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#1 AndreasNystrom

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Posted 10 March 2003 - 15:47

Every timing from the race ive read says "BL : RAIKKONEN 1'27.724"

Did Schumachers fastest lap not count, or was he infact not the fastest?

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#2 rich42

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Posted 10 March 2003 - 15:57

MS posted some fastest laps early on, but as Raikkonen headed towards his stop in the race (rather than before it started), he put in a series of fastest laps, which remained unbeaten. On Wednesday, AtlasF1 should (hopefully) have a full breakdown of lap times throughout the race if you're interested...btw, can anyone confirm that this will be included as it was in previous seasons?

#3 AndreasNystrom

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Posted 10 March 2003 - 19:09

www.f1live.com has posted some nice data :

The fastest laps in the race:

1. Kimi Raikkonen - 1'27"724 - lap 32
2. Michael Schumacher - 127"759 - lap 27
3. Juan Pablo Montoya - 1'27"942 - lap 39
4. Fernando Alonso - 1'28"170 - lap 35
5. David Coulthard - 1'28"272 - lap 28
6. Jenson Button - 1'28"600 - lap 57
7. Ralf Schumacher - 1'28"617 - lap 37
8. Jarno Trulli - 1'28"638 - lap 44
9. Jacques Villeneuve - 1'28"770 - lap 57
10. Heinz Harald Frentzen - 1'29"096 - lap 35
11. Antonio Pizzonia - 1'29"217 - lap 37
12. Giancarlo Fisichella - 1'29"274 - lap 49
13. Olivier Panis - 1'29"694 - lap 23
14. Mark Webber - 1'29"697 - lap 14
15. Jos Verstappen - 1'31"785 - lap 29
16. Justin Wilson - 1'33"139 - lap 13
17. Nick Heidfeld - 1'33"519 - lap 14
18. Cristiano Da Matta - 1'33"753 - lap 7
19. Ralph Firman - 1'36"644 - lap 6
20. Rubens Barrichello - 137"066 - lap 5

Pit stops and their duration:

1. Kimi Raikkonen - lap 32: 28"877 - lap 39: 14"699 (penalty)
2. Michael Schumacher - lap 7: 31"490 - lap 29: 26"060 - lap 46: 26"463
3. Juan Pablo Montoya - lap 17: 26"782 - lap 42: 25"135
4. Fernando Alonso - lap 10: 28"606 - lap 42: 25"269
5. David Coulthard - lap 2: 24"591 - lap 32: 28"352
6. Jenson Button - lap 5: 24"144 - lap 25: 44"291 - lap 39: 25"625
7. Ralf Schumacher - lap 17: 40"515 - lap 41: 26"039
8. Jarno Trulli - lap 17: 27"757 - lap 45: 24"729
9. Jacques Villeneuve - lap 4: 25"720 - lap 25: 31"230 - lap 41: 26"134
10. Heinz Harald Frentzen - lap 6: 27"516 - lap 36: 27"758
11. Antonio Pizzonia - lap 8: 32"893 - lap 39: 28"896
12. Giancarlo Fisichella - lap 8: 29"533 - lap 33: 41"765
13. Olivier Panis - lap 8: 28"585 - lap 30: 14"862 (penalty)
14. Mark Webber - no pit stops (retired on lap 16)
15. Jos Verstappen - lap 31: 38"452
16. Justin Wilson - lap 8: 26"599
17. Nick Heidfeld - lap 7: 27"059
18. Cristiano Da Matta - no pit stops (retired on lap 8)
19. Ralph Firman - no pit stops (retired on lap 7)
20. Rubens Barrichello - no pit stops (retired on lap 6)

Top remarks goes to Kimi and Alonso and McLaren and Renault :)

#4 PeppeF1

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Posted 10 March 2003 - 19:37

1. Raikkonen.......... 1.27.724 lap 32, pitted on lap 33
2. Raikkonen.......... 1.27.737 lap 30, pitted on lap 33
3. M Schumacher.... 1.27.759 lap 27, pitted on lap 29
4. Raikkonen.......... 1.27.864 lap 31, pitted on lap 33
5. M Schumacher.... 1.27.900 lap 43, pitted on lap 46
6. Montoya............. 1.27.964 lap 39, pitte don lap 42

#5 Enkei

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Posted 10 March 2003 - 20:15

http://www.tagheuer....edia/gpdata.lbl

And go to Complete results race, Official print out, you can get all the data you can imagine :)

#6 tillster

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Posted 10 March 2003 - 21:41

Pretty impressive from Alonso :up:

The Renault vs BAR comnparison is also quite interesting

Alsonso's PB was on lap 35 - 128.170. He subsequently stopped on lap 42
Jenson's PB was on lap 57 - 128.600

From what I read, many people - myself included - had been pretty impressed with the BAR's pace, not withstanding the off-target pit stop strategy

However, that is a country mile between the two.

I'm not saying that too much can be read into the stat, but for all the talk of who is the fourth best team, Renault must be looking forward to a race that is not screwed up with unstable weather and saftery cars

#7 baddog

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Posted 10 March 2003 - 21:50

who said MS set the fastest lap?

what he DID do was set a sequence of amazing laps with a damaged car while chasing kimi late in the race, and was fastest on track AT THAT POINT. While the damage was his fault, it does show the 'never say die' attitude that has made him so succesful.

Shaun

#8 Earthling

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Posted 10 March 2003 - 21:55

He might have set the fastest lap if Kimi wasnt in front of him. He couldnt pass him so he pit a little earlier when he still had fuel onboard.

Maybe he could have, maybe he couldnt have....who knows.

#9 Jacaré

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Posted 11 March 2003 - 01:16

Originally posted by Earthling
He might have set the fastest lap if Kimi wasnt in front of him. He couldnt pass him so he pit a little earlier when he still had fuel onboard.

Maybe he could have, maybe he couldnt have....who knows.

as a hint, the laps Michael did after his pitstop when he had full tanks, new tires and free track
lap 31: 1:28.066
lap 32: 1:30.392 (He did something wrong or was heldup behind Fisi??)
lap 33: 1:28.222
lap 34: 1:28.687 (held up a bit behind HHF)

with fuel load Michael could almost do 1:28.000 lap, surely with light fuel load he would have gone much faster than the 1:27.724 Fastest lap.

#10 MaxScelerate

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Posted 11 March 2003 - 02:27

Originally posted by tillster


I'm not saying that too much can be read into the stat, but for all the talk of who is the fourth best team, Renault must be looking forward to a race that is not screwed up with unstable weather and saftery cars


You sure of that? While the yellow flags didn't really play in their favour, I'd think that the 4-5 laps of '3 seconds advantage' that Michelin provided all its teams with at the start of the race would have made up for that, no? I mean, that was crazy seeing all the M-shod teams ripping thru the field :eek: ...

#11 MR Speed

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Posted 11 March 2003 - 02:41

"He might have set the fastest lap if Kimi wasnt in front of him. He couldnt pass him so he pit a little earlier when he still had fuel onboard.


true but sometimes it works both ways... .

If a faster car is chasing you sometimes the driver in the lead cannot go as fast as he can either as we have seen many a time... .


ps does anyone have any speed trap data ? the merc did not seem too shabby this weekend... .

#12 FordFan

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Posted 11 March 2003 - 04:17

I thought it interesting and encouraging that when Webber retired, only Montoya had done a faster lap. (Though, Kimi and Coulthard beat it the next lap, I think).

Shows good pace for Webber and the Jag

#13 madmac

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Posted 11 March 2003 - 11:25

Interesting piece of ammunition for the JB v JV thread that JB clocked the faster lap time ;)

#14 Jacaré

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Posted 11 March 2003 - 12:11

Originally posted by madmac
Interesting piece of ammunition for the JB v JV thread that JB clocked the faster lap time ;)

If you think JB won some sort of psychological battle with a faster lap, then why did he let JV sneak away from him on the previous lap? The BARs weren't racing and then suddenly JV does a fast laptime on lap 56. Jenson responds on lap 57 but it's too late, since the final lap was 58. Let's just hope Honda produces an engine that can be pushed for the whole race, not just for a few laps. JV had JB under control, the difference in lap 57 times was only a couple of tenths, when JV had a lead of one and half seconds.

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Posted 11 March 2003 - 12:26

Jacaré

lap 31: 1:28.066
lap 32: 1:30.392 (He did something wrong or was heldup behind Fisi??)
lap 33: 1:28.222
lap 34: 1:28.687 (held up a bit behind HHF)

That shows he could of done high 1.26.

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Posted 11 March 2003 - 12:27

Originally posted by Jacaré

If you think JB won some sort of psychological battle with a faster lap, then why did he let JV sneak away from him on the previous lap? The BARs weren't racing and then suddenly JV does a fast laptime on lap 56. Jenson responds on lap 57 but it's too late, since the final lap was 58. Let's just hope Honda produces an engine that can be pushed for the whole race, not just for a few laps. JV had JB under control, the difference in lap 57 times was only a couple of tenths, when JV had a lead of one and half seconds.




:D I knew my post would get someone going that wink was mean't to indicate I was joking ;)

#17 fuzzybunny

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Posted 11 March 2003 - 13:40

Originally posted by eoin
Jacaré

That shows he could of done high 1.26.


Not necessarily, you unfortunately seldom get to have low fuel AND fresh tyres at the same time.
The one kinda offsets the other.

Not that I think he wouldn't have gotten the fastest lap.

#18 Silent Bob

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Posted 12 March 2003 - 09:27

Originally posted by Jacaré

as a hint, the laps Michael did after his pitstop when he had full tanks, new tires and free track
lap 31: 1:28.066
lap 32: 1:30.392 (He did something wrong or was heldup behind Fisi??)
lap 33: 1:28.222
lap 34: 1:28.687 (held up a bit behind HHF)

MS went off onto the grass at the Clark chicane on lap 32 - from trackside it was obvious he was pushing really hard before Kimi stopped.

#19 Jacaré

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Posted 12 March 2003 - 11:50

Originally posted by Silent Bob

MS went off onto the grass at the Clark chicane on lap 32 - from trackside it was obvious he was pushing really hard before Kimi stopped.

thanks, it wasn't shown on television, only a spectator at the track could have seen this!