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#1 humphries

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Posted 04 June 2003 - 14:19

Although I have a variety of books and magazines that deal with the Tasman Championship from 1964-1975 I have not seen any entry lists that include race day numbers.

Obviously those lucky enough to have race programmes will know more but can someone enlighten me?

Did the organisers of the NZ series of races allocate numbers to be used at each of their races and did the Aussies do the same? Please don't tell me that at every race they had different numbers!! In the 70's photographic evidence suggests driver/ car combinations used the same number at each race; a sensible idea.

If this has already been dealt with please point me in the right direction.

John

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#2 Ray Bell

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Posted 04 June 2003 - 17:47

For a certainty there was no such arrangement in the 1964 series, as a quick check of what few photographs Racing Car News published shows that McLaren had number 7 at Sandown and number 10 at Warwick Farm.

Similarly, in 1965 Clark had number 1 in some Kiwi events (maybe all?) and 9 in Australia, where the numbers don't appear to change from round to round. Hill goes from number 2 to number 1 across the Tasman.

1966? Seems there was some collusion, for in what photos I can see the numbers there is continuity... Clark 1; Attwood/Hill 2; Stewart 3; Gardner 4; Brabham 5... In 1967, however, at Wigram I see Brabham wearing 4 and Hulme 5 as they chase Attwood in 1... at Warwick Farm Brabham is 1 while Gardner goes from 7 to 8 crossing the Tasman and Clark remains number 6 throughout.

1968 and 1969 seem to follow the same pattern, but again it's hard to follow it all... I can see that Clark and Hill retain the same numbers throughout in '68, but Amon changes in 69. One of the difficulties in retaining numbering throughout would be the desire to give local drivers their regular numbers where possible. Obviously, most would miss out much of the time. Additionally, local drivers did not always contest races on opposite sides of the Tasman.

The entry lists are published on the sergent site if you want to check it out further.

#3 humphries

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Posted 04 June 2003 - 18:39

Cheers Ray

The Sargent site does not really help, nor do the Shell NZ annuals, or the Tasman Black Book, Autosport, Motoring News or other mags including the Racing Car News 1972 review with a photo of your good self! Even the Vercoe bible does not have them.

The fact that none of the historians have recorded the race numbers suggests they do not have full details themselves and are not sure.

Hopefully there is a Kiwi and a wizard of Oz with enough programme information.

John

#4 David McKinney

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Posted 04 June 2003 - 18:59

First the good news
I have all the Pukekohe and Levin programmes, most of the Wigram and a few Teretonga
Now the bad news
Don't know when I can find the time to compile a list - possibly at the end of this month if no-one else can beat me to it

#5 Allen Brown

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Posted 04 June 2003 - 19:27

Originally posted by Ray Bell
The entry lists are published on the sergent site if you want to check it out further.

Are they? Where?

I have a few I can post. This one was sent to me by Milan Fistonic:


Warwick Farm – February 14, 1971



"Rothmans 100" International Tasman Championship Round 5 - 45 laps (101.25 miles)



1   John Cannon		 Hogan Racing Ltd			  McLaren M10B [400-01] - Chevrolet V8						Red/White/Blue

2   Mike Eyerly		 Bonphil Racing Inds		   Surtees TS8 [001] - Chevrolet V8							Yellow

4   Keith Holland	   Road & Track Auto Svce		McLaren M10B [400-06] - Chevrolet V8						White/Red

5   Kevin Bartlett	  Alec Mildren Racing P/L	   Mildren  - Chevrolet V8									 Yellow

6   Max Stewart		 Alec Mildren Racing P/L	   (Tasman) 1.9-litre Mildren  - Waggott TC4V 4				Yellow

7   Bob Muir			Robert Muir Motors P/L		(Tasman) 2-litre Mildren  - Waggott TC4V 4				  Yellow

8   Don O'Sullivan	  Rothmans Team Matich		  McLaren M10A [300-10] - Repco Holden V8					 Blue

9   Frank Radisich	  Team Cambridge				McLaren M10A [300-06] - Chevrolet V8						White/Blue

10  Frank Matich		Rothmans Team Matich		  McLaren M10B [400-10-2] - Repco Holden V8				   Blue

11  Leo Geoghegan	   Geoghegans Sporty Cars		(Tasman) 2-litre Lotus 59 - Waggott TC4V 4				  White

12  John McCormack	  John McCormack				(Tasman) 2.5-litre Elfin 600C [7011] - Repco V8			 Green/Orange

14  Graeme Lawrence	 Air New Zealand			   (Tasman) 2.4-litre Ferrari 246T [6] - Ferrari V6			Red

15  Chris Amon		  STP Corporation			   Lotus 70 [02] - Ford V8									 Red

17  Col Green		   Col Green					 (Tasman) 2.5-litre Brabham BT16 [F2-8-65] - Climax FPF 4	Orange

21  Len Goodwin		 Pat Burke Racing			  (AF2) 1.6-litre McLaren M4A [200-02] - Cosworth FVA 4	   Black/Orange

22  Graham McRae		Crown Lynn					McLaren M10B [400-11] - Chevrolet V8						Black

23  Ken Goodwin		 Ken Goodwin				   (AF2) 1.6-litre Rennmax  - Ford 4						   Yellow

26  Niel Allen		  N.E. Allen (Auto Ind) P/L	 McLaren M10B [400-02] - Chevrolet V8						Green/Red

27  Rich Galloway	   Galloway Racing			   Lola T190 [190/F1/1] - Chevrolet V8						 Yellow

31  Frank Gardner	   Lola Cars Ltd				 Lola T192 ["190/F1/6"] - Chevrolet V8					   Black/White

32  Malcolm Guthrie	 Guthrie Racing				Lola T190 [190/F1/14] - Chevrolet V8						Grey/Maroon

34  Teddy Pilette	   Racing Team VDS			   McLaren M10B [400-20] - Chevrolet V8						Maroon

37  Bryan Faloon		Rorstan Motor Racing		  (Tasman) 2-litre Rorstan Mk1a - Porsche 771 F8			  White/Blue

72  Evan Noyes		  Fred Opert Racing			 (F2) 1.9-litre Brabham BT29 [23] - Cosworth FVC 4		   Yellow

80  Dave McConnell	  Jim Russell Drivers School	(F2) 1.9-litre Lotus 69 - Cosworth FVC 4					Green



Non-Starters: 3, 6, 8, 17, 23, 27, 32, 37, 80
The identification of each car is my own of course but the entry numbers, entrants and colours come direct from the program.

If this is helpful, I have two more Warwick Farm programs for 73 and 74 IIRC
Allen

#6 Allen Brown

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Posted 04 June 2003 - 19:29

Originally posted by David McKinney
First the good news
I have all the Pukekohe and Levin programmes, most of the Wigram and a few Teretonga
Now the bad news
Don't know when I can find the time to compile a list - possibly at the end of this month if no-one else can beat me to it

David

Would it be easier if you FAX them to me and I post up the image off the FAX? It will save you having to transcribe them.

Or do you have a scanner?

Allen

#7 Ray Bell

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Posted 04 June 2003 - 19:48

Originally posted by humphries
.....The Sargent site does not really help, nor do the Shell NZ annuals, or the Tasman Black Book, Autosport, Motoring News or other mags including the Racing Car News 1972 review with a photo of your good self! Even the Vercoe bible does not have them.....


My apologies...

As I was going through the RCNs I thought of the Sergent site and remembered the lists that are published therein... little did I realise that the numbers weren't shown!

There are photographs, however, in abundance. And it seemed to me from the original post on this thread that you sought only to know if the numbers were carried over through the whole series or not. Now it appears that you want all the numbers, or am I reading too much into this?

At least the AGP book contains the numbers for those races, which were included in the Tasman Cup series from 1964 to 1969.... or (as I check this out!) some of them are! No... one of them is!

1965 - Longford:
1. G Hill
2. Kerry Grant
3. Frank Matich
4. Jack Brabham
5. Jim Palmer
6. Bib Stillwell
7. Frank Gardner
8. Jim Clark
9. Bill Patterson*
10. Bruce McLaren
11. Phil Hill
12. Rocky Tresise
14. Lex Davison
15. Jack Hobden
16. Andy Brown
17. Glynn Scott
18. Mel McEwin
19. Geoff McClelland
20. Lyn Archer
21. Roly Levis
22. Barry Collerson
23. Bob Jane
25. Les Howard
26. John McDonald*
40. David Hallam

* A mystery to me... did Patto enter one car for himself? I'm fairly sure that McDonald ran in number 9.

Now you can begin to see what I mentioned earlier... look at number 20... that was Glynn Scott's usual number, but because a local driver has asked for that number Scotty had to change.

So it wasn't only crossing the Tasman that introduced conflicts with local entrant's numbers, but sometimes it happened from state to state.

That said, it must be noted that Lex Davison, who normally ran number 4, seemed to relinquish his number each year in favour of the internationals, usually for Brabham. Bib Stillwell, however, rarely (if ever) lost his regular number 6.

My programmes, and I had almost all of them, are long gone.

#8 David McKinney

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Posted 04 June 2003 - 21:21

Originally posted by Allen Brown
David
Would it be easier if you FAX them to me and I post up the image off the FAX? It will save you having to transcribe them.
Or do you have a scanner?

Allen

Thanks for the offer
No, I don't have a scanner (yet)
I suspect it would take less time to list numbers - the way Ray has done - than to cart 12 years' worth of programmes into work on bus and train, turn up the relevant pages, photocopy them, bring them home, and fax 35-40 pages of entries

#9 humphries

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Posted 04 June 2003 - 23:16

Sorry for creating work for everyone.

Using photographic evidence can be dodgy especially with general reviews and even sometimes with individual race reports. Sometimes a driver would perform well but there would be no photograph available of that driver in that race and so a pic from an earlier event would be used! In South American race reports this happened quite regularly.

In the Black Books often we could get most numbers but needed all of them to maintain the format. When they were incomplete then non-related numbers had to be used. It was all or nothing in the Black Books because the format demanded entry list numbering including non-starters.

In Continental newspapers entry lists would be published but they would not always correspond with the race day numbers - deliberately - then the newspapers and often the specialised press would not report the race numbers! Trying to acquire programmes 30,40 or 50 years later was virtually impossible. Luckily the organising clubs produced detailed reports in their club journals but often these had been passed on to a local library and took some digging out.

Anyway I know that there are a lot of people interested in complete information for the Tasman series including myself and the researchers, past and present, are close to achieving the full information. Please persevere.

John

#10 Ray Bell

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Posted 04 June 2003 - 23:44

John, you can readily see from the list I gave that your battle is uphill.

For instance, as far as I can tell, the non-starters were:

Lex Davison (deceased previous week)
Andy Brown (an optimistic entry with the Clisby V6)
Bill Patterson (retired from racing)
Geoff McClelland (if he was there he was undoubtedly too slow)
Barry Collerson (ditto - I don't think these these cars were fitted with 1.5 engines anyway... ask if you want to know why)
Les Howard (didn't want to spend the money on crossing the Bass Strait - fact)
David Hallam (no idea, never heard of him, but only 1100cc)

Now another factor enters the scene... entries made just in case. Just in case the money's there to run, just in case some starting money is offered, just in case there are dropouts in the series and the organisers start to plead. So in some cases, especially Longford and Teretonga, say, the list of DNAs would be long.

Other circuits weren't so bad... Warwick Farm and Sandown were right in the thick of the activity, everyone went there if they possibly could, Lakeside/Surfers had their attractions despite the distance from Melbourne, likewise Levin, Wigram and Pukekohe were easily reached.

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Posted 05 June 2003 - 00:21

Dunno bout Wigram being so easy to reach Ray. Cook Straight is hardly a stream, Wigram fields were often substantially smaller than their North Island counterparts.

I've gone through the fields for the entire 60's period and there were always DNA's/DNS's usually a fair few of them as well.

I've got programmes from the Farm, Longford & Wigram

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Posted 05 June 2003 - 00:47

Easier than Teretonga, I'd say...

And the ravages of three weekends of racing have come into play by the time Teretonga came up too... another factor in eliminating cars from the fields.

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Posted 05 June 2003 - 01:01

Originally posted by David McKinney
I have all the Pukekohe and Levin programmes, most of the Wigram and a few Teretonga


If you should ever wish to part with those David. Price is no object. :wave:

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Posted 05 June 2003 - 01:11

Originally posted by Allen Brown
2 Mike Eyerly Bonphil Racing Inds Surtees TS8 [001] - Chevrolet V8 Yellow


I've seen it said that Fred Opert thought Eyerly was the best driver he'd ever run - including Rosberg. What happened to his career?

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Posted 05 June 2003 - 03:10

Pete

I started the thread on Eyerly and here it is:

http://www.atlasf1.c...ighlight=eyerly

I was just as intrigued about Opert's comment and how Eyerly's career peetered out not long after his Tasman sojourn in 1971.

#16 David McKinney

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Posted 05 June 2003 - 06:09

Originally posted by Bernd

If you should ever wish to part with those David. Price is no object. :wave:

I love the "price is no object" bit Bernd
But, sorry. They're not for sale :D

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Posted 05 June 2003 - 20:11

OK, I’ll make a start

1964
Levin

1. McLaren
2. Mayer
3. Hulme
4. Amon
5. Youl
6. Matich
7. Sager
8. Buchanan
9. Thomasen
10. Young
11. Thomas
12. Pierce
13. Abernethy
14. Slocombe
17. Shelly
22. Levis
25. Flowers
26. Hollier
28. Whittaker
41. Palmer

Pukekohe
2. Matich
3. Amon
4. Brabham
5. Hulme
6. Young
7. Sager
8. Youl
9. Thomasen
10. Stanton
11. Shelly
12. Buchanan
14. Green
15. Smith
16. Boyd
19. Turpie
20. Histed
21. Stonnell
22. Levis
23. Hollier
26. Eade
25. Flowers
27. Thomas
28. Whittaker
41. Palmer
47. McLaren
48. Mayer

Wigram
1. Amon
3. Hulme
4. Brabham
5. Youl
6. Young
7. Sager
8. Buchanan
9. Thomasen
16. Boyd
17. Shelly
19. Turpie
22. Levis
25. Flowers
41. Palmer
47. McLaren
48. Mayer

Teretonga
1. Amon
2. Mayer
5. Hulme
8. Youl
47. McLaren
plus ???

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Posted 05 June 2003 - 20:13

1965
Pukekohe

1. Clark
2. G Hill
4. Abernethy
5. Davison
6. Glass
7. Sager
8. Buchanan
9. Thomasen
10. Hollier
11. Gardner
12. Levis
14. Grant (Brabham 2500)
15. Dawson
16. Geoghegan
17. Riley
18. Thomas
19. Turpie
20. Smith
21. Lawrence
22. Grant (Lotus 1500)
23. Ngan
25. Flowers
41. Palmer
47. McLaren
48. P Hill

Levin
1. Clark
6. Glass
7. Sager
8. Buchanan
9. Thomasen
10. Hollier
11. Gardner
12. Levis
13. Abernethy
14. Grant
15. Dawson
17. Riley
18. Thomas
20. K Smith
21. Lawrence
23. Ngan
25. Flowers
30. Whittaker
41. Palmer
47. McLaren
48. P Hill
120. M Smith

Wigram
1. Clark
4. Abernethy
7. Sager
8. Buchanan
9. Thomasen
11. Gardner
12. Levis
14. Lawrence
17. Riley
18. Thomas
24. Grant
25. Flowers
35. Dawson
41. Palmer
47. McLaren
48. P Hill
49. Gillum

Teretonga
1. Clark
4. Abernethy
7. Sager
8. Buchanan
9. Thomasen
12. Levis
14. Grant
15. Dawson
16. Thomas
17. Riley
21. Lawrence
24. Gardner
25. Flowers
41. Palmer
47. McLaren
48. P Hill
49. Gillum

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Posted 05 June 2003 - 20:17

1966
Pukekohe

1. Clark
2. Hill
3. Marwood
4. Gardner
5. Dawson
6. Stewart
7. Geoghegan
8. Buchanan
9. Hollier
10. Jensen
11. Martin
12. Levis
14. Lawrence
15. Sager
16. McLoughlin
17. Riley
18. Rutherfurd
19. Smith
20. Thackwell
24. Stone
29. Whittaker
31. Caldwell
41. Palmer

Levin
1. Clark
2. Attwood
3. Whittaker
4. Gardner
5. Marwood
6. Stewart
8. Buchanan
9. Hollier
10. Jensen
11. Martin
12. Sager
14. Lawrence
15. Dawson
16. Smith
17. Riley
20. Thackwell
21. Levis
25. Ngan
26. Rutherfurd
31. Caldwell
41. Palmer
89. Lyme
93. Innes

Wigram
1. Clark
2. Attwood
4. Gardner
5. Marwood
6. Stewart
8. Buchanan
9. Hollier
11. Martin
14. Lawrence
15. Sager
17. Riley
20. Thackwell
21. Levis
25. Dawson
31. Caldwell
41. Palmer
44. Whittaker
49. Gillum
81. Smith
97. Rhodes

Teretonga
1. Clark
2. Attwood
3. Thackwell
4. Gardner
5. Marwood
6. Stewart
8. Buchanan
9. Hollier
12. Levis
31. Caldwell
41. Palmer
plus ???

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Posted 05 June 2003 - 20:52

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Posted 06 June 2003 - 09:58

Teretonga 1964

1. Amon
2. Mayer
5. Hulme
6. Young
7. Sager
8. Youl
9. Thomasen
12. Buchanan
16. Boyd
17. Shelly
19. Turpie
22. Levis
25. Flowers
40. Porter
41. Palmer
47. McLaren

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Posted 06 June 2003 - 20:20

1967
Pukekohe

programme not yet locatable

Levin
1. Attwood
2. Stewart
3. Hulme
5. Dawson
6. Clark
7. Gardner
8. Bartlett
11. Smith
12. Levis
14. Lawrence
15. Sager
16. Harvey
18. Marwood
19. Hollier
20. Brownlie
23. Arbuthnott
24. Stone
27. Grant
29. Macdonald
35. Rutherfurd
36. Weston
41. Palmer
122. *
123. Hetterscheid
144. Brackley
*late entry - I’ll have the name somewhere, but not right now!

Wigram
1. Attwood
2. Stewart
3. Hulme
4. Brabham
5. Dawson
6. Clark
7. Gardner
8. Bartlett
11. Smith
12. Levis
14. Lawrence
15. Sager
16. Harvey
18. Marwood
19. Hollier
20. Brownlie
23. Arbuthnott
24. Stone
27. Grant
29. Macdonald
36. Weston
41. Palmer
63. Yock

Teretonga
1. Courage
2. Attwood
6. Clark
7. Gardner
8. Bartlett
41. Palmer
plus ???

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Posted 06 June 2003 - 20:22

1968
Pukekohe

1. McLaren
2. Rodriguez
3. Hulme
4. Amon
5. Dawson
6. Clark
7. Gardner
8. Courage
9. Holloway
10. Yock
11. Smith
12. Levis
14. Lawrence
15. Bolton
16. Bailey
17. Anderson
18. Oxton
19. Nicholson
20. Brownlie
23. Batchelor
24. Stone
29. Macdonald
31. Francevic
34. Jones
36. McRae
41. Palmer
56. Harvey
57. Faloon
91. Radisich
122. Ransom
133. Kennedy

Levin
1. McLaren
2. Rodriguez
3. Hulme
4. Amon
5. Dawson
6. Clark
7. Gardner
8. Courage
10. Yock
11. Smith
12. Levis
14. Lawrence
16. Bailey
17. Anderson
18. Oxton
19. Nicholson
20. Brownlie
23. Batchelor
24. Stone
29. Macdonald
31. Francevic
34. Jones
36. McRae
41. Palmer
56. Harvey
57. Faloon
67. Baker
91. Radisich
115. Bolton
122. Ransom

Wigram
programme not yet locatable

Teretonga
1. McLaren
2. Rodriguez
3. Hulme
4. Amon
5. Dawson
6. Clark
7. Gardner
8. Courage
9. Hawthorne
10. Yock
11. Smith
12. Levis
14. Lawrence
15. Bolton
17. Anderson
18. Oxton
19. Nicholson
23. Batchelor
24. Stone
29. Macdonald
31. Francevic
33. Kennedy
34. Jones
36. McRae
41. Palmer
56. Harvey
57. Faloon
91. Radisich
145. Keen

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Posted 06 June 2003 - 20:24

1969
Pukekohe

1. Amon
2. Bell
3. Hill
4. Rindt
5. Dawson
6. Gardner
7. Moloney
8. Courage
9. Geoghegan
10. McCully
11. Smith
12. Levis
14. Lawrence
15. Marwood
16. Hughes
17. Anderson
18. Oxton
19. Nicholson
20. Brownlie
26. Radisich
27. Mahon
29. Oakley
36. McRae
41. Palmer
43. Hawthorne
57. Faloon
61. Pellow
79. Lyme
93. Kennedy

Levin
1. Amon
2. Bell
3. Hill
4. Rindt
5. Dawson
6. Gardner
7. Moloney
8. Courage
9. Geoghegan
10. McCully
11. Smith
12. Levis
14. Lawrence
15. Marwood
16. Hughes
17. Anderson
18. Oxton
19. Nicholson
20. Brownlie
21. Guthrie
23. Pellow
27. Mahon
29. Oakley
33. Radisich
36. McRae
38. Alexander
41. Palmer
43. Hawthorne
57. Faloon

Wigram
1. Amon
2. Bell
3. Hill
4. Rindt
5. Dawson
6. Gardner
7. Moloney
8. Courage
9. Geoghegan
10. McCully
11. Smith
12. Levis*
12. Nicholson*
14. Lawrence
15. Murdoch
16. Hughes
17. Anderson
18. Oxton
19. Marwood
20. Brownlie
21. Guthrie
23. Pellow
26. Radisich
33. Kennedy
36. McRae
41. Palmer
43. Hawthorne
57. Faloon
88. Alexander
114. Jones
*both appear in programme

Teretonga
1. Amon
2. Bell
3. Hill
4. Rindt
5. Dawson
6. Gardner
7. Moloney
8. Courage
9. Guthrie
10. McCully
11. Smith
12. Levis
14. Lawrence
15. Murdoch
16. Hughes
17. Anderson
18. Oxton
19. Nicholson
20. Brownlie
22. Cameron
75. Marwood
26. Radisich
28. Liparts
33. Kennedy
36. McRae
43. Hawthorne
45. Keen
57. Faloon
61. Pellow
80. Alexander

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Posted 06 June 2003 - 20:56

Pukekohe 1967

1. Attwodd
2. Stewart
3. Hulme
4. Brabham
5. Dawson
6. Clark
7. Gardner
8. Bartlett
11. Smith
12. Levis
14. Lawrence
15. Sager
16. Harvey
18. Marwood
19. Hollier
20. Brownlie
23. Arbuthnott
24. Stone
27. Grant
29. MacDonald
30. Pat McLoughlin
31. R.W.C. McLoughlin
35. Rutherford
36. Weston
41. Palmer
60. Boyd

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Posted 06 June 2003 - 21:01

Teretonga 1967

1. Courage
2. Attwood
3. Hulme
5. Dawson
6. Clark
7. Gardner
8. Bartlett
11. Smith
12. Levis
14. Lawrence
15. Sager
16. Harvey
18. Marwood
19. Hollier
20. Brownlie
23. Arbuthnott
24. Stone
27. Grant
29. MacDonald
36. Weston
41. Palmer
55. Bolton
63. Yock

#27 Milan Fistonic

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by David McKinney
[B]1967

[B]Levin

1. Attwood
2. Stewart
3. Hulme
5. Dawson
6. Clark
7. Gardner
8. Bartlett
11. Smith
12. Levis
14. Lawrence
15. Sager
16. Harvey
18. Marwood
19. Hollier
20. Brownlie
23. Arbuthnott
24. Stone
27. Grant
29. Macdonald
35. Rutherfurd
36. Weston
41. Palmer
122. *
123. Hetterscheid
144. Brackley
*late entry - I’ll have the name somewhere, but not right now!


122. Boyd

#28 Bernd

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Posted 07 June 2003 - 00:07

Argh :mad:

You blokes realise that I'll have to update all my lists with the correct numbers now!

:mad: :mad: :mad:

;)

#29 David McKinney

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Posted 07 June 2003 - 06:18

Milan
I won't be offended if you want to post details from the later races
I'm still working through my programmes

#30 Allen Brown

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Originally posted by Bernd
Argh :mad:

You blokes realise that I'll have to update all my lists with the correct numbers now!

:mad: :mad: :mad:

;)

Me too! Great, isn't it!

Keep going chaps, it's just getting really interesting!

Allen

#31 Milan Fistonic

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I don't know why the spacing gets all stuffed up, but you will be able to get the info you need from this.


Pukekohe – January 10, 1970



17th N.Z. International Grand Prix



Second Round Tasman Cup Series – 58 laps



1	Ron Grable	I.M. Rorison Motor Racing Div.	McLaren M10A	5000



2	Graham McRae	Crown Lynn							 McLaren M10A	5000



3	Michael Campbell	Forsgreen Engineering	Forsgrini Ford (Boss)5000



4	Robert Lamplough	Robt. Lamplough Racing						5000



5	Max Stewart	Alec Mildren Pty. Ltd.	Mildren Waggott	2000



6	Kevin Bartlett	Alec Mildren Pty. Ltd.	Mildren Alfa	2500



8	Graham Watson	Cambridge Racing Team	Brabham BT 18	1600



9	Frank Radisich	Henderson Central Motors	McLaren M4A	1600



10	Dennis Marwood	Rorison Motor Racing	Rorison-Eisert	5000



11	Ken Smith	K.J. Smith	Lotus 41B	1598



12	Jim Boyd	Cambridge Racing Team	Brabham BT 23C	1600



14	Graeme Lawrence	Lawrence Racing	Ferrari V6	2400



15	Wayne Murdoch	W. Murdoch	Brabham BT 18	1594



16	Peter Hughes	Transal Racing	Lotus 33	1580



17	Ulf Norinder	Ulf Norinder Racing	Lola T190	4991



19	Dexter Dunlop	Auto Fleet Services	Brabham BT 18	1598



20	Kaye Griffiths	Sir Charles Napier Racing	BRP Ford (Boss)	5000



23	Bill Simpson	W. Simpson	Eagle-Chevrolet	5000



24	Pierre Phillips	G.N. Begg	Begg-Chevrolet	5000



26	Niel Allen	N.E. Allen (Auto Indust.)	McLaren M10B	4998



33	Derrick Williams	W.C. Wilkins	Lola T142	4996



39	Geoff Mardon	G.N. Begg	Begg-Chevrolet	5000



57	Bryan Faloon	Cambridge Racing Team	Rorstan Mk 1	2499



61	Brian Pellow	Pellow Bros.	Brabham	1600



77	Derek Bell	Wheatcroft Racing	Brabham Ford	2500



96	Mike Goth	Mike Goth Racing	Surtees TS5	5000



120	Kevin Cameron	G.A.C. Engine Service	Brabham BT 21	1496



152	Leo Leonard	L.B. Leonard	Begg Chevrolet	5000



Late Entry



7		Frank Matich	Rothmans Team Matich	McLaren M10A	5000



Non-Starters: 4, 8, 16, 19, 24, 39, 120, 152



Boyd (12) drove a Brabham BT11 Climax 2.5

Bartlett (6) drove a Mildren Waggott 2.0


#32 Milan Fistonic

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Pukekohe – January 9, 1971



Air New Zealand 18th International Grand Prix



Second Round Tasman Cup Series – 58 laps



1	John Cannon	Hogan Racing Ltd	McLaren M10B	5000



2	Chris Amon	STP Corporation	STP March Cosworth Ford V8	2500



3	Mike Eyerley	Bondphil Racing	Surtees TS 8	5000



5	Kevin Bartlett	Alec Mildren Racing Pty. Ltd.	Mildren Chevrolet V8	5000



6	Max Stewart	Alec Mildren Racing Pty. Ltd.	Mildren Waggott	1860



7	Peter Maloney	P.F.M. Racing	Cooper Climax	2500



8	Don O’Sullivan	Rothmans Team Matich	McLaren M10A Repco V8	5000



10	Frank Matich	Rothmans Team Matich	McLaren M10B Repco V8	5000



11	Ken Smith	Team Cambridge	Lotus 69 Cosworth FVC	1800



12	Baron Robertson	Robertson Racing	Barabham BT23C FVC	1800



14	Graeme Lawrence	Air New Zealand	Ferrari Dino V6	2400



21	Robbie Francevic	M.J. Racing	Katipo MJ 70A	500



22	Graham McRae	Crown Lynn	McLaren M10B	5000



25	George Follmer	STP Corporation	Lotus 70 Ford Boss	5000



26	Niel Allen	N.E. Allen Auto Indust. (Pty) Ltd	McLaren M10B	5000



27	Ritchie Galloway	Colorado Ski Country	Lola T190	5000



28	Bob Brown	Colorado Ski Country	Lola T190	5000



31	Frank Gardner	Guthrie Racing	Lola T192	5000



32	Malcolm Guthrie	Guthrie Racing	Lola T192	5000



34	Teddy Pilette	Racing Team V.D.S.	McLaren M10B	5000



52	Dexter Dunlop	Wills Export Racing Team	McRae Ford S2	1598



57	 Bryan Faloon	Team Cambridge	Rorstan Porsche	2200



72	Evan Noyes	Fred Opert Racing	Brabham BT 29	1850

				Cosworth Ford FVC



80	Dave McConnell	D. McConnell	Lotus 69	1600



Did Not Start: 6, 7, 8, 21, 27, 57



No 2 was driven by David Oxton



No 25 was driven by Chris Amon


#33 Milan Fistonic

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Pukekohe – January 8, 1972

Air New Zealand 19th International Grand Prix



First Round Tasman Cup Series – 58 laps



1	Frank Gardner	Lola Cars Ltd.	Lola T300	5000



2	Mike Hailwood	Team Surtees	Surtees TS8	5000



3	Frank Matich	Frank Matich Racing Pty. Ltd.	Repco/Matich A50	5000



5	Kevin Bartlett	Kevin Bartlett Shell Racing	McLaren M10B	5000



6	Max Stewart	Max Stewart Motors	Elfin Repco	5000



7	Evan Noyes	Gemco Racing	McLaren M18	5000



10	David Hobbs	Hobbs Racing London	McLaren M22	5000



11	Ken Smith	Air New Zealand Motor Racing	Lotus 69B	1800



12	Baron Robertson	Robertson Racing	Brabham BT23C	1790



14	Graeme Lawrence	Lawrence Racing	Lola T300	4998



16	Peter Hughes	Town & Country Cars Ltd.	Begg FM2	5000



19	David Oxton	G.N. Begg Engineering Co. Ltd.	Begg FM4	5000



22	Graham McRae	Crown Lynn	Leda G.M. 1	5000



28	Garrie Cooper	Elfin Sports Cars	Elfin-Repco	5000



29	John McCormack	Elfin Sports Cars	Elfin-Repco	5000



30	David McConnell	D.W.M. Racing Ltd.	G.R.D.	2000



32	Allan Moffat	Allan Moffat Motor Racing Co.	(to be advised)



34	Teddy Pilette	Racing Team V.D.S.	McLaren	5000



50	Frank Radisich	Henderson Central Motors Ltd.	Repco McLaren	5000



57	Bryan Faloon	Stanton Motors Ltd.	Stanton Porsche	1981



60	Robbie Francevic	Wright Machinery	McLaren M10B	5000



Did not start: 6,12, 16, 32


#34 Milan Fistonic

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Pukekohe – January 6, 1973



Air New Zealand 20th International Grand Prix



First Round Tasman Cup Series – 58 laps



1	Frank Matich	Frank Matich Racing Pty Ltd.	Repco/Matich A50	5000



3	Steve Thompson	Servis/Alan Brodie	Chevron B24	5000



4	Bob Criss	   Performance Marketing	



5	Kevin Bartlett	Chesterfield Filter Racing	Lola T300	5000



6	Max Stewart	Max Stewart Motors	Lola T330	5000



7	Evan Noyes	Gemco Racing	McRae GM1	5000



10	Warwick Brown	Team Target	Lola T300	5000



11	Ken Smith	Air New Zealand Motor Racing	March 722	1930



12	Baron Robertson	Robertson Racing	March 722	1790



14	Graeme Lawrence	Lawrence Racing	



15	Noritake Takahara	Takahara Racing Inc.	Brabham BT36	1800



17	Allan McCully	A. McCully		5000



19	David Oxton	G.N. Begg Engineering Co. Ltd.	Begg FM5	5000



21	Alan Rollinson	McKechnie Racing Organisation	Duckhams/McRae	5000



22	Graham McRae	Crown Lynn	McRae GM1	5000



29	John McCormack	Ansett Team Elfin	Elfin/Repco	5000



30	David McConnell	D.W.M. Racing Ltd.	Surtees TS15	1930



34	Sam Posey	Champ Carr Inc.	Surtees TS11B	5000



36	Kelvin Cameron	Cameron Motor Court	Brabham BT23C	1930



52	Dexter Dunlop	Cameron Racing	McRae GM1	5000



89	Garry Pederson	Wright Machinery	Begg FM4	5000



99	Neil Doyle	Crown Motor Court	Begg FM2	5000



Did not start: 4, 14, 17, 99


#35 Milan Fistonic

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Pukekohe – January 12, 1974



Air New Zealand International Race



Peter Stuyvesant $100,000 Championship



First Round Tasman Cup Series – 58 laps



1	Graham McRae	Crown Lynn	McRae GM2	5000



2	Peter Gethin	Chevron Racing Team V.D.S.	Chevron B24	5000



3	Teddy Pilette	Chevron Racing Team V.D.S.	Chevron B24	5000



4	John McCormack	Ansett Team Elfin	Elfin Leyland Repco	5000



5	Kevin Barlett	Chesterfield Filter Racing	Lola T330	5000



6	Max Stewart	Max Stewart Motors	Lola T330	5000



7	Johnnie Walker	J. Walker	Lola T330	5000



8	Steve Thompson	Servis/Alan Brodie	Chevron B24	5000



10	Warwick Brown	Pat Burke Racing	Lola T332	5000



11	Ken Smith	Air New Zealand Motor Racing	March 732	1975



12	Baron Robertson	Robertson Racing	March 722	1930



14	Graeme Lawrence	Singapore Airlines/Wix	Lola T332	5000



15	Reg Cook	C.M.R. Supporters Team	Lola T300	5000



16	Dexter Dunlop	Cameron Racing	McRae GM1	5000



17	Frank Radisich	Henderson Central Motors Ltd.	H.C.M. March-Repco	5000



18	David Oxton	David Oxton Motor Racing	Begg FM5	5000



19	Robbie Booth	R.J. Booth	Duckhams Begg	5000



20	Neil Doyle	Crown Motor Court	Surtees TS 9B	5000



21	Allan McCully	A. McCully	FM5	5000



22	Garry Pederson	Hi-Fi Radio Racing Team	Hi-Fi McLaren	5000



Did not start: 5, 8, 17, 20


#36 Milan Fistonic

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Pukekohe – January 12, 1975



New Zealand Grand Prix



Peter Stuyvesant Series



Second Round Tasman Cup Series – 58 laps



1	Chris Amon	Jack MacCormack	Talon MR 1	5000



2	Warwick Brown	Pat Burke Racing	Lola T332	5000



3		Chuck Jones Racing	Lola T332	5000



5	Kevin Bartlett	Chesterfield racing	Lola T400	5000



6	Max Stewart	Max Stewart Motors	Lola T400	5000



7	Johnnie Walker	Walker racing	Lola T332	5000



8	Evan Noyes	Gemco Racing	Lola T332	5000



9	John McCormack	Ansett Team	Elfin MR6	5000



10		Max Stewart Motors	Lola T332	5000



11	Ken Smith	La Valise Travel Ltd.	Lola T332	5000



12	Baron Robertson	Robertson Racing	Elfin MR5	5000



13	Graham Baker	Southplant	Begg FM5	5000



14	Graeme Lawrence	Malboro/Wix/Singapore Airlines	Lola T332	5000



15	Frank Bray	Brambles (NZ) Freighters	Begg FM5	5000

			Racing Team



17	Robbie Booth	David Motors Ltd.	Begg FM4	5000



19	Jim Murdoch	Begg & Allen Ltd.	Begg 018	5000



22	Graham McRae		McRae GM2	5000



25	Neil Doyle	N. Doyle	Surtees TS9B	5000



69	Steve Millen		Chevron F2	1980



97	Bill David	David Motors	Brabham BT30	1900



Did not start: 3, 8, 10, 13, 25, 97


#37 Milan Fistonic

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Levin 1970

1. Grable
2. McRae
3. Campbell
4. Lamplough
5. Bartlett
6. Stewart
8. Watson
10. Marwood
11. Smith
12. Levis
14. Lawrence
15. Murdoch
16. Hughes
17. Norinder
19. Dunlop
20. Griffiths
23. Simpson
24. Phillips
26. Allen
27. McLellan
33. Williams
39. Mardon
57. Faloon
67. Baker
68. de Lore
77. Bell
88. Alexander
96. Goth
152. Leonard

#38 Milan Fistonic

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Levin 1971

1. Cannon
2. Amon
3. Eyerley
5. Bartlett
6. Stewart
8. O'Sullivan
9. Radisich
10. Matich
11. Smith
14. Lawrence
21. Francevic
22. McRae
25. Oxton
26. Allen
27. Galloway
28. Bob Brown
34. Pilette
57. Faloon
72. Noyes

Reserves

51. de Lore
52. Dunlop
12. Robertson
48. Taylor

#39 Milan Fistonic

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Levin 1972

1. Gardner
2. Hailwood
3. Matich
5. Bartlett
6. Stewart
7. Noyes
10. Hobbs
11. Smith
12. Robertson
16. Hughes
19. Oxton
22. McRae
28. Cooper
29. McCormack
30. McConnell
34. Pilette
50. Radisich
60. Francevic

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#40 Milan Fistonic

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Levin 1973

1. Matich
3. Thompson
4. Criss
5. Bartlett
6. Stewart
7. Noyes
10. Warwick Brown
11. Smith
12. Robertson
14. Lawrence
15. Takahara
19. Oxton
21. Rollinson
22. McRae
29. McCormack
30. McConnell
34. Posey
36. Cameron
52. Dunlop
89. Pederson
99. Doyle

#41 Milan Fistonic

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Levin 1974

1. McRae
2. Gethin
3. Pilette
4. McCormack
5. Bartlett
6. Stewart
7. Walker
8. Thompson
9. Rayborn
10. Brown
11. Smith
12. Robertson
14. Lawrence
15. Cook
16. Dunlop
17. Radisich
18. Oxton
19. Booth
20. Doyle
21. McCully
22. Laney
23. Pederson

#42 humphries

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Posted 09 June 2003 - 10:35

David and Milan

Thanks for the breakthrough. Your information is very valuable; it just simply is not available here in Europe. If the Tasman races and all those wonderful pre-Tasman Championship races, the race reports of which sustained us through our long miserable winters, are to be fully documented it is going to have to be done by Antipodeans. Race programmes and official results are the key.

It would seem that the Tasman series when run to F5000 regs used the same car numbering but as always nothing can be taken for granted. The problem seems to be now with the race numbers of the Australians who did not compete in NZ. The authoritative tome "The Official 50 Race History of the Australian Grand Prix" contains no race numbers.

When odd photographs turn up it would be so useful for identification purposes if the race numbers were known for all major races Down Under. Luckily John Blanden's "History of the Australian Grand Prix 1928-1939" Vol 1 (Was there ever a Vol 2?) is superb and contains the lot. John Medley's Bathurst book has maintained the standard but otherwise great opportunities have been missed.

So if you Cornstalks, Gumsuckers, Banana-benders, Gropers, Tassies and whatever you call South Australians could do some digging it would be greatly appreciated. And please don't use old programmes to light the barbies!

John the Whinging Pom

#43 quintin cloud

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Posted 09 June 2003 - 11:43

cool, time to update my tasman results. :up: :smoking:

#44 Allen Brown

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Posted 09 June 2003 - 19:46

I got this Warwick Farm 1972 entry list over the FAX. You can just about read it if the image is really large but I guessed 119K was too big for posting.

So here's a link.

If that's useful, I can post up 1973 too.

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Posted 09 June 2003 - 23:03

Allen

As I am a historian who finds the entrants as interesting as the drivers, a programme entry list is an intriguing document. So yes, indeed, I would like to see the 1973 Farm entry list. Where the support and money is coming from can, sometimes, tell you something about the driver, his circumstances and abilility.

Driver/ Entrant

John Smith..... John Smith
John Smith..... John Smith's Garage, Anytown
John Smith..... George Smith
John Smith..... Geo. Smith, Rolls Royce Main Dealers, Knightsbridge
John Smith..... Smithy Racing, Peckham
John Smith..... John Smith International Racing Enterprises Division
John Smith..... Any District Automobile Club
John Smith..... Ms Fifi Loadsadosh
John Smith..... The McLaren Academy PLC
John Smith..... Corleoni Bros
John Smith..... Scuderia Ferrari Marlboro

See what I mean.

John

#46 humphries

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Allen

As I am a historian who finds the entrants as interesting as the drivers, a programme entry list is an intriguing document. So yes, indeed, I would like to see the 1973 Farm entry list. Where the support and money is coming from can, sometimes, tell you something about the driver, his circumstances and abilility.

Driver/ Entrant

John Smith..... John Smith
John Smith..... John Smith's Garage, Anytown
John Smith..... George Smith
John Smith..... Geo. Smith, Rolls Royce Main Dealers, Knightsbridge
John Smith..... Smithy Racing, Peckham
John Smith..... John Smith International Racing Enterprises Division
John Smith..... Any District Automobile Club
John Smith..... Ms Fifi Loadsadosh
John Smith..... The McLaren Academy PLC
John Smith..... Corleoni Bros
John Smith..... Scuderia Ferrari Marlboro

See what I mean?

John

#47 humphries

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Posted 09 June 2003 - 23:08

Sorry, must have pressed twice!
John

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Originally posted by humphries
.....Luckily John Blanden's "History of the Australian Grand Prix 1928-1939" Vol 1 (Was there ever a Vol 2?) is superb and contains the lot. John Medley's Bathurst book has maintained the standard but otherwise great opportunities have been missed.....


No, John hasn't done any more AGP coverage... rather difficult to carry on after the 50-race book was completed. He is carrying on with some other works, however.

So if you Cornstalks, Gumsuckers, Banana-benders, Gropers, Tassies and whatever you call South Australians could do some digging it would be greatly appreciated. And please don't use old programmes to light the barbies!

John the Whinging Pom


Vanwall and his mob are 'crow eaters'... no idea where you got the 'cornstalks' and 'gumsuckers' from!

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Posted 10 June 2003 - 16:06

Superb info! :up: Thanx Milan, David et al... :)

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Posted 13 June 2003 - 03:52

OK I've began the mammoth task of updating my lists. Due to my poor design and shortsightedness it's been quite difficult to add the extra column to my tables.

Anyway time for the Aussie side of things I suppose

Australian Grand Prix : Sandown 1964

1. Brabham
2. Hulme
3. Cusack
4. Davison
5. Youl
6. Stillwell
7. McLaren
8. Mayer
9. Patterson
10. Whiteford
11. Matich
12. Palmer
14. Shelly
15. Osborne
16. Smith
17. Glass
18. Rilstone
19. Mitchell
20. Scott
21. Gardner
22. Fletcher
23. Hunnam
24. McEwin
25. Geoghegan
26. Walker

Warwick Farm 1964

4. Matich
3. Hulme
2. Brabham
1. Hill
10. McLaren
11. Mayer
5. Youl
8. Davison
20. Geoghegan
6. Stillwell
16. Gardner
12. Palmer
15. Cusack
14. Shelly
21. Scott
17. Walker
18. Hunnam
19. Smith
23. Glass
22. Flowers