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[Vitesse2]

I read Caracciola's biographies, and I saw, he won the "Coupe des Alpes". But I am not found results.

 

08/07-11  II Coupe Internationales des Alpes

          Tauern Hohe     5691 ft

          Katschberg Pass 5381 ft

          Costalunga Pass 5278 ft

          Falzarego Pass  6944 ft

          Stelvio         6723 ft

          St. Gothard     6957 ft

          Simplon         6570 ft

 

Can anybody help me? I need Caracciola's results.

The only report of this 1929 event which is available on-line - as far as I know - is in German, published in the Austrian AAZ. But these were not speed hillclimbs as we know them today. They were part of a "regularity" event, with drivers being given a target time to cross the finish line - if they arrived too early or too late they received penalty points: as Caracciola won a Coupe des Glaciers, he must have always arrived at the right time. Exact times would not have been reported as the most important thing about Alpine Trials was reliabilty, not speed.

 

http://anno.onb.ac.a...seite=5&zoom=33

 

You may find Martin Pfundner's book on the Alpine Trials useful:

 

http://books.google....acciola&f=false

Edited by Vitesse2, 14 September 2013 - 11:43.

[D-Type]

The history of the different Alpine Trials and Rallies and their scoring systems is complex and all I have is Martin Pfunder's book which is a thin book covering all the 120-odd Alpine events - Austrian, French, Italian, Swiss, German, Yugoslavian, Hungary and joint events run by two or more national clubs from 1910 to 1973 with only limited results given.

 

The 2nd Coupe International des Alpes was run on 7-11 August 1929, organised by the German and Italian clubs with the Austrian and Swiss clubs as junior partners.  Alpine Cups were awarded to teams that year and were given to the Hansa and BMW teams in the unlimited and 1100cc classes respectively. 36 unpenalised entrants and drivers received an Alpenfecher or Alpine Goblet, including Caracciola in a Mercedes.

The book says there were two timed hillclimbs in Italy, the Stelvio and the Pordoi, where maximum times were fixed for each of the three classes (1100, 3000, unlimited) and penalty points were imposed on anyone slower than these standards, as well as for delays en route.  Carraciola was not one of the fastest four for the Stelvio or fastest three for the Pordoi which is all the book names.

[cyrilposthumus]

So many thanks guys!!!!

[cyrilposthumus]

Some facts Caracciola's Baden-Baden races? When? WHERE? Car type or number? In his autobiography, (Mercedes grand prix ace) listed: 1924 bb race, second. 1926 bb race and hill climb. 1927 bb race, hill climb and tournament???? 1928, 1929.

[Hans Etzrodt]

Thanks to your many contributions over the last years, Leif Snellman has completed another update of the 'Hill Climb Winners' list http://www.kolumbus....ellman/hcw0.htm , which numbers now over 4000.

[Roy C]

A fantastic piece of work! Thanks you guys.