when Atlas F1 went subscription. If I remember correctly, Pitpass was opened on March 1st 2002 - some 6.5 months ago.

Shame for their writers and readers that they're closing, though. This is becoming (or has been for quite a while) have very harsh 'industry'. :


I believe there was a thread about Atlas, where one poster said something like 'Why should I pay for my F1 news when I can go to Pitpass and get it for free' To which many of us said 'Not for long'...or something of that sort...

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Posted 19 September 2002 - 17:01

I never liked pitpass. It allways looked unprofessional and read like...well... a bulletin board. You can get news anywhere, but really only Atlas gives you any insight.

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Posted 19 September 2002 - 19:10

Originally posted by Ross Stonefeld
I never liked pitpass. It allways looked unprofessional and read like...well... a bulletin board. You can get news anywhere, but really only Atlas gives you any insight.


Well the AtlasF1 website is by far the best, so all the others look shabby by comparison. Saying that Pitpass doesn't offer insight seems a bit wide of the mark. They've run some really good articles over time including this interview with Mario Andretti :

http://www.pitpass.c...esid=217&page=1

I'd really like to find a site that is to F1 what http://www.theregister.co.uk is to the IT industry: entertaining, agressive, critical, non-politcally correct and self-deprecating. So far I'd say that Pitpass comes the closest to this though they have a way to go near the register.

Nevertheless if they were to start charging along the Atlas model I'd be happy to subscribe for 10-20$ per year.

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Posted 19 September 2002 - 20:24

Another F1 site that used to be really good was F1i.com. Just 6 months ago, it was really good, breaking news earlier than most of the other f1 sites + features and articles etc. Very good. But over the last few months it has steadily tailed downhill: news is usually 3-4 days old (occasionally 1-2 weeks old!). As always money (or lack of it) it the problem.

I see the main piece on the F1i.com site today is a piece begging for sponsorship .......

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Posted 19 September 2002 - 21:18

Originally posted by Rene


I believe there was a thread about Atlas, where one poster said something like 'Why should I pay for my F1 news when I can go to Pitpass and get it for free' To which many of us said 'Not for long'...or something of that sort...



I read all my news on autosport.com, dailyf1.com & f1-live.com....all are free and I'm very happy with their service.

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Posted 19 September 2002 - 21:20

Originally posted by The RedBaron
[BI read all my news on autosport.com, dailyf1.com & f1-live.com....all are free and I'm very happy with their service. [/B]

Atlas gets it faster and is way more reliable. f1-live? rehashed day old news and rumour, you're joking right?

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Posted 19 September 2002 - 21:29

Maybe i should said f1racing-live.com....actually I find their news arrives quicker than Dailyf1.com
and Autosport.com. At the end of the day, no matter who finds the info first, they all land up on most of the major sites at some point....I don't fancy paying for F1 information to be honest.

If it's hot news and first released by Atlas, it will find it's way into Readers Comments within a matter of minutes anyway.

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Posted 19 September 2002 - 21:37

For instance F1racing-live have run the "Teleconference with Juan Pablo Montoya" story there today, i haven't noticed it on Atlas or anywhere else


Teleconference with Juan Pablo Montoya
Prior to the USGP [19/09/02 - 06:32]


Juan Pablo Montoya

As a Formula One rookie in 2001, BMW Williams driver, Juan Pablo Montoya recorded four podium finishes including his first F1 victory at the Italian Grand Prix, the scene of last weekends fifteenth round of the season. Juan is currently third in the 2002 drivers championship and has recorded seven podium finishes throughout the year so far with two races remaining on the Formula One schedule.

During the Italian GP weekend, the Colombian driver took part in a teleconference, hosted by Mr Josh Laycock, with the Indianapolis Motor Speedway, venue of the penultimate round next weekend, and the following is a transcript from the session.

Juan Pablo Montoya Hello.
Mr. Josh Laycock. Hello, Juan. Thanks for joining us today.


Juan Pablo Montoya How are you?
Mr. Josh Laycock. Just great. First of all, I just wanted to ask you a brief question. Could you give us an overview of how you think your season has gone so far?
Juan Pablo Montoya I think this year has been pretty good. We've been a bit unlucky, but I think it's gone pretty well. It's a bit disappointing that we haven't been able to fight more with Ferrari this year. We thought at the beginning of the year we had a better chance, but that's the way things have been going.

Question Juan Pablo, your team had high expectations before the season started, but you turned those around dominating the whole season. How frustrating is this as a driver to see a rival get the best package out there including the Bridgestone tyres?
Juan Pablo Montoya I think it is not only the tyres that make a difference, their car is stronger generally speaking. It makes it quite difficult to really do anything about it. It's a bit frustrating sometimes but we have got to try as hard as we can to beat them.

Question The early part of the season you had five or six pole positions yet when we got into the race something would happen. Was that mostly due to the traction control?
Juan Pablo Montoya No. I think generally speaking, there's been a lot of things that we wanted to go our way and they didn't. I think the performance of our car no matter what the tyres, is not that good. Every race we are trying to improve the tyres and we're trying to improve the consistency of the car. Just sometimes it's not quick enough.

Question Good morning, Juan. You recently, Frank said that the team made a bit of a mistake by not risking enough with this year's chassis and next year's FW25 is going to be revolutionary. Can you tell me a little bit about next year's car and the balance between pushing too much or not enough?
Juan Pablo Montoya It's very difficult to say now how next year's car is going to be. It is still early days for this. I know the team has been working really hard, basically 24 hours a day in the wind tunnel and in every other area, trying to come up with a much better package for next year. But, it's always a risk when you come up with something extreme, it might be really good, but by trying something extreme you might get lost. Hopefully the team will make the right call on that. I know everybody wants to win and that within the team everybody is trying as hard as they can to do the best they can.

Question Good to speak with you again, Juan. I'm curious. There's a program in the works to take a couple of the young American drivers through the proper European junior formulas in an effort to get them to F1. Knowing what you know about racing here in America, I'm wondering how helpful do you think that might be to the popularity of Formula One racing here?
Juan Pablo Montoya I think it would help. I think it is a big and important step for them to come to Europe for a couple of years. When I went to America to do CART it was really good. CART helped me a lot because it has long races, straight unit and it very physical. So when I came back into Formula One everything went really smooth and very well. It's so hard to say exactly where to go and what to do. I hope CART will survive because at the moment it's the only form of single seater in America and it's a top runner that does road courses, street courses, and all that. I think that experience does help. When you first drive Formula One it is a very powerful car, very light and very reactive. I so think that the combination of driving between the oval and the road courses just gives you a lot more experience.

Question To follow up, this is a country that has a lot of different sports going on and a lot of different motor sports. Formula One is kind of viewed as a niche market in the United States. How important do you think it is to Formula One to develop a big fan base in the United States?
Juan Pablo Montoya I think it's important. I think it's important not only to the United States but worldwide and this is why Formula One is so strong worldwide. Getting into the American market, as you said, is very difficult especially, as you know, Americans have got so many types of motorsport from Nascar, CART, IRL, you name it. It's too many varieties of motorsport to get full funds. Involving Formula One I think it is quite difficult as there is only one race hosted there. I think if people were to really understand the amount of technology that is put into a Formula One car, compared with any other formula, or any other motorsport at the moment they would be amazed. How light the car is, etc. Generally speaking the car is just amazing.

Question I wanted to ask you. You know you're coming back to the Speedway for the second time in the Formula One race. You have an opportunity to do something even Michael Schumacher can't do, and that is win the 500 and win the US Grand Prix. How much effort and what would it mean to you to accomplish that feat?
Juan Pablo MontoyaI think it would mean a lot. I think last year I was very close to complete that task. If you remember, I was very competitive. I won by Michael and we were in the right strategy at that time. We were looking really good to be able to challenge for the race. But it didn't really go our way, I think it was a gearbox failure that race, but at the end of the day that is the races. It would be the second time I go there but it probably won't be the last time I'll be going there. So we will see what happens.

Question Juan, nice to talk with you again. How do you feel about coming back to the United States and race? I know you had a good time over here. Do you look forward to it, or is it just another race now to you?
Juan Pablo Montoya No. From the technical aspect of it it's another race because everywhere you go you have got to try to win and do best you can. From the sentimental value, it's a bit more, the fact that it's Indianapolis. Another thing is, you've got to remember my team used to be based there, Ganassi is still based there and I have quite good memories from that.

Question Are you going to make plans to see some of your friends over here when you come back again this year?
Juan Pablo Montoya No. I'm probably going to see everybody again, and we'll be sure to make it as interesting as possible.

Question Juan Pablo, you were by far the most popular driver in last year's US Grand Prix, but you did not finish the race. How does the Speedway suit your driving style, and what did you learn from last year?
Juan Pablo Montoya I think the Speedway is a pretty good circuit and I think it's got a lot of rhythm. I think it's very important to have good balance of the car. I think that's a key to do well in few races is you need to develop good balance.

Question Juan, a lot has been made recently in the press anyway about WilliamsF1 and McLaren teaming up to take on Ferrari next year and working together on tire advancement. How close do you guys actually work together without giving too much away?

Juan Pablo Montoya I don't think that we actually work together, not only McLaren, but also Renault, Jaguar, you name it, they're all working with Michelin to try and improve the tyres. On average, the tyres works really well. The thing is that Bridgestone they are only concentrating on one team. That makes a bit of an advantage for them at the moment. Generally speaking for the rest of the park, I do think that the Michelin does have a bit of an advantage on the Bridgestone.

Question Juan, I wanted to ask you, you know, you've done real well this season winning poles but then you have to turn around and, like you said earlier, old tyres are going to slow you down. How frustrating is it? You went through the season in CART where you were the king dog and everybody chased you. How frustrating is it to chase Michael race after race?
Juan Pablo Montoya It's hard. It's not frustrating. At the moment he has better equipment than what everybody else has got and he makes it hard to beat. It's not as if somebody else is beating him and I am not. He just has a better package, it is so strong to beat. The only guy that is close to him sometimes is Rubens.

Question Sometimes it's what?
Juan Pablo Montoya It's Rubens. The only guy to challenge him.

Question Juan, you're coming to the United States … pretty quick. Is that a special meaning to you, or do you think maybe you can beat Schumacher there?
Juan Pablo Montoya It's a special meaning. We always try to beat him. I think at this point whatever type of tyres they bring compared with us is going to be important. I think that the best chance we had to try and beat them was this weekend but they still look very strong.

Question Do you think you can catch up next year?
Juan Pablo Montoya I think next year is going to be a completely different show. We need to see what Ferrari comes up with in the new car. We need to see what BMW WilliamsF1 Team comes up with and Michelin. But I think, next year we should try and close the gap. I know BMW WilliamsF1 is trying to make a big step, but we don't know if it's going to be forward. They are aiming for a big step forward, but you never know if it's going to happen.

Question Is there any rumors over there that Audi may be getting into Formula One?
Juan Pablo Montoya As far as I know, no, to be honest.

Question Juan, you just said a minute ago you thought your chances are better this weekend in the Italian Grand Prix rather than US Grand Prix. Why does that circuit favour you over the US Grand Prix?
Juan Pablo Montoya Because the type of circuit, it is a very fast circuit that you run very little downforce, it is the quickest race of the year. I think when we are not trying to race maximum downforce we look quite competitive.

Question How much downforce does it take to run Indy?
Juan Pablo Montoya Indy, you can run a lot of downforce, or you can run very little because it's such a long straight and the time you lose in the infield by having little downforce you can gain it back. So it makes it quite interesting to see what is really happening.

Question Is it a good circuit for competitiveness?
Juan Pablo Montoya Yes. I think it's a pretty good circuit. It's a very fast circuit. Strategy can come into play a little bit in the race results.

Question Juan, I'm wondering in today's practice for the race in Monza ,did you find any particular area where you might improve so you can get total again tomorrow?
Juan Pablo Montoya I think we looked quite good. I think it's difficult to say what fuel level everybody was running. But from what we can see we do look quite competitive. Normally on Fridays we never looked that competitive. I think we could have been quicker, especially in the infield today we had some traffic. We should be looking quite strong for tomorrow.

Question Today did you do some running preparing for race setup?
Juan Pablo Montoya Normally on Friday you take most information for race setup, and then on Saturday we work on qualifying.

Question At Indianapolis are there more possible places to pass than, say, on a real close circuit like Monaco or even Monza?
Juan Pablo Montoya I think probably Indy is one of the best circuits for overtaking having such a long straight because it's not only the straight but turn one into the oval, and even before that, you start from the infield completely flat out all the way through. So you don't need to get that close to the guy in front of you. I think if you are fairly close by the end of the straight you can try and pass him.


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#17 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 19 September 2002 - 21:40

Well, thats not news is it?

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Posted 19 September 2002 - 21:45

Originally posted by bigbrickz
I'd really like to find a site that is to F1 what http://www.theregister.co.uk is to the IT industry: entertaining, agressive, critical, non-politcally correct and self-deprecating.


:up: :up: :up:

Exactly my thoughts. There is a readership broad enough for another kind of f1-journalism, one which can rip apart its own subject if necessary and say the obvious in an equally obvious wording (f1 is dull, no overtaking, bernie sucks, ferrari team orders suck, ferrari dominance sucks, three-fourth of all gps this season do suck, official camera cuts suck etc. ).

I perfectly understand that people are living from formula1 so they have a vital interest not to be too harsh on f1, but there is equally enough room for people making a living out of being harsh on f1! At least, they are much more on the spot than current f1-sites. At present, all f1-sites are generally affirmative, that is they are only confirming what the reader already knows or what he wants to know.

#19 The RedBaron

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Posted 19 September 2002 - 21:58

Originally posted by Ross Stonefeld
Well, thats not news is it?


old news maybe, but interesting all the same, first time i came across it.

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#20 JForce

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Posted 19 September 2002 - 22:56

Seems to me that that was something specifically setup for them with JPM. It would be like saying an "Exclusive AtlasF1 Interview with Michael Schumacher" didn't appear on Autosport.com, and then bagging them for it.

#21 LB_13

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Posted 19 September 2002 - 23:18

:cry: Sad news

#22 Riker!

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Posted 20 September 2002 - 01:39

Theres no way im gonna pay for F1 News when most of it is on all the sites in day. Wow Atlas may have it first BIG DEAL! so when another place has the same piece News has changed? or is different? The difference is I didnt pay for it. I love formula one but im not gonna pay for news. Unlike most people here I find sites like F1-Live, Daily F1, Grandprix.com to be quite good.

#23 hedges

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Posted 20 September 2002 - 01:49

Originally posted by Riker!
Theres no way im gonna pay for F1 News when most of it is on all the sites in day. Wow Atlas may have it first BIG DEAL! so when another place has the same piece News has changed? or is different? The difference is I didnt pay for it. I love formula one but im not gonna pay for news. Unlike most people here I find sites like F1-Live, Daily F1, Grandprix.com to be quite good.


I doubt anyone pays the Atlasf1 subscription just for news, I know I don't. I pay for the articles, interviews, stats, etc. Prompt, accurate news reporting is a bonus.

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Posted 20 September 2002 - 01:53

Originally posted by hedges


I doubt anyone pays the Atlasf1 subscription just for news, I know I don't. I pay for the articles, interviews, stats, etc. Prompt, accurate news reporting is a bonus.


Exactly. :up: :up: :up:

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Posted 20 September 2002 - 04:23

Originally posted by hedges


I doubt anyone pays the Atlasf1 subscription just for news, I know I don't. I pay for the articles, interviews, stats, etc. Prompt, accurate news reporting is a bonus.

Yep, same here.

Though having said that, I don't automatically believe F1 news of any relevance, until it shows up at Atlas.

Articles by guys like Karl Ludvigsen, Richard Barnes and Roger Horton is why I am very happy to be a subscriber.

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Posted 20 September 2002 - 05:32

Originally posted by Nikolas Garth
Yep, same here.

Though having said that, I don't automatically believe F1 news of any relevance, until it shows up at Atlas.

Articles by guys like Karl Ludvigsen, Richard Barnes and Roger Horton is why I am very happy to be a subscriber.


I agree 100%, its not just the news, but the magazine portion which is worth the dough....especially how approachable the authors are, generally writers for AtlasF1 are willing to discuss contentious points of an article with you, and shed light on things....plus Bira et al are very responsive to their customers....a much much much better value than any of the print magazines! :up: :up: :up:

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Posted 20 September 2002 - 06:35


I recently logged on an up came a subscription reminder. Before filling it in I asked myself whether over the last year I had got my moneys worth. It didn't take long to come to the conclusion that I had. I don't like paying for a website, but Atlas wouldn't be as good as it is without it and probably wouldn't have survived. I'm not going to do their advertising for them, but this bb would not be as it is without those of us that do pay for Atlas.

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Posted 20 September 2002 - 07:35

Sad to see another F1 site go.

I usually take a peek at Pitpass - they have some good writers and interesting articles.

But...

Much as I'd like to see more of an 'Anti-Bernies F1 circus' stance - I think Pitpass' method isn't exactly the way to go.

It smacks too much of insider cliqueness for my liking.
"We know what's really going on behind the scenes in motor sport but it's not for the likes of you."
Their "Such-and-such a driver's a w**ker but we won't tell you who said that and how we found out" type of articles irritate me.

With Atlas we readers can interact with the article writers via the BB - a much more 'democratic' system than being kept at arms length.

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Posted 20 September 2002 - 08:36

Fred, I'm a regular on pitpass, and am glad to read so many posts of support.
I actually do understand some of what you say regarding the cliqueness of the site. I felt the same in the first few weeks of visiting.
However, the team behind the site and the regular readers and contributors are passionate individuals who without doubt have F1's best interests at heart. The discussions are serious, light hearted, funny, professional, friendly, and many other things. It's not very often that the forum finds anyone nasty, like you can do on other forums.
The news, the features, the articles are always top notch.
You don't get to be second to Atlas in the J Magazine (from Jordan F1) poll by being rubbish.
Pitpass could do with support and I thank anyone who can give theirs.

#30 bigbrickz

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Posted 22 September 2002 - 13:45

I was enthusiastic about supporting Pitpass but I have to say that my esteem for them has plummeted.

On joining their forums I was a little surprised to discover that posting urls to other sites is not allowed on the PitPass forums (" pitpass is not in the business of advertising its competitors ").

Then this morning the 2 threads discussing how readers could show their support disappeared without any kind of explanation.

This ugly censorship is in sharp contrast to the openness shown by AtlasF1 over the years -- I actually discovered Pitpass through a link in the AtlasF1 forums!. Rather than hope that Pitpass survives I think I'll just hope that AtlasF1 can pick up some of the better Pitpass contributors...

Chris Balfe, Pitpass's editor was kind enough to contact me about this, please read my next post for more info

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Posted 22 September 2002 - 14:00

there's a saying that goes around on the BB, not sure who started it but it goes along the lines of

'til it's on Atlas.........BS

;)

the accuracy, speed, style, content is what makes this website so great. Other sites have some of those traits, but not all of them in the one place like here.

Some sites make you read 500 words before they tell you what happened. It may be free, but cost can measured in ways other than money... like time, for instance. I know where the value for me lies.

#32 Alapan

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Posted 22 September 2002 - 17:03

Pitpass was new, and it promised too much. They had their forums early on, but when the main site opened, the links to the forum was gone. They had some very good writers certainly and yes the site did deliver - but running a website is a business, and you can't stay in business unless you make a profit. Atlas in my view has a very good balance between free and subsciption. The problem with Pitpass is they are too new to go subscription.

#33 prettyface

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Posted 22 September 2002 - 22:16

I like their features a lot, especially Mike Lawrence's column and Balfe's recount of classic races. It's a team that's been together a long time and I hope they're able to make it.

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Posted 23 September 2002 - 03:52

Originally posted by The RedBaron



I read all my news on autosport.com, dailyf1.com & f1-live.com....all are free and I'm very happy with their service.


Me too, and the most I like is Autosport.com, they seem to be very reliable. ;)

#35 MrAerodynamicist

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Posted 23 September 2002 - 04:55

Originally posted by bira
Shame for their writers and readers that they're closing, though. This is becoming (or has been for quite a while) have very harsh 'industry'. :

Well it's good news of atlas! (as long as you avoid the same fate, not that I can quite see you being talked about in the same terms as say Microsoft..... :) )

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Posted 23 September 2002 - 14:56

Originally posted by bigbrickz

On joining their forums I was a little surprised to discover that posting urls to other sites is not allowed on the PitPass forums (" pitpass is not in the business of advertising its competitors ").


So true bigbrickz...
Exactly the reason I never bothered posting my silly stuff over there...

No Joy...just a paranoid negativity
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#37 FredF1

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Posted 23 September 2002 - 15:46

The weird thing about Pitpass is the way the editorials veer all over the place.
It's as if a different personality is in charge each week.
One moment a swingeing diatribe against perceived insults - the next an abject apology for last weeks outburst.

Very odd indeed.

#38 RaymondMays

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Posted 24 September 2002 - 12:21

Originally posted by prettyface
I like their features a lot, especially Mike Lawrence's column and Balfe's recount of classic races. It's a team that's been together a long time and I hope they're able to make it.


Mike Lawrence's column is an excellent read, and although I am an AtlasF1 subscriber, I also read Pitpass on a daily basis. I will be very sorry to see it go.

Chris Balfe, Eoin Young, Rob & Crompo and Bob Constanduros are all very entertaining and very much worth reading.

I find that in order to get a balanced opinion of what is going on, it is good to read different articles on the same subject from different sources.

Also, the company proxy server blocks AtlasF1, except at lunchtime.

#39 X-ray

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Posted 24 September 2002 - 13:49

Originally posted by RaymondMays
Also, the company proxy server blocks AtlasF1, except at lunchtime.

:lol: Probably to prevent going out of business! :lol:

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#40 bigbrickz

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Posted 24 September 2002 - 20:33

Originally posted by bigbrickz
I was enthusiastic about supporting Pitpass but I have to say that my esteem for them has plummeted.


Chris Balfe, Pitpass's editor, was kind enough to write to me about my previous post. It turns out that there was an explanation for the deletion of the 2 threads hidden away in another, more general, thread.

I still don't think that deleting the threads was a good thing, nor that a "no-urls" policy in posts is the best approach. However the explanation and the personal attention have gone a long way to make up for the annoyance of losing my carefully crafted posts.

#41 fuzzybunny

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Posted 01 November 2002 - 08:33

:|

http://www.pitpass.c...bye_pitpass.htm

Boo hoo...

Not a happy bunny...

AtlasF1, don't you go anywhere!!! My little heart would break!

#42 FredF1

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Posted 01 November 2002 - 09:00

Aw feck it. :(

#43 bira

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Posted 01 November 2002 - 09:06

Don’t get me wrong, there are a few good sites out there but most of them are rubbish, existing on a diet of press releases and ideas copied willy-nilly from their more knowledgeable, and respected, rivals. That people can cut and paste another writer’s work is bad enough, that they can then have the gall to add their own name to the piece is downright criminal.

While others go out and actually find stories, checking facts and generally doing what journalists are supposed to do, these parasites merely sit back and let others do all the leg-work before casually getting to work with the ‘Ctrl’, ‘c’ and ‘v’ keys.


Oh how I sympathise with Chris Balfe on this point.

Always sad to see one of the good guys take their leave. But I am sure this isn't the last we'll see of him and his team - I wish him the best of luck.

#44 Schuting Star

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Posted 01 November 2002 - 09:23

I'm sorry to see Pitpass go, it was a good site while it lasted.

#45 RaymondMays

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Posted 01 November 2002 - 10:49

Very sad to see them finally go - their editorials were most enlightening and entertaining.

I think the AtlasF1 subscription is the only way to go with a web site of this kind.

#46 tania_walesuk

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Posted 01 November 2002 - 12:07

I was gutted it was a really good site, A lot of well mannered and respecting people, never had a bad word to say about anyone there. :p

#47 nagi

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Posted 01 November 2002 - 12:09

I didn't want to open a new thread:
but since the end of the season, formula1.com hasn't updated any news and the date on their home page remains unchanged (14 octobre 2002).
So i think this means that there is some kind of trouble there too.
I know that this is not a very popular site, but could it be that they went down

#48 Suzy

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Posted 01 November 2002 - 12:13

Formula1.com hasn't shut down at all really - it's been taken over by Bernie et al and it will be relaunched to coincide with the relaunch of Bernie's Rag.

#49 fuzzybunny

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Posted 01 November 2002 - 12:16

Originally posted by nagi
I didn't want to open a new thread:
but since the end of the season, formula1.com hasn't updated any news and the date on their home page remains unchanged (14 octobre 2002).
So i think this means that there is some kind of trouble there too.
I know that this is not a very popular site, but could it be that they went down


Yeah, I noticed that.
Who gets the domain name, I wonder?
Boinie?

Never mind...
Thanks Suzy for le info.

Don't be mean to Bernies rag!!!
The Pre-season assessments of the cars/teams are hysterical!!
Especially in retrospect!

This was Arrows big year, IFR!!! :rofl:

#50 nagi

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Posted 01 November 2002 - 12:18

Originally posted by Suzy
Formula1.com hasn't shut down at all really - it's been taken over by Bernie et al and it will be relaunched to coincide with the relaunch of Bernie's Rag.


Ah well, i didn't know that, thank you. :)
Maybe now this site might upgrade its quality :up: