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[DoS]

Some crazy Swedish guys try to get pole position to hell in the streets of Stockholm. In the first film they use a Porsche 911. In the second a Toyota Supra and Ford Escort Cosworth both tuned to about 450 bhp (you have to hear the Toyotas and Cosies Turbo pressure release valves, oh and that Supra custom pipe puking flames all the time) when speeds reach the 300 Km/h range and real COPS try to get them. The third film, is also very good, the car is a Honda NSX and this time many many police cars are after it...
You can find more info: here
i have these films on DivX and they are so good that i am considering to buy the DVDs from their site. I know they exist somewhere on the net in DivX ;)

[The Kanisteri]

Whole team should place in jail.
City area is not for racing,

[Ghostrider]

I agree with Kanisteri.

Sure those movies in a way are impressive, but I would not want to support them by buying any of those tapes. Sooner or later those getaways will seriously injure or kill someone innocent and that will be tragic. I hope they stop doing those stupid races or that the police get them. Before it is too late.

[DoS]

All of the action took place at dawn. There were very few cars on the road and the drivers always reduced speed a lot when the encountered other cars. I know i am going to get blasted for saying this but to my eyes, the safety precautions they took were pretty good. I am driving for years in a town with some of the busiest streets in Europe, Athens. IMHO a driver who knows his **** (like a pro rally driver with experience in street racing) going fast through the big city streets is much less of a danger for others than the average Joe who just got his new 1.6-2.0 cc car and has a minor right foot ich.
I live very close to the start of the biggest highway in Greece (Athens to Salonica) and i go through it everyday. This road is seriously dangerous, cause its a fast 4-5 lane highway with no traffic lights at all but really bad road surface. Believe me, i have seen things you cannot even imagine horrible things...and 99% of the accidents i see almost every day involve drivers with poor skills that where going a bit faster than normal, like 120-130 km/h.
Am i more dangerous than them if at 4:00 am (when you can travel for 30 Kms and come against only 10 cars) i hit this road with my car at 200 Km/h ? Even if i have done it a million times and know every single bump on the road and i KNOW VERY WELL that my car is well below its limits ?(which i have many times explored in various tracks and empty roads). Of course I would never do anything like that when there is traffic in the road some other time of the day. And i have never caused an accident, although i know many many incidents of serious accidents caused by poor drivers going slow, average drivers going a bit faster or good drivers that had had a couple...
Again, in my eyes what they did was pretty safe

[The Kanisteri]

Dos,
There's no curfew in Sweden and everyone has right to be on move in city - even around 4:00 am. So early lunatic activity is very lame excuse for doing that.

If they want to do stupid things like this they should ask permission from authorities of Stockholm.
If they will get permission some crossroads would possibly close for that event. For safety of course.

Racing should be done on closed track, not on public streets.

[Ghostrider]

Yes, and another thing, what the h*** are Norwegian guys doing in Stockholm? Race in Oslo for God's sake!

On a more serious note, as Kanisteri says, what if some night walker wanders out in the street and gets smashed? Then it is to late to have stopped this crazy stunts.

[DoS]

Originally posted by The Kanisteri
Dos,
There's no curfew in Sweden and everyone has right to be on move in city - even around 4:00 am. So early lunatic activity is very lame excuse for doing that.

Same here, if you have a look at the movie u ll see what i mean. They were mainly using the highways (and only then they were going fast)

Originally posted by The Kanisteri
If they want to do stupid things like this they should ask permission from authorities of Stockholm.
If they will get permission some crossroads would possibly close for that event. For safety of course.

Again u ll have to see the film.

Originally posted by The Kanisteri
Racing should be done on closed track, not on public streets.

I fully agree here. But they weren't racing, they were just going fast. I would not even want to consider two pro drivers with 500 bhp cars racing on the streets. Now that would be really STUPID.

[The Kanisteri]

I have seen that Porsche 911 clip. That was enough to create my opinion about these morons.

[Romulus]

Originally posted by DoS


Some crazy Norwegian guys try to get pole position to hell in the streets of Stockholm. [/B]

Actually they are Swedish and Stockholm is the capital of Sweden. Fun thing about the first movie is that it ends on the same island where I live.

However if u wan't to see something ourageous that makes Getaway is Stokohlm look like Kart you should try to get your hands on "Ghostrider the final ride".
It's the same idea, illegal street racing, but on a Motorcyckel. This guy does over 300 km/h in traffic.

It's also shot in Stockhom.

[LuckyStrike1]

Originally posted by DoS
[B]All of the action took place at dawn. There were very few cars on the road and the drivers always reduced speed a lot when the encountered other cars. I know i am going to get blasted for saying this but to my eyes, the safety precautions they took were pretty good. I am driving for years in a town with some of the busiest streets in Europe, Athens. IMHO a driver who knows his **** (like a pro rally driver with experience in street racing) going fast through the big city streets is much less of a danger for others than the average Joe who just got his new 1.6-2.0 cc car and has a minor right foot ich.

And doesn't Athens have a high number of road kills and traffic accidents? No driver, not even SChumacher, can at speeds like these in a city have enough time to react when a little child runs out from behind a parked car at a side to catch a ball, run over the street to a friend or anything .... I think it's irresponsible of these drivers, I thought it was outrageous when I saw the movies and I think they should be put away in jail with their drivers licenses taken away forever. They are clearly not mature enough to be trusted with a license for driving on public roads. If you want to drive like this, I have only one word: "Racetracks". Racetracks are built for a purpose.

I live very close to the start of the biggest highway in Greece (Athens to Salonica) and i go through it everyday. This road is seriously dangerous, cause its a fast 4-5 lane highway with no traffic lights at all but really bad road surface. Believe me, i have seen things you cannot even imagine horrible things...and 99% of the accidents i see almost every day involve drivers with poor skills that where going a bit faster than normal, like 120-130 km/h.
Am i more dangerous than them if at 4:00 am (when you can travel for 30 Kms and come against only 10 cars) i hit this road with my car at 200 Km/h ? Even if i have done it a million times and know every single bump on the road and i KNOW VERY WELL that my car is well below its limits ?(which i have many times explored in various tracks and empty roads). Of course I would never do anything like that when there is traffic in the road some other time of the day. And i have never caused an accident, although i know many many incidents of serious accidents caused by poor drivers going slow, average drivers going a bit faster or good drivers that had had a couple...
Again, in my eyes what they did was pretty safe

The roads weren't closed with polices making sure no one was out. The roads were open and public ... I wouldn't wanna be out for a walk or come driving inte the car when these two morons come blasting past me like this. What do they care if I have to avoid them or crash my car to avoid being hit by them? Not much.

Speeding is one thing ... this is a completely different thing that should be condemned. And the highway they were reaching 300 km/h on ... well that one goes from the city out to the suburbs .. it's not really a deserted highway out in the country, but a highway in the middle of the swedish capital.

[DoS]

Originally posted by Romulus


Actually they are Swedish and Stockholm is the capital of Sweden. Fun thing about the first movie is that it ends on the same island where I live.

Ooops, yeah that was what i meant.

Originally posted by Romulus
However if u wan't to see something ourageous that makes Getaway is Stokohlm look like Kart you should try to get your hands on "Ghostrider the final ride".
It's the same idea, illegal street racing, but on a Motorcyckel. This guy does over 300 km/h in traffic.
It's also shot in Stockhom.

Thanx for the tip ;)

[The Kanisteri]

End of last summer one chief executive bloke of extreme video firm runned over schoolgirl on crosswalk with his snobby sportcar in southern Finland. He runned throught red lights with excessive speed. Kid died instantly.

To police he couldn't explain why he drove so fast and throught red lights but police found excactly those "Getaway in Stockholm"-films from his car...

[DoS]

Originally posted by LuckyStrike1


And doesn't Athens have a high number of road kills and traffic accidents? No driver, not even SChumacher, can at speeds like these in a city have enough time to react when a little child runs out from behind a parked car at a side to catch a ball, run over the street to a friend or anything .... I think it's irresponsible of these drivers, I thought it was outrageous when I saw the movies and I think they should be put away in jail with their drivers licenses taken away forever. They are clearly not mature enough to be trusted with a license for driving on public roads. If you want to drive like this, I have only one word: "Racetracks". Racetracks are built for a purpose.

huh ?? Did you read my post ? I said Athens has a HUGE number of road kills per year and there are many factors that contribute to that, such as:
1) Horrible roads in general. The roads are badly designed, their surface quality is horrible, i bet we could even use the highways for WRC special stages and they would still manage to be rough on the cars, blind curves with opposite angles, whenever it rains they get full of water and mud patches etc.
2) Bad driver culture. So many drivers out there driving drunk to the bone, mostly young kids whos fault is that ? It's partially theirs' and partially their parents', and partially the states' who let this happen etc etc. Also, what about all those completely un-skilled drivers out there ? From statistics that i have been looking into, they seem to be responsible for a major percentage of accidents. The problem is that it is not very easy to categorise those accidents, cause how can you judge that some1 is a bad driver AFTER the accident ? And we definetely can't make any1 become a better driver can we ? What of all the morons that never look a mirror when they change a lane, that drive with 70 km/h in the fast lane and refuse to move over, that speak to their cellphone forever while driving (some even do SMS).
3) The point i was trying to make was not that those guys did ok. I would have nver done it. However i do believe the safety margins were much bigger than most of you think. I also know pretty well that experienced drivers (and i mean exprienced real drivers) will seldom cause o road accident, particularly fatal. And the reason they did that at 4:00 am was to avoid horrible things such as child running for a ball. Has any of you watched any footage of WRC group B era ? NOW THAT WAS OFFENDING to watch. The organisers were completely irresponsible but still they were legal. Who knows how many spectators got run over by cars then ? And the drivers...i was looking at in car videos and the would never lift off...they should be thinking something like "it aint my fault if some moron becomes a bumper sticker".

Originally posted by LuckyStrike1

Speeding is one thing ... this is a completely different thing that should be condemned. And the highway they were reaching 300 km/h on ... well that one goes from the city out to the suburbs .. it's not really a deserted highway out in the country, but a highway in the middle of the swedish capital.

It's still a highway. This means no crossroads, no traffic lights etc etc. Which means the only serious threat is other cars. How many did you count during the whole film ?
I will again say that i would never do such a thing, even if i was as pro as they are, and i too thing it's dangerous, illegal and stupid. The last thing i want is to cause another persons death. Still i think it is not as dangerous as you make it sound (russian rullet) and i know other legal acts, or illegal that are not policed in the proper way, which are more dangerous for OTHER PPL SAFETY. Finally, i cannot deny that i enjoyed a lot the films.

[DoS]

Originally posted by The Kanisteri

End of last summer one chief executive bloke of extreme video firm runned over schoolgirl on crosswalk with his snobby sportcar in southern Finland. He runned throught red lights with excessive speed. Kid died instantly.

To police he couldn't explain why he drove so fast and throught red lights but police found excactly those "Getaway in Stockholm"-films from his car...

That is plain horrible. However this is a very sensitive topic you open. Its the same thing as "the kids that entered that School in Columbia US and slaughtered 20 - 25 teachers/students with assult rifles and shotguns did it because they were playng too much Counterstrike".

[Bjorn]

Killing someone after taking "safety precautions" (rather dodgy ones too, imho) leaves them just as dead.

Anyway, I think what the Kanisteri was saying is that the guy was one of the publishers of those videos or something like that.. I remember reading about that incident.

[DoS]

Originally posted by Bjorn
Killing someone after taking "safety precautions" (rather dodgy ones too, imho) leaves them just as dead.

Anyway, I think what the Kanisteri was saying is that the guy was one of the publishers of those videos or something like that.. I remember reading about that incident.

If that is true, then i have no words to characterize him and his actions. His actions are inhuman and horrible. When you say publisher you mean he was not one of the drivers right ?. Because i don't want to sound like a prick, but this is actually what i am saying right from the start. It would be very unlikely for a pro-driver to do something like that. On the other side, some moron who thinks he is a pro just cause he owns a sports car...

Anyway, this is really sad news to me.

[mahelgel]

I've seen both GIS 1-3 and Ghostrider - the final ride, and none of them are "safe" in any way. Even if the GIS movies was filmed at dawn, with little traffic, there still is a chance that someone walking home from a party is crossing the road, or that someone is driving to their early work. If an accident happens, it happens for all the wrong reasons... :

Seeding in a city (atleast at those speeds) are never safe. The "Ghostrider movie" was not filmed at dawn, and he is dodging traffic all the times at very high speed... really leaves you with a bad taste in the mouth after watching it. I still watched them though, and if a 4th GIS or a Ghostrider 2 is releast i'll probably watch them too

[DoS]

Could some1 tell me where i can find the Ghostrider film in DivX ?
thanx

[PeaQ]

Originally posted by DoS
It would be very unlikely for a pro-driver to do something like that. On the other side, some moron who thinks he is a pro just cause he owns a sports car...

It can be discussed whether the drivers in GIS are 'pro' or not, IMHO, they are not...

In GIS1 they drove mostly IN the city, they where even in the alleys of Gamla Stan (Old Town), which isnt even remotely similar to a highway, in GIS1 they also almost smashed right in to a reversing truck... Safe? I think not...

[PeaQ]

Originally posted by DoS
Could some1 tell me where i can find the Ghostrider film in DivX ?
thanx

Try Kazaa...

[Superbar]

There must be other videos like this.

I seem to recall there was some moron taken to court in Japan for selling a video with himself in a Ferrari F40 going top speed on public road. The video worked as evidence, he didn't conceal his identity in it.

As for the Getaway videos. I'm a bit curiuos to see them, but no way i'll pay that money for it. And as Ghostrider point out, it would be wrong to support them.

[LuckyStrike1]

Originally posted by DoS


It's still a highway. This means no crossroads, no traffic lights etc etc. Which means the only serious threat is other cars. How many did you count during the whole film ?
I will again say that i would never do such a thing, even if i was as pro as they are, and i too thing it's dangerous, illegal and stupid. The last thing i want is to cause another persons death. Still i think it is not as dangerous as you make it sound (russian rullet) and i know other legal acts, or illegal that are not policed in the proper way, which are more dangerous for OTHER PPL SAFETY. Finally, i cannot deny that i enjoyed a lot the films.

And it's still a public road and therefore no place for any mad stupid racingstuff.
And the most dangerous part of that movie wasn't the highway anyway, although that was dangerous enough. The most dangerous parts were when they raced around in the city, looking for cops and they running away from them at a way too high speed for a city. It doesn't matter how few or many cars were out there. There are pedestrains, there are people out, there is always the danger of people crossing the road when these two maniacs come along. Doing it at dawn doesn't make it less dangerous .. because at nights you have people out that have been drinking, being on their way from or to clubs, restaurants etc. I wouldn't wanna meet one of these drivers.

And they are clearly not proffessionals if you look how they drive on the video ... they miss their braking, miss gearshifts and take dangerous lines into and out of corners.

[TAB666]

Originally posted by Romulus


Actually they are Swedish and Stockholm is the capital of Sweden. Fun thing about the first movie is that it ends on the same island where I live.

However if u wan't to see something ourageous that makes Getaway is Stokohlm look like Kart you should try to get your hands on "Ghostrider the final ride".
It's the same idea, illegal street racing, but on a Motorcyckel. This guy does over 300 km/h in traffic.

It's also shot in Stockhom.

I think i saw a Ghostrider movie whre he/she did Stockholm-Uppsala in under 15 minutes. They ofcourse did it after the worst traffic to Kista ( at 10 they started ).
But the scariest motorcykle movie i have seen is from france during heavy trafic in Paris. Its totaly insane. The "best" part is that the rider takes the biggest chance and its not very likely that anyother would get killed or injured.

I just hate it when people kill others in trafic and they dont get any real punishment .. even thouh they did everything wrong ( like going to fast/drinking or high on something) .... but maybe that is just the case in Sweden ...

[Ghostrider]

These guys are tarnishing my login name!

[DoS]

Originally posted by LuckyStrike1


And it's still a public road and therefore no place for any mad stupid racingstuff.
And the most dangerous part of that movie wasn't the highway anyway, although that was dangerous enough. The most dangerous parts were when they raced around in the city, looking for cops and they running away from them at a way too high speed for a city. It doesn't matter how few or many cars were out there. There are pedestrains, there are people out, there is always the danger of people crossing the road when these two maniacs come along. Doing it at dawn doesn't make it less dangerous .. because at nights you have people out that have been drinking, being on their way from or to clubs, restaurants etc. I wouldn't wanna meet one of these drivers.

And they are clearly not proffessionals if you look how they drive on the video ... they miss their braking, miss gearshifts and take dangerous lines into and out of corners.

Sorry i would not call that "RACING" under any circumstances. When you "race" you "compete". Street racing is very dangerous, because when you compete with some1 it's very likely that you will go over the limit (yours or the cars) and then an accident will happen which would almost surely be fatal in a public road in such speeds. These guys were definetely not racing, they were speeding excessively...the difference is huge.
And what is all this you are talking about missing braking points and bad lines
You think they were using ANY braking points at all ? If you start using lines on the street then you are definetely going to kill some1...
IMO if these two guys were up against each other, or even worse against the clock, then almost certainly an accident would happen. But i don't think they are THAT stupid

[tim]

I've seen all the GiS series and whilst I wouldn't say I enjoyed them per se, they were well... eye opening. (Incidentally GiS2 is IMHO the best of the three, as there's actually something interesting happening, instead of a Porsche or a crappy NSX driving around Stockholm at seemingly not very fast (but still dangerous) speeds).

They may be fun to watch but the bottom line is that what the drivers are doing is inherently dangerous, as others have pointed out. I guess you must give them credit for driving around when it's not too busy but in GiS2 they drive through residential areas at high speed, as well as in the city centre and on the freeways. On the freeways in GiS2 the speedo reads over 320kph - that's just about 200mph. They're overtaking cars left right and centre but what happens if some innocent in an old Volvo gets all confused with these fast cars going past him, moves over and takes one of them out?

Another one of these "racing" films is "Rendezvous", where a French director named Claude Lelouche drives through early-morning Paris at speed in a Ferrari. He actually has a number of close shaves with other cars and with pedestrians as he zooms through the back streets of Paris.

Haven't seen the motorbike one yet, it's, err... being resolved as I speak (Kazaa). Actually, all of the GiS series as well as Rendezvous are on Kazaa, and, seeing as they are breaking the law by driving like assholes, I don't lose any sleep by denying them $$$$.

Oh, and for anyone who thinks "racing" is cool and they're invincible, take a look at this thread on HardForums. Makes for sobering reading.

Incidentally, Stockholm looks like a nice place (well, aside from the idiots racing their ricemobiles). Must visit one day...

[Viss1]

Originally posted by TAB666
But the scariest motorcykle movie i have seen is from france during heavy trafic in Paris. Its totaly insane. The "best" part is that the rider takes the biggest chance and its not very likely that anyother would get killed or injured.

"Getaway in Paris." It's on Kazaa. Apparently, the rider later died trying to break the record.

[random]

Those Getaway videos are amazing, those boys have my respect.

I've always wanted to try something like this, not to sell the video but just for a crack. But the logistics of setting it up, cameras, cameramen, safehouse-garage, all a bit much. Plus, trying that around here would come with the possibility of serving 90 (or more) days in the hole and going a year or more without one's driving privileges. Not to mention the definite risk of getting shot by the man.

You can and moan about how irresponsible these guys are, but they've got the cohonas to actually do it. I save my outrage for the violent criminals of this world. Millions die of violent crimes every year and people yell and scream about a few dangerous drivers, in almost all cases these sort of thrill seekers hurt only themselves.

[The Kanisteri]

Originally posted by random
Those Getaway videos are amazing, those boys have my respect.

I've always wanted to try something like this, not to sell the video but just for a crack. But the logistics of setting it up, cameras, cameramen, safehouse-garage, all a bit much. Plus, trying that around here would come with the possibility of serving 90 (or more) days in the hole and going a year or more without one's driving privileges. Not to mention the definite risk of getting shot by the man.

You can and moan about how irresponsible these guys are, but they've got the cohonas to actually do it. I save my outrage for the violent criminals of this world. Millions die of violent crimes every year and people yell and scream about a few dangerous drivers, in almost all cases these sort of thrill seekers hurt only themselves.

You are an idiot.

[green-blood]

having lived in Stockholm for 6 months I can say it is a stunning city - but it never lseeps, I often walked home at 4-5 am!!!!

Thsi is sickening behaviour by those with too much money and too little respect for public safety. Use a track - go to the 'ring.

[Evo One]

If you want to see some really crazy driving on the road then take a look at this:

http://fun.from.hell...01-09/malec.wmv

[Dolph]

Originally posted by random
Those Getaway videos are amazing, those boys have my respect.

I've always wanted to try something like this, not to sell the video but just for a crack. But the logistics of setting it up, cameras, cameramen, safehouse-garage, all a bit much. Plus, trying that around here would come with the possibility of serving 90 (or more) days in the hole and going a year or more without one's driving privileges. Not to mention the definite risk of getting shot by the man.

You can and moan about how irresponsible these guys are, but they've got the cohonas to actually do it. I save my outrage for the violent criminals of this world. Millions die of violent crimes every year and people yell and scream about a few dangerous drivers, in almost all cases these sort of thrill seekers hurt only themselves.

Why the f*** do you think you have any right to put my family or loved ones at risk of death or to be injured severely, just because u have an itch. Go f**** drive of a cliff. That would give u some thrill and leave others unharmed