53 replies to this topic

[shaggy]

Among English commentators, I often hear them pronounce it as "Air-ton."

While listening to Emmo and Cristiano (I think it was him), I heard them say it more like "A-err-ton."

How do Brasilians pronounce it ?

Thanks.

shaggy

[Rene]

I think they pronounce it
deus

[MONTOYASPEED]

Originally posted by Rene
I think they pronounce it
deus

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[2F-001]

I heard his good friend and mentor, Jo Ramirez, more than once, pronounce it ''Eye-air-ton''. (Though, admittedly, he's not Brazilian...).

[fingers]

I- air- torn

[maclaren]

I spell Ayrton = Ayrton. Simple.

If you want it to be pronounced differently then have different name.

[AlesiUK]

it ie eye-air-ton


murray walker pronounced it correctly that way for a while,but stopped as the brit viewers were confused.Apparently Senna pulled him up about changing it,he had been watching the brit tv recordings!

[michaelab]

2F-001 is most correct so far, but it's more like "Eye-ear-ton". (Eye and ear pronounced like the bits you see and hear with It's definitely 3 syllables, and the stress is on the middle one (ear).

I'm English, but I live in Portugal and all the Portuguese commentators pronounce it that way and it's the only way I've ever heard it pronounced by the (many) Brazilians I've spoken to.

My cat is called Ayrton, because I'm an F1 fan and because I got him from a pet shop near to the Estoril F1 circuit where Ayrton scored his first win

Michael.

[Double Apex]

Originally posted by shaggy
Among English commentators, I often hear them pronounce it as "Air-ton."

While listening to Emmo and Cristiano (I think it was him), I heard them say it more like "A-err-ton."

How do Brasilians pronounce it ?

Thanks.

shaggy

Emmo and Christiano are Brazilians yesno?

1 + 1 = 2 ?

[BorderReiver]

It certainly is Eye-ear-ton, I have a half Brazillian (maternal) mate at Uni who grew up in Sao Paulo and it was literally the first question I ever asked him .

[michaelab]

Originally posted by maclaren
I spell Ayrton = Ayrton. Simple.

If you want it to be pronounced differently then have different name.

I hope you're joking. If you're not it's a very stupid thing to say. English (I'm assuming your first language is English) is about the worst lanuage there is for lack of correlation of spelling to pronounciation so how something is spelled has little relevance anyway. When you're talking about a foreign name or word then you should use the pronounciation rules of that language, not English so saying "get a different name" is not only stupid but insulting.

Michael.

[Williams]

There was a story about Ayrton from Murray Walker, where Murray says that early in his career he was always very careful to pronounce it "Eye-air-ton" Senna, which is apparently correct. But later on, he says he got a bit sloppy and perhaps influenced by the lazier maority of journalists who simply said "Air-tin" Senna.

Murray and Ayrton were pretty good friends, and while Ayrton had never bothered to correct other journalists for their laziness, he apparently saw fit to buttonhole Murray in the pitlane one day to ask "Murray, what ever happened to Eye-Air-Ton ?". I guess Murray straightened up again after that.

[ffiloseta]

Try: ah-eerton.

[michaelab]

Originally posted by ffiloseta
Try: ah-eerton.

It's difficult to get the phonetic spelling right without using the proper phonetic alphabet (which I don't know and wouldn't work on the web anyway) but "ah-eerton" and "eye-ear-ton" are pretty much the same thing when you say them out loud

Michael.

[POLAR]

Thats Ah-eyrh-ton, thrust me.
But thats an ugly, old fashioned name from 19th century, anyway.

[maclaren]

Originally posted by michaelab
I hope you're joking. If you're not it's a very stupid thing to say. English (I'm assuming your first language is English) is about the worst lanuage there is for lack of correlation of spelling to pronounciation so how something is spelled has little relevance anyway. When you're talking about a foreign name or word then you should use the pronounciation rules of that language, not English so saying "get a different name" is not only stupid but insulting.

Michael.

Yes, I agree about english you cannot spell the words how they are written (even if I do for the frustation of english people asking directions ). But I'm finnish and finnish is quite consistent with spelling and it's easy to read Ayrton like if it was any finnish word. It's most straghtforward to spell what you read and not bother with useless little things.

Then again people who are not finnish would spell Ayrton differently with their own weird spellings ;)

[michaelab]

Originally posted by POLAR
Thats Ah-eyrh-ton, thrust me.

I'm not sure I'd really like to thrust you

Michael.

[logic]

Originally posted by maclaren
I spell Ayrton = Ayrton. Simple.

If you want it to be pronounced differently then have different name.

btw.
Schumi = maikkeli
Ralf = ralffi
Kimi = Kimi
David = DC (deecee)
JPM = Montoija
Rubens = Ruubenssi

[michaelab]

Originally posted by maclaren
It's most straghtforward to spell what you read and not bother with useless little things.

I agree it's easier, but I think people should try and pronounce names the way the person themselves pronounces it if they can. My name (Michael) is unpronouncable the way it is written, in Portuguese but all my Portuguese friends still call me Michael (Mai-kel) and not Miguel (the Portuguese equivalent) or some other weirdness. Even though I'm half German, my German family still call me "Mai-kel" and not "mich-a-el" (the way Germans pronounce it which, oddly enough, is just how it's written!)

Michael.

[molive]

Originally posted by ffiloseta
Try: ah-eerton.

thats the closest so far. Ah-eer-ton.

[glorius&victorius]

Ah-yeerh-ton

Brasilians pronounce "R" like "RH" (right, my Brasilian friends? )
So -> Rio = Rheeyou

[michaelab]

Originally posted by glorius&victorius
Brasilians pronounce "R" like "RH" (right, my Brasilian friends? )
So -> Rio = Rheeyou

By "RH" I assume you mean an R pronounced from the back of the throat (like German's do), in which case you are correct, allthough it's only Rs at the start of a word and in this case (Ayrton) its really not pronounced at all so is irelevant

Brazilians pronounce the "gutteral" R (from the throat) at the start of words in a much softer way to the Portuguese, so much so that it can almost sound like an H.

On the topic, Ah-eer-ton, Ah-yeer-ton, eye-ear-ton - they're all the same if you're pronouncing them as an English person would.

Michael.

[Dead Sexy]

Originally posted by maclaren
I spell Ayrton = Ayrton. Simple.

If you want it to be pronounced differently then have different name.

No one is asking how you spell it - that's not the issue. Pronunciation is what is being questioned here.

Thanks though, that's the funniest thing I've read in a while.

[kismet]

While it's true that Finnish has a nearly perfect correlation between spelling and pronounciation as one of its defining characteristics, it doesn't mean that it's perfectly OK to apply that rule to foreign names. You're only instructed to do that when you don't know the correct pronounciation. That's when, instead of making a creative guess and butchering a perfectly good name beyond recognition with a fancy-sounding but fundamentally erraneous pronounciation, you just say the name as it reads. Of course, should you do that to an English name, you'd come across as a complete idiot. Portuguese is relatively fair game, though.

[AlesiUK]

Originally posted by Dead Sexy




No one is asking how you spell it - that's not the issue. Pronunciation is what is being questioned here.

u
Thanks though, that's the funniest thing I've read in a while.

u obviously dont read a lot ;)

[Dead Sexy]

Originally posted by AlesiUK


u obviously dont read a lot ;)

Obviously not what you read.

[WillieF1]

Originally posted by AlesiUK
it ie eye-air-ton

This looks like a fine example of your scots language shining through.

[ensign14]

Actually, what people do not know is that Senna was half-Scottish and his first name was spelt, and pronounced, Colin.

[BorderReiver]

Originally posted by ensign14
Actually, what people do not know is that Senna was half-Scottish and his first name was spelt, and pronounced, Colin.

Would that be Coll-In , as in Chapman?

Or Coal-in, as in Powell?

;)

[BuonoBruttoCattivo]

According to Brazilian colleauge of mine:

Ah-heer-toun

[mp4]

I-Air-Tonne Say-Nah
I named my kitty after Ayrton Senna. SHADDUP AWREADDY!!! ;)

Cheers

[POLAR]

Thats another advantage for Nelson Piquet.

[austin]

I think some people need to learn how to pronounce his last name. I just hate it when commentators call him "Senner". How/why did the 'ER' sound get in there???

[Svenko Wankerov]

For some reason CART fans keep pronouncing it as "Juan Pablo".

[MrSlow]

Slightly, but not completely OT, BuonoBruttoCattivo, is that the original name of the wonderful film by Ettore Scola? I don't know what the english name is, but I guess something like "Ugly, dirty & mean"?

[ffiloseta]

The Good, The Bad and the Ugly.

[ffiloseta]

Oh, and the director was Sergio Leone...

[MrSlow]

Yes, but that is a completely different movie

[MrSlow]

Google came to assist me.

Brutti, sporchi e cattivi

It was quite close

[ffiloseta]

Originally posted by MrSlow
Yes, but that is a completely different movie

Well, let's see:

Il Buono, Il Brutto e Il Cattivo -BuonoBruttoCattivo- was called The Good, The Bad and The Ugly and I think it is one of the best westerns ever made. Ok, SPAGHETTI Western ;) .

The film by Scola was Brutti, Sporchi e Cattivi (no "Good" or "Buono", you see) and is about a very different thing.

There !

[doohanOK]

Originally posted by michaelab

I hope you're joking. If you're not it's a very stupid thing to say. English (I'm assuming your first language is English) is about the worst lanuage there is for lack of correlation of spelling to pronounciation so how something is spelled has little relevance anyway. When you're talking about a foreign name or word then you should use the pronounciation rules of that language, not English so saying "get a different name" is not only stupid but insulting.

Michael.

No such word as "pronounciation", Michael - it's "pronunciation". A lot of people have a habit of saying "noun" instead of "nun" when saying the word!!!

I think a lot of people say "Air-tun" because it's rolls of the tongue easier than "eye-air-tun".

regards,
doohanOK.

[MrSlow]

Originally posted by ffiloseta


Well, let's see:

Il Buono, Il Brutto e Il Cattivo -BuonoBruttoCattivo- was called The Good, The Bad and The Ugly and I think it is one of the best westerns ever made. Ok, SPAGHETTI Western ;) .

The film by Scola was Brutti, Sporchi e Cattivi (no "Good" or "Buono", you see) and is about a very different thing.

There !

I think I just admitted my mistake in the previous post.
I don't speak Italian.

[coyoteBR]

there's the Minas Gerais variable, too... earh-to. or, more phonetically...Írrrto

[ffiloseta]

Originally posted by MrSlow
I think I just admitted my mistake in the previous post.
I don't speak Italian.

Sorry, I didn't read it

[Punisher6]

Isn't it I-Air-Ton??

[EnzoHonda]

Originally posted by austin
I think some people need to learn how to pronounce his last name. I just hate it when commentators call him "Senner". How/why did the 'ER' sound get in there???

The Brits like to turn "a" at the end of a word into "er."

"Look at Senner take his Honder powered McLaren around Monzer!"

I have no idea where it came from, but then as a Canadian I have no idea where we got our goofy language things either.

As for the pronunciation of "Ayrton," I usually just call him "Senna" because it's easier.

[BuonoBruttoCattivo]

Originally posted by coyoteBR
there's the Minas Gerais variable, too... earh-to. or, more phonetically...Írrrto

Thats it!!!
My Brazil colleague (from Minas Gerais) told me that that is how Ayrton is pronounced [earh-to].
It sounded very strange and totally wrong, so I dismissed him as full-of-****, yet he never explained that that is in a diff. dialect. :
I owe him an apology...
Thanks Coyote.

[BuonoBruttoCattivo]

Originally posted by MrSlow
Slightly, but not completely OT, BuonoBruttoCattivo, is that the original name of the wonderful film by Ettore Scola? I don't know what the english name is, but I guess something like "Ugly, dirty & mean"?

[Valentino R]

Originally posted by michaelab

By "RH" I assume you mean an R pronounced from the back of the throat (like German's do), in which case you are correct, allthough it's only Rs at the start of a word and in this case (Ayrton) its really not pronounced at all so is irelevant

Brazilians pronounce the "gutteral" R (from the throat) at the start of words in a much softer way to the Portuguese, so much so that it can almost sound like an H.

On the topic, Ah-eer-ton, Ah-yeer-ton, eye-ear-ton - they're all the same if you're pronouncing them as an English person would.

Michael.

I am Brazilian and you are absolutely right. In the beginning of a word we pronounce letter R accurately as who speek english pronounces a H. But the best way to pronounce Ayrton is Ah-eer-ton.

The last name of Nelson Piquet you people also pronounce wrong. That's not PIquet, but PiquÊ

[Peter]

I thought Senna's first name was now "the late"