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[bira]

The Seasons at a Glance have Expanded back to 1996!

A shameless self promotion - or a public service announcement?;)

Anyhow, I thought you'd like to know we now have the full GP data for all races since the beginning of 1996 - all gaps chart and race laptimes - all offered in our lovely package of Season At A Glance.

There are some remarkable gems there - Jerez 97, Hungary 98, Suzuka 2000, etc... And it cannot be found anywhere else online (that I know of).

And, as a bonus, I've also added three past classic races - the 1984 Monaco GP (Senna and Bellof fly around the soaking wet streets of Monte Carlo!); the 1993 European GP (Senna does magic at Donington); and the 1995 Belgian GP (Schumacher wins from 16th). If we find data from more classic races - we'll add them too.


For those unsubscribed and unfamiliar with the GP Data format, please go to http://www.atlasf1.com/subs - and click on "take the tour". There are sample pages there for you to view.

For those subscribed and familiar - go to go to the 2003 Season at a Glance -- there's a box at the top to jump to other seasons - and start ploughing through thousands of laptimes and dozens of charts!

Have fun!

Bira

[Viktor]

Fantastic!!

/Viktor

[Ghostrider]

statistical heaven!!

Also great to look at those old issues from 96,97. So much to read, simply awesome.

[BMW FW22]

Damn
now i'm really thinking of getting a abbo

[Tomecek]

am I dreaming?!

[baddog]

what a nice lady

[StickShift]

word up!

[Bjorn]

Schweet!

[Mammoth]

Fantastic work!

[Bex37]

Bira

Nice to see the crew at Atlas F1 are not resting on its collective laurels and that the subscription fees are being put to good use. Season at a glance is an excellent feature. Keep up the good work.

[HSJ]

Yes!

[Nikolas Garth]

Originally posted by HSJ
Yes!

Gives you the opportunity for some much needed catch up, hey?

[Mat]

MMmmmmm.....stats.

[mikedeering]

Originally posted by Nikolas Garth
Gives you the opportunity for some much needed catch up, hey?

You mean there was F1 before Kimi?

[Sir Frank]

Originally posted by mikedeering


You mean there was F1 before Kimi?

Of course there was, but definitely no F1 before HSJ


I was just about to ask about the full laptimes Atlas promissed when merging with Forix, but I havent even dreamt of getting that much.

What are the realistic chances of getting even more laptimes from the past? 1990->1995
Is it only a matter of time?

Now I feel like a true tipical consumer from the XXI century, when my original needs are satisfied, I develope new needs.

[bira]

heh

Sir Frank we won't have full seasons at the moment. Sure, if we get stuff we'll add it. For now, I am working on collecting info from specific races that I know are of interest (I really want the Dijon 79 one, for example). But whatever info we collect that is presentable and usable, we will offer.

[vtpachyderm]

This is absolutely brilliant! Its about as good as leafing through old auto magazines that you find in your closet!

My hats off to the Atlas team.

[mikedeering]

Originally posted by bira
heh

Sir Frank we won't have full seasons at the moment. Sure, if we get stuff we'll add it. For now, I am working on collecting info from specific races that I know are of interest (I really want the Dijon 79 one, for example). But whatever info we collect that is presentable and usable, we will offer.

Is the issue more about tracking the original data down or finding the time to actually format the data in a presentable fashion? I imagine it's probably a bit of both.

Regardless, the info is absolutely fantastic - especially the classic races.

Next challenge for Atlas - Nurburgring 1957

[Viss1]

Cool!

[bira]

Mike to the best of my knowledge, detailed and full laptimes do not exist *anywhere* (including in the FIA/FOA) from before the mid-60s.

With regards to your question, it's a lot of the first and very little of the second. I don't mind investing time in this and really, whatever race that is worth it and we get the data - I'll publish.

[Sir Frank]

Brilliant

I know there are laptimes in the old Olivetti timing books from the 80s but bet that they have something like this: any info without the... should not be republished...in any form.

[Mat]

Originally posted by bira
Mike to the best of my knowledge, detailed and full laptimes do not exist *anywhere* (including in the FIA/FOA) from before the mid-60s.

With regards to your question, it's a lot of the first and very little of the second. I don't mind investing time in this and really, whatever race that is worth it and we get the data - I'll publish.

I have a 2 volume set called the great encyclopedia of F1. It has the lap charts and all results from ever race 1950 onwards. Im not sure how accurate it is though.

[bira]

Mat lap charts are merely the positions of the drivers on every lap. We're talking about full laptimes of every driver on every lap.

[Mat]

yeah, me bad. It's late here you know- forgive me!

[bira]

With the help of our beloved Joao of FORIX, I've now added another classic race: the 1971 Italian Grand Prix.

This is known as the closest race ever - with only 0.01 separating the winner and the second place, and a mere 6 tenths of a second covering the top 5 finishers! Truly amazing race....

See http://www.atlasf1.c...000/season.html for the laptimes and gaps...

[mikedeering]

Bira - missing an extra zero on that link I think.

[wawawa]

Originally posted by bira
For now, I am working on collecting info from specific races that I know are of interest (I really want the Dijon 79 one, for example). But whatever info we collect that is presentable and usable, we will offer.

Thanks for the great work! Looking forward to Dijon '79. I'd like to suggest Europe '95 as well

[bira]

oops, indeed... fixed, thanks

By the way, look at this graph: http://www.atlasf1.c...raph_0000-4.png

For the entire 55 laps, these five guys were within 10 seconds of each other. More so - Hailwood, Cevert and Peterson were, from about lap 21 to the end, within 1 second of each other! How mind boggling is that? I think if I was watching F1 racing back then and was seeing this race live, I'd have gotten a heart attack

[mikedeering]

Originally posted by bira
For the entire 55 laps, these five guys were within 10 seconds of each other. More so - Hailwood, Cevert and Peterson were, from about lap 21 to the end, within 1 second of each other! How mind boggling is that? I think if I was watching F1 racing back then and was seeing this race live, I'd have gotten a heart attack

It may have been exciting, but it's not exactly chess is it?

[bira]

Originally posted by mikedeering


It may have been exciting, but it's not exactly chess is it?

I'm more a checkers person myself

[Raelene]

perfect timing - I was just sifting through all the boxes trying to find 1997 Autocourse and the race reports we used to get from Renault - saved me a hell of a lot of time!!! thanks

[Witt]

awesome stuff bira!

i just tried checking out the data from Europe 1999, and the link is wrong (it took me to the canadian GP), i did, however, find what i was looking for under the Italian GP link! 1999 might need a bit of link fixing.

[Jimmino]

Thanks for great job!!!!

[bira]

Originally posted by Witt
i just tried checking out the data from Europe 1999, and the link is wrong (it took me to the canadian GP), i did, however, find what i was looking for under the Italian GP link! 1999 might need a bit of link fixing.

Ah yes, wrong page... uploaded the correct one, thanks

[philhitchings]

Impressive as always bira

[John B]

Nice resource

Now, how about Canada, 1973?

[bira]

That's the race where they used a pace car for the first time, no? Why is it special otherwise?

[John B]

I was thinking what a mess it was - as Richie Jenkins put it in the bizzarre races thread
"there's still five drivers going around thinking that they won that day & Eppie Wietzes the safety car driver who was supposed to know, doesn't know either!" Could be race #2 corrected by Atlas?

[bira]

ok, fair enough. But I doubt I'll find that data anywhere :

[A3]

Awesome !

[skylark68]

Thanks bira - the site just keeps on getting better.

[Ric Bol]

Congratulations Bira, excellent work!

[Will]

Great site! Any chance of getting the data for Suzuka 1994? Laptimes were crucial to that race

[troyf1]

Good stuff

[Paul Heyman]

I cant say anything other than.."GREAT"!



*starts reaching for the wallet*

[pierrerossetti]

Amazing! I love statistics and this is heaven to me! Bira, why don't you pin up a picture of you right here, so that I can fall in love with you??
Pierre

[holiday]

Originally posted by pierrerossetti

Amazing! I love statistics and this is heaven to me! Bira, why don't you pin up a picture of you right here, so that I can fall in love with you??
Pierre

Yeah. Bira for Grid-Girl!

Didnt have galeforce some material of this kind? Maybe you could just ask them (given those guys are still alive).

Another good idea would be - hey just a proposal - race reports prior to the nineties. So far only grandprix.com have them and they are still hallucinating about a "gap" at Suzuka 90.

[bira]

Originally posted by holiday
Yeah. Bira for Grid-Girl!

Personally I think I'm a Goddess, just that no one seems to agree with me outside my head.

Originally posted by holiday
Didnt have galeforce some material of this kind? Maybe you could just ask them (given those guys are still alive).

To the best of my knowledge, Gale Force never had full laptimes from the races, and whatever data they got is still on display on their website.

Originally posted by holiday
Another good idea would be - hey just a proposal - race reports prior to the nineties. So far only grandprix.com have them and they are still hallucinating about a "gap" at Suzuka 90.

It would require either too much money, or too much time, or too much personnel to stage such a project. Or all of the above. And I got none of these to spare :

[philhitchings]

Oh what fun thanks all at Atlas F1

[cray]

On the subscriptions page it is advertised, that "Only Atlas F1 provides full GP data and laptimes."
There is a good reason for that : The FIA and the FOA aggresively fought for years against people, who tried to promote the sport with their individual effort and enthusiasm. The FIA states that laptimes are copyright protected !!! and are not allowed to be used by anyone without license fees.

You can read the whole story at www.galeforcef1.com

So the topic that is praised so much in this thread, a thorough analysis of a F1 race, has been presented long before by someone
compiling it with his own effort and has been crushed by the FIA in favor of a rude money making mania. Do not take part in this,
Do not buy the AtlasF1-Abo.

Bira, it's you who asked the question :
A shameless self promotion - or a public service announcement?
And the only answer possible is :

Shame on you