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#801 ellrosso

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Posted 18 September 2018 - 10:15

Ah! Well done Ray. Thanks for that. I must say it looks very different to the Wren FJ and Wren FF - would never have picked that.....



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#802 Ray Bell

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Posted 18 September 2018 - 10:55

It does look raggy enough to be a Wren...

Certainly not like a Brabham.

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Posted 19 September 2018 - 07:38

Hi Ellrosso

Great photos of yours

If you have any questions that you would like me to arks on the Hume Weir page just yell out.

Would I be able to post your photo on the Dedication to the Hume Weir Raceway page? If I did I will credit the photos to you, (This may also help you.

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Now I've re-scanned these Hume Weir shots and Lakis Manticas is in one of them, I'm pretty sure they must be 1968 as I don't think Lakis raced the Buckle in 1967 - pretty sure he was in a Series Prod Cooper S then. Any feedback welcome.
All these shots are from the same meeting. Any ideas re the No 3 openwheeler - I thought it could be Ray Boys in the F3 Brabham.4611_P_RReid_67-lo.jpg4612_F_F2s_67-lo.jpg4614_P_Start_67-lo.jpg4616_P_Lakis_67-lo.jpg4618_P_FJs_67-lo.jpg



#804 ellrosso

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Posted 19 September 2018 - 07:43

Yes no problem Mouserat - if you could credit oldracephotos.com/Stuart Phillips that would be appreciated. Cheers ellrosso



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Posted 19 September 2018 - 07:57

I PM you my email address tomorrow

Regards Mouserat

Yes no problem Mouserat - if you could credit oldracephotos.com/Stuart Phillips that would be appreciated. Cheers ellrosso



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Posted 19 September 2018 - 08:04

Mind you some of the early Brabham's could look a bit ropey too - this was the era I was thinking of re the Wren Bellett. Another Weir shot to keep on thread.1383-_H-_Brabcar-69-lo.jpg4609_P_Blanch_67-lo.jpg4619_P_FJs_67-lo.jpg4620_P_FJ_67-lo.jpg



#807 Ray Bell

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Posted 19 September 2018 - 08:25

We really do need some Hume Weir programmes, don't we?

A small point, the Wren Bellett couldn't be a Formula 2 car. In those time ANF2 was 1100cc, Belletts were 1500 and 1600cc. And it must have been a fairly new car, unlike Sternberg's 1962 Brabham.

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Posted 19 September 2018 - 10:30

Ray, ANF3 was 1100cc in 1968 wasn't it? ANF2 was 1.5 litre at that time. While the Wren was probably quite new at that time it looks very similar to that old Brabham to my eyes, and Hume Weir was full of "run what you brung" back in those days, typified by the Austin 7 brigade "ockers" as they were known back then + Bernie Ferri's Faux Pas, John Jones HVW, Greg Goddard's self named Holden engined special, Wayne Ford's Cooper Holden, Ken Cox's low line Cooper Ford V8 etc,etc.


Edited by ellrosso, 19 September 2018 - 10:39.


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Posted 19 September 2018 - 11:14

Few more shots - some good Hume Weir atmosphere too.9094_F_Jane_69-lo.jpg9129_F_Weir_69-lo.jpg9130_F_SRC_69-lo.jpg9139_F_Vee_69-lo.jpg9237_F_Jane_68-lo.jpg9258_F_HVW_68-lo.jpg



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Posted 19 September 2018 - 11:53

Hello ellrosso

I have just sent you a PM

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#811 Ray Bell

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Posted 19 September 2018 - 13:15

Originally posted by ellrosso
Ray, ANF3 was 1100cc in 1968 wasn't it? ANF2 was 1.5 litre at that time. While the Wren was probably quite new at that time it looks very similar to that old Brabham to my eyes, and Hume Weir was full of "run what you brung" back in those days, typified by the Austin 7 brigade "ockers" as they were known back then + Bernie Ferri's Faux Pas, John Jones HVW, Greg Goddard's self named Holden engined special, Wayne Ford's Cooper Holden, Ken Cox's low line Cooper Ford V8


The change of the 1100cc class from ANF2 to ANF3 was in 1969. ANF2 was never 1500cc, that was ANF1½. ANF2 was 1600cc from 1969, with a 2-valve rule coming in after a year or two.

The spinning car in the last of the colour pics has a Holden engine, I'm thinking it is Wayne Ford's Cooper-Holden, could that be right? Probably the June 9 meeting of 1968.

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Posted 19 September 2018 - 21:50

Thanks for clearing that up Ray. I'll be in touch Mouserat. I have shots of both John Jones and Wayne Ford's cars in Autosportsmans. Will dig them up later today and post today hopefully or tomorrow.



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Posted 19 September 2018 - 21:52

Few more shots - some good Hume Weir atmosphere too.9094_F_Jane_69-lo.jpg9129_F_Weir_69-lo.jpg9130_F_SRC_69-lo.jpg9139_F_Vee_69-lo.jpg9237_F_Jane_68-lo.jpg9258_F_HVW_68-lo.jpg


It is strange to see Jane in a BRONZE/GOLD helmet in the Elfin 400. I don't recall it.

I recall him in a dark ORANGE helmet which Romsey Quints referred to as "the JAFFA hat"

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Posted 20 September 2018 - 00:32

I know Jane was certainly wearing the gold helmet in the 70's as I remember it from ATCC meetings at Symmons. Attached are shots from Autosportsman of Wayne Ford, Greg Goddard (P Island) and John Jones HVW (Winton). Wayne_Ford-lo.jpgGreg_Goddard-lo.jpgJohn_Jones_HVW-lo.jpg



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Posted 20 September 2018 - 00:59

Here are a few shots of Jane's helmets. Looks like he was into silver by 1971. I don't have any colour from 1966 but I'd say it was still red. In 1965 he was both red and white!5255_E_Jane_65-lo.jpg6394_I_Jane_65-lo.jpg8858_F_Elf400_68-lo.jpg10588_F_Jane_71-lo.jpg5344_B_Elf400_67-lo.jpg



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Posted 20 September 2018 - 01:04

Notes on the last shot from Longford 1967, excuse the focus..  Lotus Super 7 - Peter Mawdesley (ex Ling), in front - Elfin Streamliner - Ross Ambrose, Glyn Scott Lotus 23 in front of him, green Lotus 23 to left is Alan Ling,

purple car front of Lotus 7 is Kerry Cox Paramount Jag, Bob Holden SRC Cooper S next to him.



#817 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 20 September 2018 - 03:15

Few more shots - some good Hume Weir atmosphere too.9094_F_Jane_69-lo.jpg9129_F_Weir_69-lo.jpg9130_F_SRC_69-lo.jpg9139_F_Vee_69-lo.jpg9237_F_Jane_68-lo.jpg9258_F_HVW_68-lo.jpg

Nice to see a decent engine in an open wheeler,, though the VW gearbox is a worry.

As well as Larry, F1, Bathurst winner and off road racer. He is practicing in the Vee.

And pukka Sports Cars,, and a beach buggy!


Edited by Lee Nicolle, 20 September 2018 - 03:22.


#818 Ray Bell

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Posted 20 September 2018 - 03:26

VW rear brakes too...

'HVW' obviously stood for 'Holden-VW'.

Norm Meller is there next to Glyn as usual, Lindsay.

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Posted 21 September 2018 - 08:00

Hi all, Does anyone know the meeting Bob Jane crash her Torana at the Weir? and what is the car/ driver on 180? Is it a Holden HR?? This photo might have been taken around 1971

Thanks

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#820 Ray Bell

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Posted 21 September 2018 - 08:14

That's a Valiant, isn't it?

I'll have a check later, I think it would be '72.

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Posted 21 September 2018 - 08:33

I'd vote for a Valiant as well.  It looks a bit funny at the rear but the missing rear bumper doesn't help.   I think this photo should be credited to Monty Leslie who recently posted it on Facebook.



#822 Ray Bell

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Posted 21 September 2018 - 09:41

It could be the September 1971 meeting...

There was a start-line crash involving a number of cars and Pat Crea went out in the lead. Jane caught and passed him, but I'm thinking it's possible Jane's car was damaged on the grid to result in him not leading from the start.

The event description is, as usual, lacking.

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Posted 21 September 2018 - 11:07

That's Kevin Fryer HR Holden. The shot I have of him on the ORP website is Dec1971 meeting.



#824 mouserat159

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Posted 22 September 2018 - 01:41

Thank you very much for your answers and clearing up the question.

Librules, yes I know its a Monty Lesley photo. I just restored the photo for him and l just thought I would see if I can get the drivers names before I post it back to him.

Thank you for the information

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#825 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 22 September 2018 - 03:37

That's Kevin Fryer HR Holden. The shot I have of him on the ORP website is Dec1971 meeting.

Did Fryer race that HR for over 20 years? I raced against it at Winton late 90s From memory 308 power at that time.


Edited by Lee Nicolle, 22 September 2018 - 03:38.


#826 Ray Bell

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Posted 25 September 2018 - 01:22

Originally posted by ellrosso
Few more shots - some good Hume Weir atmosphere too.

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I cannot find a race report tying in with this race...

It seems to be a handicap, Mulhauser with David Clement (no 's') in hot pursuit. That fits with the Boxing Day meeting in 1969.

However, the race report doesn't tie in with this assembly of cars. Peter Brock is in there behind Clement, by the way, and David remembers once beating Brock in a handicap at Hume Weir.

Is it just the skimpiness of the Adrian Ryan reports letting us down, or was it a different race?

#827 mouserat159

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Posted 09 October 2018 - 06:33

Hello Ellrosso

did you receive my PM re my e-mail address?

the PM is showing that you have not read it yet

Regards

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#828 mouserat159

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Posted 12 October 2018 - 07:01

Hi this is Monty Leslie's photo that I restored for him. Before I post it back to him can someone please be able to tell me the drivers Leading in Bob Jane in Torana XU1. 2nd Harry Lefoe in the Imp. Would anyone know the drivers of the blue Mini & the green Torana XU1 I think the year would be 1971

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#829 ellrosso

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Posted 12 October 2018 - 08:30

I'll have a crack at the Mini - looks like John Leffler in the works BLMC Sports Racing Closed Cooper S. Not sure of the XU-1 though.



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Posted 12 October 2018 - 11:13

Thank you Ellrosso

Would anyone else be able to help with the others?

Thanks

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I'll have a crack at the Mini - looks like John Leffler in the works BLMC Sports Racing Closed Cooper S. Not sure of the XU-1 though.[/quote]

Edited by mouserat159, 12 October 2018 - 11:19.


#831 Ray Bell

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Posted 12 October 2018 - 11:18

If you can wait until Monday I'll find the race report and give you a better idea...

I'm thinking it might be the Pat Peck Torana, but there was so many of those cars.

#832 mouserat159

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Posted 12 October 2018 - 11:23

Thank you Ray

I'll wait until Monday for you. I think it would have been in 1971 or 72?

Thanks Mouserat

#833 Ray Bell

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Posted 17 October 2018 - 00:05

Boxing Day, 1971...

Jane, Lefoe, Leffler and Pat Peck.

#834 mouserat159

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Posted 17 October 2018 - 00:25

Hi Ray.

Thank you very much

Regards,

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Posted 23 October 2018 - 05:09

Here is a good quality photo - click on the image to enlarge.

 

http://wwwbollyblog....collection.html



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Posted 23 October 2018 - 08:35

Here is a good quality photo - click on the image to enlarge.

 

http://wwwbollyblog....collection.html

Scroll down a bit and you see a great pic of the Bernie Van Elsen  K&A Bolwell.

Though there is something wrong. Doig is not under the wing!


Edited by Lee Nicolle, 10 January 2019 - 04:33.


#837 Ray Bell

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Posted 23 October 2018 - 11:45

Just to correct the caption to that linked photo...

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Ranald Maclurkin is leading Richard Stiegler and David Peile, the meeting is not late in 1973, but Boxing Day 1972.

I believe it's worth posting this photo here because it gives a panoramic view of the top end of the circuit.




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Edited by Ray Bell, 23 October 2018 - 11:51.


#838 mouserat159

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Posted 23 October 2018 - 11:56

Thank you Wirra. This photo was taken by my father. It was on a slide witch I scanned a few years ago.

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Here is a good quality photo - click on the image to enlarge.
 
http://wwwbollyblog....collection.html



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Posted 08 January 2019 - 22:56

Hi All

this is Monty Leslie's photo that I restored for him. Does anyone know the driver & the make of car behind Jane- is it a Cortina? And is that John Leffler in the works BLMC Sports Racing Closed Cooper S

Thank you

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#840 Ray Bell

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Posted 08 January 2019 - 23:39

I found it...

 

Alex Moore in the Derrard Cortina.



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Posted 09 January 2019 - 00:06

Hi Ray.

Thank you very much Ray

Mouserat

I found it...
 
Alex Moore in the Derrard Cortina.



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Posted 11 January 2019 - 12:54

Is that the V8 Imp running with them? The mechanical architecture of that thing intrigues me, let along the dynamics...
Roger Lund

#843 Ray Bell

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Posted 11 January 2019 - 19:53

Yea, Ford (289?) powered...

Another one was once being constructed, it was to be the last race car Eldred Norman built. It had a totally removable rear chassis which contained the BOP/Rover V8 and was to be driven by Bill Norman.

#844 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 12 January 2019 - 00:44

There is a black/ gold Rover powered Imp playing Historic Sports Sedans here in SA for the last few years.

Troy [surneame?] who runs a rapid Sprite owns it.

There is pics on here somewhere at Mallala, same year [and others] I ran my Torana IP car.



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Posted 12 January 2019 - 00:46

Is that the V8 Imp running with them? The mechanical architecture of that thing intrigues me, let along the dynamics...
Roger Lund

I never saw it but reading reports it was quite quick and handled ok. About 4 foot track and wheelbase, it would keep you alert!



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Posted 12 January 2019 - 10:42

Harry Lefoe also had a V8 engined Hillman Imp Sports Sedan, but I think he was mainly Sydney based??

 

https://www.shannons...wildest-v8-imp/



#847 Ray Bell

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Posted 12 January 2019 - 11:56

Lefoe is the one we're discussing from the photo...

He was from Melbourne, though he did race at Oran Park a few times.

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Posted 12 January 2019 - 12:14

Sorry Ray, there appeared to be no mention of Lefoe in relation to his Hillman Imp Sports Sedan in the previous posts. I always thought he was from NSW rather than Vic as he seemed to do a lot of his races at Oran Park. Maybe my memory from back then.



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Posted 13 January 2019 - 00:09

Thanks, Ray, I have heard of the planned Eldred device from elsewhere. Over here our rear engined special saloons tended to be plastic lookalike bodies on rear engined sports racers, with the notable exception of a DAF55 with a Rover V8 at the rear. The other real exception was the rear Rover engined Mini S driving the front wheels, built and raced by my hero Harry Ratcliffe, one of our finest saloon engineers and racers in period. He built it as an exercise to see how it would work.
Perhaps you recall seeing my pal David's 2004 Fiesta with a Mondeo transverse 2.5 litre V6 fitted north to south in the back.
OT a bit, Btw, the chap who bought the sweeping winged black sports car which you saw here, which David built from scratch, opted to have it type approved , involving a lot of beurocratic hassle, rather than a Q plate for a kit car. It passed easily, only needing a calibrated speedo, and carries a 17 plate, so David is Wales' only recognised motor car manufacturer , until Aston Martin get there act together down here at the old RAF base.
Roger

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#850 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 13 January 2019 - 04:12

There was also a Imp Sports Sedan in the 80s that started with I feel Mitsi [Galant] 4 engine in the back and then later raced by Ivan Piatenisi with one of those antisocial chicken cooker things. 

That was at best sketchy, 300hp behind the axle. And Ivan is a very good operator.

Though there was also Dick Wards Mighty Mouse Fiat 600 also with the rotary literally hanging out the back and that was quick. Dick is still playing with it as a historic Sports Sedan though a lot more carefully as it bit him at a WA hillclimb.