Why they let such an F1 hater host TSN's F1 coverage is beyond me.After what was an emotional,close-fought race,with lots of drama,he was already going on with the predictability of the result,even going so far as suggesting that it was ''unfortunate''that only 3 teams were really contesting this year.
To some,F1 is damned if they do,damned if they don't.1st time race winner's are a ''farce'',and the fastest driver winning is falling in the rut of predictability.4 winner's in 4 races and yet,already some are ready to pounce on the ''boring''angle of the sport.
MS may well battle back to win the championship[I believe he will],and the chorus will ensue about domination,boredom etc. but I for one will enjoy it all.[well,most]
Vic Rauter,the fool[part 42]
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Posted 20 April 2003 - 14:11
Vic is a talking head Jack of all trades and master of none.
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Posted 20 April 2003 - 14:14
Vic's a complete utter moron 
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Posted 20 April 2003 - 14:36
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Seams like a good choice for F1 commentatorVic Rauter is the voice of curling in Canada!
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Posted 20 April 2003 - 14:54
What bothers me the most about him (besides his inane comments...) is how slowly he speaks. Sometimes I wanna reach through the screen and give him a good throttle.....arrrrgggghhhhh....
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Posted 20 April 2003 - 15:14
Vick may or may not be alot of things but he not a F1 hater.
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Posted 20 April 2003 - 16:17
He's not passionate about it, but he doesn't have a damn clue what he's talking about during the races.
At least Gerald Donaldson has some clue.
I can't stand TSN anymore. I watch SPEED.... The SPEED commentators may pronounce every name on the grid incorrectly (Bonnakella!?) but I think they are witty and funny.
At least Gerald Donaldson has some clue.
I can't stand TSN anymore. I watch SPEED.... The SPEED commentators may pronounce every name on the grid incorrectly (Bonnakella!?) but I think they are witty and funny.
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Posted 20 April 2003 - 16:38
We definitely need a true F1 fan to commentate. I'm just not sure if this will ever happen. As I've argued before, certain circumstances make what is a naturally attractive viewing sport become unattractive to Canadians. TSN is pretty much committed to the status quo. They're happy they've got some hardcore viewers but they're not really committed to expanding this viewerbase. So they just throw any talking head at the sport. The hardcore viewers will always watch. This sort of angers me but now that TSN has the ITV feed, I find that I still prefer it to the competition.
But let me get this straight. TLC manages to revolutionize TV by actually getting people (and a substantial number of women) to watch home renovation shows and gruesome hospital trauma shows. But TSN cannot get more people to watch F1 races? It doesn't make sense. Somebody will one day take note of this, change the coverage from its emphasis on the actual race to increase its scope to include the entire weekend and driver/technology/company profiles and they'll have a winner. Imagine being able to watch a documentary such as how Toyota got to F1 directly after Saturday qualifying? Or after Friday qualifying being able to watch footage of past great races - maybe a great Senna/Mansell battle or something. I'd eat that up. I'm totally interested in the people, technology and stories that we just don't get from watching the race. And unless you are interested in all these things, you'll probably never fully understand the races. Until the time comes when somebody recognizes this, we will be stuck with Vic Rauter and any other knock-off swiss army knife of a commentator.
But let me get this straight. TLC manages to revolutionize TV by actually getting people (and a substantial number of women) to watch home renovation shows and gruesome hospital trauma shows. But TSN cannot get more people to watch F1 races? It doesn't make sense. Somebody will one day take note of this, change the coverage from its emphasis on the actual race to increase its scope to include the entire weekend and driver/technology/company profiles and they'll have a winner. Imagine being able to watch a documentary such as how Toyota got to F1 directly after Saturday qualifying? Or after Friday qualifying being able to watch footage of past great races - maybe a great Senna/Mansell battle or something. I'd eat that up. I'm totally interested in the people, technology and stories that we just don't get from watching the race. And unless you are interested in all these things, you'll probably never fully understand the races. Until the time comes when somebody recognizes this, we will be stuck with Vic Rauter and any other knock-off swiss army knife of a commentator.
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Posted 20 April 2003 - 16:39
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Originally posted by UPRC
He's not passionate about it, but he doesn't have a damn clue what he's talking about during the races.
At least Gerald Donaldson has some clue.
I can't stand TSN anymore. I watch SPEED.... The SPEED commentators may pronounce every name on the grid incorrectly (Bonnakella!?) but I think they are witty and funny.
I had the same miserable feeleing. It's pitty that TSN is incapable or unwilling to get in the front of a camera someone who is actually interested in F1, or at least comes prepared after he had done his homework.
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Posted 20 April 2003 - 16:54
Someone might want to tell Vic that Jos is pronounced Yos. Oh ya I've hated him from day one. Sometimes I just don't know how Gerry puts up with him.
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Posted 20 April 2003 - 17:08
And wasn't it great how he told all of us AFTER THE RACE that McLaren improved on their starting positions because they were on a 3 stop strategy while Ferrari had made only 2 stops during the race? 
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Posted 20 April 2003 - 17:27
Yes, Vic is an idiot! Really hard to listen to with his inane comments and incorrect assumptions. I much prefered Todd Lewis.
James Allen is only marginally better than our pal Vic. If JA continues to treat me like a clueless idiot I'll reach through the tv screen and throttle him. Anyone fancy an email campaign to ITV to replace JA??? It worked for us with TSN.
James Allen is only marginally better than our pal Vic. If JA continues to treat me like a clueless idiot I'll reach through the tv screen and throttle him. Anyone fancy an email campaign to ITV to replace JA??? It worked for us with TSN.
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Posted 20 April 2003 - 17:27
I'm convinced Vic has pictures of the boss at TSN, there is no other explanation! He is not a competent F1 commentator.
I absolutely agree with GL*'s comments. Unless TSN embraces F1 as a product to package and sell every two weeks then I'm afraid it'll be easy to drop it due to stagnant or even dropping viewership and they can't blame the sport or the viewers, and can only blame themselves from not being able to market the most watched sport after the World Cup and Olympics.
As useless as it is, they need to start covering Friday qualifying and producing some original content and get a Canadian motorsport personality on the coverage (I have no idea who) and just take it more seriously.
Otherwise I'm afraid once JV is gone, we'll lose Canadian coverage and be back to watching 1 hour tape delayed race highlights starting at 11:35pm on CBC each Sunday night with Brian Williams as the host.
I know we have Speed but I'm thinking we better see an American in F1 soon or that'll go the way of their WRC coverage.
I absolutely agree with GL*'s comments. Unless TSN embraces F1 as a product to package and sell every two weeks then I'm afraid it'll be easy to drop it due to stagnant or even dropping viewership and they can't blame the sport or the viewers, and can only blame themselves from not being able to market the most watched sport after the World Cup and Olympics.
As useless as it is, they need to start covering Friday qualifying and producing some original content and get a Canadian motorsport personality on the coverage (I have no idea who) and just take it more seriously.
Otherwise I'm afraid once JV is gone, we'll lose Canadian coverage and be back to watching 1 hour tape delayed race highlights starting at 11:35pm on CBC each Sunday night with Brian Williams as the host.
I know we have Speed but I'm thinking we better see an American in F1 soon or that'll go the way of their WRC coverage.
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Posted 20 April 2003 - 19:27
Pardon my impertinence, but I'm gonna respectfully disagree with youse. 
In part because he once travelled to NYC to try to get TSN to air coverage of a major international squash tournament, I have a soft spot for Mister Rauter.
Yes, he often comes off stiff and uninformed, but the accusation that he doesn't like F1 is completely unfair.
In fact, Farzad's suggestions that he's got compromising pics of his boss are probably close to the mark in terms of the lobbying he's likely done to keep returning as host of the F1 show.
Unfortunately, most of the network's airjocks are braindead when it comes to international sports, and all of the others except one (Joshi) are MUCH WORSE than Rauter.
Besides, you shoulda seen & heard him when he first started out!
In part because he once travelled to NYC to try to get TSN to air coverage of a major international squash tournament, I have a soft spot for Mister Rauter.
Yes, he often comes off stiff and uninformed, but the accusation that he doesn't like F1 is completely unfair.
In fact, Farzad's suggestions that he's got compromising pics of his boss are probably close to the mark in terms of the lobbying he's likely done to keep returning as host of the F1 show.
Unfortunately, most of the network's airjocks are braindead when it comes to international sports, and all of the others except one (Joshi) are MUCH WORSE than Rauter.
Besides, you shoulda seen & heard him when he first started out!
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Posted 20 April 2003 - 20:04
Maybe TSN could hire Varsha away from Speed to do the Pre and post race. Or maybe we should get the COMPLETE ITV feed! Lose both Rauter and Donaldson! I'm not a big James Allen fan but Brundle certainly makes up for him. Mind you it could be worse... we could have Jason Priestly doing it.
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we could have Jason Priestly doing it.
Oh God, I forgot about him, I take back what I said about having a Canadian motorsport personality in the studio.
I would love to have the complete ITV feed, do they still do the grid walk? That and the studio presentations would be very cool.
But at the end of the day I'm very grateful for full live coverage on two channels so I'm not complaining that much, it's just that they can do so much better.
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Posted 20 April 2003 - 20:20
But at the end of the day I'm very grateful for full live coverage on two channels so I'm not complaining that much, it's just that they can do so much better. [/B][/QUOTE]
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Posted 20 April 2003 - 21:35
we have to do something.
the worst thing i think i've ever heard was on saturday.
"look at those brake drums glowing."
he also remarked over how the suspension would be set harder to optimize the car for the curbs .... please, someone have the sense of mind to killl this idiot.
the worst thing i think i've ever heard was on saturday.
"look at those brake drums glowing."
he also remarked over how the suspension would be set harder to optimize the car for the curbs .... please, someone have the sense of mind to killl this idiot.
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Posted 20 April 2003 - 22:36
I like the TSN pre-race show. Dondaldson rocks. That's why I laugh when people ask for a respectable Canadian motorsports personality. WE HAVE ONE! And he's the best in the biz. You're just to busy finding small things to bitch about to realize it.
Really..who cares?
Really..who cares?
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I completely agree. I'm getting tired of the constant bitching from motorsport fans. Look for the good things, not the bad.Originally posted by JayWay
I like the TSN pre-race show. Dondaldson rocks. That's why I laugh when people ask for a respectable Canadian motorsports personality. WE HAVE ONE! And he's the best in the biz. You're just to busy finding small things to bitch about to realize it.
Really..who cares?
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Posted 21 April 2003 - 00:29
Mr. McCormack
Hmmm, well, I guess one man's hyperbole is another's call to arms.
On the other hand, you're right. Was wondering why Old Vic suddenly got fixated on that.
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The worst thing you've ever heard?the worst thing i think i've ever heard was on saturday.
"look at those brake drums glowing."
Hmmm, well, I guess one man's hyperbole is another's call to arms.
On the other hand, you're right. Was wondering why Old Vic suddenly got fixated on that.
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Posted 21 April 2003 - 00:43
I'm not here to nitpick on a few missteps from Rauter.I can overlook that.It's his consistantly negative attitude.
His post race comments only sour my race experience.Really,now,how many sports employ hosts that denegrate the sport they are trying to sell to the public?What has been mentioned here is treu[sp],and that it will be difficult for an f1 following in Canada to grow without an enthusiastic presentation.
I'm not for the rampant hyperbole and cheerleading from the Speed CART crew but a little enthusiasm would do wonders.
His post race comments only sour my race experience.Really,now,how many sports employ hosts that denegrate the sport they are trying to sell to the public?What has been mentioned here is treu[sp],and that it will be difficult for an f1 following in Canada to grow without an enthusiastic presentation.
I'm not for the rampant hyperbole and cheerleading from the Speed CART crew but a little enthusiasm would do wonders.
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Posted 21 April 2003 - 01:28
I'd be happy if TSN stuckwith the ITV feed at all times. I was very disappointed when Vic resurfaced at this week's F1 qualifying after serving as TSN's curling major domo. I can remember yelling at the TV. He obviously hadn't taken the time to review the rule changes and their implicatons for qualifying performance and strategies. I'm sure he means well, but he always sounds as though he's reading off cue cards - very tranparent and phony. And he never modulates his voice - he always sounds like a barking seal. Theoretically, announcers should *at least* have pleasant voices.
And as for TSN not giving a **** about F1, may I remind everyone that in one week's time, they switched feeds from SPEED to ITV largely (I suspect) due to complaints generated right here on this board. Man, let me tell you, in big time network TV, that almost never happens.
And as for TSN not giving a **** about F1, may I remind everyone that in one week's time, they switched feeds from SPEED to ITV largely (I suspect) due to complaints generated right here on this board. Man, let me tell you, in big time network TV, that almost never happens.
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Posted 21 April 2003 - 03:18
I kinda like Vic. He always ensures we get a lot of gab on Jacques (he constantly engages Donaldson on Jacques) and the TSN website traditionally had some fairly respectable commentary on F1 and Jacques.
And, in Canada, who said you had to know your job to do it? We have a fine tradiiton of bingo callers with few skills and little knowledge - take Peter Mansbridge for example. And Count Floyd. And Rod Black (Figure skating expert). Dick Beddoes. Tom Cherington. Pamela Wallin. I could go on for hours.
No, Vic may not be the best, but he is good and maybe that's all we can expect.
And, in Canada, who said you had to know your job to do it? We have a fine tradiiton of bingo callers with few skills and little knowledge - take Peter Mansbridge for example. And Count Floyd. And Rod Black (Figure skating expert). Dick Beddoes. Tom Cherington. Pamela Wallin. I could go on for hours.
No, Vic may not be the best, but he is good and maybe that's all we can expect.
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Posted 21 April 2003 - 03:51
Can someone please explain to me the large dislike that everyone has for JA ?
I don't mind him at all, he may not be as good as MB but I don't understand what everyone is ranting on about.
I don't mind him at all, he may not be as good as MB but I don't understand what everyone is ranting on about.
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Can someone please explain to me the large dislike that everyone has for JA ?
I don't mind him at all, he may not be as good as MB but I don't understand what everyone is ranting on about.
The problem with James Allen is that he's not Murray.
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one bad thing about Vic is how he cuts off Gerald all the time, to point out something innane, that everyone watching can plainly see......usually when Gerald is getting into some detail that only someone at the race would know.
got to hand it to Gerald though, he is a classy guy & handles himself well talking to him.
thank god we get the ITV feed during the race though.
how about pairing Marting Brundle & Gerald Donaldson up for commentary?
Vic Router & James Allen together could be funny too. maybe for an F1 spoof show
got to hand it to Gerald though, he is a classy guy & handles himself well talking to him.
thank god we get the ITV feed during the race though.
how about pairing Marting Brundle & Gerald Donaldson up for commentary?
Vic Router & James Allen together could be funny too. maybe for an F1 spoof show
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F1 commentary by Vic Router & James Allen:
VR: hello everyone, I'm Vic Router, here with James Allen, and welcome to the Malay.....oops, Spanish Grand Prix!!
JA: I'm positively *orgasmic* thinking about the strategy for this race!!!
VR erm....
JA: Michael is so coy the way he struts down the pitlane....so sexy!!
VR: ( clears throat).......well, the weather might hold out today, looks like there may be some rain later on......gee, look all at those seagulls up there, flying around...
JA: I just got off the phone with Louise in the pits, and she says that if the none of the cars refuel during the race, they might not make it to the finish!!!!
VR: really???
JA yes!!! this paves the way for some VERY interesting strategy!!!
VR: huh? what's that?
JA: it's...it's...well, I'm not quite sure what it is....but it sure sounds good when you say it!!!
VR: oh.
JA: the cars are lined up and ready to go for the formation lap.....
VR: I'm hungry......you want a hotdog?
JA: oh, you tramp, don't tease!!
VR: okay, forget it.....I'll just get one.
VR: now about this one rain-tire rule, how do they decide which one to change? I mean, do they change one of the rears, or one of the fronts? and what happens to the handling of the car with one rain tire and three dry ones?
JA: well, that's all part of the strategy isn't it?
JA: wait a minute, that doesn't sound right.....? oh well.
VR: mmph!! ( loud eating & chewing noises heard thru mic )
JA: well, you know what they say: the rain in spain falls mainly on the plains!!
VR: .....some of those birds are getting awfully close to the commentary booth....I could swear they're looking at me....
JA: it's a go!! the cars are away on the formation lap!! there's Ralph Firman starting from the pitlane!!
VR: mmph!! chomp!! ....hey look: there's a glowing brake drum!!
JA: I'm calculating fuel loads....hmmm, I wonder if the Macs have got more fuel than anyone else? as you know, they have a larger belly!!
VR: you mean, like humpback whales?
JA: okay, they're coming around to the starting grid: Rubens is starting to back the field up....
VR: backing up?? it's illegal to reverse on track!! we'll have to wait and see what the stewards have to say about that...this could ruin the race for poor Rubens!!
JA: lets just hope the drainage from those hospitality suite's doesn't back up again, if it rains!!
VR: ( more eating & chewing noises )
JA: woah.....LOOKOUT!!!!
( there is a loud CRASH & the sound of breaking glass: terrifying bird sounds & wings beating, and the sounds of a struggle )
VR: argh...oww!! goddammit!!! somebody get these.....HELP!!!
--the audio feed cuts off---!
VR: hello everyone, I'm Vic Router, here with James Allen, and welcome to the Malay.....oops, Spanish Grand Prix!!
JA: I'm positively *orgasmic* thinking about the strategy for this race!!!
VR erm....
JA: Michael is so coy the way he struts down the pitlane....so sexy!!
VR: ( clears throat).......well, the weather might hold out today, looks like there may be some rain later on......gee, look all at those seagulls up there, flying around...
JA: I just got off the phone with Louise in the pits, and she says that if the none of the cars refuel during the race, they might not make it to the finish!!!!
VR: really???
JA yes!!! this paves the way for some VERY interesting strategy!!!
VR: huh? what's that?
JA: it's...it's...well, I'm not quite sure what it is....but it sure sounds good when you say it!!!
VR: oh.
JA: the cars are lined up and ready to go for the formation lap.....
VR: I'm hungry......you want a hotdog?
JA: oh, you tramp, don't tease!!
VR: okay, forget it.....I'll just get one.
VR: now about this one rain-tire rule, how do they decide which one to change? I mean, do they change one of the rears, or one of the fronts? and what happens to the handling of the car with one rain tire and three dry ones?
JA: well, that's all part of the strategy isn't it?
JA: wait a minute, that doesn't sound right.....? oh well.
VR: mmph!! ( loud eating & chewing noises heard thru mic )
JA: well, you know what they say: the rain in spain falls mainly on the plains!!
VR: .....some of those birds are getting awfully close to the commentary booth....I could swear they're looking at me....
JA: it's a go!! the cars are away on the formation lap!! there's Ralph Firman starting from the pitlane!!
VR: mmph!! chomp!! ....hey look: there's a glowing brake drum!!
JA: I'm calculating fuel loads....hmmm, I wonder if the Macs have got more fuel than anyone else? as you know, they have a larger belly!!
VR: you mean, like humpback whales?
JA: okay, they're coming around to the starting grid: Rubens is starting to back the field up....
VR: backing up?? it's illegal to reverse on track!! we'll have to wait and see what the stewards have to say about that...this could ruin the race for poor Rubens!!
JA: lets just hope the drainage from those hospitality suite's doesn't back up again, if it rains!!
VR: ( more eating & chewing noises )
JA: woah.....LOOKOUT!!!!
( there is a loud CRASH & the sound of breaking glass: terrifying bird sounds & wings beating, and the sounds of a struggle )
VR: argh...oww!! goddammit!!! somebody get these.....HELP!!!
--the audio feed cuts off---!
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Originally posted by StickShift
The problem with James Allen is that he's not Murray.
Lack of objectivity in reporting from all ITV members is a problem with this fan.
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I kinda like Vic. He always ensures we get a lot of gab on Jacques (he constantly engages Donaldson on Jacques) and the TSN website traditionally had some fairly respectable commentary on F1 and Jacques.
And, in Canada, who said you had to know your job to do it? We have a fine tradiiton of bingo callers with few skills and little knowledge - take Peter Mansbridge for example. And Count Floyd. And Rod Black (Figure skating expert). Dick Beddoes. Tom Cherington. Pamela Wallin. I could go on for hours.
No, Vic may not be the best, but he is good and maybe that's all we can expect.
Doesn't Vic look a lot like Count Floyd?? Maybe they are one and the same! If we want to add some colour to the F1 broadcasts then I suggest we bring Vic Cummings out of retirement!! I can hear him now," Geez, who pissed in Jacques' Cornflakes"?
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Posted 21 April 2003 - 13:36
Count Floyd, Bingo caller. Me thinks I have spotted a Frank magazine reader.
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Originally posted by JayWay
I like the TSN pre-race show. Dondaldson rocks. That's why I laugh when people ask for a respectable Canadian motorsports personality. WE HAVE ONE! And he's the best in the biz. You're just to busy finding small things to bitch about to realize it.
JayWay good post, and agreed 100%.
And about Vic Rauter, the negativity towards him is unjustified. It's true that it's a good thing that he doesn't do race commentating, because there was a couple of occasions where TSN allowed him to cover qualifying, and, yeah, he was terrible. But TSN knows where they stand with him and I think he knows his own limits, so he is fine working the introduction and post-race with Donaldson. He is TSN's jack of all trades, covering quite a few different sports, and a knowledgeable F1 specialist commentator would cost TSN a pretty penny, so I'm happy to have Rauter if that helps keep TSN's F1 coverage on the air.
As for claims about Rauter being negative about the sport, I think you could find as many positive comments of his as negative comments about F1. His comments are generally in accordance with current events. Bur what biased comments he does make one way or the other are designed to to elicite Gerry Donaldson's fine and insightful comments about the sport. So to take his comments out of the context of the interview format he has with Donaldson are just inaccurate and unfair.
Whether or not you like Vic Rauter: TSN's coverage of F1:
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Posted 22 April 2003 - 15:43
I think the real problem with Vic is that he is so pro-Villeneuve (of course, there's nothing wrong with that, and TSN is a canadian company), that he lets it cloud his judgement sometimes. I find when Villeneuve makes a criticism in the press, Rauter will usually back it up, hence his disdain for Schumy.
I have to say I actually really don't like Gerald Donaldson. He talks so slowly it drives me insane, and I don't see him giving me any insight I didn't already know (mind you, I am perhaps more informed than the average fan). I would rather TSN scrap the whole pre-race show and give us the ITV pre-race feed, replete with what I believe are things like driver interviews.
Francesco
I have to say I actually really don't like Gerald Donaldson. He talks so slowly it drives me insane, and I don't see him giving me any insight I didn't already know (mind you, I am perhaps more informed than the average fan). I would rather TSN scrap the whole pre-race show and give us the ITV pre-race feed, replete with what I believe are things like driver interviews.
Francesco
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I have to say I actually really don't like Gerald Donaldson. He talks so slowly it drives me insane, and I don't see him giving me any insight I didn't already know (mind you, I am perhaps more informed than the average fan).
Francesco have you ever read any of Geralds books? Such as
Gilles Villenueve: The Life of the Legendary Racing Driver
James Hunt: The Biography
British American Racing: From Dream to Reality
The quality of these books is truly stunning, it makes his comments all the more valuable, as he is such a great source of reliable information...
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Originally posted by Frisco
I think the real problem with Vic is that he is so pro-Villeneuve (of course, there's nothing wrong with that, and TSN is a canadian company), that he lets it cloud his judgement sometimes. I find when Villeneuve makes a criticism in the press, Rauter will usually back it up, hence his disdain for Schumy.
I have to say I actually really don't like Gerald Donaldson. He talks so slowly it drives me insane, and I don't see him giving me any insight I didn't already know (mind you, I am perhaps more informed than the average fan). I would rather TSN scrap the whole pre-race show and give us the ITV pre-race feed, replete with what I believe are things like driver interviews.
Francesco
I agree with you Frisco. Scrap the entire pre race show. I'm not a fan of Gerald Donaldson (on TV) at all. He is a great print journalist, but that doesn't always mean that one can cross over to another medium. I would rather read his articles.
