I am planning on buying that book, from SAE. I have heard it is very good, but my question is: is it worth the money for a 2nd year aerospace engineering student or are the formulas quite complicated and another book would do for now?
Race Vehicle Dynamics
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JuanF1
, Oct 27 2002 12:57
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Ben
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Posted 27 October 2002 - 13:49
It's fine for a second year uni student. I bought it when I was 17 and had no problems. It is definitely worth the purchase price as well.
The complexity is in the concepts rather than the maths used to describe them.
Ben
The complexity is in the concepts rather than the maths used to describe them.
Ben
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Posted 27 October 2002 - 16:29
It is a nice book, juan. Actually it is regarded as the racecar books "bible"
Check the price on Amazon as well, maybe it is more expensive but shipping is definitely cheaper.
Y si tienes alguna duda, envíame un e-mail ;)
Check the price on Amazon as well, maybe it is more expensive but shipping is definitely cheaper.
Y si tienes alguna duda, envíame un e-mail ;)
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Posted 27 October 2002 - 18:23
Hey, I am a SAE member so I will get a discount! I just hope it doesn't take too much time to arrive so that I can get it for Christmas!
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Posted 28 October 2002 - 19:58
from which SAE team are you from? I've just entered my university team in the chassis and aero department. Who's the author of the book?
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Posted 28 October 2002 - 21:27
The autors of the book are William and his son (?) Douglas Milliken. It is a very comprehensive book about "race car theory" and considered to be the very best.
This days I'm reading F1 Technology (nice read, ben) and whenever further explanation is required, the autor refers to Race Car Vehicle Dynamics.
I've just bought the latest issue of Classic&Sports Car magazine; there is an article about the "camber car" and its creator William Milliken. What an amazing man!! He is 91 and been around (planes first, cars later) since the '20.
Few time ago he was asked by Ferrari team about something and he said that they could find it on his book. Ferrari guy answered that they had 10 of them around!
This days I'm reading F1 Technology (nice read, ben) and whenever further explanation is required, the autor refers to Race Car Vehicle Dynamics.
I've just bought the latest issue of Classic&Sports Car magazine; there is an article about the "camber car" and its creator William Milliken. What an amazing man!! He is 91 and been around (planes first, cars later) since the '20.
Few time ago he was asked by Ferrari team about something and he said that they could find it on his book. Ferrari guy answered that they had 10 of them around!
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Posted 29 October 2002 - 03:53
Originally posted by Marzal
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I've just bought the latest issue of Classic&Sports Car magazine; there is an article about the "camber car" and its creator William Milliken. What an amazing man!! He is 91 and been around (planes first, cars later) since the '20...
What's the camber car? It sounds interesting. I tried a google search, but all I came up with were Goodwood times and a syllabus, neither of which I found to be particularly helpful!
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Marzal
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Posted 29 October 2002 - 10:42
What's the camber car? It sounds interesting. I tried a google search, but all I came up with were Goodwood times and a syllabus, neither of which I found to be particularly helpful!
I saw a photo of it in an Goodwood Festival review article. I tried to find more about it on the internet but came to nothing as well. So when I saw yesterday the article in C&SC magazine I just jumped at it!
It is a car William Milliken built during the '60. He was keen on racing and discovered how some '50 cars rear suspension improved a lot using some camber degree (he quotes Stirling Moss)
So he said, if it is good for the rear, why not for the front? And he built the camber car, with four motorcycle tires using a HUGE camber angle in all of them. The car is highly adjustable and was used as a tire tester.
The car never raced, but develops more than 1g of lateral acceleration, probably far more than any other racing car of the pre-wings era
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Posted 29 October 2002 - 13:43
Originally posted by Marzal
Few time ago he was asked by Ferrari team about something and he said that they could find it on his book. Ferrari guy answered that they had 10 of them around!
I've spoken to senior vehicle dynamicists at BAR and Jaguar who use the book. Incidently the guy at BAR said they also use Tires, Suspension and Handling by Dixon, and Fundamentals of Vehicle Dynamics by Gillespie.
Pete Morgan, an Avon Tyres engineer told me that RCVD is the only book he's ever seen used by senior engineers he's worked with in F3 and F3000.
Bear in mind as well that the Millikens invented a lot of the theory used in RCVD such as pair analysis, the moment method, and the application of aircraft stability derivatives analysis to cars.
Ben
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Posted 02 November 2002 - 21:23
Ozymandias, I am not from any university team, just member of SAE by paying my annual dues, so you get discount on books, papers, etc.
