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[Enkei]

http://www.atlasf1.c.../id/10002/.html

[KinetiK]

so, Raikkonen will qual first and one of those loser guys will qualify last? cool?

[LB]

other way round

[Enkei]

If the qualifying does not go ahead as planned the Saturday qualifying, which will decide the grid for Sunday's race, will be run in reverse Championship order with those with no points running based on number of laps completed.

So it says

[just me again]

http://www.pitpass.c...cfm?newsid=5461

According to this and news on atlasf1.com drivers want qual. cancelled. I think this is ridiculus, ofcourse they can drive in the wet, they are sopposed to be the best 20 drivers in the world, and it is also no reason that Michelin/Bridgestone has brought the wrong wet tyres, they know the rules,

Bjørn

[KinetiK]

seeing as first qual appears to be going ahead anyway... I still am confused by the news... reverse order should mean Raikkonen first and loser last.;)

[Arrow]

pathetic.

if your scared of going off just drive slower.
Typical attitude for todays drivers though.

[Enkei]

Originally posted by KinetiK
seeing as first qual appears to be going ahead anyway... I still am confused by the news... reverse order should mean Raikkonen first and loser last.;)

No, reversed ChampShip order means that Räikkönen, who is leading at the moment will be last to go out in quali. Reversed, the other way around, you see

[fullcourseyellow]

boo
Why are they complaining? They're running alone. They won't be blinded by the spray! What more do they want?

[KinetiK]

Originally posted by Enkei


No, reversed ChampShip order means that Räikkönen, who is leading at the moment will be last to go out in quali. Reversed, the other way around, you see

ahh... see, I'm easily stunned and take a while to recover... haha

[nigel red5]

Okay, just heard from Pizzonia, talking to Italian tv.
70% of the drivers signed a document to cancel qual due to unsafe conditions... Michael, Rubens, David & Pizzonia definitely signed it

[Arrow]

are the conditions that bad still?

[Enkei]

Here's the article from www.pitpass.com ,

As rain continues to fall in Sao Paulo, there is an increasingly strong move against qualifying this afternoon.
David Coulthard, Jarno Trulli and Juan Pablo Montoya are among those who are trying to get today's qualifying session cancelled as they haven't done enough laps in the rain, and the tyres brought by their respective tyre companies are unsuitable for the current conditions.

Both Michelin and Bridgestone have brought tyres that are at best 'shallow rain tyres' in Michelin's case, and intermediates in Bridgestone's. They are only allowed to bring one type of wet tyre, according to the new rules put forward by the teams back in November. However, the conditions call for full wet tyres, and the drivers are saying that trying to qualify in these conditions would be dangerous.

Qualifying is due to start at 2pm local time and at present, Kimi Raikkonen will be first out when the session opens. Indeed, the Finn was first out on the soaking track this morning in practice, and promptly spun after doing just one corner - in the pit lane. Other spinners included Heinz-Harald Frentzen and Justin Wilson while Antonio Pizzonia hit both barriers as he lost control out of the first corner complex.

The drivers are mindful that they have to put on a show and there are suggestions that they would just practice for the TV cameras, but the suggestion is that they have to qualify at 2pm, unless the stewards reverse the decision. And there are always likely to be one or two drivers who are happy to do their best in the conditions. But it does look as though this could be the drivers' first challenge to the new rules - although in this case, the rule to bring only one tyre was actually proposed by the teams rather than being included in Max Mosley's sweeping changes in January.

So, DC, JPM, JT, MS, RB, AP and probably KR and RF have chosen not to drive.

[majosab]

any official statement yet?

[nigel red5]

Hey get this.... As i look at live pics the rain has now stopped!
Maybe we`ll get this thing underway later on!

[Mammoth]

Originally posted by Arrow
pathetic.

if your scared of going off just drive slower.
Typical attitude for todays drivers though.

I second that!

With the previous qualifying format I would have understood... but now??

[Enkei]

I have not seen any images of the current state of the track. But I can imagine that drivers do not want to push on their mediocre wet tyres. If the conditions really are monsoon like, I think the decision not to drive is not a bad one. I do think that we should get an additional one hour extra practice session instead of qualifying.

[nigel red5]

Trulli saying now that he found it impossible to drive even in a straight line....

[Arrow]

Why cant they just delay it for 30min or so.

That would make too much sense i guess.

Hooray for the new circus rules

[mclarensmps]

depressing that we are fans of such cowards

[RaymondMays]

Are we going to have a situation where some of the drivers like Button, Villeneuve, Wilson, Verstappen all go and do the qualifying, and some of the others don't?

That would mix things up a bit...

[mika911]

I know....delay it 1 or 2 hours if you have to!

[Smooth]

For all of you cheering the new rules of late, how do you like this twist? I find it absurd thast the FIA continues to press the HANS devices, and then tells the tire manufacturers they can't bring a tire suitable, and safe, for these conditions. What a ****ing joke F1 is becoming.

[Enkei]

Originally posted by nigel red5
Trulli saying now that he found it impossible to drive even in a straight line....

I understand what he means. The bumps at interlagos make it extra tricky in the rain, let alone when there is so much water on track a car start aquaplanning at 250 Km/h.

[mika911]

I'm so nervous....i want to see some action today.

I sure hope we find out something soon.

[TAB666]

Originally posted by fullcourseyellow
boo
Why are they complaining? They're running alone. They won't be blinded by the spray! What more do they want?

Think like this. BS and michelin have tires that are ( or close to ) intermediate. If it rains hard the car will be aquaplaning at 150kph ( maybe somewhat higher but not high enough).
Ofcourse the drivers can drive around in second gear you to do a lap .....
But that isnt racing or even qualifying. So i can understand them ..... the thing i dont understand is the new rain tire rule

[mika911]

I don't care how wet it is, it is single-car, drive around at 10kph, if you still go off, so be it! haha.

[nigel red5]

It`s raining again....not very heavy but it is raining.

[Arrow]

Originally posted by nigel red5
Trulli saying now that he found it impossible to drive even in a straight line....

Didint stop him from putting in some really fast lap and sector times though.

[mika911]

the new rain tire rule is rediculous. if they are only want to take one tire, then the FIA should make both suppliers take full wets, so that this can not happen.

[mtl'78]

Pfff, this is more evidence of the pussyfication of the F1 grid, last in evidence at Monza 2001. Do your 1 freaking lap.

[just me again]

That the Tyres is unsuitibable is not FIA´s problem, what if Bridgestone has brought a monsoon tyre and Michelin a nearly Intermidiate tyre, what then!!. The tyre companies have brought the tyres they found best according to the rules, and it suck bigtime if they can decide by bringing the wrong tyres if a qaul is run or not
Bjørn

[da Silva]

Originally posted by Smooth
For all of you cheering the new rules of late, how do you like this twist? I find it absurd thast the FIA continues to press the HANS devices, and then tells the tire manufacturers they can't bring a tire suitable, and safe, for these conditions. What a ****ing joke F1 is becoming.

[mika911]

but I understand the tire people wanted to only bring 1 tire this year for wet conditions and they were the one pushing this new rule.

So, if this rule exists, they should both be forced to bring full wets OR have their drivers not complain when it rains! haha.

[Smooth]

Originally posted by just me again
That the Tyres is unsuitibable is not FIA´s problem

Yes, it is. What is wrong with allowing a dry, intermediate and wet? The FIA created this cluster****. Glad to see it backfire.

As for the 'pussyfication' of the grid, if you want to see them go out and either drive around at 50mph, or go off into a wall, have at it. But I don't blame the drivers all that much..... if they had wet tires, and were still whining, I would be fully with that sentiment. But given the circumstance, I understand their position.

[nigel red5]

Everyone out the back of the garages is moving away, towards the front and the pitlane.....as if normality is happening.... The paddock is now much less people in it than a few min ago...

[Enkei]

5 Minutes to go :

[mika911]

then why not just delay the sessoin until it can be ran? only darkness should stop it from happening soemtime today, in my opinion.

[KinetiK]

Originally posted by Smooth


Yes, it is. What is wrong with allowing a dry, intermediate and wet? The FIA created this cluster****. Glad to see it backfire.

****in eh

[Arrow]

Originally posted by mtl'78
Pfff, this is more evidence of the pussyfication of the F1 grid, last in evidence at Monza 2001. Do your 1 freaking lap.

[nigel red5]

Pics now on... Track still quite wet, but not saturated as before.
Everyone looks set to go from my view.

[HSJ]

Originally posted by Smooth
For all of you cheering the new rules of late, how do you like this twist? I find it absurd thast the FIA continues to press the HANS devices, and then tells the tire manufacturers they can't bring a tire suitable, and safe, for these conditions. What a ****ing joke F1 is becoming.

Obviously this twist sucks. However it is nothing that can't be fixed, just let them use both intermediate and full wet tyres, then it would be the same as before.

Also, like Arrow said, why can't the drivers just drive slower? IMO the pace car shouldn't come out because the track is wet. Ever. If the drivers can drive behind a pace car they can drive without it as well, just drive as slow as the pace car would, or even slower if they're real pussies.

[Arrow]

Do you expect it to start drying out during the session?
ie faster conditions for the later runners?

[PEW]

Radio5 live extra say it is going ahead

[Arrow]

Originally posted by PEW
Radio5 live extra say it is going ahead

Yay

[Smooth]

Originally posted by HSJ


Obviously this twist sucks. However it is nothing that can't be fixed, just let them use both intermediate and full wet tyres, then it would be the same as before.

Also, like Arrow said, why can't the drivers just drive slower? IMO the pace car shouldn't come out because the track is wet. Ever. If the drivers can drive behind a pace car they can drive without it as well, just drive as slow as the pace car would, or even slower if they're real pussies.

Perhaps you would enjoy watching them tiptoe around at 2/10ths. I have better things to do with an hour.

[Arrow]

Originally posted by Smooth


Perhaps you would enjoy watching them tiptoe around at 2/10ths. I have better things to do with an hour.

Then go off and do them,dont mind us

[Smooth]

Originally posted by Arrow


Then go off and do them,dont mind us

[Enkei]

It's time, is Kimi going out already?

[mtl'78]

Originally posted by Smooth


Yes, it is. What is wrong with allowing a dry, intermediate and wet? The FIA created this cluster****. Glad to see it backfire.

As for the 'pussyfication' of the grid, if you want to see them go out and either drive around at 50mph, or go off into a wall, have at it. But I don't blame the drivers all that much..... if they had wet tires, and were still whining, I would be fully with that sentiment. But given the circumstance, I understand their position.

Well I'd say you had a point if it were the race about to begin, but all they have to do is 1 lap with no traffic. If they all do 1:45's who the hell cares, if half of them spin, who the hell cares. If this qual session counted for the final grid half of these prima donnas would shut up.