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[jazzzz]

Originally posted by Sniper

Example: Dumbass Darryl saying that some Nascar engineer got an offer from an F1 team and asking why would this guy want to take a step down and go to F1.

Perhaps the NASCAR engineer was asked to move to F1 to mop the pit floor fortnightly, and I would understand why such engineer wouldn’t want to go to F1

[Ralliart]

I attributed the exclamation to Larry McReynolds and it appears Darell Waltrip actually said it. I admit to not being in the room when it was made, heard it and dashed back into the room - and thought McReynolds said it. So, I was confused who made the statement and, unless I was sure, shouldn't have attributed it to McReynolds. In any event, no one in the booth challenged Waltrip on what he said. If memory serves (and it may not), I believe Waltrip drove in the IROC series so he has a knowledge of what some, at least, drivers from other forms of motorsports can (or did) do. I don't believe anyone put a gun to his head and made him make that statement so, therefore, I have to conclude that he really feels that way - that the NASCAR drivers are the greatest in the world. I just don't happen to agree with him.

[Jordan191]

Originally posted by Ross Stonefeld



Dude, Tony is beyond sloppy.

Tony's also done the memorial day double twice .. that's the Indy 500 and the Coca-Cola 600 in one day and finished in the top 10 in both races BOTH times. He's in decent shape I'd say

[jdanton]

Originally posted by Kaiser


I'm not sure I'd ever heard a F1 reference during a nascar race either, except when Dale Sr. gave Jacques the thumbs up for getting the pole in his first GP.

It was actually Dale Sr. (via MRN radio post race interview) who broke the news to me about Senna's passing on that fateful day in '94.

[John B]

That was the first thing he mentioned (condolenses to Senna's family) during his victory lane interview that day, which was pretty classy.

[Spunout]

Very simple,

Almost all NASCAR drivers are from USA. Not from America (continent) - from USA (country).

Where are the best European, South American, Asian stock car drivers?

Hey, they must be where other WORLDS BEST DRIVERS are - NASCAR!

Are they?

Everyone can have his own opinion but if NASCAR has WORLDS BEST DRIVERS I guess all Michaels, Juans, Fernandos and Kimis better give up hope because you cant become one of the WORLDS GREATEST DRIVERS unless your name is Jeff, Dale or Bud. Tough luck guys.

PS. Compared to NASCAR F1 has more more aspiring racers from MANY countries and continents wanting to get there (bigger "talent pool"). They start younger, compete in tougher feeder series, work harder, have better fitness...(do I have to go on all day?) and so on.

To put it simply almost all the odds are against NASCAR drivers, but still they are WORLDS BEST DRIVERS.

I guess you just have to be born in the U.S.A

[George Bailey]

Originally posted by Spunout
They start younger, compete in tougher feeder series, work harder, have better fitness...(do I have to go on all day?) and so on.

It looks good on paper, but you have absolutely nothing to back up any of the 'facts' you lay out in that sentence.

For example, what is the average age Nascar drivers begin racing versus the average age an F1 drivers first race?

Name two or three Nascar feeder series, describe how competitive are they with respect to the number of seats per aspiring drivers, the average gaps between drivers in races and for the series title , and how does that level of competition compare with any two or three F1 feeder series?

I'd love to hear the results of your research on the work ethic of the drivers trying to enter Nascar and F1. The stats on number of laps run in races and testing would be of interest to many people here I'm sure. Please share.

Along those lines I'd also be fascinated to see the medical reports of the up and coming drivers to see which series has the fitter applicants. It must have taken you quite awhile to compile statistics on the number of miles run per week for the average junior drivers or what their weight training schedules look like. Do you use VO2 max as a sort of fitness standard? What were the VO2 max numbers for the top 10% for the hopefuls of each series?


If that's asking too much for you to compile all in one post, take your time and spread the data over several, we're not going anywhere. Just please don't back out by saying something about Nascar drivers being old fat guys without atleast given us all an example of when an old fat guy last won a Nascar race.

[Ross Stonefeld]

Originally posted by Jordan191


Tony's also done the memorial day double twice .. that's the Indy 500 and the Coca-Cola 600 in one day and finished in the top 10 in both races BOTH times. He's in decent shape I'd say

The world trembles. Even Robby Gordon isnt that fit. Im talking athelete fit. Not baseball player fit.

[Jordan191]

Originally posted by Ross Stonefeld


The world trembles. Even Robby Gordon isnt that fit. Im talking athelete fit. Not baseball player fit.

Robby's also sucked at the double or failed/crashed out of one race or the other. I'd imagine the double takes a certain level of fitness higher than that sterotype that the bashers have of the sports.

[Vilenova]

Usually i am happy to just read and add a few comments, but this is just too much..
What a bunch of elitest f1 pukes you clowns are on this thread.

Oh and whoever was wondering why Nascar fans don't know about the rest of the world ? Its not just Nascar fans, its the entire country.

Perhaps the NASCAR engineer was asked to move to F1 to mop the pit floor fortnightly, and I would understand why such engineer wouldn’t want to go to F1

Put any F1 driver in a Nascar and he would do REALLY well. Put any Nascar driver in an F1 car and what do you get? Only 2-3 of them would do OK. And actually only 10 of them would fit

Nah, the only thing that gets to me about these guys is that USA is the "world"

Unbelievable bullshit.
Who's to say who is better. The big and tall boys in nascar are typically the old school crowd, Have a look at the latest crop of drivers. They are all in great shape.
Of course DW said what he did. What did you expect him to say, he is a hardcore nascar guy and supports his series 100%. So he embellished a few things. That's what the viewers wanted to hear.

The elite drivers of any series will excel in whatever they try to do. The backmarkers will always be backmarkers and dumbass comments will always be dumbass comments.

[Ross Stonefeld]

Originally posted by Jordan191


Robby's also sucked at the double or failed/crashed out of one race or the other. I'd imagine the double takes a certain level of fitness higher than that sterotype that the bashers have of the sports.

Tony's record is hardly better.

[Jordan191]

Originally posted by Ross Stonefeld


Tony's record is hardly better.

Tony's record .

Top 10s in both races both seasons 9/4 and 6/3 IIRC .. a LOT better than Robbys.

I think of the 1200 laps in the 4 combined events ( 2x200 lap Indy 500 and 2x400 lap Coca-Cola 600 ) ,he's run 1199 ( he finished a lap down in the 500 in his 1st attempt ) . Care to compare Robby's combined records ?

[Locai]

Originally posted by Jordan191


top 10s in both races both seasons 9/4 and 6/3 IIRC .. a LOT better than Robbys I think of the 1200 laps in the 4 combined events ( 2x200 lap Indy 500 and 2x400 lap Coca-Cola 600 ) he's run 1199 ( he finished a lap down in the 500 in his 1st attempt ) . Care to compare Robby's combined records ?

Between the missing punctuation and the fractured grammar, I can't figure out what you're saying.

[Jordan191]

Originally posted by Locai


Between the missing punctuation and the fractured grammar, I can't figure out what you're saying.

care to follow the thread ? I'll edit just for you though

[jondoe955]

Example: Dumbass Darryl saying that some Nascar engineer got an offer from an F1 team and asking why would this guy want to take a step down and go to F1.

That does sound dumb, but perhaps there is another way of looking at it...
I would guess that F1 engineers are a lot more compartmentalized than NASCAR, so you may have a smaller area work with - like the architect who gets a job with a large, prestigious firm... and instead of designing houses, he now designs doors all day. A step up?

Everyone will say their series is the best. The best series to me is where drivers race drivers on an equal footing, hopefully on a road course.
High tech does not make racing better. It does make it more expensive. And I think seeing 40 cars racing on a track looks better than 20 cars that haven't gone the way of Arrows...yet.

[Ross Stonefeld]

Originally posted by Jordan191



Tony's record .

Top 10s in both races both seasons 9/4 and 6/3 IIRC .. a LOT better than Robbys.

I think of the 1200 laps in the 4 combined events ( 2x200 lap Indy 500 and 2x400 lap Coca-Cola 600 ) ,he's run 1199 ( he finished a lap down in the 500 in his 1st attempt ) . Care to compare Robby's combined records ?

We know you got a boner for Tony and all but he's about even with Gordon for Indy/Charlotte, and not that great overall in racing.

I remember the 2001 race when he drove for freaking Ganassi and was no where and was bitching he might have to get out of the car because he had a cramp.

[Jordan191]

Originally posted by Ross Stonefeld


We know you got a boner for Tony and all but he's about even with Gordon for Indy/Charlotte, and not that great overall in racing.

I remember the 2001 race when he drove for freaking Ganassi and was no where and was bitching he might have to get out of the car because he had a cramp.

really see the above results. finished 6th. that's hardly 'nowhere' Get me Robby Gordon's record for the double then we can talk.

[Ross Stonefeld]

Wobby could win Monaco Indy and Chalotte in the same day and you'd still be picking Stewart's pubes out of your gums

[vapaokie]

Ross, you're better than that last comment.

Jordan191- here's the data you asked for

Robby Gordon

1997- 29th Indy, 19 laps (fire); 41st Charlotte (accident)
2002- 8th Indy, finished; 16th Charlotte (lap down)
2003- 22nd Indy, 169 laps (gearbox); 17th Charlotte (lap down)

Tony Stewart

1999- 9th Indy, 196 laps; 4th Charlotte
2001- 6th Indy, finished; 3rd Charlotte

I'd say advantage Tony, not exactly "about even."

[Jordan191]

Originally posted by vapaokie
Ross, you're better than that last comment.

Jordan191- here's the data you asked for

Robby Gordon

1997- 29th Indy, 19 laps (fire); 41st Charlotte (accident)
2002- 8th Indy, finished; 16th Charlotte (lap down)
2003- 22nd Indy, 169 laps (gearbox); 17th Charlotte (lap down)

Tony Stewart

1999- 9th Indy, 196 laps; 4th Charlotte
2001- 6th Indy, finished; 3rd Charlotte

I'd say advantage Tony, not exactly "about even."

I was wrong on the laps .. thanks for the data It still looks like Tony wh00ped ass

[Jordan191]

Originally posted by Ross Stonefeld
Wobby could win Monaco Indy and Chalotte in the same day and you'd still be picking Stewart's pubes out of your gums

fine retort there Ross lets not try to actually have any sort of facts lets open the personal attack card. I'd have expected somewhat better

[Redneck Ferrari]

Maybe some Nascar drivers are the "worlds best"

2002 Michelin ROC
FERNANDO ALONSO - 01:53.84

JEFF GORDON - 01:53.47

Gordon BEATS Alonso by .37
That's HEAD to HEAD

Gordon's fastest time (tied with Heidfeld) was .4 faster than Alonso
It's not like Gordon has ANY AWD racing experience either, so it was a fair fight (so to speak)
Colin Edwards kicked major a$$ being .81 faster than the next guy in his class Martco Melandri
Here's the results:
http://www.imp.mc/rocwebsite/index.htm

[Ross Stonefeld]

Originally posted by Jordan191


I was wrong on the laps .. thanks for the data It still looks like Tony wh00ped ass

Well yeah, it looks that way

[Spunout]

"Along those lines I'd also be fascinated to see the medical reports of the up and coming drivers to see which series has the fitter applicants."

[ehagar]

Originally posted by vapaokie
Ross, you're better than that last comment.

Jordan191- here's the data you asked for

Robby Gordon

1997- 29th Indy, 19 laps (fire); 41st Charlotte (accident)
2002- 8th Indy, finished; 16th Charlotte (lap down)
2003- 22nd Indy, 169 laps (gearbox); 17th Charlotte (lap down)

Tony Stewart

1999- 9th Indy, 196 laps; 4th Charlotte
2001- 6th Indy, finished; 3rd Charlotte

I'd say advantage Tony, not exactly "about even."

What about Indy qualifying though? Gordon has been excellent in those races but had somethng break, run out of gas, etc... there is more to the story than the stats...

[vapaokie]

Starting positions:

Robby Gordon

97- 12th
02- 11th
03- 3rd

Tony Stewart

99- 24th
01- 7th

[John B]

I guess this thread is appropriate for comments on the Sears Point road race. *****SO DON"T READ THIS IF YOU'RE WAITING TO VIEW THE RACE*****

A good, entertaining event with plenty to talk about despite the yellows (why does there need to be 15 minutes of caution for part of a blown tire on the track). One of the better passes in recent years by Ron Fellows overtaking the Childress cars as they fought for the lead. And a great audio clip of Richard Childress warning R Gordon as he was cruising out front that he would be pissed if Gordon had any problems and blew the race. R Gordon finally gets a win after several road course races slipped through his fingers in past years. Kind of ironic that the Cingular car won after the Nextel sponsor announcement this week. Jeff Gordon was very critical of R Gordon's pass of harvick before they took the caution.

I would have to nominate Kyle Petty's first crash as one of the more astonishing lack of judgements I've seen in a race. He had spun to a stop on the outside of a corner, then simply floored it right into the racing line, where two cars were coming through. I wonder what Jack Sprague thought as he saw Petty gun it right into his path.... and DW was pretty generous in saying "I can only think that all these restraints they have now must have blocked his vision. The other humorous moment was after a restart when Burton, Pruett, Busch et al were racing in what one might call an ambitious manner, and DW said "this is about to get ugly." 30 seconds later they try to go 3-wide into a slow corner, and wind up spinning all together in a sycronized manner that totally blocked the track.....

[petri]

Originally posted by Spunout
To put it simply almost all the odds are against NASCAR drivers, but still they are WORLDS BEST DRIVERS.

Yeah, but not worlds best racers.

[Ross Stonefeld]

NASCAR = best racers

F1 = best drivers