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[McLaren M20]

During Testing for this years upcoming MotoGP Seson Loris Capirossi on a Ducati was timed at 202.5 MPH on the front Straight at the Catalunya race track in Spain. Does anyone what the fastest trap speed was for last years F1 race in Spain ?

[jimm]

Looks like it was around 320KPH or ~198MPH

[jimm]

Of course the big difference is in the corners where the bikes are much slower. The thinner vehicle and less weight (actually, the power to wieght is about the same) is offset by the lack of downforce. Usually the bikes are about 10-20 seconds slower/lap.

[madmac]

202 MPH I mean 202 MPH not bad for Dukes GP's bike & to go faster in a straight line than an F1 car bloody hell, but I would like to see lap time compared with F1 machinery.

[schuy]

Originally posted by madmac
202 MPH I mean 202 MPH not bad for Dukes GP's bike & to go faster in a straight line than an F1 car bloody hell, but I would like to see lap time compared with F1 machinery.

Let's see the MOTOGP's keep in touch with the F1 cars in the corners.
Not a chance...

[control]

I was just wondering, if a F1 car was set up purely for strait line speed, would it be as fast as a GP bike?

[sylvan]

Originally posted by control
I was just wondering, if a F1 car was set up purely for strait line speed, would it be as fast as a GP bike?

Easily. The straightline speed of the F1 cars at Barcelona is about 25 mph slower than their Monza trap speeds, so Monza shows what they can do when trimmed out. The outright lap record for the GP bikes is about 29 seconds slower than the F1 record at Barcelona, and they're only a few mph faster on the straight.

[schuy]

Originally posted by control
I was just wondering, if a F1 car was set up purely for strait line speed, would it be as fast as a GP bike?

The bikes have much better aerodynamics, but their power is not enough grunt to push them beyond those speeds.

[Jacaré]

Kimi set the fastest speed in that race, it was set after his rear wing fell off, 324.1kph

[McLaren M20]

On the second day of testing Loris Capirossi set the fastest lap time and trap speed at 204 MPH. For his efforts Capirossi won a new BMW Car MotoGP is going to be very interesting this year with Ducati battling Honda and Yamaha.

[SlateGray]

Originally posted by schuy


The bikes have much better aerodynamics, but their power is not enough grunt to push them beyond those speeds.

Not true.

If an F1 car is trimmed out (set for min downforce) it has a much lower CD than a Motorcycle.

[schuy]

From what I've read(Kawasaki material) that would be impossible.

But I'd be happy if you would show me the truth.

[Scoots]

Originally posted by schuy


The bikes have much better aerodynamics, but their power is not enough grunt to push them beyond those speeds.

I would ask what you mean by "better"? I bet Rory and Adrian would say that downforce with low drag is much more important that just low drag. That said, the rider will always screw up the aero on bikes.

[schuy]

Well, when we are talking about top-speed, drag is the important subject.

Thanks for pointing out my innacuracy, I felt I had missed something.

[molive]

I have a vid of a Suzuki Hayabusa (1300cc) doing 360Km/h on the road. 330Km in a race-built Ducati doesn't impress me that much.

Still, Kudos to those who have the balls to do it.

[100cc]

Originally posted by molive

Still, Kudos to those who have the balls to do it.

Pah, going fast in a straight line doesn't require balls!! Its the corners where they're need them.

[schuy]

Originally posted by 100cc


Pah, going fast in a straight line doesn't require balls!! Its the corners where they're need them.

But still, I'd imagine riding such a thing at such high speed must be quite the hairy moment?

[HKUSP40C]

Originally posted by molive
I have a vid of a Suzuki Hayabusa (1300cc) doing 360Km/h on the road. 330Km in a race-built Ducati doesn't impress me that much.

Still, Kudos to those who have the balls to do it.

I have a video of my neighbor's 490 rear wheel horsepower turbo hayabusa doing 227 mph on the highway. Crazy.

[100cc]

Originally posted by schuy


But still, I'd imagine riding such a thing at such high speed must be quite the hairy moment?

Hairy perhaps, but from personal experience I can tell you that 110kph in a kart feels a lot faster than 220kph on a bike.

doing 300kph+ is a different story however.

and going that fast on public roads is just plain stupid!

[molive]

Originally posted by 100cc


Pah, going fast in a straight line doesn't require balls!! Its the corners where they're need them.

The guy was one-wheeling the thing up to 260Km/h that's either big balls or plain stupid, pick your choice.

[FucF1]

"During the race Jim Moodie became the 1st rider to hit 200 mph (320 km/h) on the straight towards the University."

http://www.irishroad...y/history98.htm

Riders are occasionally doing 200mph+ at the North-West 200. Motorbike Road Racing, think Isle of Man TT, *real* motorsport

[Scoots]

The fact that someone did 227 or more on a Hayabusa means very little in comparison ... that 450+hp 'Busa would find it hard to do 205 on a race track. There isn't enough room to accellerate for a bike that doesn't handle and come out of the corner well, and getting a tire to hook up that well would be hard. MotoGP bikes are tire limited, not engine limited.

[HKUSP40C]

And I'm sure the extended swing-arm doesn't help handling either. Anyways, I wasn't trying to compare, molive's post just reminded me of the insane power that his bike is making.

[Scoots]

Having ridden a turbo 'Busa I know what you are talking about! But at a track my buddies Aprilia 250 is faster than the turbo 'Busa ... well, depending on the track!