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[Henri Greuter]

For those who might be interested

Phew, this is sacriledge for me: Promoting a TV documentary series because of my all time least favorite F1 driver...

But OK, pass on the news.

National Geographic Channel is airing (at least in Europe that is) a new series of programs entitled "Seconds before death", series start on Friday evening, exact topics not known to me yet.
But: Within the trailer they show a flash of Senna's accident and putting a portrait of him. So one of the programs might be about him and his final crash.

I must admit that I will look for that series to see that Senna program to find out if there is more to learn about what happened that day. Perhaps fans of him, how sad this topic within his career is, might be interested to watch it too.

Anyway, for those who didn't know it to come yet, I don't know the date and if it is gonna be a program at all (!) but keep an eye open on the TV guides etcetera.
Use the knowledge to your benefit, no matter how you have to do that and what your benefit is.
Maybe the NGC Website has more info?

greetings

Henri Greuter

[312 PB]

this is a re-run, no ?

afaik, no new information :

happy to be wrong tho

[Viktor]

On the site, http://www.nationalgeographic.co.uk, there is a banner "Look into the racing legend Ayrton Senna's last seconds" but if you click the link there is no more information :. I will send a email to them.

/Viktor

[Henri Greuter]

Checked out the NGC site myself: for the Dutch readers: program listed : "The Death of Ayrton Senna" scheduled for 11 augustus 4:00:00 AM, Seems to be the only date, no reruns given.

Sorry, didn't look for the other countries listed.

Henri Greuter

[Mosquito]

Would that be the "Going Critical - The Death of Ayrton Senna" documentary, infamous for the spelling error in Ayrton's name?

[lustigson]

Ehm... I found this list on the Dutch NGC website.

Seconds From Death: The Death Of Ayrton Senna (30 mins)

Ayrton Senna was misschien wel de grootste coureur aller tijden, maar in 1994 waren miljoenen kijkers getuige van zijn dood toen hij tijdens een Grand Prix-wedstrijd een muur ramde. De waarheid achter zijn dood komt aan het licht.

1 Augustus 2003, 10:00 pm

2 Augustus 2003, 1:00 am
2 Augustus 2003, 5:00 am
2 Augustus 2003, 4:00 pm

10 Augustus 2003, 9:00 pm

11 Augustus 2003, 12:00 am
11 Augustus 2003, 4:00 am
11 Augustus 2003, 3:00 pm
11 Augustus 2003, 6:00 pm

[aportinga]

Not a thing for the States - typical

[SeanValen]

I think people who know details about the accident will know it all, it's more a programme of those just discovering f1 and getting to know past names like Senna and what happened to him.

[Henri Greuter]

aportinga wrote:

Not a thing for the States - typical


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Well, sometimes I wished the local Indianapolis TV stations were broadcasting worldwide.
I know that during the month of May they do a lot of programs/doc's on topics related with the 500 which, over here in Europe, we never get the chance to see.
But then, how are the US TV reports on GP racing nowadays?



To Lustigson

Ik zat kennelijk op de verkeerde site binnen NGC. Bedankt voor het uitzoeken en weergeven.
Volgens mij heb je hier vast wel wat Nederlandse Senna fans onder de Atlas leden een goede dienst bewezen.


Henri Greuter

[babbel]

Originally posted by lustigson
Ehm... I found this list on the Dutch NGC website.

Seconds From Death: The Death Of Ayrton Senna (30 mins)

Ayrton Senna was misschien wel de grootste coureur aller tijden, maar in 1994 waren miljoenen kijkers getuige van zijn dood toen hij tijdens een Grand Prix-wedstrijd een muur ramde. De waarheid achter zijn dood komt aan het licht.

1 Augustus 2003, 10:00 pm

2 Augustus 2003, 1:00 am
2 Augustus 2003, 5:00 am
2 Augustus 2003, 4:00 pm

10 Augustus 2003, 9:00 pm

11 Augustus 2003, 12:00 am
11 Augustus 2003, 4:00 am
11 Augustus 2003, 3:00 pm
11 Augustus 2003, 6:00 pm

thank you, thank you !!!

[aportinga]

I think people who know details about the accident will know it all, it's more a programme of those just discovering f1 and getting to know past names like Senna and what happened to him.

Agreed.... I like to watch just to see what sort of quality the show is.... especially for a US audience.

[Henri Greuter]

Yesterday evening I saw one of those documentaries within the series "Seconds from death" in which the Senna report will be broadcasted as well. The one I saw was about the Mount St. Helen's eruption. I had an interest in that program since I have been in the blast area of the Mount in June '90.
It was somewhat superficial, but the graphics to illustrate what happened were impressive. If the Senna thing is done as well graphicwise, it micht become an interesting documentory after all. Though it remains somewhat morbid nevertheless.

Just for those who were interested to know, nothing else.


Henri Greuter

[Mosquito]

Originally posted by Henri Greuter
Yesterday evening I saw one of those documentaries within the series "Seconds from death" in which the Senna report will be broadcasted as well. The one I saw was about the Mount St. Helen's eruption. I had an interest in that program since I have been in the blast area of the Mount in June '90.
It was somewhat superficial, but the graphics to illustrate what happened were impressive. If the Senna thing is done as well graphicwise, it micht become an interesting documentory after all. Though it remains somewhat morbid nevertheless.

Just for those who were interested to know, nothing else.


Henri Greuter

Yeah, it was good. I also saw the one on Union Carbide disaster in Bophal which was also of high quality, good built up with the order of events, the contributing factors and errors leading to the eventual spill, etc. Good. Here's hoping the Senna one is of the same quality.

[lustigson]

If that is of the same series, it says a lot about quality. I didn't wacht the entire Mt. St. Helen's episode, but the parts I saw were very good... especially the computer animations.

[benn5325]

Discovery ran this in the US earlier this year. I forget what the show was called.
Countdown to danger or something like that, it was a 1 hour show, 1/2 abt Senna the other 1/2 was about 2 MIGs that crashed at an air show. It concluded that cold tyres was the cause...

[lustigson]

Originally posted by benn5325
It concluded that cold tyres was the cause...

Of the MiGs crashing?

But seriously: it'd be pretty stupid if the programme concludes that. Cold tires don't send a racing car straight on in a corner. :

[benn5325]

It was cold tyres causing low pressures and grounding of the car. Interesting show.
It breaks down the last 8 seconds.

[mic]

Originally posted by Mosquito
Would that be the "Going Critical - The Death of Ayrton Senna" documentary, infamous for the spelling error in Ayrton's name?

"Ayrton Senna"—what's the spelling error?

[WACKO]

Thanks Lustigson... ik onthoud hem in ieder geval ;)

[pRy]

Originally posted by lustigson

Of the MiGs crashing?

But seriously: it'd be pretty stupid if the programme concludes that. Cold tires don't send a racing car straight on in a corner. :

It was more than just the cold tires.. they said the following occured :

- Senna had his Williams set to ride really low to try and get as much speed as he could to keep Schumacher behind him
- Senna warned Damon Hill to try and avoid a certain line in Tamburello as it was upsetting the Williams setup
- Pace car comes out, and Sennas tyres cool down, causing his tyre pressures to drop slightly and his car to ride lower than expected
- On the lap before his crash, Senna bottomed severely at Tamburello, Schumacher himself said he was expecting to see Senna lose it there and then
- On the crash lap, Sennas car is supposed to have bottomed out excessively and created a momentary loss of air flow under the car. Once this airflow resumed, the sudden change in aerodynamics meant Senna was sent into an extreme understeer, himself having made a small correction by turning to the left, he is suddenly pitched to the right, by which point it was too late for him to recover the corner, and he began to apply the brakes.

This theory was presented by Williams. Cold tires indeed don't cause someone to fly off the road but they do cause a car to become unstable and add to that a car that has bottomed severely in the middle of a high speed corner and a momentary loss of airflow under the car which suddenly returns, and its a little more acceptable to conclude Senna was the victim of circumstances which took the control of his car from his hands.

[Mosquito]

Originally posted by mic

"Ayrton Senna"—what's the spelling error?

From: http://www.ayrton-se...es/picsf09.html


Most of all a typo I think, but still it's rather stupid to make such a grave error on the opening title.

Anyway, I think it's not this one, I saw some of the computer animations in a preview highlight already, and I am almost sure it's a seperate (new?) documentary in the series itself.