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#101 Geza Sury

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Posted 30 December 2003 - 20:03

Thanks a lot Guido for the interesting info and especially for the Amati picture :up:

There's a picture of the 1986 Donington test on Emanuele Pirro's website. Click here to view it. I have this picture in a somewhat bigger size, if someone's interested, I would post it here.

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#102 VAR1016

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Posted 30 December 2003 - 20:15

Walter Rohrl, a "conductor" of some ability ( :) ) is the official Porsche test driver.

I was going to mention Rudi Uhlenhaut (and just have) apparently the drivers had to watch out when Rudi was around, as he was well able to embarrass them by all accounts.

PdeRL

#103 Kojima_KE007

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Posted 31 December 2003 - 21:46

In late December 1977, Keke Rosberg and Kunimitsu Takahashi tested Kojima KE009 and KE009B at Fuji Speedway. Gianfranco Brancatelli also test Kauhsen Kojima KE00B at Hochengeim on 10th May 1978.

Would these be suitable for this thread?

#104 Milan Fistonic

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Posted 31 December 2003 - 22:56

Originally posted by gdecarli


Le Castellet, December 1986: Zakspeed test

Zakspeed is looking for 1987 drivers and it had a test at Le Castellet with Jonathan Palmer (official driver in 1986), Derek Warwick, Philippe Alliot, Kris Nissen and Volker Weidler. I have no times and pics.
By the way, 1987 driver were Martin Brundle and Christian Danner, both not present at this test.
Ciao,
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The test got a brief mention in Motoring News.

Two Zakspeeds were on hand for Jonathan Palmer, Christian Danner, Piercarlo Ghinzani and Volker Wiedler. The Doc was easily quickest, turning a 1m 04.32s. Danner did a 1m 06.33s and Ghinzani a troubled 1m 12.03s.


Not sure if this has been mention before.

Graham Hill and Andrea de Adamich tested a Surtees TS9 at Goodwood on Monday October 25, 1971.

#105 Milan Fistonic

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Posted 01 January 2004 - 02:39

Originally posted by gdecarli
While looking for something else I found as follows (all info from Autosprint 51/1986 page 24):[list][*]Donington, December 8th-12th 1986: Benetton test

Four drivers tested Benetton BMW at Donington. Set-up was made by official driver Teo Fabi, then young drivers shared the same car. A fifth driver, Roberto Ravaglia, was invited, but he had to test his BMW M3 at Misano, so he couldn't be at Donington.

- Teo Fabi 1'23"04 on Monday 8th (1'21"7 with a different car)
- Emanuele Pirro: nearly the same time (no more info)
- Andy Wallace 1'23"8
- David Hunt 1'24"8
- Giovanna Amati 1'33" (but she was the only one to drive only on wet track - 10 laps)

Ciao,
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Thses are the times reported in Motoring News.

Monday

Teo Fabi - 1m 21.8s - 10 laps
Emanuele Pirro - 1m 23.38s - 15 laps
Giovanna Amati - 1m 49.5s - 26 laps
Andy Wallace - 1m 23.85s - 18 laps

Wednesday

Andy Wallace - 1m 23.8
Emanuele Pirro - 1m 22.34s
Dave Hunt - 1m 24.8s - 25 laps
Otto Rensing - 1m 26.2s - 29 laps

#106 Théodore33

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Posted 02 January 2004 - 17:47

Originally posted by Théodore33
Question about Perry Mc CARTHY

In my uncle archives, I have found that :

- In 1992 : "Briatore looked for a driver who possessed a "super licence". So, Perry have the opportunity to drive the Benetton at Spa for a one shot test"

- In 1993: Mc Carthy drove a Williams-Renault at Silverstone during January because of holidays of offcial drivers.

Anyone has info, eventualy pictures, of these tests ?

Thanks


Hy,

f1rejects has just published two very interesting pics.

- Perry Mc Carthy testing the Footwork/Arrows in 1991 : http://f1rejects.cro...lverstone-2.jpg
- Perry Mc Carthy testing a Benetton in 1993 according to f1rejects... but according to my information and the #19 on the car I am sure that Perry Mc Carthy tested this Benetton in 1992 : http://f1rejects.cro...silverstone.jpg

God job :wave:

#107 gdecarli

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Posted 07 January 2004 - 22:02

Josele Garza first F.1 drive was in 1987 on a Brabham in Mexico. I have no more info or photos avilable now.

His second F.1 drive was on a Minardi on Friday, September 2nd 1988 at Imola:

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His best time was 1'42"408, while Martini (Minardi official driver at that time ) best time was 1'37"465 on the same day and 1'34"868 the following day.
Best time of this test was scored by Nelson Piquet (Lotus 100T Honda) 1'30"900.

Garza was so slow because he had many problem due to small cockpit (he is more than 180 cm tall, while Martini was quite small), but Minardi was going to take him as 1989 test driver.

Ciao,
Guido

(From Autosprint 36/1988 page 11-13)

#108 rolando

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Posted 07 January 2004 - 22:30

By gdecarli

Josele Garza first F.1 drive was in 1987 on a Brabham in Mexico. I have no more info or photos avilable now.



I guess he was invited by Bernie Ecclestone to try the Brabham, just like Rebaque in 1986.
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By the way, any info about Carlos Guerrero testing the March in the early 90's?? I think he was the last mexican that seriously tested a Grand Prix car.

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#109 Théodore33

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Posted 09 January 2004 - 11:56

Hy,

According to "Sport auto" (Hors série 1982, p : 23 ), Marlboro organised a test day at Silverstone during the winter 1981 for the winners of the british F3 championship.

The times were the following one :

* Johnathan Palmer - 1'14"6
* Raul Boesel - 1'14"8 (picture f1rejects : http://f1rejects.cro...silverstone.jpg )
* Thierry Tassin - 1'14"9

Does someone possess a picture of Thierry Tassin during this test ?

Thanks

#110 Sc. Serrenissima

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Posted 18 January 2004 - 17:04

I am a fan of the Alfa Roméo 184T .
I think that, in 1984, it was the most esthetic and well painted (green and red) formula one.
So, one question : Patrese (3rd at Monza) and Cheever were the official drivers, but did an another driver drive this car ?

#111 gdecarli

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Posted 18 January 2004 - 17:19

Gaetano Dima (journalist) and Nanni Galli tested Alfa Romeo 184/2 T (modified version introduced at Monza) on September 1984 at Balocco.

Dima - who had already tested Alfa 179C two years before and I think some other F.1 - wrote a test report for Autosprint (# 40/1984, pages 36-40); I don't know the reason why also Galli tested the car.

I dont recall any other driver who drove this car, but of course I could be wrong.

Ciao,
Guido

#112 Kojima_KE007

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Posted 18 January 2004 - 23:30

Some pictures from Keke Rosberg's first ever F1 test with Kojima Engineering at Fuji Speedway which took place in late December 1977.

Keke Rosberg's first F1 test with Kojima Engineering

#113 RX-7

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Posted 18 January 2004 - 23:49

Originally posted by Geza Sury

Great list, congratulations to Dan :up: After reading the list, some question popped into my head:

Wasn't Martin Donnelly the official test driver of Arrows in 1989?
Wasn't Yannick Dalmas the second test driver alongside Alliot at McLaren in 1994?
Wasn't David Coulthard on of the offcial test drivers of Williams as early as 1993?

If anyone has pictures of any of the drivers during testing please post them in the Pictures of test drivers thread!



D.C. was the test driver and got the full ride after Senna was killed.

Also, I am reminded of Gil de Ferran and D.C. testing for Paul Stewart Racing,but thats F3.

#114 Sc. Serrenissima

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Posted 19 January 2004 - 16:11

Originally posted by gdecarli
Gaetano Dima (journalist) and Nanni Galli tested Alfa Romeo 184/2 T (modified version introduced at Monza) on September 1984 at Balocco.

Dima - who had already tested Alfa 179C two years before and I think some other F.1 - wrote a test report for Autosprint (# 40/1984, pages 36-40); I don't know the reason why also Galli tested the car.

I dont recall any other driver who drove this car, but of course I could be wrong.

Ciao,
Guido


Thank you Guido.

One more question : have you heard about some drivers who have almost drove this 184T in 1984 ?

#115 gdecarli

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Posted 20 January 2004 - 15:36

Originally posted by Sc. Serrenissima
One more question : have you heard about some drivers who have almost drove this 184T in 1984 ?

I don't know, now I don't recall any other test driver but I could be wrong.
Besides, I miss some 1984 Autosprint, so it's possible that somebody else made some test.

Ciao,
Guido

#116 gdecarli

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Posted 26 January 2004 - 01:34

ESTORIL F.1 TEST - 22 to 27 OCTOBER 1984

(from Autosprint 44/1984 pages 12)
Test at Estoril, from Monday to Saturday just after Portugal GP, the last in 1984 season. Brabham tested for the first time Pirelli tyres.
During Portugal GP (on prevuious day) pole position was scored by Piquet 1'21"703, fastest lap by Niki Lauda 1'22"996.
  • Ayrton Senna (Toleman Hart) 1'21"60 (new track record)
  • Nelson Piquet (Brabham BMW) 1'21"70
  • Teo Fabi (Brabham BMW) 1'24"10
  • Roberto Moreno (Toleman Hart) 1'24"10
  • Manfred Winkelhock (Toleman Hart) 1'24"12
  • Jonathan Palmer (Toleman Hart) 1'25"50
  • Jan Lammers (Toleman Hart) 1'26"20
  • Paolo Barilla (Brabham BMW) 1'28"20
  • Ivan Capelli (Toleman Hart) 1'30"40
Interesting to see Fabi back after his father death (he didn't race Portugal GP) and Winckelhock on Toleman, after having raced Portugal GP on Brabham (he replaced Fabi). Barilla had problems because cockpit was very narrow for him and Capelli made only 9 laps then engine broke.

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Paolo Barilla (Photo from Autosprint 12/1986 pages 34-35)

ESTORIL F.1 TEST - END OF 1985

Paolo Barilla tested Toleman-Hart in 1985 at Estoril. I found this info in a 1986 interview, so I have no more info about this tests (no date, no time...), but I think it was after the last GP. For sure I have more detail on some Autosprint, but now I have no time to look for.

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Paolo Barilla (from Autosprint 12/1986 pages 34-35)

Ciao,
Guido

#117 gdecarli

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Posted 26 January 2004 - 02:29

BRANDS HATCH (short) F.1 TEST - SEPTEMBER 1987

(from Autosprint 38/1987 pages 17-18)

Between Italy and Portugal GP (the first September 6th, the latter September 20th) Williams, Benetton and Lotus made a test on short Brands Hatch circuit.
Great debut for Johnny Herbert!
Mansell and Senna tested new active suspensions.
  • Nigel Mansell (Williams Honda) 35"00
  • Ayrton Senna (Lotus Honda) 36"10
  • Johnny Herbert (Benetton Ford) 36"40
  • Thierry Boutsen (Benetton Ford) 36"80
Ciao,
Guido

#118 gdecarli

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Posted 09 February 2004 - 01:40

According to an article dated January 1971, Howden Ganley and John Miles were BRM tester in 1971. They could have replaced official drivers Pedro Rodriguez and Jo Siffert if they were racing somewhere else.

Ganley first GP was South Africa GP (Kyalami, March 6; DNF) then they were both at Race of Champion (Brands Hatch, March 21: 5. Ganley, 7. Miles).

Ciao,
Guido
(from Autosprint 4/1971 page 6)

#119 Mischa Bijenhof

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Posted 10 February 2004 - 11:29

In 1977, some weeks prior to the British Grand Prix, there was a testsession on Silverstone in which, among others, RAM (with Howden Ganley as their enigineer) and McLaren took part. Piquet was said to be present as well. Does anyone have more info on this particular test? Unfortunately, I do not have the exact date, but it should be somewhere between the 3rd and 14th of july in 1977.

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#120 Arjan de Roos

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Posted 10 February 2004 - 16:19

Some 1978 test drivers:

Ferrrari: Elio de Angelis & Eddie Cheever

Niki Lauda tested the Alfa Alfa that same year.

#121 Théodore33

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Posted 10 February 2004 - 16:49

Originally posted by gdecarli
ESTORIL F.1 TEST - 22 to 27 OCTOBER 1984

(from Autosprint 44/1984 pages 12)
Test at Estoril, from Monday to Saturday just after Portugal GP, the last in 1984 season. Brabham tested for the first time Pirelli tyres.
During Portugal GP (on prevuious day) pole position was scored by Piquet 1'21"703, fastest lap by Niki Lauda 1'22"996.

  • Ayrton Senna (Toleman Hart) 1'21"60 (new track record)
  • Nelson Piquet (Brabham BMW) 1'21"70
  • Teo Fabi (Brabham BMW) 1'24"10
  • Roberto Moreno (Toleman Hart) 1'24"10
  • Manfred Winkelhock (Toleman Hart) 1'24"12
  • Jonathan Palmer (Toleman Hart) 1'25"50
  • Jan Lammers (Toleman Hart) 1'26"20
  • Paolo Barilla (Brabham BMW) 1'28"20
  • Ivan Capelli (Toleman Hart) 1'30"40
Interesting to see Fabi back after his father death (he didn't race Portugal GP) and Winckelhock on Toleman, after having raced Portugal GP on Brabham (he replaced Fabi). Barilla had problems because cockpit was very narrow for him and Capelli made only 9 laps then engine broke.

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Paolo Barilla (Photo from Autosprint 12/1986 pages 34-35)

ESTORIL F.1 TEST - END OF 1985

Paolo Barilla tested Toleman-Hart in 1985 at Estoril. I found this info in a 1986 interview, so I have no more info about this tests (no date, no time...), but I think it was after the last GP. For sure I have more detail on some Autosprint, but now I have no time to look for.

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Paolo Barilla (from Autosprint 12/1986 pages 34-35)

Ciao,
Guido


Excuse me Guido, but I can't succeed in openning the pictures.
Could you send it to me by my e-mail ?

Otherwise, does this test at Estoril was a Toleman drive for 1985 ?
Have got pictures of the drivers who tested the Toleman Hart in 1984 ?

Thanks.

#122 Geza Sury

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Posted 10 February 2004 - 19:03

Originally posted by Théodore33
Excuse me Guido, but I can't succeed in openning the pictures.

Here are the correct links:

http://www.gdecarli......rilla F01.jpg

http://www.gdecarli......rilla F01.jpg

Hope this helps ;)

#123 Théodore33

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Posted 10 February 2004 - 23:09

Originally posted by Geza Sury

Here are the correct links:

http://www.gdecarli......rilla F01.jpg

http://www.gdecarli......rilla F01.jpg

Hope this helps ;)


Thanks a lot :love: :clap:

#124 gdecarli

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Posted 11 February 2004 - 11:32

All pics are on my website and I never rename or cancel them.
I wonder why sometimes they aren't shown... in case, try to copy URL by right-click.

There version of the same pics: usually names are something like

1984 Brabham Barilla A01.jpg (A = Anteprima, thumbnail in Italian)
1984 Brabham Barilla F01.jpg (F = foto, photo in Italian)

Of course, download the 'F' one...

Ciao,
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#125 Racer.Demon

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Posted 11 February 2004 - 12:09

Guido, there's a double http:// in the link in your original post - that's why they don't load by clicking on the thumbnail...

Interesting pictures, BTW! :up:

#126 gdecarli

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Posted 11 February 2004 - 13:19

Corrected!

Besides, I linked small pics and not the big one. I think I was so asleep that I don't notice those problems! (I posted at 2.30 AM!) :yawn: :yawn: :yawn:

I fixed original message, but I repost also here corrected thumbnails and links:

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Paolo Barilla (Brabham) - October 1984 (Photo from Autosprint 12/1986 pages 34-35)

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Paolo Barilla (Toleman) - end of 1985 (from Autosprint 12/1986 pages 34-35)

Thanks!

Ciao,
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#127 King Nigel

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Posted 11 February 2004 - 13:52

:clap: I love that topic !

#128 gdecarli

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Posted 23 February 2004 - 09:59

Silverstone - June 25th 1981

First test after some months (previous one was in October 1980, IIRC) for Brabham BT49 BMW. There were two drivers: Nelson Piquet and Marc Surer . They both made few laps and they had lots of problems; I have no more info, timing or pics about Surer.

The same day, Surer made his debut in his new team, Thedore.

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(from Autosprint 27/1981 page 6)

#129 gdecarli

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Posted 25 February 2004 - 09:36

Irvine99, I think that we are talking about two different tests. My best times (from Autosprint 27/1981 page 6) are as following:

Silverstone - June 25th 1981
  • Nelson Piquet (Brabham BT49C Ford) 1'12"56
  • Didier Pironi (Ferrari 126 CK Turbo) 1'13"97
  • John Watson (McLaren MP4 Ford) 1'14"13
  • Alan Jones (Williams FW07 Ford) 1'14"24
  • Riccardo Patrese (Arrows Ford) 1'15"60
  • Nigel Mansell (Lotus 87 Ford) 1'16"74
  • Nigel Mansell (Lotus 88 Ford) 1'16"81
  • Marc Surer (Thedore Ford) 1'17"12
  • Derek Daly (March 811 Ford) 1'17"48
  • Slim Borgudd (ATS Ford) 1'17"86
  • Brian Henton (Toleman Hart Turbo) 1'17"90
  • Nelson Piquet (Brabham BT49 BMW Turbo) 1'26"22
    Marc Surer (Brabham BT49 BMW Turbo) ?
Piquet was very slow with BMW turbo, and this was confirmed also in the article. Note that Mansell as well tested two cars, but - even if times are quite the same - the old 87 was still much better the new 88. At that time, 88 debut was scheduled for Great Britain GP at Silverston, few weeks later.
Gilles Villeneuve (Ferrari) should have tested as well, but he arrived too late due to a airplane strike and he had to watch test from the boxes.

Ciao,
Guido

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Posted 25 February 2004 - 15:08

Originally posted by gdecarli
Note that Mansell as well tested two cars, but - even if times are quite the same - the old 87 was still much better the new 88. At that time, 88 debut was scheduled for Great Britain GP at Silverston, few weeks later.


The Lotus 87 wasn't older than the 88 I think. The 87 and 88 Loti were developped almost simultaniously after the legal trouble with the Lotus 86.
The Lotus 88 had had it's debut at the first GP of the season at Long Beach in march, but was disqualified before the start of the race. The only T-cars Lotus had were old 81's. They continued to use the Lotus 81 untill the debut of the Lotus 87 at Monaco, three months later.
BTW The car that was in fact scheduled to have it's debut at Silverstone was the rivised version of the Lotus 88, known as 88B.

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Posted 25 February 2004 - 17:09

Of course you are right. I was writing in a hurry, so I consider 87 "older" because at that time it was racing yet, while 88B was still under developing...

Ciao,
Guido

#132 gdecarli

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Posted 01 March 2004 - 00:01

1981 calendar was (in early summer only) :
  • Spain GP, June 21
  • France GP, July 5th
  • Great Britain GP, July 18th
If the "next GP" is Great Britain, maybe your test was between France and Great Britain GP...

Ciao,
Guido

#133 gdecarli

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Posted 10 March 2004 - 19:05

Jari Nurminen tested Arrows A8 at Donington at end of 1986 season. More info and a pic on Pics Request: Jari Nurminen testing Arrows and Arrows A9 - 1986 threads.

Ciao,
Guido

#134 Théodore33

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Posted 27 March 2004 - 12:59

Hy,

According to "AutoHedbo" #253, from febrary 1981, Téo Fabi made a lot of tests on board the March (RAM) 811 during the winter 81. This car was painted in orange. I am quite sure that, some time ago, I have found a picutre of this orange 811 car drove by Téo on the web. But I can't find it anymore on my archive. Does anyone can help me ?

Thanks

#135 Théodore33

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Posted 27 March 2004 - 18:58

Originally posted by irvine99
Sorry, i have only two pictures :lol:

Grand Prix International - issue no. 27 - December 1981

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irvine99 :wave:


Thank you very much irvine99.

#136 gdecarli

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Posted 27 March 2004 - 22:01

OK; this post is not exactly about test driver, but about test track! However, I think it could be more interesting here rather than in a new thread.

At the beginning of the week of 1981 San Marino GP (so probably Monday April 27th or Tuesday April 28th) a test was performed at Fiorano by Ferrari (Gilles Villeneuve and Didier Pironi) and Tyrrell (Eddie Cheever and Michele Alboreto).

At that time, I think it was not so common to see cars different from Ferrari at Fiorano...

Ciao,
Guido

(Source: Autosprint 19/1981 page 15)

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Posted 04 April 2004 - 01:32

Shall we add Scott Dixon?
Last Friday March 26th 2004 at Paul Ricard he drove a F.1 (Williams FW26) for the first time.

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(from [url="http://f1.racing-live.com/en/index.html?<a%20href="http://f1.racing-live.com/en/headlines/news/detail/040318185751.shtml"%20target="_blank">http://f1.racing-liv...85751.shtml</a>"]F1live.com[/url])

I found times scored on that day, but on 3 different sources I found 3 different times:

  • Jenson Button (BAR) 1'10"887
  • Ralf Schumacher (Williams) 1'11"300
  • Anthony Davidson (BAR) 1'11"623
  • Scott Dixon (Williams) 1'11"753
  • Ryan Briscoe (Toyota) 1'12"200
  • Alex Wurz (McLaren) 1'12"256
  • Pedro de la Rosa (McLaren) 1'12"533
  • Frank Montagny (Renault) 1'12"733
  • Ricardo Zonta (Toyota) 1'13"028
    (from Scott Dixon's official website)
  • Jenson Button (BAR), 1'10"846, 80 laps
  • Ralf Schumacher (Williams), 1'11"330, 144 laps
  • Anthony Davidson (BAR), 1'11"628, 48 laps
  • Scott Dixon (Williams), 1'11"753, 59 laps
  • Alex Wurz (McLaren), 1'12"256, 22 laps
  • Ricardo Zonta (Toyota), 1'12"427, 57 laps
  • Franck Montagny (Renault), 1'12"524, 141 laps
  • Pedro de la Rosa (McLaren), 1'12"638, 96 laps
    (from Radio-Canada.ca)
  • Jenson Button (BAR), 1'10"887, 80 laps
  • Ralf Schumacher (Williams), 1'11"003, 134 laps
  • Anthony Davidson (BAR), 1'11"623, 19 laps
  • Scott Dixon (Williams), 1'11"753, 59 laps
  • Pedro de la Rosa (McLaren), 1'12"000, 96 laps
  • Ryan Briscoe (Toyota) 1'12"002, 29 laps
  • Ricardo Zonta (Toyota), 1'12"004, 57 laps
  • Alex Wurz (McLaren), 1'12"256, 22 laps
  • Franck Montagny (Renault), 1'12"733, 141 laps
    (from Autosprint 13/2004 page 31) - I edited this list as it wasn't correctly sorted
Ciao,
Guido

#138 Geza Sury

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Posted 05 April 2004 - 09:12

Originally posted by irvine99
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Excellent pictures :up: Where was this test session held?

#139 ghinzani

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Posted 05 April 2004 - 09:13

Originally posted by irvine99
Sorry, i have only two pictures :lol:

Grand Prix International - issue no. 27 - December 1981

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irvine99 :wave:


I think the March is painted Orange because in the off season of 81 there was a battle on to secure the sponsorship of Beta and Ceramicha Imola (was it?) who eventually stayed at Arrows. I beleive there had been a similar circus the year before when Patrese was part of the deal - it was thought he might go to March or Toleman but instead he stayed at Arrows. Sponsors shopping for the best deal perhaps?

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#140 ghinzani

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Posted 05 April 2004 - 09:26

Originally posted by Geza Sury

Excellent pictures :up: Where was this test session held?


Isnt that Goodwood?

#141 gdecarli

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Posted 13 April 2004 - 01:00

New photos; click to enlarge:
  • Jean Pierre Jassaud (Renault) - Renault test driver, 1980? No more info.

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    (source: Autosprint 4/1989, page 33)

  • Jean Pierre Jarier (Williams) - Paul Ricard, end of 1981. No more info.

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    (source: Autosprint 2/1982, page 34)

  • Thierry Boutsen (Brabham) - Paul Ricard, December 1981. Some young drivers tested Brabham, but I don't know who were other drivers and when test was performed.

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    (source: Autosprint 4/1982, page 22)

  • Mike Thackwell (Williams FW08?) - I don't recall when Thackwell was Williams tester: it it a FW08 - 1983?

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    (source: Autosprint 4/1989, page 30)

  • Johnny Dumfries (Ferrari 156/85) - Ferrari test driver in 1985. I have no more info about this photo.

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    (source: Autosprint 4/1989, page 30)

  • Paolo Barilla (Toleman TG185?) - Autosprint says that Barilla was Benetton test driver in 1987, but this car seems me Toleman TG185. Maybe a test with an old car? I should check better!

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    (source: Autosprint 4/1989, page 30)

  • Roberto Moreno (Ferrari) - Ferrari test driver in 1988. I have no more info about this photo. Originally I described this car as a Ferrari 639, but as Man make me notice, this is not. More details on this car on Ferrarii 639 thread

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    (source: Autosprint 4/1989, page 30)

  • Martin Donnelly (Lotus 101) - test somewhere in England, March 1989, just before Brazil GP
    At that time Donnelly was Lotus test driver.

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    (source: Autosprint 11/1989, pages 18-19)

  • Jackie Stewart (Williams Renault FW12C) - Paul Ricard, May 1989, just before Monaco GP.
    Stewart made a test for English TV: he drove for 25 laps on 3800 m circuit, without pushing. His best time was 1'14"02. At that time, record with qualifying tyres was set by Patrese, 1'06"56. I have no photos of this test.
    (source: Autosprint 18/1989, pages 24)
  • Nicola Larini (Ferrari 639 and 640) - Fiorano, May 17th-19th, 1989.
    After Berger's crash at Imola, Ferrari decided to go to Monaco with one car only. Then Fiorio changed his mind and he decided to call Larini for some tests, in order to replace Berger at Mexico GP if he wasn't able to race. Tests were quite good, but Berger was able to drive, so Larini went back on his Osella.
    In three days he made 210 laps at Fiorano. He drove both Ferrari 639 and Ferrari 640 (a brief test for setting up for Mexico) :
    Wed May 17th  Thu May 18th  Fri May 19th
    
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    Nicola Larini   Ferrari 639   1'10"53 (60)  1'10"23 (30)  1'07"13 (95)
    
    Nicola Larini   Ferrari 640	   -			 ?   ( 6)  1'07"59 (16)
    Please note that Lehto was already Ferrari tester, but he was still engaged for some test on Ferrari 639 within end of May, so in the same period of GPs and Ferrari didn't want to change its testing calendar.

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    (source: Autosprint 21/1989, pages 10-11)
  • Enrico Bertaggia (Osella FA1M) - Fiorano, May 1989.
    If Larini had to move to Ferrari, he needed to be replaced on his Osella, so Bertaggia was called as well at Fiorano for a test. I don't know his best time and if he drove in the same days of Larini, or only in one of them

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    (source: Autosprint 21/1989, page 12)

  • Danielsson (Rial Arc 02 Cosworth) - Hockenheim, July 20th 1989
    General test before Germany GP, with nearly all teams and drivers. Rial went to Hockenheim with official drivers Christian Danner (1'50"10 on Friday 21st) and Volker Weidler (1'52"00 on Thurdsay 20th); for the first time Danielsson drove a Rial; his best time was 1'54"00. Best time were scored on Thurday by Mansell (1'44"67) and on Friday by Senna (1'43"39).

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    (source: Autosprint 30/1989, pages 18-21)

  • JJ Lehto (Ferrari) - Estoril, October 4th 1989
    Berger's best time (on previous day) was 1'16"99; Lehto's was 1'18"84.

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    (source: Autosprint 41/1989, page 22)

  • Gianni Morbidelli (Ferrari 640) - Fiorano, November 1989
    First test by new Ferrari test driver: his best time was 1'04"1, only 0"2 slower than record with race tyres, scored by Lehto.

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    (source: Autosprint 47/1989, page 11)
Ciao,
Guido

#142 gdecarli

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Posted 13 April 2004 - 01:10

List of test drivers
Following list of test driver was issued by Autosprint (#4/1989, page 31) at beginning of 1989:
  • Ferrari
    Jonathan Williams
    Mike Parkes
    Arturo Merzario
    Tino Brambilla
    Derek Bell
    Elio De Angelis
    Eddie Cheever
    Johnny Dumfries
    Roberto Moreno
  • Williams
    Geoff Lees
    Mike Thakwell
    Derek Daly
    Satoru Nakajima
    Jean Louis Schlesser
    Martin Brundle
  • McLaren
    Derek Bell
    Emanuele Pirro
  • Lotus
    Dave Walker
    John Miles
    Tony Trimmer
    Geoff Lees
    Brian Henton
    Jim Crawford
    Bob Evans
    Roberto Moreno
    Dave Scott
    Nigel Mansell
    Martin Donnelly
  • Alfa Romeo
    Giorgio Francia
  • Benetton
    Paolo Barilla
    Johnny Dumfries
  • Renault
    Jean Pierre Jassaud
    Philippe Streiff
  • AGS
    Roberto Moreno
Ciao,
Guido

#143 Geza Sury

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Posted 13 April 2004 - 06:03

Amazing pictures, Guido, I'm speechless :drunk: Thanks a lot!

#144 Théodore33

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Posted 13 April 2004 - 11:45

Great pics Guido :clap: :clap: :clap: :love:

#145 man

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Posted 13 April 2004 - 14:12

WOW!

The Moreno picture is very interesting because I have NEVER seen that car before. It certainly isn't the 639. It is the 1988 car (F1-87/88C) with a modified engine cover, under which I assume is a V12 engine instead of a V6 turbo. Anybody have more details of that particular car? Was it running with a semi-auto 'box? What was it called?

#146 gdecarli

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Posted 13 April 2004 - 14:21

Man, you're right. I scan & posted in a hurry and I was very tired, so I didn't noticed it.
This photo was taken from an article dated January 1989 about test drivers in general, so there were some photos, but no details. Maybe next weekend I will be able to find an Autosprint dated 1988 with the same (or more) photo and with more details.

Ciao,
Guido

PS: as this fact is quite important, I change also original post, in order to avoit any eventual future misunderstanding

#147 ghinzani

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Posted 13 April 2004 - 16:01

Anyone ever heard of a french test track call something like Karland? I vaguely remember Arnoux testing the Martini there prior to 78 Monaco GP. I think it was an alternative twisty track to the oft used Croix en Turnois.

#148 Geza Sury

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Posted 13 April 2004 - 16:44

Originally posted by gdecarli
Mike Thackwell (Williams FW08?) - I don't recall when Thackwell was Williams tester: it it a FW08 - 1983?

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Yes, I think this is the 1983 Williams FW08C. I'm not sure about the track, though. Is it Donington perhaps?

#149 Geza Sury

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Posted 13 April 2004 - 17:07

Originally posted by irvine99
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I guess this is Francia's first attempt in Grand Prix Racing. He tried to qualify the Brabham BT45-Alfa Romeo for the Italian GP in 1977. The stating number was #21.

Originally posted by irvine99
It's Goodwood. Teo Fabi drove 1100 kms.

Thanks :up:

#150 D-Type

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Posted 13 April 2004 - 17:14

Originally posted by ghinzani


Isn't that Goodwood?


Originally posted by irvine99

It's Goodwood. Teo Fabi drove 1100 kms.


Are you sure? The left hander in the background looks too sharp to be Goodwood. (If we're all talking about the orange March)