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Lotus Quote

Started by Wolbo , Jul 25 2003 11:47

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#1 Wolbo

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Posted 25 July 2003 - 11:47

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Edited by Wolbo, 13 November 2024 - 21:01.

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#2 Henri Greuter

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Posted 25 July 2003 - 12:01

Graham Hill made that remark.

It was based on the fact that in the 60's Lotus had a bunch of rear wheels breaking off, it happend Hill on several occasions too.

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#3 Gary C

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Posted 25 July 2003 - 12:11

Not Stirling then??

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#4 Henri Greuter

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Posted 25 July 2003 - 12:25

To my best memory it's Graham. Also: Moss had a lot of humor but this kind of dry remarks are more the ones you could expect from Graham.
But I'll be happy to be corrected when I'm wrong.

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#5 Vitesse2

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Posted 25 July 2003 - 12:33

Originally posted by Gary C
Not Stirling then??

Or Innes .....

My first reaction was that it would have been Jochen, but then I remembered there's a picture in Life at the Limit which shows Graham on the grass at Crystal Palace, watching one of his wheels rolling past.

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#6 Barry Boor

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Posted 25 July 2003 - 20:44

...shows Graham on the grass at Crystal Palace, watching one of his wheels rolling past.

I've got THAT wheel!!!!!!

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#7 Vitesse2

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Posted 25 July 2003 - 20:47

Originally posted by Barry Boor

I've got THAT wheel!!!!!!

Blimey! I'd totally forgotten that Barry :up:

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#8 paulhooft

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Posted 26 July 2003 - 16:38

My favourite is Jimmy's:

a Lotus 40?
It is a Lotus 30 with 10 more errors...

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#9 David McKinney

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Posted 26 July 2003 - 18:16

Could have sworn that was Richie Ginther

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#10 Geoff E

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Posted 26 July 2003 - 18:48

Originally posted by David McKinney
Could have sworn that was Richie Ginther

Googling suggests you are right. :up:

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#11 eldougo

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Posted 27 July 2003 - 11:02

It is still a great Quote no matter who said it.

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#12 fines

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Posted 27 July 2003 - 14:28

I don't think Mansell ever drove a 40 or a 30. And as for the wheel quote, that was certainly long around before Mansell donned his helmet for the first time! I'd go for N G Hill.

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#13 fines

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Posted 27 July 2003 - 14:31

I don't think Mansell ever drove a 40 or a 30. And as for the wheel quote, that was certainly long around before Mansell donned his helmet for the first time! I'd go for N G Hill.

On second thoughts, it might have been Andretti

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#14 paulhooft

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Posted 27 July 2003 - 14:52

I have heard Jimmy Clark said so!!
no one else..
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#15 fines

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Posted 27 July 2003 - 20:21

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#16 D-Type

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Posted 27 July 2003 - 20:42

Logically, the wheel quote could have been from Innes Ireland sometime after November 1961, however from the style of it my guess is Graham Hill.

As for the Lotus 40 quote, even if he thought it I think Jimmy's loyalty to Lotus was such that he wouldn't have said it.

I agree with eldougo, both quotes are great, even if they prove to be apocryphal.

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#17 ghinzani

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Posted 27 July 2003 - 20:50

Originally posted by Barry Boor

I've got THAT wheel!!!!!!

Is it attached to a car??

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#18 Gary C

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Posted 27 July 2003 - 21:06

ah....................if only it was!!

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#19 Ray Bell

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Posted 28 July 2003 - 13:17

I can't see how Ginther would have been involved with the 30/40 episode... but I could picture Frank Gardner making that kind of comment.

I'm also sure Clark didn't say it...

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#20 ranbo38

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Posted 29 July 2003 - 12:18

why not ray, he probably could have some cause to.

1965 la times g.p. R.Ginther lotus40 retired lap 28 transmission.

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#21 Ray Bell

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Posted 29 July 2003 - 13:21

If it helps, I'm sure the comment was made in England...

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#22 David McKinney

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Posted 29 July 2003 - 14:37

Not my recollection
Will check references later, but I'm sure it was made in North America (which ties in with what ranbo says)
Probably first reported in Britain though

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#23 Geoff E

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Posted 29 July 2003 - 15:11

This was the URL I sent to Wolbo:- http://www.lotus30.c...Team-Lotus.html

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#24 David Force

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Posted 29 July 2003 - 16:16

I was present at the Goodwood festival of Speed a few years back looking at the Lotus 25 of Cedric Selzer which had just been crashed and was in a bit of a state when Stirling Moss walked up, looked thoughtfully at the car and said ' in my day the wheels came off Lotuses BEORE the accident ! then wandered off...

What a shame we never saw Moss in a Lotus 25 as no doubt had he not had his accident and ended up in the Ferrari just as they were on the decline in 1962 even a driver as great as Stirling (and there were few ) would have found it hard to turn his career back around.

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#25 Ray Bell

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Posted 29 July 2003 - 20:50

Didn't we already note that Rob Walker had dibs on a BRM V8 at that time?

Two things you don't take into account, David. Moss wouldn't have stayed with the Ferrari if it wasn't a winner (he had options), and the Ferrari might not have stayed like that with his input. OMF, after all, had some regard for the boy...

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#26 Henri Greuter

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Posted 30 July 2003 - 06:40

Maybe some German reading members with photographic memory can help us out.
I know that Heinz Pruller once wrote in on of his "Grand Prix Story" books he remembered that one driver had made the quote, I just can't remember in which book anymore. But he did it, I'm sure.

I Did look up the '78 edition because Mario had it happen to him at Watkins Glen which, according Pruller was the first time since Fittipaldi had it happen to him in 1973. But Pruller didn't put the "I remember" part in that chapter as I believed he did.

And when mentioning Pruller, him being an Austrian and focussing in his books on Austrian drivers their perfiormances: Maybe Jochen Rindt is the one who said it! From what I know, Rind also could be very dry humored an make comments like this.

But still, remembering that quote as Pruller published it in one of his books, my money is on a remark by Graham Hill. Remember: Graham had Lotus experiences before going to BRM...

Henri Greuter