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[stuartbrs]

In Nigel Roebucks latest online section in Autosport he talks about the Tasman series briefly. One tiny small error, he states that there were 3 races in Australia and one in Tasmania...

Tasmania is most definately part of Australia, in fact Hobart is Australia`s second oldest city, and we even use Aussie dollars!

Just thought I`d better clear that up!! Although Nigel still remains one of my favourite scribes still!!!!

[Flying Panda]

Originally posted by stuartbrs
Tasmania is most definately part of Australia,

Tasmanians are the only people who believe that

[petefenelon]

Originally posted by Flying Panda
Tasmanians are the only people who believe that

Every country's got its region where family trees branch inwards. Snetterton's in the middle of England's
pete

[Ray Bell]

Originally posted by stuartbrs
.....Tasmania is most definately part of Australia, in fact Hobart is Australia`s second oldest city, and we even use Aussie dollars!

Just thought I'd better clear that up!! Although Nigel still remains one of my favourite scribes still!!!!

'Definately'?

Definitely not!

And as for the second oldest city in Australia, from memory that honour belongs to Sydney... Parramatta being the first.

I agree though, Tasmania generally has a much more ancient (if not dignified) history than some parts of the balance of the country... reflected in a statement by a coach driver taking a gang of pressmen into Launceston after we'd flown in from Melbourne.

Asking if we wanted the normal commentary given the tourists, some malarky followed (Will Hagon at the centre of that?) and he continued with it... "I usually say," he told us, after explaining that Launceston was founded and then John Batman sailed from there to commence the journey that led to Melbourne's creation, "so gentlemen, we are your ancestors!"


Better go check what other mistakes he's made...

[Ray Bell]

Oh dear... lots of errors...

Saying the annual migration of drivers to the Antipodes for an off-season junket began with the AGP of 1956... not so.

The 1954 NZ GP saw foreign participation of the same type... and the AGP was held about October that year... hardly off-season. It was, in fact, timed to coincide with the Olympic Games in Melbourne.

Then, after the gaff about Tasmania, which possibly could have been merely leaving out the word 'mainland' prior to 'Australia', he puts in this sentence: "the following year more 'foreign' drivers began to take part, including Jim Clark (who won the championship), Graham Hill and Phil Hill..."

Graham Hill had been both in 1963 and 1964, and prior to that in the much looser string of races of 1961. John Surtees had come in 1963 along with Tony Maggs, Stirling Moss had been a regular until his crash, and then there had been Lorenzo Bandini and others from time to time. The number of 'foreign' drivers was generally about the same... 1965 hit the heights with World Champions.

Finally, he says that GP drivers didn't take part in the F5000 Tasmans of the post-1969 era. Well... I recall Chris Amon and David Walker being here, Mike Hailwood too. There were probably others, but I think Surtees only drove the F5000 in the on-off AGP at Warwick Farm.

[Falcadore]

Originally posted by Flying Panda
Tasmanians are the only people who believe that

You Northern Islanders think your all that don't you?

[stuartbrs]

Thanks for clearing all that up Ray!

And, yes, there is nothing better than reminding our Melbourne ( which is a wonderful place )cousins of who actually founded their city!

I didnt know that about Paramatta, well, we had the first operating Casino ( not that thats anything to brag about ) the oldest continuously operating brewery ( that is something definatley worth bragging about ) which makes the countries best beer, and the second deepest Harbour in the World in Hobart.

And with modern surgery these days you hardley notice the scar on our necks anymore!



oh, and our International One day ( and soon to be test? ) cricket Captain is a Tassie boy

[Barry Lake]

I wouldn't be betting a lot of money on Parramatta being older than Sydney...


2 November 1788, Australia's second European settlement began at Rose Hill (Parramatta).

The First Fleet arrived and settled in Sydney 26 January 1788.

(Captain Phillip actually arrived at Botany Bay 18 January).

[Barry Lake]

By the way, how is the Tasmanian Civil War, between the North and the South progressing?

I saw some nasty incidents when I was last there for Targa Tasmania; haven't been game to go back since...

Hobart almost erupted in flames when I said to Greg Crick at the finish of Targa, "You're from down here aren't you?" - meaning Tasmania. He and his fellow Launcestians thought that by "down here" I meant Hobart. And the Hobart mob weren't impressed either, that I'd suggested "one of them" was from "down here".

A bit like asking Saddam Hussein if he was from Iran.

Makes Sydney vs Melbourne look like a Sunday School picnic.

[Catalina Park]

We refer to Tasmania as the West Island of New Zealand!

I witnessed the civil war when I raced in Tasmania in 97 and could not believe it!
One weekend I raced at Baskerville near Hobart and the next weekend I raced at Symmonds Plains near Launceston and the amount of bias between the two cities and their respective drivers is incredible.

Hobart may be the capital of Tasmania but Launceston is the capital of motor racing, just ask them!
It was not helped by CAMS having the Tasmanian office in Paddy Bakers basement in Launceston!

I would rather be from NSW and face the Victorian scruitineers than be from the South of Tazzy and have to race at Symmonds Plains!

[Mark Beckman]

Originally posted by Falcadore


You Northern Islanders think your all that don't you?

As a matter of fact, yes.

[Ray Bell]

Originally posted by stuartbrs
.....and the second deepest Harbour in the World in Hobart.....

Not only that, one of the biggest harbours in the world!

Which is useless because of the shallowest entry in the world...























I write, of course, about the beautiful Macquarie Harbour...

[stuartbrs]

Doesnt seem to bother those US aircraft carriers that frequent Hobart and steal all our women...

As an aside, I was suprised at how small the US Battleships were when they visited here, i know they werent the biggest ships in their class, but next to a Carrier there not all that impressive.

When I was 4 the USS Enterprise came here and our little prep class went around her on a ferry, I remember looking up at her bows as we passed underneath and I burst out in tears because it was the biggest scariest thing Id ever seen...and she`s not all that big either!

As for the North-South thing, I think you`ll find a lot of it is just stirring, sure its fun to pick on Northeners ( as they find it fun to pick on us ) and a bit of play acting goes on when all you people from Tasmania`s Northen Island come and visit.

Which brings me to another subject, Tasmanians cant drive in city traffic no question, nor can they figure out what an indicator is, but my god, Victorians ( and yes its an overgeneralisation ) on open roads are dreadful! I drive up the east coast road ( fantastic road too ) every second day, I come up behind a Victorian on the twisty bits doing 40-60KMH on bends that are easily taken 20KMH faster, we get to the overtaking lanes, and they speed up to 120-130KMH ( you lose your liscence automaticaly here if your 35 over the limit ) to keep you behind them, get to the next bit that resembles a bend or twist and wham, its down to 40-60 again! Being overtaken is not an assesment of your manlyhood! Im not into getting killed on the open road, or losing my ( much needed ) liscence, but I am on the road for work and when there is sometimes 15-20minutes between overtaking lanes it becomes frustrating, they even do it to Log trucks, dont ever take a log truck on, cars,4wd`s,vans, always lose, why cant some people realise that! I was driving up there in the winter months in driving rain, poor visibility, and very slippery conditions, following two Log trucks, who I was happy to sit behind untill we got to the nice ( reasonably ) safe overtaking lanes, but not the ( local ) ute in front of me, he`s pulled out on a blind corner and just made it past one to squeeze inbetween both trucks , my heart in my mouth, Ive backed right off waiting for the bang and death and carnage...only to see him do the same to the next truck on the next blind corner, why do some people want to die so badly in cars....and kill innocent people with them... I guess at least the victorians only have trouble on fastish bends, but Tasmanians seem incapable of seeing the consequences of stupid driving...Im losing symapathy fast for 50% of road victims, the ones that caused the accident... anyway, this is sounding like a rant now, sorry.

[Ray Bell]

Yes, Tasmanians did always seem to have better overall open road abilities...

But as for aircraft carriers in Macquarie Harbour, I think you missed the boat!

And what year did two brothers toss a coin for the right to kill himself in an aircraft propellor driven World Water Speed Record attempt on Macquarie Harbour?

[fines]

Originally posted by stuartbrs
Doesnt seem to bother those US aircraft carriers that frequent Hobart and steal all our women...

How's that done, then?

[stuartbrs]

But as for aircraft carriers in Macquarie Harbour, I think you missed the boat

Sometimes we get so caught up in this North-South thing that we forget the West coast even exists!!! Yes, after Port Phillip bay Macauarie harbour is the next biggest, but not the second deepest .

But boy, do a lot of fishermen get killed up that way, you think motorsport is dangerous. The roll call for lost fishermen looks like some of those memorials from the wars.

Ill get back to you on the WSR attempt up there, give me a couple of hours!!

And as far as how do they steal our women?? It would seem an american sailors uniform and accent is all you need!!!!!

[Ray Bell]

It's an old Tasmanian tradition...

The women from the north coast were stolen by the whalers of the 19th century and put on King and Flinders(?) Islands as concubines for use in the whaling season...

Port Phillip bay isn't a harbour in this context... if you count it, where do you stop? The Gulf of Carpentaria? The Great Australian Bight?

[LB]

Originally posted by fines
How's that done, then?

In Tassie? fairly easily

ah the memories

[Ray Bell]

Originally posted by LB
In Tassie? fairly easily

They're still keeping the tradition then?

But no longer is it going to lead to murder, mayhem and genocide... fortunately.

[Falcadore]

Originally posted by Barry Lake
By the way, how is the Tasmanian Civil War, between the North and the South progressing?

I saw some nasty incidents when I was last there for Targa Tasmania; haven't been game to go back since...

Hobart almost erupted in flames when I said to Greg Crick at the finish of Targa, "You're from down here aren't you?" - meaning Tasmania. He and his fellow Launcestians thought that by "down here" I meant Hobart. And the Hobart mob weren't impressed either, that I'd suggested "one of them" was from "down here".

A bit like asking Saddam Hussein if he was from Iran.

Makes Sydney vs Melbourne look like a Sunday School picnic.

Barry,
Easiest method to tell is from what is worn on the right hand. If it is a stubbie of Boags, then they are from the North, if it is a stubbie of Cascade then Hobartians they likely be. If they have a spirit with coke then they're more than likely from Melbourne and slumming it for a weekend. Half my family won't talk to me because I prefer Boags.

[stuartbrs]

Exactly right Falcadore!

When I lived up near Cairns for awhile many years back, my mate and I searched high and low for some cascade, eventually finding some in the town we lived in , racing home, excited, we could hardly wait for that cascase taste...

Only to be bitterly disapointed, see, after the first mouthful, it became apparent that something was horribly horribly wrong...further investigation revealed the awful truth, there in fineprint, on our cascade stubbies were the words "brewed by Boags", the difference in taste was unbelievable.... still, it was better than the XXXX that we had to endure up untill that point, which Im sure was brewed with old dishwashing liquid or something.

And Ray, I give in, I even asked my anorak father who came up stumps, who were those WSR boys in that WWII engined craft????

And I take your point about port Phillip bay, it seems there are many harbours which lay claim to deepest,second deepest,largest,best,bluest,dirtiest,etc Harbour!

[stuartbrs]

And what year did two brothers toss a coin for the right to kill himself in an aircraft propellor driven World Water Speed Record attempt on Macquarie Harbour?

Vern Reid???

My Grandfathers brother , Vic Johnson, would have known,raced bikes cars and boats for many years, unfortunately he passed away some years ago, and my grandfather last year, so Im stuck.. who is it Ray??

[Barry Lake]

Originally posted by fines
How's that done, then?

Fines, I have told you at least once before that you, a German living in Germany, have a better grasp on the English language than we Australians do...

These aircraft carriers have such powerful computers they have learned to think for themselves and are able to take control of the ship's systems. They shove large, flexible air-conditioning ducting tubes out onto the wharves and, when women come walking past, they run the air-conditioners at full speed - in reverse! It sucks the women into the ship, where they are stored until the carrier is once again at sea. Then they reverse the process and spit them out into the ocean.

The carriers have no use for these women; they only steal them to get the Tasmanians upset. Rumour got around that the islanders were insulting their friends, the battleships, by calling them "small".

Sheesh! Haven't they seen the size of the sloop "Norfolk" that Bass and Flinders used to circumnavigate their island in 1798?

[stuartbrs]

Barry!!! so thats it then! The amount of women I know that have married US sailors ( and believe me, they dont need to be sucked in ) is fairly depressing...why wasnt I born rich instead of good looking!!

I take your point exactly though, when the tall ships visited here in 1988, I was struck by their splendor, their majesty, their sheer OMG factor.Seeing a fleet of them sail up the Derwent was one of those memories that will stay with me forever.

I remember watching a video once on the last tall ship to ply her trade down the coast of South Africa, seeing the hull completely submerged in water and only the masts sticking out of the churning, angry, deadly sea was one of the most specatacular peices of footage I`ve ever seen, totally incredible.
But I stick to my guns, we were on a small craft to watch the USS New Jersey leave Hobart, she`d even docked at the wharf, something the carriers just cant do, and I was struck by how small she looked. Dont get me wrong, those massive guns were impressive, her beautiful lines were desperatley gorgeous, her poise in the sea enviable, but next to a carrier, they do look small... next to a Frigate or Destroyer, yes, they look big, but I`m sure the great Battleships of the high seas were bigger... the Yamato, the Nelson, even the Graf Spea ( spelling is wrong ) look bigger in footage.

Theres something about a Battleship though, powerful, poised, proud,every line screaming what she is, but those US Battleships weren`t big for their class, maybe I was expecting something more, but when you see an Aircraft carrier moored in Hobart as you drive into the city through Mt Nelson, the first thing that strikes you is the sheer size of `em, the purpose, the "sh*t thats big" factor!

Now, wasnt there a famous Hollywood actress, that claimed to be from Tasmania, who apparently left here on a foreign boat ( chinese ?) to leave for America, the subject of much conjecture, who, upon her return to Hobart in the 70`s, let it slip that she`d never been here before...

[Barry Lake]

Merle Oberon. I saw a very detailed documentary on her just recently, for which they had tried very hard to trace her real background, with no real conclusion.

I don't know much about warships, but maybe a modern battleship needs speed and manoeuvrability more than size.

Perhaps we had better steer this thread around to Tasmanian race circuits and racing drivers.

Anyone care to rattle off a list of Tasmanian race circuits and hillclimbs, plus some Tasmanian drivers of note?

[Bladrian]

Originally posted by Barry Lake


Fines, I have told you at least once before that you, a German living in Germany, have a better grasp on the English language than we Australians do...

These aircraft carriers have such powerful computers they have learned to think for themselves and are able to take control of the ship's systems. They shove large, flexible air-conditioning ducting tubes out onto the wharves and, when women come walking past, they run the air-conditioners at full speed - in reverse! It sucks the women into the ship, where they are stored until the carrier is once again at sea. Then they reverse the process and spit them out into the ocean.

Thus the women wind up sucked, ****ed, and chucked .......

[David McKinney]

Originally posted by Barry Lake
[BAnyone care to rattle off a list of Tasmanian race circuits and hillclimbs, plus some Tasmanian drivers of note? [/B]

Off the top of my head:
Circuits
Longford
Valleyfield (or some name like that)
Quorn Hall
Baskerville
Symmons Plains
Hillclimbs
Muddy Creek
Hobart Domain
Penguin
Travellyn
Drivers
John Youl
John McCormack
John Goss
John Bowe
John (Jock) Walkem
I think there was some sort of local Tasmanian law that said you had to be called John
Oh no, there was also:
Gavin Youl
Don Gorringe
Don Elliott
Alan Ling, Ross Farmer, Ray Long (ex NSW)
etc
etc

[Ray Bell]

As for the hillclimbs, the daddy of them all... Poatina.

Well, the longest hillclimb I've heard about in Australia... it's a part of the main road south from Longford to the interior, rising from near the Poatina power station... about three miles, the actual length is in the CAMS manual of the early seventies... when it was last run, I think.

Other drivers of note (and note that I might not agree with some of David's inclusions so far...)...

Boyce Youl... included more because he fathered John and Gavin and provided Symmons Plains

Wayne Mahnken (could have been in the same basket as Ian G, PB and Barry S had he kept going...)
Tony Edmondson
David Parsons
Lyn Archer (now an intrinsic part of the Hobart City Council)
Bill Bashford (creator of the infamous Bashmobile
Ross Ambrose (instrumental in the creation of Van Dieman cars)

Funny, David... not a single 'John'... there must be more... who was it raced a neat Elfin 700 there?

[LB]

Is Marcus Ambrose not Tassie?

Three dirt ovals are still used today too New Norfolk, Carrick and Latrobe - and of course most of the roads are used on the Targa..

[Ray Bell]

Originally posted by LB
Is Marcus Ambrose not Tassie?

Three dirt ovals are still used today too New Norfolk, Carrick and Latrobe - and of course most of the roads are used on the Targa..

Not real sure about this...

Ross left Tassie to go to England in ab out 1971 or so (I was talking to him at the Warwick Farm meeting just before he went, well into the night...), but I don't know if he ever returned. And I don't think his mother was with Ross at the time either... where's she from?

[Karen Hyland]

Originally posted by LB
Is Marcus Ambrose not Tassie?

According to Marcos' Website , he was born in Launceston, Tasmania on 1st September 1976.

Karen Hyland

[eldougo]

Lyn Archer (now an intrinsic part of the Hobart City Council)

Have just got back from down south ,we had a great time. On our way through
Huonville we passed a shop with LYN ARCHER car in the window, some sort of
open wheeler green in colour ,I did not have time to stop an check it out.


HAPPY NEW YEAR ..........ALL TNFeeerrrrrssssssss.

[Ray Bell]

Originally posted by Karen Hyland
According to Marcos' Website , he was born in Launceston, Tasmania on 1st September 1976.

His mother must have come back from England for the birth, I was fairly sure Ross was still in England then... but I could be wrong, of course...

He's exactly a year younger than my daughter...

Lyn Archer's car? That would surely be his Elfin?

[Falcadore]

Originally posted by Barry Lake
Merle Oberon. I saw a very detailed documentary on her just recently, for which they had tried very hard to trace her real background, with no real conclusion.

I don't know much about warships, but maybe a modern battleship needs speed and manoeuvrability more than size.

Perhaps we had better steer this thread around to Tasmanian race circuits and racing drivers.

Anyone care to rattle off a list of Tasmanian race circuits and hillclimbs, plus some Tasmanian drivers of note?

Barry:
From VESRIX' list, so thus is V8Supercar only

Marcos Ambrose
Kerry Baily
Stephen Bell (not to be confused with the Stephen Bell of Sprintcar fame)
John Bowe
Tim Briggs
Greg Crick
Dean Crosswell
John Goss
Ray Hislop
Roger Hurd
Owen Kelly
David 'Skippy' Parsons
Paul Stokell
Alan 'Scotty' Taylor
Jason Wylie

[Triton]

I was holidaying in Tassie in Dec 2001. Rented a Mitsubishi Magna from Avis and went touring.. I love the drive from Queenstown to Hamilton.. winding and isolated. although tiring, it was fun trying to take these roads as smoothly as possible.

[Falcadore]

Triton,
Did that road in '98, only my rental was a '87 Pintara wagon. Not exactly a wonderful handler.

[jhartnack]

Off the subject a bit but what sort of F1 TV coverage can we expect in Tassie with Southern Cross broad casting it. (asuming channel 10 get the rights) A bit of a worry I think.

[Ray Bell]

Well, the Crick brothers certainly were an oversight...

But is Scotty Taylor really from the Apple Isle? I thought he came from Albury...

A lot on that list aren't really 'of note' of course.

[Barry Lake]

Crick brothers?

Who is the other one?

[Ray Bell]

Originally posted.....
Crick brothers?

Who is the other one?

I distinctly remember a conversation with someone at Lakeside who was comparing the two... there must have been two?

I confess to having only seen Greg ever race twice or so, and then in trucks.

Or is my memory starting to fail me? It's all an era when I never went to race meetings, of course.

[Catalina Park]

Rodney Crick is the truck racer and sometime touring car driver and he comes from Camden NSW

[Falcadore]

The truck racing Crick is the unrelated Rodney Crick (Captain Kangaroo according to the Trucks series commentator) who bases out of New South Wales.

Greg Crick first came to national attention driving the last Elfin (the Honda Prelude-Chev Sports Sedan) to the reborn 1991 national title, before winning the first two Targa Tasmanias and moving into the privateers class of V8Supercar. He'd also had a Bathurst top ten finish co-driving the Beaurepairs Skyline.

Skippy Parsons won Bathurst. Kerry Baily is a five times Sports Sedan Champion. Roger Hurd is a three times national improved production car champion, Paul Stokell is a three times Gold Star winner. Most of the others were up and comers at some point who ran out of dollars.

[Ray Bell]

So that's the connection... truck racing... sorry everyone.

Kerry Baily five times SS Champ? You mean State or National? He must be nearly in his sixties now!

Like I listed before, there have been some great champion drivers out of Tassie... probably Gavin and John Youl were at the head of the list, while Johns Bowe and McCormack were well up... Bowe possibly reaching the top at times, and Goss was always right amongst the leaders.

Best tin top driver out of Tasmania, though, irrespective of era, was Wayne Mahnken.

[Falcadore]

Ray:
From my still under construction profiles.....

Name: Kerry Baily
Nationality Australia
State: Tasmania
Born: 14/04/1954
Age: 48

Career History 1992 Australian Sports Sedan Champion
1993 Australian Sports Sedan Champion
1997 Australian Sports Sedan Champion
2000 Australian Sports Sedan Champion
2001 Australian Sports Sedan Champion

Year by Year
1986 16th Bathurst 1000 (Holden Commodore VK SSGroupA)
1987 22nd Bathurst 1000 (Holden Commodore VK SSGroupA)
1988 13th Bathurst 1000 (Holden Commodore TWR VL SSGroupA)
1992 1st Australian Sports Sedan Championship (Toyota Supra-Chevrolet)
1993 1st Australian Sports Sedan Championship (Toyota Supra-Chevrolet)
1996 12th Bathurst 1000 (Ford Falcon EF)
1997 1st Australian Sports Sedan Championship (Toyota Supra-Chevrolet)
2000 1st Australian Sports Sedan Championship (Nissan 300ZX-Chevrolet)
2001 1st Australian Sports Sedan Championship (Nissan 300ZX-Chevrolet)

[mickj]

David "Truckie" Parson was born in Tassie.

Robin Bessant. Gene Cook. Robin Pare. Johnny Walker, who once owned the ex Niel Allen Elfin me5.


Have we missed anyone??

[Falcadore]

Originally posted by mickj
David "Truckie" Parson was born in Tassie.

Robin Bessant. Gene Cook. Robin Pare. Johnny Walker, who once owned the ex Niel Allen Elfin me5.


Have we missed anyone??

I think Andrew Miedecke was born in the Macquire Harbour regio of Tassie before moving, strangely to the Port Macquire region of NSW.

Skippy's dad Graham Parsons.

[eldougo]

As i have mentioned i have just came back from TAS .The trip from
Zeehan to Hobart took 3.5 hours in a renta MAGNA V6,what a great
road the wife an kid where hanging no through the twisty bits.

[Ray Bell]

Yes, as I believe I mentioned early on...

These roads bred some mighty good drivers. But a lot of those being mentioned aren't really among the 'notable' ones Barry asked for.

At least nobody's mentioned Kerry Cox...

[Falcadore]

Originally posted by Barry Lake
Merle Oberon. I saw a very detailed documentary on her just recently, for which they had tried very hard to trace her real background, with no real conclusion.

I don't know much about warships, but maybe a modern battleship needs speed and manoeuvrability more than size.

Perhaps we had better steer this thread around to Tasmanian race circuits and racing drivers.

Anyone care to rattle off a list of Tasmanian race circuits and hillclimbs, plus some Tasmanian drivers of note?

At the risk of regurgitating an old arguement.....

There is no such thing as a modern Battleship, the class of vessel has become obselete. In a missle environment the concept of ships firing guns at each other is no longer relevant to modern naval warfare. Today the only role for the surviving Battleships is as an artilery platform, and while they are excellent beyond measure in such a role the target needs to be in range of a sufficiently large body of water that can hold the New Jersey or the Missouri. They're main modern utility would supporting a beachead.

The New Jersey and its surviving WW2 vintage sisters the Iowa, the Missouri and the Wisconsin have been decomissioned. Three of the four now serve as museuems in respectively Philadelphia, Pearl Harbour and Norfolk, while the Iowa was abandoned in a bay near San Francisco. They were the last four Battleships the US Navy built, a fifth Iowa class vessel, the Kentucky was never commissioned. They were probably the last Battleships ever built, unless the British of the French built some.

I actually read over a potted history of 20th century US Navy battleships while reasearching that little piece and found the tale quite sad. Six were sunk in Pearl Harbour, although three were refloated and returned to the war, four more ended their days as targets in nuclear weapons testing at Bikini Atholl. Of the rest all were scrapped and turned into razor blades. The Iowa class vessels have ended their days comparitively well. Still I suppose it's hard to find uses for 20,000 tonne hunks of floating grey metal.


and Ray... of the unnotables, Paul Stokell is still adding to his total with a Sandown 500 recently added to his shelves.

[Postnoff]

Originally posted by stuartbrs
In Nigel Roebucks latest online section in Autosport he talks about the Tasman series briefly.

Anybody could post this article here cause it's not on the site archive anymore but that one an item of my great interest.