Drivers pushing their car to the finish line - the comprehensive listing!
#1
Posted 01 May 2003 - 17:10
Lets begin with Mansell at Dallas 1984: This one even looks a bit bad. Do you believe Mansell really passed out through sheer exhaustion or was he rather displaying some of his acting skills? So: Drama queen or lionheart? Or both?
Also, there was once a race with Prost pushing his car to the line. Unlike Mansell though, he pushed the car from behind, thereby having a better power transmission, once again showing the real difference between the celebral and the gutsy approach. Looked like real effort of the little Frenchman. Pics would be welcomed, too. Cheers.
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#2
Posted 01 May 2003 - 18:37
Originally posted by holiday
Lets begin with Mansell at Dallas 1984: This one even looks a bit bad. Do you believe Mansell really passed out through sheer exhaustion or was he rather displaying some of his acting skills? So: Drama queen or lionheart? Or both?
Mansell in his autobiography claims he fainted (can this be confirmed?). Apparently it was extremely hot that day and Nigel points out that (in addition) he was wearing black overalls.
#3
Posted 01 May 2003 - 18:42
And Gurney merits a mention for winning the '62 Daytona Continental on "gravity power." His Lotus 19 came to a stop just short of the line, and Dan just cranked the wheel left and let the banking do the job.
#4
Posted 01 May 2003 - 19:13
Ignazio Giunti's death.
#5
Posted 01 May 2003 - 19:25
#6
Posted 01 May 2003 - 19:31
Edit: Ah, sorry, I see you beat me to it, scheivlak!
Actually, that's when Bruce McLaren scored his first GP win, and became the youngest driver to win a GP.
#7
Posted 01 May 2003 - 20:03
  DePalma's perseverance made him a household name. Photos of DePalma and Jeffkin pushing the Merc ran in newspapers around the world. They can be seen at: www.rumbledrome.com/depalma.html .
#8
Posted 01 May 2003 - 20:36
http://www.atlasf1.c...&threadid=23785
#9
Posted 01 May 2003 - 20:46
Originally posted by arcsine
Mansell in his autobiography claims he fainted (can this be confirmed?). Apparently it was extremely hot that day and Nigel points out that (in addition) he was wearing black overalls.
I watched Mansell from the grandstand overlooking the start/finish line and I can assure you that given the severity of the temperature that day, almost 100 deg. F, that Nigel wasn't faking it. This was by far the warmest race that I have personally attended, and after the first USGP in Phoenix, that is saying a lot. I was roasted and I was not wearing a driving suit of any color.
The track had not properly cured and given the heat, literally chunks of pavement were thrown up from the track surface by the machinery. So bad, that the drivers made a half hearted attempt to boycott the race. After watching car after car hit the walls after going off line onto marbles like I've never seen, all of the few finshers earned my respect that day.
I must add that I thought the remarks by Rosberg about Mansell on the podium were rather small of Keke.
#10
Posted 01 May 2003 - 21:02
There is an alternative viewpoint, that Giunti ignored yellow flags and increased his speed. I think there's a thread somewhere about it.Originally posted by marat
On the not funny list, you have Jean-Pierre Beltoise at Buenos Aires 1971 whose action caused
Ignazio Giunti's death.
#11
Posted 01 May 2003 - 22:17
#12
Posted 01 May 2003 - 22:35
#13
Posted 01 May 2003 - 22:35
Kind of takes that incident off topic...
#14
Posted 01 May 2003 - 23:26
I am afraid that my view of Mansell is that he would still have fainted regardless of the temperature, overall colour, weight of car etc. Never a man to make a hillock into a molehill.
#15
Posted 01 May 2003 - 23:42
Originally posted by JtP
The practice of pushing the car was banned after Ignazio Giunti's accident even at club racing level and Mansell should actually have been disqualified for doing it.
I am afraid that my view of Mansell is that he would still have fainted regardless of the temperature, overall colour, weight of car etc. Never a man to make a hillock into a molehill.
I agree that Mansell should have been disqualified for the attempt at Dallas as this was not a very safe location, and I fully agree that Mansell was capable of some stagecraft and whinging (whinging, a most peculiar British word for me) on occasion.
While I'm no Mansell-maniac, I stand by my opinion to the original question.
#16
Posted 02 May 2003 - 03:35
I am pretty sure that it was Dwayne Bewley in the Fastway Couriers Peugeot, who pushed his car over the line, to only later be DQ'd.
Since initially posting this reply, I have found the following on http://www.ecn.net.a...ib/gallery3.htm
The Peugeot 405 of New Zealanders Tony Newman and Dwayne Bewley. At the end of the race Bewley had to push the car across the line, the car completely dead. He made it but was still disqualified, however Bewley's plight doubled the air time the team had received all race week.
So out of the bad comes some good
There is also a photo of the car on this page - but not whilst it was being pushed
#17
Posted 02 May 2003 - 11:25
Isn't this one of the myths that have grown up over the years?Originally posted by DOHC
Leading the 59 US GP at Sebring, Jack Brabham ran out of fuel with two laps to go and was passed by Bruce McLaren. He managed to stay in fourth place and won the WC title by pushing his car across the finish line. He collapsed from the effort.
The way the points worked out, Brabham could have sat down in the shade with a drink and still won the championship. Being a racer, he didn't give up.
I'm at work and don't have my books to hand to check out all permutations. I think there was an if whereby Brooks could have taken the championship (if Mclaren had retired or something like that).
#18
Posted 02 May 2003 - 11:37
Originally posted by D-Type
Isn't this one of the myths that have grown up over the years?
The way the points worked out, Brabham could have sat down in the shade with a drink and still won the championship. Being a racer, he didn't give up.
I'm at work and don't have my books to hand to check out all permutations. I think there was an if whereby Brooks could have taken the championship (if Mclaren had retired or something like that).
Yes, in fact, Jack had to drop the three points he got at Sebring!
To take the title Brooks needed to win and set FL, with Brabham fourth or worse. Tony came third and Trintignant got the point for fastest lap, so by the time Jack pushed the car over the line it didn't matter any more. Just making sure I suppose!
#19
Posted 02 May 2003 - 12:12
#21
Posted 02 May 2003 - 14:21
Even allowing for the mostly downhill terrain from the Casino to the finish, that's what I call devotion above and beyond the call of duty.
Must've been a bugga pushing it through the tunnel.
Perhaps more seriously, I'd love to know precisely how he got it down from the Square through the Mirabeaus (Mirabeaux?) and the Station Hairpin down to the seafront. Presumably he jumped in and steered during those bits
Even more to the point, I wonder what were his first words to ACBC.
#22
Posted 02 May 2003 - 18:07
#23
Posted 02 May 2003 - 18:18
the railway station, to finish 6st.
#24
Posted 02 May 2003 - 20:07
Originally posted by Dennis Hockenbury
I watched Mansell from the grandstand overlooking the start/finish line and I can assure you that given the severity of the temperature that day, almost 100 deg. F, that Nigel wasn't faking it. This was by far the warmest race that I have personally attended, and after the first USGP in Phoenix, that is saying a lot. I was roasted and I was not wearing a driving suit of any color.
The track had not properly cured and given the heat, literally chunks of pavement were thrown up from the track surface by the machinery. So bad, that the drivers made a half hearted attempt to boycott the race. After watching car after car hit the walls after going off line onto marbles like I've never seen, all of the few finshers earned my respect that day.
I must add that I thought the remarks by Rosberg about Mansell on the podium were rather small of Keke.
First of all, anyone who knows anything at all about the farcical Dallas GP of 1984 would not ask a question like 'Was Mansell faking it as usual, etc', so for the benefit of those who never saw it let me say it was the stupidest, most toss-potty ludicrous GP event ever staged in 100 degree temperatures on a melting track.
- I trust that answers the question about Mansell. :
One thing I will say though regarding Rosberg was that having reviewed most of that race, I feel that Keke had every right to be furious with Mansell. I don't know what Nigel was playing at for most of that race, and it was almost embarrasing to watch as he kept his slow Lotus in the way of Keke. No wonder he wasn't looking look forward to 1985 driving with Nige
#25
Posted 02 May 2003 - 20:08
Originally posted by Maldwyn
Andrea de Cesaris at Mexico 1991
And Andrea de Cesaris again at Spa in 1987 Mikey!
#26
Posted 02 May 2003 - 21:25
Originally posted by Vanwall
Here ... http://www.grandprix...es_at_Mco_2.jpg ... is a picture of possibly the mother of all pushes! It's Innes Ireland at Monaco 1960. His Lotus conked out " ... as he went up the hill to the Casino, and he proceeded to start a long push back to the pits" - D.S.J. This was on lap 56. By the time Moss crossed the line in first position "a completely exhausted" Ireland had pushed his car across the finishing line, to be classified 7th.....
.....Even more to the point, I wonder what were his first words to ACBC.
I'd imagine he had far too little breath to speak for a while...
Amazing that he was classified, he didn't cover 66% of the race distance. Anyone got facts and figures on that?
#27
Posted 02 May 2003 - 22:00
Originally posted by Ray Bell
Amazing that he was classified, he didn't cover 66% of the race distance. Anyone got facts and figures on that?
The regs in France and Monaco at the time allowed for all finishers or retirees to be classified providing they'd completed 50% of the race distance. "Feel 'Eel" was classified 12th at Reims in 1960, despite retiring after 29 of 50 laps.
Vanwall's quote seems to be a bit of revisionist history (Sheldon-inspired?). Innes was actually ninth, behind two non-finishers: Graham Hill and Taffy von Trips. Gurney was tenth on the road, but not classified, as he'd done only 44 laps.
#28
Posted 02 May 2003 - 22:47
Originally posted by Vitesse2
Vanwall's quote seems to be a bit of revisionist history (Sheldon-inspired?). Innes was actually ninth, behind two non-finishers: Graham Hill and Taffy von Trips. Gurney was tenth on the road, but not classified, as he'd done only 44 laps.
Jenkinson-inspired, I think. He published the results as he thought they ought to be with Ireland 7th and Hill and von Trips retired, but he did say the organisers did it differently. Sheldon shows Hill, von Trips and Ireland 7th, 8th and 9th - with Gurney 10th. Autosport shows von Trips 7th and Ireland 8th.
#29
Posted 03 May 2003 - 00:54
"Revisionism!" Hah! Only by Jenks! Roger you're right of course. Mea culpa. I was focussing on the story and allowed Jenks' feistiness and healthy scepticism of the French way of administering motor sport (see also his report of the 1962 Le Mans race and his account of the 1952 Reims GP in A passion for motor sport ) to throw me off track.
But enough of the minutiae! Who has a copy of All arms and elbows and can (hopefully) describe Innes' descent from the Casino?
#30
Posted 03 May 2003 - 01:40
Originally posted by marat
Before Innes Ireland, Jack Brabham pushed his car to the line at Monaco, in 1957, "only" from
the railway station, to finish 6st.
And then's there's Roy Salvadori heaving the Cooper-Maser over the line at Monaco in 1959.
#31
Posted 03 May 2003 - 06:40
had just to push the car on a few meters.
De Portago did the same at the 1956 British GP...
#32
Posted 03 May 2003 - 09:48
Jim Hall in his Chapparal had done this around 65 to finish the Sebring 12 hours, iirc.
In the Beltiose/ Giunti accident, Betoise was pushing the car back to the pits early in the race. The car had failed coming out the previous corner, on the opposite side of the track from the pits. Beltoise pushed the car up the straight until near the pit entrance and then turned across the track to enter the pits. The car was then in the middle of the track and Giunti, who had obviously passed the being pushed car on more than one lap, collected the stationary Matra.
#33
Posted 05 May 2003 - 18:50
" . . . I was most surprised when, going up the hill just past the pits, the engine suddenly quit dead and the car very quickly stopped. It felt to me as if the car was just out of fuel on one of the tanks, and I thought it would be worth pushing it up the hill, past the Casino, to coast down the other side and get it going again - for remember, in those days, we had no self-starter.Originally posted by Vanwall
But enough of the minutiae! Who has a copy of All arms and elbows and can (hopefully) describe Innes' descent from the Casino?
So I pushed the car all the way up that frightfully steep hill and damned near broke my back doing it.
If I had known how steep the hill was, I would never have tried it. I've been back since and I can barely walk up it on my own, never mind pushing a racing car.
However, there I was, like a half-wit, pushing my guts out to get the car to the top; when I finally got there I was absolutely on my knees. I can't tell you how completely exhausted I was. All the way up, of course, I had a track marshal walking alongside me making sure that none of the crowd gave me a hand, since that would have meant automatic disqualification. I must say my efforts brought the crowd to its feet with delight and I was much encouraged, but even so I could only push the Lotus a couple of yards at a time, then I'd almost have to lie down under the back wheel to stop the thing rolling back down again. I must confess - with eternal gratitude - that the marshal slipped me a chunk of rock halfway up the hill to jam under the back wheel whenever I stopped!
The other thing which kept me going was the voice of a chap named John Dalton, a fellow who used to drive and who is very often around at race meetings. He happened to be at a point on the circuit near where I stopped and kept alongside me all the way up the hill, shouting encouragement and abuse throughout.
Every time I collapsed and lay down, he would shout: 'Come on Ireland, you lazy hound. Get to your feet. Push, man! Push!'
I remember him dancing up and down waving 'the flag', doing his utmost to keep me going. I could cheerfully have slaughtered him at some points, but it was largely due to him that that I did eventually get to the top amid a great round of applause.
Gratefully I leapt into the machine, switched the fuel tanks over, let in the clutch - and nothing happened. Not a spark of life could I get from it. I limped down to the seafront and rolled to a halt again. Maybe it was the heat or something that was driving me mad, but I began to think of pushing the car round the rest of the circuit, waiting at the finish line until the race was over, then pushing the Lotus across to qualify as a finisher.
Whether it was the heat, or love of the marque I wouldn't like to say, but push it to the line I did.
There were only about seven cars running in the race by then, and it seemed worth finishing even last among that lot.
The first hazard I came to was the tunnel leading down to the harbour. It was pitch dark in there as near as dammit and when I considered pushing the car through there with other cars whizzing around, I thought to myself: 'This is going to be bloody dangerous.'
However, I had by then got the picture of the race and figured that I have 'x' number of seconds to get through the tunnel after the last car had passed through. So I waited until the right moment and heaved the dead Lotus forward.
I scampered through the tunnel, literally running with the car, while marshals were shouting and screaming and waving yellow flags, and heaven knows what. I ignored them and trundled down to the harbour. Now there is a gentle rise up to the corner at the Tobacconist's Kiosk, and that very nearly killed me. It was only about thirty yards long, but I can't tell you the agony that was. Once again I had to push it bit by bit and then jam my feet against the railing at the side of the road and hold the car while I gasped for breath. More than once I damned near gave up and let the bloody thing roll back into the harbour, but somehow or other I did manage to reach the finish. I waited for the chequered flag and gently pushed the car over the line, in a pool of sweat."
#34
Posted 05 May 2003 - 21:29
Originally posted by JtP
At some point the rules were changed to crossing the line with the car under its own power. My memory fails me. Someone in a GP or sports car race pushed their car to the line and tried to drive over on the starter, but the battery was flat.
Jim Hall in his Chapparal had done this around 65 to finish the Sebring 12 hours, iirc.
Legend has it that Dan Gurney won the '62 Daytona Continental (as mentioned above) by propelling his stricken Lotus across the line on the starter motor, and that may well have been his story at the time, to avoid getting DQ'd for the car not being under its own power. But in the excellent biography by our esteemed fellow poster Mr. Ludvigsen, Dan admits that he coasted the car over the finish by cutting the wheel hard left and letting the slope of the banking get him home.
Hall and the Chaparral won Sebring in '65 under full power from his Chevy V-8. Perhaps you're thinking of Gurney the following year?
#35
Posted 05 May 2003 - 21:37
Originally posted by ensign14
1924 Targa Florio - disqualified after being pushed over the line, this time breaking down 50 yards short of the finish (RL)
Antonio Ascari...
#36
Posted 06 May 2003 - 12:53
Your excerpt only whets my appetite.
#37
Posted 06 May 2003 - 16:25
#38
Posted 06 May 2003 - 17:21
Graham Hill's engine expired and he pushed the car over the line, unseen by the timekeepers and was not classified! Or was he classified 13th? Anyone with a Jenk's report?
Stefan
#39
Posted 06 May 2003 - 21:47
Originally posted by Stefan Ornerdal
Siracusa GP 1961:
Graham Hill's engine expired and he pushed the car over the line, unseen by the timekeepers and was not classified! Or was he classified 13th? Anyone with a Jenk's report?
Stefan
Motor Sport has a picture of him pushing the car over the line. The caption says: "Unfortunately the excitement was such that no official member of the Club saw this and Graham was officially retired istead of beinggiven seventh place."
Autosport said he was "unclassified, owing to the length of time to complete last lap". he had pushed for over a kilometre. It also says he was awarded an electric razor for the most meritous performance among the non-classifieds.
I'm not sure how he could be classified 13th.
Moss also pushed over the line in this race.
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#40
Posted 06 May 2003 - 22:11
Originally posted by Vanwall
"Revisionism!" Hah! Only by Jenks! Roger you're right of course. Mea culpa. I was focussing on the story and allowed Jenks' feistiness and healthy scepticism of the French way of administering motor sport (see also his report of the 1962 Le Mans race and his account of the 1952 Reims GP in A passion for motor sport ) to throw me off track.
But enough of the minutiae! Who has a copy of All arms and elbows and can (hopefully) describe Innes' descent from the Casino?
Whilst we were all so interested in Innes'effort, note that DSJ gave us another 'pushed across the line' finisher, Ritchie Ginther.
#41
Posted 07 May 2003 - 16:06
to obtain the 6st place point.
#42
Posted 13 December 2007 - 12:44
Does anyone know how long after the winner had passed, that they could push the car over the line? I suppose there must have been some sort of limit.
#43
Posted 14 December 2007 - 09:43
Anyone there to see it? I would love to hear from you!
#44
Posted 14 December 2007 - 13:07
#45
Posted 14 December 2007 - 13:24
#46
Posted 15 December 2007 - 00:28
#47
Posted 15 December 2007 - 13:22
#48
Posted 15 December 2007 - 15:44
In 1954 a broken oil-pipe in his D-type again saw Moss stopped just short of the finish, and this time he definitely did push the car across, and finished 18th.
#49
Posted 15 December 2007 - 20:17
His elapsed time was 1-minute 35-seconds with a trap speed of 3.5 mph. Ongais didn't get lane choice in the final round but did prevail for the Top Eliminator win.
Some simple math shows that Ongais pace pushing the car was just over the six-minute-mile mark. I doubt that I could do that for a quarter mile even without the car, testimony to the effort in some of the marathon pushes reported in other posts.
Ongais did go on to virtually every form of road racing (sports cars, endurance, F5000, F1, Indy, etc.) with some notable successes. I always thought it was sad that late in his career on fast Indy ovals the TV commentators got stuck on the Danny On-the-Gas nickname and several spectacular crashes, shortchanging a long, illustrious career.
Now back to the GPs .....
#50
Posted 16 December 2007 - 17:22