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[David M. Kane]

In the current issue of Motor Sport there is a story on JP Jarier. In a sidebar he tells two stories about poached racing purses. One involves a
Brian Kreisky and a non-championship race at Oulton Park in 1971. The second involves Max Moseley at Monza. In both cases they grabbed the money before he got there. How and why would the organizers turn the money over
them unless they were the entrants? Secondly, JP had been a law student, surely he wasn't that naive to just sign everything over to them without
it. If this happen to me I would been unforgiveably pissed which I guess is
so American of me. Yet, the very next year he was the lead driver on March's F2 Team. Does anyone have a clearer understanding of what REALLY happened in these two cases.

Lastly, who is Brian Kreisky?

[ghinzani]

Originally posted by David M. Kane
In the current issue of Motor Sport there is a story on JP Jarier. In a sidebar he tells two stories about poached racing purses. One involves a
Brian Kreisky and a non-championship race at Oulton Park in 1971. The second involves Max Moseley at Monza. In both cases they grabbed the money before he got there. How and why would the organizers turn the money over
them unless they were the entrants? Secondly, JP had been a law student, surely he wasn't that naive to just sign everything over to them without
it. If this happen to me I would been unforgiveably pissed which I guess is
so American of me. Yet, the very next year he was the lead driver on March's F2 Team. Does anyone have a clearer understanding of what REALLY happened in these two cases.

Lastly, who is Brian Kreisky?

Is Brian Kreisky the guy who died in a plane crash last year who made the Havoc videos?

[WGD706]

Brian Kreisky .........Barry Boor could fill you in on him.
http://8w.forix.com/connew.html

"Somewhere along the way, Peter had contacted a guy named Brian Kreisky (whose uncle I believe, remarkably, was President of Austria at one time). Kreisky ran a sponsorship agency called Promoto, which set out to put drivers with money in touch with teams who had none, and vice versa. Through Brian, around Easter in 1972 we had a visit from a group of Frenchmen who were interested in furthering the career of their driver Francois Migault."
http://members.atlas...boor/story2.htm


Titles directed by Brian Kreisky:
http://www.blackstar...n/7100000006849

[Vrba]

Originally posted by WGD706
Brian Kreisky .........Barry Boor could fill you in on him.
http://8w.forix.com/connew.html

"Somewhere along the way, Peter had contacted a guy named Brian Kreisky (whose uncle I believe, remarkably, was President of Austria at one time). ....[/url]

Bruno Kreisky was Austria's chancellor (equivalent of prime minister), not a president. President is more-less a honorary function while chancellor is of much more importance.
Were the two really related, I don't know. Anyhow, name "Brian" doesn't sound German.... :-)

Hrvoje

[Geza Sury]

Originally posted by David M. Kane
Lastly, who is Brian Kreisky?

IIRC Kreisky not only directed, but commentated a lot of his works. I think he did one hour reviews of the World Rally Championship rounds for Sky Channel back in 1989/90, which was shown in the 'Shell Motorsport Report' in every Sunday. This programme covered the European F3000 series as well.

[RJH]

Brian Kreisky set up Promoto to rival Motor Race Consultants. In those days individual drivers or teams had to negotiate their own 'start money'. Motor Race Consultants set up by Paul Watson and Peter Gaydon took over this task for a percentage, managers really. They could negotiate start money, book hotels, repatriate injured drivers etc. Very good at it they were too!
Kreisky set up a rival operation, cherry picking the wealthy drivers and promissing the earth. He had very good contacts inside Autosport, so his drivers had exceptional coverage at times
As the notional manager of Jarier its likely he would have collected the start money and any prize money from the organisers immediately after the race because it wasn't unknown for the organisers to head for the hills with the loot before they had to pay up.
One racket in France was to pay everyone with cheques that could only be cashed at the local bank. It didn't open till Monday morning so everyone stayed over an extra night. More money for the local economy!
We were all caught at times, but Motor Race Consultants, Brian Kreisky, and Goodwin Racing Services certainly eased a lot of the hassles.

[nigel5]

Hy,

I was told that Jean-Pierre made a test for Williams in 1981, I think on the Dijon track.

Does anyone possess a PIC of Jean-Pierre on board driving the 81's Williams ?
Does anyone know his laps times ?

Thanks a lot.

[Théodore33]

I think "JP" drove the 81's williams on the Paul Ricard track ?

I am not sure...

This year he missed two time the 82's second seat !!!

Poor Jarier, after Ferrari, Lotus, one more drive missed

Nevertheless, he was he really GREAT driver

[Théodore33]

"Godasse de plomb" testing a Williams-Ford in 1981. He has his chance to be a Williams driver if Carlos Reutemann withdrew at the end of 1981. Unfortunatly, he made two races in 1982...


From : gdecarli.it

[Mallory Dan]

Now there's a thought. Could Jumper have won the title in '82, as Keke did, in the Willys I wonder ? Did he have the confidence/mental strength to have done enough, within that team, against that opposition, and with that car to have triumphed?

I have my doubts, on the character as opposed to ability, side of things.

[ian senior]

Originally posted by Mallory Dan
Now there's a thought. Could Jumper have won the title in '82, as Keke did, in the Willys I wonder ? Did he have the confidence/mental strength to have done enough, within that team, against that opposition, and with that car to have triumphed?

I have my doubts, on the character as opposed to ability, side of things.

I agree. There was something incredibly frustrating, from a spectator's point of view, about Jumper. You could put him in a new car with a new team and he would look like the Next Big Thing - incredibly quick. And then, after a short while, he would go off the boil and just look like any other jorneyman.


I can't help feeling that there was something very complex in his character make-up. Perhaps he loved a new challenge and would come to a team full of enthusiasm; then it just came to an end when possibly the everyday grind of testing became a chore. Perhaps he just had a low boredom threshold. I don't know.

Whatever it was, and as someone who thought he was a good driver when he first came to prominence, , he flattered to deceive more often than not.

[Mallory Dan]

Ian, agree completely, his "Ever Changing Moods" probably....

[Yorgos]

There is a story I haven't read before http://f1mordus.ique..._francoisv2.htm on an all-Shadow shootout at Laguna Seca in October 1974. JPJ and James Hunt in two DN3s raced against Follmer and Oliver in two DN4s. It's in French though.

Regards
Yorgos

[chofar]

I saw him at a FIA-GT race at Magny-Cours in 2002. He ran a Viper. The car failed to start correctly, so JPJ was soon to be lapped by the leaders...what was done without any obstruction. But Jarier stayed just behind the leaders (Lister and Larbre Viper) and maintained the same pace during an hour, with a car that was not built up to the same standards. By doing this he made a beautiful race towards the top, but his car soon suffered some fatal transmission troubles, which was quite normal when you saw the way he drove it for a moment. It seemed like a tardive but pertinent sum-up of his carreer. Anyway, in any car, he is still a man to watch. I can not forget either the 2 first Grand Prix of 1975.

[wildman]

Originally posted by Yorgos
There is a story I haven't read before http://f1mordus.ique..._francoisv2.htm on an all-Shadow shootout at Laguna Seca in October 1974. JPJ and James Hunt in two DN3s raced against Follmer and Oliver in two DN4s. It's in French though.

I remember this exhibition as it was the first time I'd ever seen an F1 car in person. The Can-Am series had pretty much fizzled and Laguna Seca had switched its traditional October marquee event to an F5000 weekend. Don Nichols put together the F1 vs. Can-Am battle as a way to get a little more mileage for his UOP backers, following the abbreviated five-race Can-Am season. Jumper easily outran the DN4s at Laguna, and I seem to recall that a second Shadow match race was run at Riverside a week or two later.

[Théodore33]

Jean-Pierre at Zandvoort in 1982 :



From : www.racehistorie.nl

Jean-Pierre at Long Beach 1977 with the ATS Penske



From : www.pacocostas.com

[Bonde]

One is reminded of how little separated the driver from the accident in many, if not most, of those ground-effects cars - not surprising that Palletti stood little chance in that flimsy Osella chassis when he hit Pironi's stationary Ferrari in its rather more solid hind quarters. Jumper was so lucky not to hit anything hard when the Osella lost that wheel later in the season...

And wasn't that Penske just a beautiful car - until Mssrs. Schmid and Herd subjected it to several 'treatments' of 'orrible plastic surgery...

[Nikos Spagnol]

Originally posted by Bonde
One is reminded of how little separated the driver from the accident in many, if not most, of those ground-effects cars - not surprising that Palletti stood little chance in that flimsy Osella chassis when he hit Pironi's stationary Ferrari in its rather more solid hind quarters. Jumper was so lucky not to hit anything hard when the Osella lost that wheel later in the season...

Indeed. It always amazes me that Paletti was doing "only" some 100 mph (160 - 170 kph) when he crashed Pironi. Even by low 1982 standarts, a 100 mph impact was survivable at most occasions.

Of course, the speed of impact itself may not means too much, but the angle of deceleration, and the rigidity of the "obstacule" hit.

And, contrary to popular belief, Paletti was not "burnt to death", but killed on the initial impact. "Jumper", his teammate, promptly withdrew and was not present on the re-start.

By the remainder of the year, Osella never field a second car.

[Stefan Schmidt]

I saw Jarier last weekend in Reims but didn't talk to him. One day I must have some words with JPJ

[f1steveuk]

Originally posted by Nikos Spagnol


Indeed. It always amazes me that Paletti was doing "only" some 100 mph (160 - 170 kph) when he crashed Pironi. Even by low 1982 standarts, a 100 mph impact was survivable at most occasions.

Of course, the speed of impact itself may not means too much, but the angle of deceleration, and the rigidity of the "obstacule" hit.

And, contrary to popular belief, Paletti was not "burnt to death", but killed on the initial impact. "Jumper", his teammate, promptly withdrew and was not present on the re-start.

By the remainder of the year, Osella never field a second car.

Sid Watkins told me that Paletti died beacuse he hit the Ferrari straight on, and this pushed the steering coloumn back. He died because the steering wheel boss crushed his chest.

[Fiorentina 1]

Originally posted by Stefan Schmidt
I saw Jarier last weekend in Reims but didn't talk to him. One day I must have some words with JPJ

What is he up to these days? One of my heros; always on the gas and willing to drive anything any day!

[Stefan Schmidt]

I will post a photo soon ;)

[zoff2005]

Originally posted by Fiorentina 1


What is he up to these days? One of my heros; always on the gas and willing to drive anything any day!

I think he has gone back to his original occupation of journalism - he can be seen wandering about Monaco quite often. He even interviewed me at the Historic GP for some TV programme in 2004. He sat in the Lotus 18 I was about to drive and said to the camera that he had started in one (this would have been a FJ version at the Winfield school back in 1963/64), then concluded his speech saying how dangerous these historic cars were compared to modern cars - I remember hoping my wife wasn't watching the programme!

All the best
Marcus

[Stefan Schmidt]

Originally posted by Stefan Schmidt
I will post a photo soon ;)

You will find the Jean-Pierre Jarier photo in this Youtube Film:

[Wilyman]

Jean-Pierre Jarrier's name will be found in the credits for the film "Ronin". Stunt driver.

[Stefan Schmidt]

Originally posted by Wilyman
Jean-Pierre Jarrier's name will be found in the credits for the film "Ronin". Stunt driver.

http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0418706/

[MCS]

I've noticed recently that in J-P's early races he was regularly entered as Jarrier, not Jarier.

What is the correct spelling ?

[COUGAR508]

Originally posted by MCS
I've noticed recently that in J-P's early races he was regularly entered as Jarrier, not Jarier.

What is the correct spelling ?

I'm pretty sure that the correct spelling is JARIER.

[MCS]

So was I, but why he is entered as "Jarrier" in most of his early F3 races ??

[RA Historian]

Probably just sloppy name transcription in the early days entry lists and results. Look over such lists in various publications early in a driver's career and you will find many errors. Having spent several years as a field staffer for SCCA Pro Racing I can tell you that the input into the T/S data base is often hurried and haphazard. After a while such errors, if not corrected immediately, seem to get "baked in", and fiction becomes fact.

On a similar note, my lovely wife gave me the 1955 "Automobile Year" (although it was known by a slightly different name then) as a birthday present. She found it somewhere in Europe in E bay. While flipping through it I see where a "Jim" Brabham made his debut in a Cooper in the 1955 British GP. There you go...

Tom

[Gerard Gamand]

Definitively, the correct spelling is Jean-Pierre JARIER

[MCS]

1977 British GP, Silverstone - ATS (Penske PC4/02)...