57 replies to this topic

[Frank de Jong]

During my quest for the touring car results, I'm puzzled by the Macao touring car races. I know the Guia race from 1972 to this present day, results in Chinese or at Darren's pages. But there must have been more international races; Glemser won a "Macao GP" in 1971, Alan Moffat did the same in 1973 (but that years Guia was won by Peter Chow). Erich Waxenberger is supposed to have won the 1968 or 1969 event in a Mercedes 300 SEL 6.3 works car.
Was there a second touring car race (in the same period)? Or was the 1973 Guia winner perhaps not the overall winner of the race? Does anyone know more about the pre-1972 races?

[pc13]

The Guia Race is the touring car race, the Macau Grand Prix is the F3 race. Still, there are always other classes running (including bikes, F. Asia, 1600cc tourings...)

[Beejay17]

Where are 'Darren's pages'?

[Darren Galpin]

Start at www.silhouet.com/motorsport , and http://www.teamdan.c.../gen/macau.html specifically.

[Beejay17]

Which brings us back to Frank's question, AFAIK, Allan Moffat won the '73 Guia race in a Capri RS2600.

[Frank de Jong]

Yes but Darren's site and a few others list Peter Chow as winner in a Celica. That's the problem.

[Beejay17]

According to an article I have, the finishing order for a Group 2 touring car race at Macau in November 1973 as:

1. A Moffat (Australia) - Ford Capri RS2600
2. N Tachi (Japan) - Toyota Celica
3. J Ramirez (Philippines) Toyota Celica

I have photos if anyone is interested.

Brett

[Rainer Nyberg]

This page (which is the official site) lists some details of each race, but nothing specific on the '73 race.

http://www.macau.gra...2/en/inside.php

However they did have email published, so I mailed them, so lets see what happens....

[chfu]

I understand the 1970 race was won by Anne Wong of Singapore in a Mini Cooper while 'Allegerita' list Albert Poon as the 1967 winner in an Alfa Romeo GTA. I wrote to the organiser of Macau GP soon after the Guia race 2 weeks ago but they could only provide Guia race winners from 1972. Perhaps the pre-72 races were simply called 'touring car race' & 'Guia' race was formally 'incepted' in 1972. I have the race report of the 1973 race & will check and further post.

[Frank de Jong]

Thanks chfu; Tabucchi does not mention the 1967 victory so that one escaped me so far.
Peter Chow, the winner of 1973 according to the Macao site, does not even figure as class winner in the contemporary european reports, so that still is a mystery. If you can find out anything more that would be great.

Originally posted by Beejay17
According to an article I have, the finishing order for a Group 2 touring car race at Macau in November 1973 as:

1. A Moffat (Australia) - Ford Capri RS2600
2. N Tachi (Japan) - Toyota Celica
3. J Ramirez (Philippines) Toyota Celica

I have photos if anyone is interested.

Brett

Brett, are those pictures you're referring to your own? Then I would like to show them on the site - there's room for it now.

[Beejay17]

Sorry Frank,

They're from Auto Action. Not mine to give permission.

[Angus Lamont]

Re the original Guia Race. It was held at the end of May in 1969 and was 101 laps of the 3.8 miles (384 miles) Guia circuit at Macao. As mentioned the race was won by Waxenberger in a Mercedes and was co-driven by Albert Poon, a very popular and well-known racing driver from Hong Kong. 2nd was a Porsche 911 driven by Herb Adamczyk and Klaus Doerr. 3rd was another Mercedes driven by Jan Bussell and A.N.Other. I was present as an official at this meeting.

The next Guia race was called the "200" (refers to miles I think) and was held in 1972 the weekend before the Macau GP in November. It was won by John Macdonald in a 1,275cc Mini Cooper followed home by Albert Poon and Harold Lee in Opal Asconas, both of whom ran out of fuel on the last lap and were overtaken by Macdonald who was running 3rd.

All future events were shorter and incorporated into the main Macau GP weekend.

If there are any questions please ask and I will try and answer them if I can.
Hope that this gives those interested a bit more info.

[Frank de Jong]

That is very interesting, thank you Angus. Can you add anything on the 1973 result, with various sources name either Glemser as the winner, or Chow? Was there a separate 1600 cc race?

[chfu]

Thanks Angus for the very informative news. I vividly remember being told the Merc was driven by Albert Poon & now I have the better picture; also how McD won the 1972 Guia race. Can you post the results of the saloon car races prior to the inception of Guia race? FOr I know Albert Poon won the 1967 race in an Alfa Romeo GTA.

[Angus Lamont]

Hi Frank,

Now you are really taxing my memory! I'm sure that Dieter Glemser won the Guia driving a Ford Cologne 2.6l Capri (probably 1973). It was a works car with 2 German mechanics looking after it. I can't remember the year but you might be able to trace it through Glemser's driving history with Ford. Peter Chow certainly won the Guia as well, driving a Toyota, but I think that this was after Glemser won it. Albert Poon usually drove Alfas in the saloon car races and, in my opinion, was better with these than with his Formula cars; I'm not surprised that he won saloon car races in Macau but I suspect that it was more than one!

It is possible that the Ford Cologne Capri was driven in more than one Guia race.

The only additional item that I can add about the original Guia race in 1969 is that a Lancia 1,300cc was 5th (1st in class) and was driven by John Macdonald and Roly Levis.

That is probably all that I can help you with. Feel free to ask more.

Regards,

Angus

[Angus Lamont]

Sorry, should have added that a Porsche 911 was 4th in the original 1969 Guia.

Angus

[chfu]

Albert must be winning races with Lotus Cortina or Alfa in the 60s, his GTA came to Malaysia in the late 60s and never returned to HK.

[fivestar]

Firstly is this the same Angus Lamont who was a motorcycle 'nut" in the old 70s days of the HK Motor Sports Club?
My recollection was that Glemser won the touring car race in his works car in 1971, followed by Brock in a Holden, but after 30+ years I may be wrong.
The Guia Race started in 1972 as a result of Glemser's win wherein the Macau GP organisers hoped to attract more overseas entries.
I think the Guia race only got established in the early 80s when BMW entered the fray. In 1984 Jaguar actually won and even Volvo won in 1985, but essentially the Guia race has always been dominated by BMW.

[Angus Lamont]

Hi Fivestar, Frank and all,

Yes, I'm the same Angus Lamont that was (and still is) a motorcycle "nut" that rode in the MSCHK events in the 1970's.

Here is what I've been able to find out:-

1970 Macau Production Car Race: 1st Anne Wong in a Mini Cooper S
1971 Macau Production Car Race: 1st Dieter Glemser in a Ford Capre RS
1972 Macau Guia Race: 1st John Macdonald in a Mini Cooper S (This was the first Guia Race)
1973 Macau Guia Race: 1st Peter Chow (probably a Toyota)
1974 Macau Guia Race: 1st Nobuhide Tachi in a Toyota Celica TA
1975 Macau Guia Race: 1st Nobuhide Tachi in a Toyota Celica TA
1976 Macau Guia Race: 1st Herb Adamczyk in a Porsche Carrera RS
1977 Macau Guia Race: 1st Peter Chow in a Toyota Celica
1978 Macau Guia Race: 1st Peter Chow in a Toyota Celica
1979 Macau Guia Race: 1st Herb Adamczyk (probably in a Porsche)

I've not tried to find results earlier than 1970 but they might be more difficult to trace.

Best regards to all,

Angus

[fivestar]

Angus, great that my mind has not totally dacayed. I'm the guy who raced a Blue/yellow Lotus 7 and a White+ blue stripe MGA in the HKMSC hillclimb events. ( I presume you still reside in the FE, like me, by you timings)
There is quite a good chapter on the saloon car races which formed part of the Macau GP in "Color and Noise". Another alternative would be the Macau GP Museum web site if they have one.

[chfu]

yes, it is more difficult to trace. The results from 1972 onwards are published in official Macau GP webiste. It's thru elsewhere we found out the winners of 67, 69-71 of the saloon car events('predessor' of Guia race)

[chfu]

'Color & Noise' has a good coverage of the saloon car events from the 80s when the organisers allowed Group A or 1 (ETCC spec) cars to race. there is much coverage on events in the 60s & 70s.

[Angus Lamont]

Hi guys,

I' living in Shanghai at the moment and all my reference books are in Singapore so it is kind of difficult to check information.

Fivestar,
I remember the cars but not the name of the driver, sorry, but it was a long time ago!

Regards,

Angus

[chfu]

Hi Angus, you live in Singapore. OPerhaps we can mee t up, please check private email.

[fivestar]

Hi Angus, you can get my bio from the members list and if you look at the recent Goodwood festival thread, there's a photo of me with other TNFs in the beer tent. Have to say though I'm 30+ years older and 30+ lbs heavier, so you may not recognise me anyway

[Eli Solomon]

What I have on Macau Production and Touring cars for 70 and 71

17th Macau Grand Prix – 28-29th November 1970

The Touring car event - Anne Wong started from the back of the field of thirty cars, having barely qualified for the race in the first place. The front row consisted of European F2 star Dieter Quester in a yellow works BMW 2002 Alpina, with Johnny Leffler in the #45 Newton Enterprises Ford Escort Twin-Cam. Peter Chow’s 1293 Mini S was third on the grid. Lap time difference between Quester and Leffler was about 2 seconds a lap with P.H. Wong confident because the Escort was expected to see considerably improved times. On lap 6, the Escort’s rear-diff packed up on the straight and that was the end of that attempt. On lap 9, Quester lost his gearbox and called it a day. Anne Wong took over the lead and won by a good one and a half minutes ahead of Lucky Kirtisinghe in a Mini S and Ahmed Khan in an Escort Twin-Cam. Anne’s lap times were fractionally slower than that achieved by Brian Foley the previous year.

18th Macau Grand Prix – 20-21st November 1971

Production and Touring cars – entries from worldwide with likes of Dieter Glemser from the ETCC with the Ford Capri 2.9 RS complete with fiberglass leaf-springs (GP2). Allan Moffat had the Ford Flacon GTHO Phase 3 – a big red car. Peter Brock was running the Torana XU-1. Another Aussie, Jim Smith, ran one of Teddy Yip’s cars – the BMW 2000. Albert Poon ran the GTV – which was made to look like a GTAm, complete with Autodelta engine and Poon suspension. Dr. Henry Lee had the BMW 2002 Alpina, Harold Lee had the works Honda 1300, Pocholo Ramirez had the works Toyota Corona 1400, S.Y. Tam had an 8-port Mini with Webers and Anne Wong was running the BLMC 8-Port mini plus 4 Amal carburetors. Air Siam had a team as well, led by Charles Korman in a BMW Alpina 1600.

Heats for Touring cars – Glemser was fastest, followed by Poon and Brock – the three on the front row for the finals.
Finals for Touring cars – Glemser in the 2.9 RS Capri an easy winner, followed by Poon and Brock.

Eli Solomon

[Angus Lamont]

I've just remembered the name of Jan Bussell's co driver in the Mercedes that finished 3rd in the 1969 Macau Guia "101" endurance race. It is Ted Moorat, an army major who competed in the Motor Sports Club of Hong Kong events. He was a good rally driver.

[Graham Gauld]

In one of the earlier comments it was said about Albert Poon not going back to Hong Kong. I used to meet him often when I was in Hong Kong 1993-1995 and he was still occasionally racing. Very amusing character and very quick driver. So he obviously came back from Malaysia.

[Angus Lamont]

Some more corrections and additional information about the 1969 Guia 101 and the 1972 Guia 200.

1969 Guia 101.
Race distance: 101 laps of the 3.8 mile circuit = 383.8 miles.
Date: 18 May 1969 (confirmed by checking the dates in my old passport).
Race time: 5h 57m 15s.
43 starters. 26 finishers.

Results:
1. Mercedes 300SEL 6.3* Drivers: Erich Waxenberger / Albert Poon.
2. Porsche 911S* Drivers: Klaus Doerr / Herb Adamczyk.
3. Mercedes 300SEL 6.3 Drivers: Jan Bussell / Ted Moorat.
4. Porsche 911S Drivers: Henry Lee / Teddy Yip
5. Lancia 1.3 HF* Drivers: John Macdonald / Roly Levis.
* = class winners

The race started at 14.00hrs and this meant that the closing laps were done in the dark. Note that Hong Kong had daylight saving time in those days.
Some info from “50th Macau Grand Prix” published by the Macau Post Office. ISBD 99937-627-2-5.

1972 Macau Guia “200” Race.
Race distance 201.4 miles = 53 laps of the 3.8 mile circuit.
Date: 19 November 1972 (a week before the Macau Grand Prix. It was an attempt to expand the event to cover two full weekends but failed on this count, largely because all the marshals and officials were from Hong Kong and they didn’t have the time available to marshal for two weekends in a row).
Results and race times:
1. Austin Mini Cooper S 1275cc: Driver: John Macdonald. 3h 11m 15.94s.
2. Opel Ascona SR: Driver: Harold Lee. 3h 12m 09.30s.
3. Opel Ascona SR: Driver: Albert Poon. 52 laps.

The last lap started with Albert Poon in the lead, followed by John Macdonald and Harold Lee in that order.
Albert Poon ran out of fuel at R bend just two corners before the finish and John Macdonald overtook him and took the chequered flag.
However, Harold Lee told me that he pushed Albert Poon to the finish yet the results only credit Albert with completing 52 laps.
I’m uncertain how Albert was placed 3rd if Harold pushed him to the finish. Also, Albert would have completed 53 laps but is only credited with finishing 52 laps. Could this have amounted to “outside assistance”?
If the race had been 200 miles rather that 201.4 miles Albert would almost certainly won the race!
Some info from The Macau Grand Prix 50 Years of Motor Sport by Philip Newsome. ISBN 1-873-200-14-5

[Angus Lamont]

Some more results for production car races in Macau.

1965 MACAU GRAND PRIX XII

PRODUCTION CAR RACE – A. 30 laps.
SHELL CUP:
1/ Grant Wolfkill – Mini Cooper S Time: 1h 46m 47.6s. Ave. speed: 64.04 mph.
CHAMPION CUP – A: Grant Wolfkill.
CLASSES:
C: 1/ W. M. Sulke – DKW F12
2/ Anthony H K Tsui – Austin Cooper
E: 1/ Albert Poon – Morris Mini Cooper S
2/ Saiichi Suzuki – Datsun Bluebird

PRODUCTION CAR RACE – B. 30 laps.
1/ G. M. Baker – Jaguar 3.4 Time: 1h 53m 15.5s. Ave. speed: 60.39 mph.
CHAMPION CUP – B: G. M. Baker.
WILLIE SHEA CUP: Best driver in the race: G. M. Baker.
CLASSES:
F: 1/ Frank Wong – Corsair GT
2/ Paul Chan – Cortina GT
G: 1/ Ao Sui Cheung – Volvo 122/B18
I: 1/ David Ma – Jaguar 3.8

ACP (Automovel Club de Portugal) TROPHY RACE. 30 laps.
1/ John Kirk – Lotus Elan Time: 1h 37m 50.7s. Ave. speed: 69.96 mph.
2/ Albert Poon – Triumph Spitfire Time: 1h 38m 33.7s. Ave. speed: 69.39 mph
3/ Charles Ching – Lotus Elan (28 laps) Time: 1h 38m 49.5s. Ave. speed: 64.93 mph
IAN MITCHELL CUP - Fastest car under 1,500cc: Albert Poon – Triumph Spitfire
CLASSES:
A: Harold Lee – Honda S600
C: Hong Che Kung – Austin Healey
D: Riki Okubo – Triumph Spitfire
E: S. A. Goodwin – Lotus Elite
F: Walter Haskamp – Lotus Elan
G: P. Hodson M.G. “B”

[D-Type]

Originally posted by Angus Lamont
I've just remembered the name of Jan Bussell's co driver in the Mercedes that finished 3rd in the 1969 Macau Guia "101" endurance race. It is Ted Moorat, an army major who competed in the Motor Sports Club of Hong Kong events. He was a good rally driver.

I think that's the E F E Moorat who shared a Peugeot 404 with Chris Little in the 1965 Safari, finishing 9th and being one of the winning team?

[Angus Lamont]

It could be but I can't confirm that.

[Nanni Dietrich]

I have read a magazine Autosprint, issue December 1974: according to Mr. Kranefuss, team manager of team Ford, Dieter Glemser decided to abandon racing shortly after the 1974 Guia race at Macau, in which he was involved in an accident with several children killed.
I have no sources on this sad fact and I have never heard before.
Does someone know anything more?

Also in 1971, when Glemser scored his win in the Guia race, another pretty obscure accident happened, and one unknown driver was killed.

[Frank de Jong]

The book "50th Macao Grand Prix" mentions the 1974 incident as "a burst tyre caused a serious accident which injured some spectators".

[Nanni Dietrich]

Originally posted by Nanni Dietrich

...

Also in 1971, when Glemser scored his win in the Guia race, another pretty obscure accident happened, and one unknown driver was killed.

The fatal accident that happened during practice in sight of the 1971 Guia Race claimed the life of David Ma of Hong Kong. The car was totally destroyed and the remains were dumped at sea during the return crossing by a light aircraft from Macau to Hong Kong

[Angus Lamont]

Correction. The remains of David Ma's car was dumped from a lighter not a light aircraft!

[Angus Lamont]

Some more information about the 1969 Guia 101 and the 1972 Guia 200.

1969 Guia 101.

Race distance: 101 laps of the 3.8 mile circuit = 383.8 miles.
Date: 18 May 1969.
Race time: 5h 57m 15s. (SCMP quotes 5h 57m 10.22s)
43 starters. 26 finishers.

Grid positions:
1. 3m 15.07s. Car #51 Mercedes 300SEL 6.3. Drivers: Erich Waxenberger / Albert Poon
2. 3m 17.07s. Car #52 Mercedes 300SEL 6.3. Drivers: Jan Bussell / Ted Moorat
3. 3m 17.49s. Car #** Austin Cooper. Drivers: Tony Mitchell / Steve Harvey
4. 3m 18.93s. Car #19 Mini Cooper. Drivers: Hong Yau-chun / E. T. da Silva
5. 3m 19.64s. Car #29 Morris Cooper Drivers: P. T. Wong / S. Y. Tam
6. 3m 25.27s. Car #35 Alfa Romeo Drivers: Walter Haskamp / Peter Chow
7. 3m 22.88s. Car #47 Porsche 911 Drivers: Teddy Yip / Henry Lee
8. 3m 28.28s. Car #33 Morris Cooper Drivers: Grant Wolfkill / John Leffler

The absence of times for Car#46, the Porsche 911 of Klaus Doerr / Herb Adamczyk which finished 2nd and the Lancia 1.3 of John Macdonald / Roly Levis which finished 5th is probably accounted for by the fact that Seiko’s timing equipment broke down and was only repaired in time for the race.

Race Results:
1. Car #51 Mercedes 300SEL 6.3* Drivers: Erich Waxenberger / Albert Poon.
101 laps. Time: 5h 57m 10.22s. Ave. speed: 64.53 mph.
2. Car #46 Porsche 911S* Drivers: Klaus Doerr / Herb Adamczyk.
101 laps. Time: 5h 59m 33.00s. Ave. speed: 64.05 mph.
3. Car #52 Mercedes 300SEL 6.3 Drivers: Jan Bussell / Ted Moorat.
100 laps. Time: 5h 59m 05.35s. Ave. speed: 63.36 mph.
4. Car #47 Porsche 911S Drivers: Henry Lee / Teddy Yip.
5. Car #** Lancia 1.3 HF Fulvia* Drivers: John Macdonald / Roly Levis.
6. Car #33 Morris Cooper S Drivers: Grant Wolfkill / John Leffler.
7. Car #23 Triumph Spitfire Drivers: P. Lok / Sum Fok-on.
8. Car #43 Ford Lotus Escort Drivers: Bill Grey / Bob Gardner
9. Car #39 Lotus Elan Drivers: P. J. S. “Jim” Curtis / S.A. Lance
* = class winners

DNF. Car #1 Morris Mini. Drivers: Ng Tze-man / Ching Hing.
DNF. Car #45 BMW 2002. this could be the Steve Holland / Bill Wylie BMW 2002 that suffered low oil pressure during practice and terminal engine trouble early in the race.

After the race there was an altercation between the Macdonald / Levis team and the Wolfkill / Leffler team as to which of them had won the 1,300cc class award. The organizers eventually awarded the class win to the Lancia 1.3 Fulvia HF of Macdonald / Levis.

The event was sponsored by Rothmans.


1972 Macau Guia “200” Race.

Race distance 201.4 miles = 53 laps of the 3.8 mile circuit.
Date: 19 November 1972.

Practice times:
1. Albert Poon Opal Ascona 3m 36.20s
2. John Macdonald Austin Cooper S 3m 42.44s
3. Harold Lee Opal Ascona 3m 43.34s
4. Ted Moorat BMW 3 OS 3m 44.76s
5. Ahmed Khan Ford Capri 3m 45.09s
6. Peter Chow Toyota 3m 49.84s
7. Don O’Sullivan BMW 2800 3m 56.56s
8. Herb Adamczyk VW K70 4m 02.60s
9. David Meikle Simca 4m 06.06s

Practice was in held in drizzle.

Results and race times:
1. Austin Mini Cooper S 1275cc: Driver: John Macdonald. 3h 11m 15.94s.
53 laps. Ave. speed: 63.18 mph.
2. Opel Ascona SR 1,987cc: Driver: Harold Lee. 3h 12m 09.30s.
53 laps. Ave. speed: 62.89 mph.
3. Opel Ascona SR 1,987cc: Driver: Albert Poon. 3h 05m 01.60s
52 laps. Ave. speed: 64.08 mph

Ted Moorat drove a BMW and diced for the lead with Albert Poon until his differential seized on the 47th lap. Albert Poon hit the sandbags at Moorish Hill but recovered to continue without losing his place. Albert Poon refueled on lap 27 and should have had enough fuel to complete the race but his pit crew didn’t completely fill the tank.
The last lap started with Albert Poon in the lead, followed by John Macdonald and Harold Lee in that order.
Albert Poon ran out of fuel at R bend just two corners before the finish and John Macdonald overtook him and took the chequered flag.
Harold Lee later told me that he pushed Albert Poon to the finish but, in retrospect, he must have pushed Albert Poon to the finish on his own slowing down lap.
If the race had been 200 miles rather that 201.4 miles Albert would almost certainly won the race!

[chfu]

1972 must be a 'out of fuel' year for Albert. He ran out of fuel 2 laps from winning the inagural Series Production Car race in Ipoh, Malaysia in an Alfa 2000 Berlina, handing the win over to Eddy Choong, ex-All England Badminton Tournament Champion.

[Philip Adamson]

I've just stumbled across this forum and thread while trying to find information on a car I've just bought. It's a 1971 BMW 3.0 CSi which is known to have started life as a race car in Hong Kong and raced at Macau when it was new. It was owned in from the late 1980's in Hong Kong by an airline pilot named C. H. Green, who used it in classic/historic saloon car races for a while and brought it out to New Zealand in 1997. It was sold in 2002 to a gentleman who has used it in classic racing and classic rallies - apparently the first time in its life that it has been street-legal, and I've just bought it off him.

The information about it having run at Macau in the early 70's comes from the mechanic who serviced it in Hong Kong for Mr Green during the 1980's and early 1990's. He recalls Mr Green talking about it's race history, but nothing specific about who owned it and raced it from new. Apparently it raced in the Phillipines as well.

I've already email Angus privately as he seems to be the font of knowledge on Macau, but does anyone else have any information on any 3.0 CSi (or CS) running at Macau in 1971-1973-ish? The car is black and has had the injection removed and a set of three Mikuni carbs put on instead. It wouldn't surprise me if that had been done from new, too, as the D-Jet certainly didn't lend itself to tuning!

I'd be very grateful for any information or possible contacts who may have knowledge of the privately entered BMWs running during that period.

[Alan Cox]

You could try contacting the Macau GP organisers direct. They do keep some archive material, so may have entry lists from the 1970s
macaugp@cgpm.gov.mo

[E-Type]

I've just stumbled across this forum and thread looking for more information regarding the Macau Grand Prix in 60's. My father died in 1971 during practice driving John MacDonald's old Lotus 47. Can someone please direct me to where I can locate some photos of production car races in the 60's for Macau. I know my dad had a class win in 65 driving a Jaguar MII 3.8, he also raced a Datsun and E-Type. Thank you- Edward Ma

[David McKinney]

You've no doubt got - or at least seen - Philip Newsome's book Colour and Noise, which has several references to David Ma. I haven't checked it for photos though

[E-Type]

You've no doubt got - or at least seen - Philip Newsome's book Colour and Noise, which has several references to David Ma. I haven't checked it for photos though

Thank you David. I have heard about the book but it's not available here in Canada and I believe it's out of print. Can someone please direct me to a specialty book site where I may order a copy.

Thanks also Nanni for pointing to a memorial page for my dad.

I have limited information regarding my dad'a racing in Macau. I knew he likes Jaguar, and was the first Oriental to become president of MSCHK. His good friend and co-driver Chen Hong Lai (who sadly passed away in November 2008 after battling cancer) gave me a scrap book a little while back which contained newspaper clippings of the 1971 Macau Grand Prix. It had some horrific pictures of my dad's crash on Friday Nov 19, 1971, which was probably the reason my mom never talks about it. Interestingly, the scrapbook was given to Uncle Chen by another driver Albert Poon when he visited him in Canada a couple of years ago.

[Angus Lamont]

Hi Edward (E-type),

I knew David Ma, your father, well when he was the President of the MSCHK and I was serving on the MSCHK Committee. He was a real gentleman who was well-liked and respected by all who met him. If I remember correctly he had two sons, Edward and Arthur (twins?) who occasionally came to some of the MSCHK sporting events so we may have met before! If I remember correctly he worked for a Dutch shipping company (Nedlloyd?)

I knew the Lotus 47 that your father purchased from John Macdonald as I was helping John with his racing activities at that time. The car had originally been purchased by Harpers who sold it on to John Macdonald. With the new single-seater regulations 4-valve engines became outlawed so John transferred the 4-valve FVA in his Brabham BT10 to the Lotus 47 and bought a new Vegantune Twin-cam for the Brabham. The FVA engine number was 002 and the Hewland FT200 gearbox number was 35.

The circumstance leading up to your father’s accident was that he had not done a quick enough lap in the 47 to qualify for the Macau GP. In the last qualifying session your father lost control under braking for Statue Corner and hit a lamp post with disastrous results.

Everyone was deeply shocked by his death and I remember there were many people present at his funeral, which was held at North Point.

Your father’s first love was Jaguars and he drove them in most MSCHK events.

I also knew and raced go-karts against Chen Hong Lai and am saddened to learn of his death from cancer.

Best regards,

Angus

[Alan Cox]

Thank you David. I have heard about the book but it's not available here in Canada and I believe it's out of print. Can someone please direct me to a specialty book site where I may order a copy.

Try Abebooks, E Type. They currently have three copies listed.
http://www.abebooks....olour and noise

[E-Type]

Hi Edward (E-type),

I knew David Ma, your father, well when he was the President of the MSCHK and I was serving on the MSCHK Committee. He was a real gentleman who was well-liked and respected by all who met him. If I remember correctly he had two sons, Edward and Arthur (twins?) who occasionally came to some of the MSCHK sporting events so we may have met before! If I remember correctly he worked for a Dutch shipping company (Nedlloyd?)

Thanks for the information Mr. Lamont.

My brother Arthur is 15 months older, but mom used to dress us alike so people think we are twins... Both of us are residing in Canada and both have two sons (must be genetic). I regret not spending more time with Uncle Chen as he used to take Arthur and I to go-kart races after my dad passed away. He was a kind man. Dad used to work for the Royal InterOcean Lines in North Point which is now NedLloyd. If my memory serves me correctly, I remember Dad raced a Nissan skyline (or something similar) in 69 or 70. Most of my dad's racing photos was lost when we immigrated to Canada in 1980.

Thank you also to Mr. Cox, I ordered Philip Newsome's book from the UK (per your link) and it just arrived yesterday.

[roundel]

Hi Phillip,
I used to know Colin Green (Cathay Pacific flight engineer if I recall correctly...) as I used to help him with parts for the BMW. As I recall he fitted the carbs to the car in early 90`s. Sorry I can`t tell you anything else about the car.

As there seems to be a lot of knowledge about the racing scene in Asia in the `70`s on this thread I am hoping someone car help me with some info. I am involved with an Alpina BMW CSL which raced in Indonesia in 1975 & am trying to find out why it went there as so far as I can see there were no permanent circuits in the country at that time. The car returned to Europe in `76 and went on to win the ETCC in `77 & `79. But this period of it`s history is a mystery.
Appreciate even the smallest details.

Regards Alex.

[Frank de Jong]

Are you sure the car turned up in Indonesia at all? I recall that Faltz Alpina built a car early in 1975 which should have gone to Indonisia but the money didn't turn up so the car was used in Europe after all; which came in handy since IIRC Harald Grohs totalled two cars early in the season.

Edited by Frank de Jong, 31 May 2009 - 08:38.

[roundel]

Are you sure the car turned up in Indonesia at all? I recall that Faltz Alpina built a car early in 1975 which should have gone to Indonisia but the money didn't turn up so the car was used in Europe after all; which came in handy since IIRC Harald Grohs totalled two cars early in the season.

Hi Frank,
The car we are speaking of was the black car Alpina built in `74 but did not use. There are very few pictures of the car, but I found one or two.
My understanding is that Faltz were going to use this car for Grohs but Alpina sold the car to Indonesia instead. Grohs then used the ex Peltier CSL from `74 and as you say crashed it (but it still lives today...). The black CSL returned from Indonesia in `76 and Alpina told me they rebuilt it into the green Gosser CSL of `77.
I think there is a connection with the royal family in Indonesia as in `77 they bought the Schnitzer Gr 5 Gosser CSL for I think the prince to drive in the Indonesian GP.

Any info would be helpful.

Alex

[Jayne Moorat]

I've just remembered the name of Jan Bussell's co driver in the Mercedes that finished 3rd in the 1969 Macau Guia "101" endurance race. It is Ted Moorat, an army major who competed in the Motor Sports Club of Hong Kong events. He was a good rally driver.

Hi Angus,

My dad Ted Moorat was indeed a very good rally driver. Sadly he died in 1998 on his 70th birthday. I was led to this site after a google search and couldn't resist posting. I remember your name, although I was only a young teenager in the in the early 70's, and had so much fun at the MSCHK meetings and events. My mum Kate (Kathleen) also took part in the motor sports events loved participating. She's 87 this year!

D-Type - Duncan,

my dad was E F E Moorat, and he did take part in the 1965 Safari with Chris Little. Driving with Team Harper in 1972 in the Rothman's Rally in HK which he helped to organise, was attended by professional drivers such as Roger Clark (known to us as Uncle Roger!), Timo Makinen "the Flying Finn", and Henry Liddon.

The good old days!

Jayne