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#151 Fred Gallagher

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Posted 08 May 2017 - 11:08

Fred, Can you resolve the conflict raised by Darren Galpin in Post #121?

 

http://forums.autosp...-3#entry7932922

 

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Ray was 38th.

 

Lamb and Mason were 43rd.



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#152 Rupertlt1

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Posted 08 May 2017 - 11:17

Ray was 38th.

 

Lamb and Mason were 43rd.

 

Fixed in Post #146. RGDS RLT



#153 AAGR

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Posted 08 May 2017 - 13:22

There was no Spitfire in the 1962 RAC rally of 1962 - it had only been announced four weeks earlier, and was not yet homologated.

 

That car was acting as a team 'chase' car, and was behind a 'works' TR4 in that shot.

 

How do I know ? Because I was driving it - and I once got stopped by the police, who thought it was an MG Midget which had recently been reported stolen .... 

 

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#154 Rupertlt1

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Posted 08 May 2017 - 13:26

There was no Spitfire in the 1962 RAC rally of 1962 - it had only been announced four weeks earlier, and was not yet homologated.

 

That car was acting as a team 'chase' car, and was behind a 'works' TR4 in that shot.

 

How do I know ? Because I was driving it - and I once got stopped by the police, who thought it was an MG Midget which had recently been reported stolen .... 

 

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What a great yarn! I'm glad we've cleared that up! RGDS RLT



#155 RobMk2a

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Posted 08 May 2017 - 13:58

George Humble was 55th overall and 11th in class.


Fred,

Thank you very much, I don't suppose you also have the results for 72 Stan Pateman.

Rob

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Posted 08 May 2017 - 20:46

Gunnar Palm was Olle Dahl's co-driver in car #49 according to John Blunsden's report in the Swedish magazine Illustrerad Motor Sport.



#157 Rupertlt1

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Posted 11 May 2017 - 12:07

RAC Rally

8th-13th March 1955

 

[This is an attempt to document the 1955 R.A.C. Rally - best efforts.]

1 #213, Jimmy H. Ray/Brian Harrocks, Standard Ten, 258.1 pts, PRW 894
2 #172, H.E.Rumsey/P.P.Roberts, Triumph TR2, 462.3, LVJ 932
3 #215, W.K.Richardson/J.C.Heathcote, Standard Ten, 559.5, PRW 534
4 #124, R.J.Adams/D.A.Wilkins, Alvis 3.0 litre, OWK 605
5 #110, A.Goff Imhof/Ian Mackenzie, Cadillac-Allard, 615.4
6 #51,  A.J.Greig/T.A.M.Pigott, Triumph TR2, 829.4
7 #111, Ian Appleyard/J.Mansbridge, MG TF 1500, 904.4, HRX 766
8 #130, E.V.Baker/R.P.N.Stark, Ford, 921.7
9 #194, D.Done/J.E.Storrar, Fiat 1100 TV, 937.5
10     C.M.Seward/A.C.Johnson Triumph
   #146 Sheila van Damm/Anne Hall Sunbeam won Ladies Award, PWK 604
       Ginn Triumph
       Jones Morris Minor
       Boulton Austin Healey
    #75 Hurlock/Richmond, AC Ace, UPJ 75
       Hughes Ford Anglia
       Moore Morgan Plus Four
       Birkett MG Magnette
       Sir Chas. Kimber Sunbeam-Talbot
       Pearson Mercedes-Benz
       J.A.Hall Triumph TR2
    #28 Prince von Preussen/W.Bushmann Porsche
       Audrey Wild/Miss Clegg Triumph TR2 TFM 939
   #183 Miss Quarmby Sunbeam-Talbot, AJM 992
   #168 Paterson/Gillespie MG Midget TF
 R Jaguar water pump
 R     #31 Schluter DKW, too much delayed
 R     #106 Maurice Gatsonides, Aston Martin DB2/4, crashed
#1 Austin A30, 881 BMV, J. Sprinzel/L. Arnstein
#3 Sunbeam-Talbot, PLJ 240
#4 Rover, PKC 861
#6 Sunbeam-Talbot, EX 7814
#9 Jaguar, JRP 582
#10 Jaguar XK120, ORT 626
#11 Sunbeam-Talbot, MEL 63
#13 Renault, LOR 775
#14 Austin Healey, SYA 957
#17 Sunbeam-Talbot, NKN 776
#18 Riley, GON 479
#19 Jaguar XK120, LOB 300, Lew Tracey
#20 MG Magnette, PLN 111
#21 Ford, STA 1
#22 Triumph TR2, KAK 656
#25 Singer
#27 Austin Healey, NWD 394
#29 MG Magnette, 414 BMD
#30 DKW, Gustav Menz
#33 DKW, 4 CMK
#34 DKW, 3 AMT
#35 DKW,  154 Z 228, C.Spiliotakis
#37 Vauxhall, TYA 178, E.R. Shillabeer
#39 Morris, E.T. Pritchard
#40 Vauxhall, TRO 255
#42 Fiat, PLL 481
#46 Renault, 4 CMT
#48 Renault, 273 AR75
#52 Swallow Doretti, KBK 500, P. C. Wadham
#56 Ford, PLE 461
#62 Ford, KCO 143
#64 Triumph TR2, MCG 909
#68 MG, NDA 43
#74 AC Ace, WPF 200
#78 Volkswagen, RUE 45
#79 Volkswagen, NBM 300
#84 MG, YHK 777
#86 Triumph TR2, THW 1
#90 MG, MER 933
#92 Morgan, KUY 714
#100 Ford Zephyr, 914 AVX
#101 Ford Zephyr, Sydney Allard/Leslie Allard, 315 AVX
#102 Ford Zephyr, 913 AVX
#104 Daimler Conquest, PWK 180 
#115 Peugeot, VPK 876
#120 MG, YMG 1
#140 Ford, 447 BVW
#141 Ford, 446 BVW
#142 Ford
#144 MG Magnette, LET 2
#148 Jaguar XK120, LOE 3, Frank Grounds
#149 Ford, POH 348, Lola Grounds, Doreen Reece
#150 Ford, 445 BVW
#154 Morris Minor, UPA 542
#158 Sunbeam-Talbot, MWK 17
#164 Triumph TR2, FF 9292
#192 Austin, POM 754
#193 MG Midget TF, KRX 90, driver Pat Moss
#203 Alvis TA 21 Tickford drophead coupe, MLY 913
#211 Jaguar, SUB 333
#218 MG, JM 9311

Notes: 240 entries, 238 starters, 168 finishers

 

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Edited by Rupertlt1, 11 May 2017 - 21:39.


#158 RobMk2a

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Posted 11 May 2017 - 13:55

Rupert,

According to Tony Bancroft's book ACE Bristol #75 AC ACE UPJ 75 has an extensive race / rally history, including London and Alpine Rally #402 in 1954 and Tulip Rally in 55. In 1958 it was also raced by Bob Staples (looks like most weekends in the season!).
AC ACE WPF 200 #74 was entered by KG Cramp, Maroon / Grey (looks like only 1 month old, built 5th Feb 1955) also entered Goodwood 17th March 1956.

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Edited by RobMk2a, 11 May 2017 - 14:12.


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Posted 11 May 2017 - 17:49

Regarding Rupertlt1, and his 1955 RAC rally results chart.

 

The winning co-driver was Brian Harrocks, not Brian Horrocks. He was always too modest to demand a correction for many years, and it was not until the early 2000s, when I was writing a 'works' Triumph book, that I managed to meet him, and have him put me straight ....

 

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Edited by AAGR, 11 May 2017 - 17:49.


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#160 Rupertlt1

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Posted 11 May 2017 - 17:52

Regarding Rupertlt1, and his 1955 RAC rally results chart.

 

The winning co-driver was Brian Harrocks, not Brian Horrocks. He was always too modest to demand a correction for many years, and it was not until the early 2000s, when I was writing a 'works' Triumph book, that I managed to meet him, and have him put me straight ....

 

AAGR

 

Thanks for this - fixed above. Keep it coming!

 

Quote from Sydney Allard ref 1955 R.A.C. Rally (another man whose name is often spelled incorrectly):

 

"It has been the toughest rally I have ever tackled—far worse than any continental contest - and really hard going."

 

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Edited by Rupertlt1, 11 May 2017 - 17:56.


#161 Seedy

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Posted 11 May 2017 - 20:38

Rupert

 

To save me a huge amount of typing at this end I have just emailed you direct a copy of the list of entries for the 1955 RAC Rally from the programme.

 

I have also copied across all the Sunbeam Talbot details, Driver/Navigator, ST model,  reg number, comp number, and finish results.

 

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#162 Rupertlt1

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Posted 11 May 2017 - 20:59

Chris,

 

Many thanks. Are you saying #147 Sunbeam Talbot Mk3, PWK 605, P.D. Harper/D. Humphrey, was 10th O/A and not as above?

 

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Edited by Rupertlt1, 11 May 2017 - 21:00.


#163 Seedy

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Posted 11 May 2017 - 21:06

Rupert

 

According to my records yes no 147 finished 10th overall.

 

Trying to find accurate results from any RAC Rally in the1950s beyond the top finishers and class winners I have found to be very difficult.

 

So if anyone can come up with a complete list I will correct my records.accordingly

 

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Posted 12 May 2017 - 11:18

Rupert

 

Further to the above regarding car 147 Peter Harper..

 

Reading the Autosport report18/3/55 page 332 - 340

 

...announced as retirements at the Whitney control ...Peter Harper (Sunbeam) was said to have retired but apparently he did check in at the control and continued after a slight accident. I have no information on this.

 

Harper was later reported in class times as -

Blackpool test...good times were recorded by ...Harper's Sunbeam,

Short speed hillclimb at Brock Mill 6th fastest

Cadwell Park 3rd fastest

Silverstone 5th fastest

Prescott 2nd fastest

Goodwood 2nd fastest

Final test at Hastings 1st

 

So clearly he finished with some very good times but might have lost a lot of time early in the rally?

 

Does anyone have any more information?

 

Chris



#165 Rupertlt1

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Posted 12 May 2017 - 12:57

Quote from Sydney Allard ref 1955 R.A.C. Rally (another man whose name is often spelled incorrectly):

 

"It has been the toughest rally I have ever tackled—far worse than any continental contest - and really hard going."

 

RGDS RLT

 

Chris, The historical consensus has been that these events were "a walk in the park" compared to the forest events of the sixties.

The quote from Sydney Allard rather goes against this. Could Harper have been delayed in the snow?

 

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#166 Darren Galpin

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Posted 12 May 2017 - 13:14

I'm assuming that the 10th placed Seward/Johnson finish probably came from the April 1955 Motor Sport report (I've gone through the list of sources I used), but don't have it to hand if you wish to cross-check.



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Posted 12 May 2017 - 13:34

This https://www.ewrc-res...onal-Rally-1955 also has Seward in 10th, in #86.



#168 Fred Gallagher

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Posted 13 May 2017 - 08:03

Rupert

 

Further to the above regarding car 147 Peter Harper..

 

Reading the Autosport report18/3/55 page 332 - 340

 

...announced as retirements at the Whitney control ...Peter Harper (Sunbeam) was said to have retired but apparently he did check in at the control and continued after a slight accident. I have no information on this.

 

Harper was later reported in class times as -

Blackpool test...good times were recorded by ...Harper's Sunbeam,

Short speed hillclimb at Brock Mill 6th fastest

Cadwell Park 3rd fastest

Silverstone 5th fastest

Prescott 2nd fastest

Goodwood 2nd fastest

Final test at Hastings 1st

 

So clearly he finished with some very good times but might have lost a lot of time early in the rally?

 

Does anyone have any more information?

 

Chris

 

Harper was 51st overall and tenth in class.



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Posted 14 May 2017 - 10:22

This https://www.ewrc-res...onal-Rally-1955 also has Seward in 10th, in #86.

 

Caution - do not automatically trust this web-site - there seem to be several obvious mistakes. - I have checked this statement.

 

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Posted 14 May 2017 - 17:03

In his book "Rally Of The Forests" published 1970, Phil Drackett wrote as follows regarding the 1955 final classification: - ​The official records for this year are incomplete following a drastic revision of the provisional placings issued at the finish. The following are the only official placings later issued... - ​Then he goes on listing the first four as in the above list.

My question is, did RAC ever issue the full, official standings for this rally later on (after 1970)? If yes, where and when did they do it?

 

Tom


Edited by tombe2, 14 May 2017 - 17:04.


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Posted 14 May 2017 - 18:14

Fred

 

Apologise all round and I stand corrected on the issue of .........the 1955 RAC Rally where Peter Harper was indeed 51st overall & 10th in class.

 

You managed to read my database easier than I could??!!

 

I put it down to old age and getting ready for Beaulieu Auotjumble weekend.....where watching paint dry would have been more productive....

 

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#172 Fred Gallagher

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Posted 15 May 2017 - 08:47

Harper dropped 2680 road penalties to the Blackpool halt compared to 200 for the eventual winner.

 

From there to Hastings he dropped 1310 compared to 180 for Ray.

 

Harper describes the event at length in "Destination Monte". The initial delay was caused by 30 or so cars blocking an icy hill and subsequently falling off the road.

 

A couple of further "offs" compounded things......



#173 Fred Gallagher

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Posted 15 May 2017 - 08:58

In his book "Rally Of The Forests" published 1970, Phil Drackett wrote as follows regarding the 1955 final classification: - ​The official records for this year are incomplete following a drastic revision of the provisional placings issued at the finish. The following are the only official placings later issued... - ​Then he goes on listing the first four as in the above list.

My question is, did RAC ever issue the full, official standings for this rally later on (after 1970)? If yes, where and when did they do it?

 

Tom

 

From what I can see the provisional results each year in the 50s and early 60s were produced on cheap paper on a portable copier and stapled together.

 

After the event a professionally printed final set was produced.

 

For 1955 there are provisional results on cheap paper as expected. However another set printed by F.J.Parsons Ltd of London and Hastings exists.

 

This set does say "provisional" but I have my doubts. Could that wording have been inserted by mistake?

 

Autosport reported that results were not available for the Mayor's ball but were posted the following day. There was no follow up report referring to results becoming final.

 

The RAC were capable of errors; I have their in-house publication from 1968 with the headline - Simo Lampinen and Mike Wood win RAC Rally!



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Posted 15 May 2017 - 12:26

Fred

 

As you say in the Autosport it said the prize giving ball went ahead without any results being posted. The trophies would have made a nice display!!!

 

Thanks or more info about Peter Harper. It was fairly clear he had had some problems early on to loose so much time. Jusat going to check out Destination Monte to read that section

 

I remember contacting the RAC 'Library' many years ago to ask about results and all they had back then was an incomplete set of programmes. Hopefully they have better system now, but I guess not?

 

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Posted 15 May 2017 - 13:31

Chris, I enquired a few years back re R.A.C. archives - when researching Firle Hill Climb - apparently they disposed of much material when they morphed into the MSA.

This rally stuff needs copying to an archive before it is lost for good.

 

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Posted 15 May 2017 - 15:18

Chris, I enquired a few years back re R.A.C. archives - when researching Firle Hill Climb - apparently they disposed of much material when they morphed into the MSA.
This rally stuff needs copying to an archive before it is lost for good.

RGDS RLT

I visited the RAC Club about 2 month's ago to try to research the RAC Rally, I was told by Trevor Dunmore Club Librarian that some archive material is held off site 'in Westminster' however, in order to visit the archive it has to be manned. I'm waiting for a date for a visit but no info yet. I'll give him a chase. They do have a heritage catalogue which is searchable through www.royalautomobileclub.co.uk click on heritage menus however, I've tried unsuccessfully to find any useful detailed information.

Regards

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Edited by RobMk2a, 15 May 2017 - 15:18.


#177 Rupertlt1

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Posted 15 May 2017 - 15:52

Rob, This is another well known problem to researchers - an archive that is either difficult or impossible to access. (The latter case prevails here in Canada.) RGDS RLT



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Posted 26 December 2017 - 21:48

Here is my attempt to construct an entry list for the 1964 R.A.C. Rally:
(Thanks to Chris Derbyshire I now have a proper list - we should end up with a list including some reg numbers and car colours - how many cars started?)

 

#1 Mini, CRX 90B, red/white roof, Paddy Hopkirk/Henry Liddon

#2 Mini, CRX 89B, red/white roof, Aaltonen/Ambrose

#3 Ford Cortina GT, 893 DOO, red, Vic Elford/David Stone

#4 Saab, PA 9939, red, Carlsson/Palm

#5 VW, BA 54878, light/black bonnet, P. Toivonen/L. Lindstrom

#6 -

#7 Saab, PA 12570, red, Moss-Carlsson/Nystrom

#8 Volvo PV 544, OA 52287, white, Tom Trana/Thermanius

#9 Ford Cortina, Soderstrom/Ohlsson

#10 Saab, Lampinen/Davenport, ret'd accident

#11 Austin Healey, BMO 93B, red/white hardtop, Morley/Morley

#12 VW, BA 21134, light/black bonnet, Jansson/Petterson

#13 -

#14 Austin Healey, BRX 852B, red/white hardtop, Makinen/Barrow

#15 Volvo, C-M Skogh/L. Berggren

#16 -

#17 -

#18 Hillman Imp, 4562 KV, Lewis/Turvey

#19 Ford Cortina, 888 DOO, red, Henry Taylor/Brian Melia

#20 Volkswagen, BA 54875, Soderstrom/Olsson

#21 Ford Cortina, 889 DOO, Seigle-Morris/Nash

#22 Mini, KYJ 415, white/black roof, J.M.B. Wadsworth/???

#23 -

#24 Ford Cortina, 891 DOO, B. Ljungfeldt/F. Sager

#25 Sunbeam Rapier, 63 WKK

#26 Ford

#27 Mini, red/white roof (Sweden)

#28 Sunbeam Rapier, 5395 KV

#29 Rover, 1 KUE, red/white roof, Morrison/Syer

#30 Mini Cooper S, 24 PK, red, Peter Moon/Brian Culcheth

#31 Mini, 360 GNN, white/black roof

#32 -

#33 -

#34 Austin Mini Cooper, green, Wilson-Spratt/Bayliss

#35 Triumph, AHP 426B, light/black bonnet, Fidler/Grimshaw

#36 Morris Mini Cooper, AAC 953B, dark, Sutcliffe/Clarke

#37 Mini, AJB 44B, red/white roof

#38 VW 1500, white/black bonnet

#39 MGB, BRX 853B, red/white hardtop

#40 Ford Cortina, 787 GXY 

#41 VW, AUS 2B, dark

#42 Mini, GU 7808?, green/white roof, Kallstrom/Hakansson

#43 Sunbeam Alpine, AHP 483B, red/black hardtop?

#44 Mini, white/black roof

#45 Rover, 2 KUE, red/white roof, Anne Hall/Miss P. Spencer

#46 Ford Cortina, A 58367

#47 Ford Cortina, 459 LOF, white/black bonnet

#48 Rover, red/white roof

#49 Humber Super Snipe, 23?2 KV

#50 Morris Mini, B 60924

#51 Mini, 899 PPP, light blue

#52 Simca

#53 Volvo 544, O 72011, light, Osterberg/Sabel

#54 -

#55 Saab

#56 VW

#57 Triumph, AHP 427B, light/black bonnet

#58 Simca, DMD 203A, light metallic green

#59 Triumph 2000,

#60 Imp, 305 KV?

#61 Triumph, AHP 424B, light/black bonnet

#62 Mini, 574 GAC, beige

#63 BMC Cooper

#64 Saab,

#65 Triumph

#66 Rover, 4 KUE, red/white roof

#67 Hillman Imp, registration 4525 KV, David Pollard/Tony Baines

#68 Ford Cortina,

#69 DKW

#70 Ford

#71 Volvo, R 30205, light

#72 Mini, 144 JKB, light/black roof

#73 VW, EPE 30B,  

#74 Mini, BTX 111B, gold/black roof

#75 Ford Cortina Lotus

#76 Ford Cortina, 160 JFJ

#77 Saab, E.A.T. Willcocks/P.G. Smith

#78 Austin Mini Cooper, 170 TYD, red

#79 -

#80 -

#81 Austin Mini Cooper, 120 MNP, Red/white roof

#82 Ford Cortina, YHE 999, light

#83 Austin Mini Cooper,

#84 Morris, BFX 999B

#85 Ford

#86 VW 1500

#87 Renault

#88 Simca, ATL 7

#89 Ford

#90 Ford Cortina Lotus, light with dark side-stripes

#91 Sunbeam Rapier, 6145 RW

#92 MGB, 112 WNN, red/white hardtop

#93 Mini, BTA 336B, red/black roof

#94 Austin Cooper

#95 Austin

#96 Ford Cortina, AGT 508B

#97 Ford Cortina, 6464 RU

#98 Morris Cooper

#99 Ford

#100 Mini, COM ???, white/black roof

#101 Morris Cooper

#102 Sunbeam Rapier, 36 EKC

#103 Ford

#104 Mini, dark/white roof

#105 Saab,

#106 Rover

#107 BMC Cooper

#108 Mini, white/black roof

#109 Mini, CFM 66B, ???/white roof

#110 Ford Anglia, BWO 2B

#111 M.G. 1100

#112 Mini, CDM 347B, solid colour

#113 -

#114 -

#115 Triumph

#116 Sunbeam Rapier, 300 HPT

#117 Morris Cooper

#118 Humber Sceptre, 63 KR, light colour

#119 Ford Cortina, REP 548

#120 Mini, AUJ 250B

#121 Hillman Imp

#122 Ford

#123 -

#124 Austin Cooper

#125 -

#126 Sunbeam

#127 Fiat

#128 Saab

#129 Volvo

#130 Triumph, registration ADU 467B

#131 Ford

#132 Mini, AHA 333B

#133 MGB, ?82 AVY, André Baldet/

#134 Wartburg 311 (AWE), Gunter Ruttinger/Paul Thiel

#135 Wartburg 311 (AWE), dark/light roof, Kurt Rudiger/Gunter Gries

#136 MGA, SKW 888, blue/silver top, M.S. Hall/E.P. Millman

#137 Peugeot

#138 Morris Cooper

#139 Triumph

#140 Volkswagen 1500, B60844

#141 Hillman Imp, AJN 548B

#142 Austin Cooper

#143 Rover 3-litre, 676 DNX

#144 Ford, P.W. Ward/F.S. Herwin

#145 Morris, B.I. Stevens/S.J. Bate

#146 Austin Cooper, T.T. Pearce/J.M. Stokes

#147 Morris, W.V. Smith/J.H. Potter

#148 Morris Cooper, O. Smith/D.H. Smith

#149 Austin Cooper, G.A. Palmer/J.F.C. Green

#150 Ford, D.S.F. Thompson/D.J.K. Stephenson

#151 NSU, F. Seddon/G.P. Ryan

#152 Austin Cooper, B.C. Russell/Miss A.L.J. Scott

#153 Volkswagen, D. Moreton/F.S. Johnson

#154 Ford, I.A. Grant/J.R. Gray

#155 Morris Cooper, F. Crossley/A.H. Senior 

#156 Austin Cooper, M.R. Jamieson/Mrs E.E. Jamieson

#157 Morris Cooper, B. Figg/J.S. Wood

#158 MG, J.S. Donovan/A.B. Martin

#159 Ford, N.D. Birkett/P.A.L. Houseman

#160 Morris Cooper, R.A. Fall/J.D. Fawcett

#161 Ford, R.J.F. Baird/K.W. Atkinson

#162 Austin Cooper, C.A. Knowles/M.S. Hirst

#163 Rover, Mjr A.M.H. Wyndham/Sgt J. Rhodes

#164 Austin Cooper, G.E. Murray/R.Wood

#165 -

#166 Morris Cooper, A. Rathmell/J. Ashton

#167 Ford, W.H. Ramsden/S.R. Segal

#168 Volvo, D.J.F. Stammers/R.H. Cutler

#169 Morris Cooper, N.G.G. Speight/J.R.E. Curtis

#170 Ford, P. Mullen

#171 Austin Cooper, A.W. Raylor/W.H. Fargus

#172 Austin, J.D. Harling/D.G. Harling

#173 Austin Cooper, W.B. Jones/

#174 Volkswagen, C.W. Dart/H.F. Davies

#175 Austin Cooper, D.C. Fotherby/H.B. Barton

#176 Vauxhall, R.G. Cooper/I.K. Cooper

#177 M.G., J. Fitzpatrick/J. Handley

#178 Volvo, M. Isley/

#179 Morris Cooper, D.M. Fincham/G.C. Powell

#180 Volvo, G.P. Warner/J.W. Spiers

 

Fragments:

 

Ford Cortina, 4 EXT

Ford Cortina, AMB 12B

Ford Cortina, 1 KWC

Saab, PA 9937

Rover, 678 DNX

Triumph, AHP 425B

Mini, 9021 KX, light/black roof

Mini, AAC 953B

Mini, BNT 171B

Mini, CDM 949B

Mini, BAW 527B

Mini, 268 FTA, white

Imp, 8305 KV

END

 

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Posted 27 December 2017 - 17:06

Just checked - it was 62 I sent you, thought it might have been 64. I can send you 64 (but on same basis re-reg nos as 62).
I haven't kept colour records but can help with many of them. Some will be well known eg. works "DOO" Cortinas were red.

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Posted 27 December 2017 - 19:51

I can place all your "fragments" except Saab PA9937, Cortina GT 4EXT and Mini 268FTA.
Unless we both have the Carlsson works Saab wrong as PA9939, PA9937 is almost certainly Ake Andersson/Torsten Aman, running down at 125.
4EXT is a well known car, around today in (believable) "original" condition and associated with Trevor(?)Shaw later and Ron Channon.
268FTA is one of several possibilities.

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Posted 27 December 2017 - 20:17

Saab, PA 9937, is here: http://library.revsi...id/434291/rec/4

 

#77 Saab is 134 PUO?

 

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Posted 28 December 2017 - 16:37

I'd better clarify for TNF accuracy that "all works DOO Cortinas were red" applies to the 64 RAC context. The "DOO" registrations were used up to mid 65 on GT Cortinas (except the white Safari cars). KPU Lotus Cortinas then took over once the Lotus was homologated with proper rear suspension (ducks for an onslaught by Chapman fans). 63 works GTs were white (except the Pat Moss RWC car, which was white then red - and not from a re-spray...).

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Posted 29 December 2017 - 20:19

Saab, PA 9937, is here: http://library.revsi...id/434291/rec/4
 
#77 Saab is 134 PUO?
 
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PA9937 was the red works Saab of Ake "Briggan" Andersson and ran at No. 31 although originally listed at No125. Presumably a late entry. Bizarrely, the same thing happened on the 1963 RAC and the Andersson Saab was given a late number then ran in the 20s. Three works entered Saabs in 64 - Carlsson, Moss-Carlsson and Andersson. The Lampinen Saab was works-built but entered and registered by Saab Finland.
Not sure whether No.77 was POO or PUO.

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Posted 27 January 2018 - 10:25

1964 entry list:
 

#1 BMC Mini Cooper, CRX 90B, red/white roof, Paddy Hopkirk/Henry Liddon

#2 BMC Mini Cooper, CRX 89B, red/white roof, Aaltonen/Ambrose

#3 Ford Cortina GT, 893 DOO, red, Vic Elford/David Stone

#4 Saab, PA 9939, red, E. Carlsson/G. Palm

#5 VW, BA 54878, light/black bonnet, P. Toivonen/L. Lindstrom

#6 -

#7 Saab, PA 12570, red, Moss-Carlsson/Nystrom

#8 Volvo PV 544, OA 52287, white, Tom Trana/G. Thermanius

#9 Ford Cortina, B. Soderstrom/B. Ohlsson

#10 Saab, Lampinen/Davenport, ret'd accident

#11 Austin Healey, BMO 93B, red/white hardtop, Morley/Morley

#12 VW, BA 21134, light/black bonnet, Jansson/Petterson

#13 -

#14 Austin Healey, BRX 852B, red/white hardtop, Makinen/Barrow

#15 Volvo, C-M Skogh/L. Berggren

#16 -

#17 -

#18 Hillman Imp, 4562 KV, Lewis/Turvey

#19 Ford Cortina, 888 DOO, red, Henry Taylor/Brian Melia

#20 Volkswagen, BA 54875, Soderstrom/Olsson

#21 Ford Cortina, 889 DOO, Seigle-Morris/Nash

#22 Morris Mini Cooper, KYJ 415, white/black roof, J.M.B. Wadsworth/???

#23 -

#24 Ford Cortina, 891 DOO, B. Ljungfeldt/F. Sager

#25 Sunbeam Rapier, 63 WKK, J. La Trobe/J. Chitty

#26 Ford, B. Keinenan/R. Exon

#27 BMC Mini Cooper, red/white roof, H. Lindberg/G. Schroderheim

#28 Sunbeam Rapier, 5395 KV, A. Cowan/B. Coyle

#29 Rover, 1 KUE, red/white roof, Morrison/Syer

#30 Austin Mini Cooper S, 24 PK, red, Peter Moon/Brian Culcheth

#31 Saab, PA9937, A. Andersson/T. Ahman

#32 -

#33 -

#34 Austin Mini Cooper, green, Wilson-Spratt/Bayliss

#35 Triumph, AHP 426B, light/black bonnet, Fidler/Grimshaw

#36 Morris Mini Cooper, AAC 953B, dark, Sutcliffe/Clarke

#37 BMC Mini Cooper, AJB 44B, red/white roof, C. Orrenius/R. Dahlgren

#38 VW 1500, white/black bonnet, R. Larsson/B. Nilsson

#39 MGB, BRX 853B, red/white hardtop, Miss Pauline Mayman/Miss Valerie Domleo

#40 Ford Cortina, 787 GXY, G. King/P. Steiner 

#41 VW, AUS 2B, dark, I. Loudon-Cox/R. Finlay

#42 BMC Mini Cooper, GU 7808?, green/white roof, Kallstrom/Hakansson

#43 Sunbeam Alpine, AHP 483B, red/black hardtop?, R. Jones/J. Clegg

#44 Morris Mini Cooper, white/black roof, J. Sprinzel/P. Marshall

#45 Rover 2000, 2 KUE, red/white roof, Anne Hall/Miss P. Spencer

#46 Ford Cortina, A 58367, J.V. Damberg/G. Blomqvist

#47 Ford Cortina, 459 LOF, white/black bonnet, G. Bloom/Miss J. Nadin

#48 Rover, red/white roof, K. James/M.T. Hughes

#49 Humber Super Snipe, 23?2 KV, W. Bengry/B. Hughes

#50 Morris Mini Cooper, B 60924, L. Eliasson/P.O. German

#51 Morris Mini Cooper, 899 PPP, light blue, P. Easter/D.E.J. Thompson

#52 Simca, M. Hinde/R. Thorpe

#53 Volvo 544, O 72011, light, Sylvia Osterberg/Sabel

#54 -

#55 Saab, B. Karlsson/L. Ericsson

#56 VW, K. Gudim/J.E. Karlan

#57 Triumph, AHP 427B, light/black bonnet, T. Hunter/P. Lier

#58 Simca, DMD 203A, light metallic green, T. Fisher/G. Marrs

#59 Triumph 2000, J. Skarne/S.-I. Westerberg

#60 Hillman Imp, 305 KV?, Miss Rosemary J. Smith/M. McKenzie

#61 Triumph, AHP 424B, light/black bonnet, P. Bolton/N.H. Baguley

#62 Austin Mini, 574 GAC, beige, G.R. Hudson-Evans/R. Spokes

#63 BMC Cooper, P.L. Bostrom/A. Helger

#64 Saab, J. Fisk/L. Olsen

#65 Triumph, J.-J. Thuner/J. Gretener

#66 Rover, 4 KUE, red/white roof, R. Clark/A.J. Porter

#67 Hillman Imp, registration 4525 KV, David Pollard/Tony Baines

#68 Ford Cortina, M.J. Donegan/P. Cadman

#69 DKW, L. Gillmo/L. Galli

#70 Ford, A.R. Allard/T. Fisk

#71 Volvo, R 30205, light, O.P. Dahl/???

#72 Mini, 144 JKB, light/black roof, B. Hadfield/G. Haggie

#73 VW, EPE 30B, W.A. Fritschy/M.L. Cotton  

#74 Mini, BTX 111B, gold/black roof, N. Harvey/D. Cardell

#75 Ford Cortina Lotus, J.D. Wood/D. Lincoln

#76 Ford Cortina, 160 JFJ, S.G. Davey/P.A.W. Stephens

#77 Saab, 134 PUO?, E.A.T. Willcocks/P.G. Smith

#78 Austin Mini Cooper, 170 TYD, red, G.J. Mabbs/J. Brown

#79 -

#80 -

#81 Austin Mini Cooper, 120 MNP, Red/white roof, B. Williams/R.J. Harper

#82 Ford Cortina, YHE 999, light, E. Jackson/K. Joseph

#83 Austin Mini Cooper, F.P.P. Johnston/S.N. Devlin

#84 Morris Mini Cooper, BFX 999B, D.G. Hardey/F.G. Hadley

#85 Ford, R.N. Richards/G.C. Davies

#86 VW 1500, J.R. McSpadden/R.D.G. McBurney

#87 Renault, M. New/W.M. Rogers

#88 Simca, ATL 7, A.D. Lobb/P.D. Valentine

#89 Ford Cortina, AMB 12B?, P. Simister/T. Mason

#90 Ford Cortina Lotus, light with dark side-stripes, H.J. O'Connor-Rorke/K.W. Deacon

#91 Sunbeam Rapier, 6145 RW, H.A. Skelton/E.M. Lindsay-Jones

#92 MGB, 112 WNN, red/white hardtop, R.H. Parr/T.J. Oldham

#93 BMC Mini Cooper, BTA 336B, red/black roof, J.H. Partridge/M.P.W. Britton

#94 Austin Cooper, G.J. Tripp/T. Bosense

#95 Austin, J. Symons/I.J. Smart

#96 Ford Cortina, AGT 508B, L. Usterad-Svendsen/O.M. Fowler

#97 Ford Cortina, 6464 RU, A.D. Taylor/J.C. Billett

#98 Morris Mini Cooper, R.H. Walker/P.G. Walker

#99 Ford Cortina, 4 EXT?, D.H. Ray/A.J. Straker

#100 Morris Mini Cooper, COM ???, white/black roof, B.G. Williams/D. Jones

#101 Morris Mini Cooper, B. Whitmarsh/J.A. Griffiths

#102 Sunbeam Rapier, 36 EKC, M. Ross-Denby/G. O'K Wilson

#103 Ford, R.A. Clift/B.P. Lockyear

#104 Austin Mini Cooper, dark/white roof, K.D. Power/L. Evans

#105 Saab, J.C. Tordoff/N. Thomas

#106 Rover, Cpt F.W. Preston/Sgt R.W. Davies

#107 BMC Mini Cooper, E.D. Jenkins/Mrs J. Baker

#108 Morris Mini Cooper, white/black roof, M.E. Lane/R.W. Harper

#109 Austin Mini Cooper, CFM 66B, ???/white roof, R. Johnson/G.T. Blaber

#110 Ford Anglia, BWO 2B, M. Gibbs/R. Morgan

#111 M.G. 1100, J.Cox/K.J.G. Leckie

#112 Morris Mini Cooper, CDM 347B, solid colour, J. Frazier/J.A. Twigdon

#113 -

#114 -

#115 Triumph, W.J. Clemens/B. Brace

#116 Sunbeam Rapier, 300 HPT, G.R. Cook/D. Bowes

#117 Morris Mini Cooper, C.J. Horrell/D.E. Rowe

#118 Humber Sceptre, 63 KR, light colour, A. Boyd/B. Crawford

#119 Ford Cortina, REP 548, M. Bowyer/L. Vaughan

#120 Austin Mini Cooper, AUJ 250B, J.B.L. Denny/D.A.D. Lloyd

#121 Hillman Imp, G.S. Dinwiddy/F.P. Rutter

#122 Ford, P. Burch/C. Goff

#123 -

#124 Austin Mini Cooper, P.A. Silva/G.E. Jones

#125 -

#126 Sunbeam, J.R. Cotter/D.A.R. Hill

#127 Fiat, P.A. Trivulzio/G. Berselli

#128 Saab, J. Neilsen/Bo Johannesson

#129 Volvo, P.S. Stromberg/B. Gundersen

#130 Triumph Spitfire, ADU 467B, Miss V.K. Pirie/Miss S.M. Reeves

#131 Ford, W.G.R. Hayes/G. Alcorn

#132 Morris Mini Cooper, AHA 333B, L. Brooke/R. Freeborough

#133 MGB, ?82 AVY, André Baldet/???

#134 Wartburg 311 (AWE), Gunter Ruttinger/Paul Thiel

#135 Wartburg 311 (AWE), dark/light roof, Kurt Rudiger/Gunter Gries

#136 MGA, SKW 888, blue/silver top, M.S. Hall/E.P. Millman

#137 Peugeot, J.F. Barnes/T.C. Pettie

#138 Morris Mini Cooper, I. Fairclough/R. Hobro

#139 Triumph, L. Bertorelli/P. Warren 

#140 Volkswagen 1500, B60844, S. Lundin/N. Bjork

#141 Hillman Imp, AJN 548B, A. Wright/D.R. Edwards

#142 Austin Mini Cooper, W. West/Dr S.E. Aldersmith

#143 Rover 3-litre, 676 DNX, Sgt S.E. Scowen/Sgt J.P. Minto

#144 Ford, P.W. Ward/F.S. Herwin

#145 Morris, B.I. Stevens/S.J. Bate

#146 Austin Cooper, T.T. Pearce/J.M. Stokes

#147 Morris, W.V. Smith/J.H. Potter

#148 Morris Cooper, O. Smith/D.H. Smith

#149 Austin Cooper, G.A. Palmer/J.F.C. Green

#150 Ford, D.S.F. Thompson/D.J.K. Stephenson

#151 NSU, F. Seddon/G.P. Ryan

#152 Austin Cooper, B.C. Russell/Miss A.L.J. Scott

#153 Volkswagen, D. Moreton/F.S. Johnson

#154 Ford, I.A. Grant/J.R. Gray

#155 Morris Cooper, F. Crossley/A.H. Senior 

#156 Austin Cooper, M.R. Jamieson/Mrs E.E. Jamieson

#157 Morris Cooper, B. Figg/J.S. Wood

#158 MG, J.S. Donovan/A.B. Martin

#159 Ford, N.D. Birkett/P.A.L. Houseman

#160 Morris Cooper, R.A. Fall/J.D. Fawcett

#161 Ford, R.J.F. Baird/K.W. Atkinson

#162 Austin Cooper, C.A. Knowles/M.S. Hirst

#163 Rover, Mjr A.M.H. Wyndham/Sgt J. Rhodes

#164 Austin Cooper, G.E. Murray/R.Wood

#165 -

#166 Morris Cooper, A. Rathmell/J. Ashton

#167 Ford, W.H. Ramsden/S.R. Segal

#168 Volvo, D.J.F. Stammers/R.H. Cutler

#169 Morris Cooper, N.G.G. Speight/J.R.E. Curtis

#170 Ford, P. Mullen/

#171 Austin Cooper, A.W. Raylor/W.H. Fargus

#172 Austin, J.D. Harling/D.G. Harling

#173 Austin Cooper, W.B. Jones/

#174 Volkswagen, C.W. Dart/H.F. Davies

#175 Austin Cooper, D.C. Fotherby/H.B. Barton

#176 Vauxhall, R.G. Cooper/I.K. Cooper

#177 M.G., J. Fitzpatrick/J. Handley

#178 Volvo, M. Isley/

#179 Morris Cooper, D.M. Fincham/G.C. Powell

#180 Volvo, G.P. Warner/J.W. Spiers

 

Fragments:

 

Mini, 360 GNN, white/black roof 

Ford Cortina, 1 KWC

Rover, 678 DNX

Triumph, AHP 425B

Mini, 9021 KX, light/black roof

Mini, AAC 953B

Mini, BNT 171B

Mini, CDM 949B

Mini, BAW 527B

Mini, 268 FTA, white

Imp, 8305 KV

 

END

 

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#185 Rupertlt1

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Posted 25 November 2018 - 15:40

1963:

 

Blackpool promenade start

"They are scheduled to start

arriving at Crieff shortly after

noon. After following the route

via Blairgrove and Edzell they

are due in the Lumsden and

Huntly areas about teatime.

Control Points

Fochabers should see them

passing through shortly before

7 p.m. Forres about an hour

later, and Brodie, a major con-

trol point soon after that.

From Brodie they turn south-

wards through Grantown."

 

"One special section on

Forestry Commission land at

Fochabers, near Speymouth

was cut out because seagulls

had been eating grit used to

repair the road-and because so

heavy they could not take off to

avoid fast-moving vehicles."

 

[Is this the most bizarre reason for a cancellation?]

 

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Posted 25 November 2018 - 21:18


"One special section on Forestry Commission land at Fochabers, near Speymouth was cut out because seagulls had been eating grit used to  repair the road-and because so heavy they could not take off to avoid fast-moving vehicles."

 

[Is this the most bizarre reason for a cancellation?]

 

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Yes.  Or if it isn't, I really, really want to know what could be weirder!  Although, being a sceptical and suspicious type, I have a feeling that this might be one of those excuses used to cover up some more realistic but less forgiveablereason for the cancellation.  Like ''elf & safety' is (mis)used all the time nowadays.


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Posted 26 November 2018 - 00:34

1963 Special Stages:

 

1. Grisedale

2. Greystoke

3. Dodd

4. Wythop

5. Whinlatter

6. Cairn Edward I

7. Cairn Edward II

8. Glentrool

9. Carron Valley Cancelled: a week before the rally due to army manoeuvres

10. Loch Ard

11. Tulloch

12. Drumtochty

13. Clashindarroch

14. Bin Forest

15. White Ash

16. Lossie

17. Tentsmuir

18. Tulliallan

19. Redesdale Forest Cancelled

20. Kielder Forest

21. Wark Forest I

22. Wark Forest II

23. Greystoke

24. Whinlatter

25. Wythop

26. Dodd Cancelled flooding

Blackpool overnight stop

27. Oulton Park

28. Dyfnant

29. Gwydyr

30. Coed-y-Brenin

31. Dovey

32. Haffren I

33. Haffren II

34. Brechfa

35. Crychan

36. Eppynt

37. Coed Sarnau

38. Radnor

39. Quantocks

40. Porlock

41. Lulworth

42. Lulworth

43. Wareham

 

The yarn quoted at post #185 looks like a tall tale. Source: Aberdeen Press and Journal, Tuesday 12 November 1963, Page 7.

Perhaps the hack had a wee dram taken?

 

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#188 Rupertlt1

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Posted 26 November 2018 - 01:51

Rupert,

According to Tony Bancroft's book ACE Bristol #75 AC ACE UPJ 75 has an extensive race / rally history, including London and Alpine Rally #402 in 1954 and Tulip Rally in 55. In 1958 it was also raced by Bob Staples (looks like most weekends in the season!).
AC ACE WPF 200 #74 was entered by KG Cramp, Maroon / Grey (looks like only 1 month old, built 5th Feb 1955) also entered Goodwood 17th March 1956.

Regards Rob

 

Ref 1955 R.A.C. Rally I have found a photograph of #73 A.C. Ace, registration VPG 600, driven by K.N. Rudd, in the speed and braking tests at Hastings. Does this indicate he was a finisher?

 

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Posted 26 November 2018 - 08:35

Ref 1955 R.A.C. Rally I have found a photograph of #73 A.C. Ace, registration VPG 600, driven by K.N. Rudd, in the speed and braking tests at Hastings. Does this indicate he was a finisher?

 

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15th Overall and 7th in class.



#190 Dick Dastardly

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Posted 26 November 2018 - 21:20

I watched the 63 RAC as it came past our front door !  From Stage 1 Grizedale, they went to Ambleside then up the Struggle to the top of Kirkstone Pass, where there was a TC in the pub. From there they dropped down, past Brotherswater [where we lived], through Patterdale & Glenridding and on to Stage 2 Greystoke. I can still picture White PV544s, Red SAABs, Healeys, Cortinas and Minis etc going past.....I stood [aged 10] at the roadside in our car park....finally, car 79 stopped. Well, you wouldn't drive past your home without stopping would you, it was Dad   :drunk: 



#191 Rupertlt1

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Posted 27 November 2018 - 04:25

Great to see the usual suspects showing up here.

 

Mr. Dastardly: please discuss #79.

 

1963:

 

"For the first time special

speed sections will be held on

the Quantocks, near Triscombe

Stone."

"Spectators should be at Tris-

combe Stone by 7 a.m. next

Friday."

 

Finish at Bournemouth, Friday evening.

 

Does anybody have a 1963 entry list and/or road book?

 

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#192 Rupertlt1

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Posted 28 November 2018 - 20:07

I watched the 63 RAC as it came past our front door !  From Stage 1 Grizedale, they went to Ambleside then up the Struggle to the top of Kirkstone Pass, where there was a TC in the pub. From there they dropped down, past Brotherswater [where we lived], through Patterdale & Glenridding and on to Stage 2 Greystoke. I can still picture White PV544s, Red SAABs, Healeys, Cortinas and Minis etc going past.....I stood [aged 10] at the roadside in our car park....finally, car 79 stopped. Well, you wouldn't drive past your home without stopping would you, it was Dad   :drunk:

 

1963 - see #79, registration XWH 2:

 

https://library.revs...ion=p17257coll1

 

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Posted 28 November 2018 - 20:33

I am beginning to enjoy this!  Hee hee!!

 

But how sad that's it's all gone away. (I suppose we are to be grateful we saw some of it). Well, I am, anyway.



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Posted 30 November 2018 - 23:04

Thanks Rupertlt1, I hadn't seen that photo before. I have 2 others, one showing the N/S front wheel assembly trying to make a break for freedom !!. gearbox issues forced their retirement in South Wales. 



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Posted 02 December 2018 - 10:42


.

 


 



Does anybody have a 1963 entry list and/or road book?

 

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Just the excuse to finish transcribing the programme list. Hope this helps Rupert.

 

Also hoping any mistakes are the ones published 55 years ago, not me making fresh ones. If anyone knows better then please mention it here..

 

Stephen

 

 

November 11th - 16th, 1963, 12th RAC Rally of Great Britain

Starts Blackpool – finish Bournemouth.

 

#          Driver               co-driver          car       class

1 G J Mabbs J Brown Austin Cooper 5

2 R Altonen (Aaltonen) J A Ambrose Austin Healey 7

3 L Bianchi P P Roberts Citroen DS19 4

4 E Carlsson G Palm SAAB 1

5 D J Morley E Morley Austin Healey 7

6 B G Jansson E Patterson Volkswagen 3

7 Miss Pat Moss Miss J Nadin Ford Cortina 6

8 B Soderstrom R Joisson Volkswagen 3

9 G Anderson D Johns Volvo 4

10 B Soderstrom Bo Ollsen Ford Cortina 6

11 C M Skogh L Berggren Volvo 4

12 blank

13 blank

14 blank

15 V Elford D Stone Triumph TR4 6

16 G H F Parkes R Dixon Reliant Sabre 6 7

17 P Harper L Hall Humber Sup. Snipe 4 4

18 R F Baxster E McMillan Reliant Sabre 6 7

19 P Procter D Mabbs Sunbeam Rapier 3B 3

20 P Riley H A R Nash Ford Cortina GT 6

21 P Hopkirk H Liddon Morris Cooper S 3

22 D Siegle-Morris W B Hercock Ford Cortina GT 6

23 J Sprinzel blank Rover 3 litre 4

24 blank

25 blank

26 A Andersson P G Ardahl SAAB 5

27 H Taylor B Melia Ford Cortina 3

28 T Makinen J M Wood Austin Healey 7

29 T Trana S Linstrom Volvo 4

30 B Ljungfeldt F Sager Ford Falcon 4

31 A T Fisher G J Monns Austin Cooper S 5

32 Mrs Anne Hall blank Ford Cortina 3

33 J J Thuner J Gretener Triumph TR4 6

34 Mrs S Osterburg Mrs LL Edenring Volvo 4 

35  I D Lewis R Turvey Sunbeam Alpine 6

36 L Morrison R Finlay Morris Cooper 2

37 L Gillmo Lars Olsen SAAB 2

38 Mrs P Mayman Miss V Domleo Morris Cooper S 3

39 T Hunter J King Morris Cooper 2

40 K James M T Hughes Rover 4

41 P R Bolton M Kemperly Vauxhall 4/90 3

42 Miss Rosemary Smith Miss M Mackenxie Sunbeam Rapier 3

43 P Jopp L Leston Ford Falcon 4

44 A E Bengry B Hughes Rover 4

45 Olle Dahl R Irwin SAAB1

46 J Cuff N H Baguley Ford Cortina 3

47 C Orrenius R Dolgren Morris Cooper S 3

48 O Anderson G Wiman Morris Cooper S 3

49 R fiddler D Grimshaw Triumph TR4 6

50 O Bromark K Lyxell SAAB 5

51 J Latrobe J Chitty Sunbeam Rspier 3

52 H Kullstrom (blank) Volkswagen 3

53 M Sutcliffe T E Rowlands Ford Zodiac 4

54 D Pollard J Baines Sunbeam Rapoer 3

55 Sir Peter Moon R J Mackie Austin Healey 7

56 T S Baker J Handley MG Midget 5

57 P Eater (Easter) D E J Thompson Austin Mini1

58 Mrs H B Ehringe Miss A L Lindkvist SAAB 1

59 P Simister D E Barrow Ford Cortina 3

60 Miss Isobel Robinson Mrs E Lewsey Simca 2

61 J M B Wadsworth   (blank) Morris Cooper S 5

62 D R Hiam R Crellin Morris Mini 1

63 B E Culceth A J Straker Austin Mini Cooper 5

64 R A Clarke J Porter Triumph TR4 6

65 T Paton J J Syer Morris Cooper 2

 

66 J W McInnes Dr S S Parker Vauxhall 4/90 3

67 A R Allard J Fisk Allardette 6

68 C T Cox J Davenport Rover 4

69 L Griffiths S Turner Sabre 6

70 M A Vostello G Cooper Sunbeam Rapier

71 3J Preddy P Smith Allardette 6

72 M Hinde J Barritt Simca 2

73 D Margulies J E Trott Ford Cortina 6

74 J Ray J Hopwood Austin Cooper S 5

75 J R Kennerly D Martland Jaguar 3.8 4

76 J E Anoreason P Troberg BMC Cooper S 3

77 G J Allen S Wooley Vauxhall VX 4/90

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#196 Rupertlt1

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Posted 02 December 2018 - 12:26

Can somebody answer the question ref 1958 RAC Rally here:

 

https://forums.autos...-3#entry8604799

 

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#197 RS2000

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Posted 02 December 2018 - 21:28

In 63 Andersson was originally no. 142 but ran no. 26.

#198 Rupertlt1

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Posted 16 December 2018 - 22:10

1955, March 8-12: The Fifth Royal Automobile Club British International Rally 
#58 BEKAERT, J.R.G., Ford, Co-Driver K.W. Barrow, dep Hastings
 
 
Cars departed from Hastings and Blackpool, finished at Hastings.
Driving tests at Blackpool, Hastings, Cadwell Park, Silverstone, Prescott Hill, Oulton Park and Goodwood.
 
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#199 RTH

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Posted 19 December 2018 - 12:57

I am beginning to enjoy this!  Hee hee!!

 

But how sad that's it's all gone away. (I suppose we are to be grateful we saw some of it). Well, I am, anyway.

Absolutely true. The annoying part is .. it does not have to be this way .



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#200 RS2000

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Posted 19 December 2018 - 20:55

Absolutely true. The annoying part is .. it does not have to be this way .


I'm afraid it does. I was involved in it in one way or another for some 18 years, many as a competitor. When I look at my fuel bill alone for a mid eighties RAC and translate that forward...
Health and Safety (not Timo Salonen and Walter Rohrl complaining, as I often claim) caught up with it.