
Thanks in advance for your answers

Arturo
Posted 27 December 2002 - 18:06
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Originally posted by fines
I believe (from memory) the central pedal was blamed for Wolfgang von Trips' crash in practice for the 1956 Italian GP.
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Posted 27 December 2002 - 22:35
What was the reason for that?Originally posted by Doug Nye
Arturo - centre throttle pedal - with brake pedal to the right, clutch pedal to the left - was absolutely standard practice pre-war and retained by the great Italian constructors long post-war.
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Originally posted by oldtimer
Doug - you were driving a Vanwall? Please tell us more. You don't have to tell us why you were behind a Super Squalo.![]()
Posted 29 December 2002 - 10:42
It was considered more speedy to heel-and-toe gearchanges with a crash-type gearbox with throttle in the centre and brake pedal to the right. The great Jano Alfas are the same...
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Posted 23 January 2005 - 01:02
Originally posted by Doug Nye
- centre throttle pedal - with brake pedal to the right, clutch pedal to the left - was absolutely standard practice pre-war and retained by the great Italian constructors long post-war. Vintage Vauxhalls and Bentleys have centre throttles, the Napier-Railton has a centre throttle, the Lancias, Maseratis, Ferraris almost all had centre throttles unless the customer - such as S.C. Moss - specified otherwise. In period, nothing unusual about that at all...
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Posted 24 January 2005 - 22:27
Originally posted by eldridge
The Alfa Monza also has a centre throttle pedal.
...but remeber brake on the right, brake on the right, brake on the right...
(sorry for showing off, but I have to tell someone)
Posted 25 January 2005 - 05:35
Originally posted by diego
On top of what's been discussed in this thread already, I'd like to better understand:
1) When did road cars standardize on the current layout of throttle on the right, brake to the left?
2) When did race cars (and in particular, GP cars) go to the now standard layout?
Thank you for your assistance.
- Diego
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Did the sharknose Ferraris have this kind of pedal layout ??
Arturo
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For what it's worth it might be of interest to our younger members if I point out one advantage the central throttle has:
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Posted 30 January 2013 - 14:11
I'm sure I remember being told (but can't say by whom, therefore authenticity dodgy at best) that Maserati used central throttle and that the Moss-owned 250F had been changed to suit its owner. I have a further memory that says that SCM's 250F team car had been changed and in consequence could not be borrowed by team-mates.Thanks Allan, I know the theoretical advantages, but my question remains, were Ferrari alone in persisting with the central throttle arrangement, and were they still doing this in the early 60s?
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Posted 30 January 2013 - 14:23
Thanks Allan, I know the theoretical advantages, but my question remains, were Ferrari alone in persisting with the central throttle arrangement, and were they still doing this in the early 60s? If so, wouldn't their sports & prototype cars be the same, surely they didn't just have it on their F1 cars? Did Ferrari (or other Italian) road cars ever have a central pedal, and if so when did the practice die out? I suppose it becomes second nature given enough practice, but I haven't double-declutched since I drove a friend's pre-war MG, and I didn't find it at all easy, especially with the proud owner squeezed in alongside me.
Posted 30 January 2013 - 14:32
I'm pretty sure Ferrari (like everyone else) had dropped central accelerators by the late 50s, apart from driver preference the reclined seating position in rear engined cars seems to make it harder to operate the pedals that way round.
Posted 30 January 2013 - 14:33
I have always braked with the ball of the foot, whether heel-and-toeing or not. I would expect that braking with the heel would remove any of the easy ankle movement that would allow the foot articulation necessary for operating the throttle. In a double-declutched change, delecate throttle use is not involved, as it's more of a quick (but precisely timed!) jab.Incidentally I thought the idea was that pushing with your heel on the brake pedal allowed greater force to be exerted, while the toes could then operate the accelerator more delicately, but the only experience I've had of such controls is with low performance/early cars with weird control layouts.
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Posted 01 February 2013 - 11:19
well diego, i can't tell you the whole story but suffice to say a shift lever and clutch,brake and throttle pedals are relatively [cough] recent assignments for certain automotive activities....i'll just give you a few examples from my own experience....1908 cadillac...throttle; a lever on the steering column...brake; pedal on the right...low gear; pedal on the left....high gear;giant lever on the outside of the car-push foreward to engage ..pull back for neutral...pull all the way back for reverse [or an assist to weak brake pedal]..as all the gears are planetary such activities could be done without the benifit of a clutch....to add to the worry, the spark advance/****** lever was opposite the gas and oh , the steering was on the right side of the car....to start the one GIANT cylinder you inserted a cast iron crank into a hole on the left side of the body and cranked counter-clockwise!...all well and good if it was the only car you drove...
1914 model t ford....again throttle and spark advance levers on the steering column [steering on the right this time] three pedals confront you...read carefully now..the LEFT pedal was the gear pedal;forward=low gear... holding the pedal mid stroke was neutral...let pedal spring all the way back= hi gear...now the pedal on the right is the brake-actuating a contracting band in yet another planetary transmission...now the MIDDLE pedal is reverse..to make it work one must push the gear pedal into "neutral",hold it there and push reverse with the other foot....the t ,with it's crank on the front is turned clockwise....one advantage...hit ANY pedal at speed and you will slow down.
i'll be brief..
1935 alvis speed 25....RHD "normal "pedal arrangement...central gear lever to the drivers left...
1929 invicta....RHD...normal pedal arrangement...gated shift lever on the drivers right[still inside the car]
1922 amilcar...RHD...central throttle..ball gear lever in the center ..to the drivers left.
1930 GP bugatti...RHD..normal pedal arrangement...central detached gearbox with inside shift gate on the drivers right but the lever pokes out a hole in the body to essentially become an outside shift lever..[oh yeah..h-pattern...1st,right/back...2ed straight forward...3rd;thru the gate to the right and pull back...4th; push straight ahead]
and then there's all the odd shift patterns...with cars with 2,3,4,5,and 6 speeds i often have to tape the right pattern to the dash...
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