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[François Bonaparte]

I just was reading an article on F1 live.com link here from an interview with the electronic engineer from the black box from Ferrari, it's called "Electronics' secrets" from Roberto Dalla. He does an bold statement in the text, but it should be noted it's said by this man and his position of that particular team.

the statement I am babbling about it this part where he speaks about LC and TC within the software.

[quopte]"I can understand that a launch control system where a driver only needs to add power and press a button for a good start is hard for the public to accept and it is something that is certainly at the top of the driver aids list. But we will not ban what it is impossible to check. We can take out a form of launch control and automatic gearbox software and be sure that nobody has it. [/quote]

is that policy at that team?

Then I finally understand Mosley's words what caused TC to be re-introduced back in barcelona '01 more clearly.

happy raceweekend!!!!

[Scudetto]

Originally posted by François Bonaparte

is that policy at that team?

Oh, Frans, don't even go there. Take the quote in context:

"I can understand that a launch control system where a driver only needs to add power and press a button for a good start is hard for the public to accept and it is something that is certainly at the top of the driver aids list. But we will not ban what it is impossible to check. We can take out a form of launch control and automatic gearbox software and be sure that nobody has it. The important thing is that everybody has the same.

Quite clearly, Dalla is using the word "we" in the collective, i.e., the teams and governing body. When he says, "we will not ban... " it has to be reference to the enactment of regulations, since Ferrari, on its own, is in no position to ban anything.

I think this conclusion is further supported by his last sentence which you -- accidently, I'm sure -- omitted from your original post.

[revvhead]

Oh boy ACCIDENTAL OMISSION

[steeng]

I'm not sure, but I think Frans believes that this quote "proves" that Ferrari will cheat?

However, this quote seems to indicate just the opposite. What this guy is saying is that because TC and LC are impossible for the FIA to adequately check it won''t be banned. Therefore, TC and LC will remain legal to ensure that every team has the same advantages.

[FNG]

Too bad LC will stay. I guess they need to keep TC but LC just makes the starts of Grand Prix very boring. Almost all cars take off at the same time same pace, unless they have a good programer

[Teez]

Originally posted by Scudetto

I think this conclusion is further supported by his last sentence which you -- accidently, I'm sure -- omitted from your original post.

Reading these sorts of Frans-posts ™ is like reading 'evidence' from UFO believers: it's often more important to check up on what they don't tell you.

[Todd]

If I were at Ferrari, I would want to keep legal LC too. Speedvision showed slow motion replays of LC at work during Mika Hakkinen's best starts in 2000, when LC was illegal. Apparently, the FIA was unable or unwilling to enforce this rule on McLaren. Better that all the teams have it than just he incredibly shady squad in black.

[Scudetto]

Originally posted by Todd
Speedvision showed slow motion replays of LC at work during Mika Hakkinen's best starts in 2000, when LC was illegal. Apparently, the FIA was unable or unwilling to enforce this rule on McLaren. Better that all the teams have it than just he incredibly shady squad in black.

You are, without a doubt, the Dr. Jekyll to Frans' Mr. Hyde.

[Bladrian]

Originally posted by Todd
If I were at Ferrari, I would want to keep legal LC too. Speedvision showed slow motion replays of LC at work during Mika Hakkinen's best starts in 2000, when LC was illegal. Apparently, the FIA was unable or unwilling to enforce this rule on McLaren. Better that all the teams have it than just he incredibly shady squad in black.

"The incredibly shady squad in black ..."


Great description, sir.

[kenjafield]

So what exactly will be banned from next year? I was looking forward to TC and LC going, but if this is no longer the case

[zfh10]

Originally posted by Todd
If I were at Ferrari, I would want to keep legal LC too. Speedvision showed slow motion replays of LC at work during Mika Hakkinen's best starts in 2000, when LC was illegal. Apparently, the FIA was unable or unwilling to enforce this rule on McLaren. Better that all the teams have it than just he incredibly shady squad in black.

Oh dear - if you are serious....the desperation. The irony.

Please tell us that you are kidding. Please.

[Smooth]

'We' in the above statement from Mr Todt = all of the teams

Not 'we' = Ferrari.

[RedIsTheColour]

Just on a point of topicality, would McLaren insiders / fans care to comment on the above? I haven't seen the Speedvision piece myself, anyone else?

[François Bonaparte]

if the FIA cannot check it, they are willing to do it even if's it's lawfully illegal. what ever, when ever where ever. That's Ferrari policy, AND the reason why TC and LC got legalized by the FIA in 2001.

Todd, the Japan 2000 start on tv didn't show the rear wheels of Michael as well didn't? No it didn't he made an false start together with Mika, while only Mika got punished. and it's the only vague excample you can pull out of the big hat huh? (it's not the reason for re-introduction of TC/LC btw, but anyway, seems to be that it's your fav. part to use in such conversations. )

sure maybe at some point McLaren had some sort of LC, maybe even TC, but they had to because theyre competitors in RED were doing it all allong. (but no one cares who started it anyway... huh?)

but I don't get what I am doing now. laterzzzz and happy monday.

[Rory]

Originally posted by François Bonaparte
.....but I don't get what I am doing now.

That may be the wisest remark in this thread....;)

[red300zx99]

Long Live TC and LC

[D-Type]

Go the whole hog

Ban launch control
Ban traction control
Ban rev limiters
Ban automatic and semu-automatic gearchanges

In other words shift the balance back in favour of driver skill.

[Jordan191]

Originally posted by Scudetto



You are, without a doubt, the Dr. Jekyll to Frans' Mr. Hyde.

that's actually the same ' evidence ' used to prove Benetton had it in 1994. I dunno myself. If the FIA feel they can't police it then let it in . At least the question is nullified.