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#1001 cooper997

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Posted 05 October 2019 - 06:31

Mouserat... that photo could be taken at any HW meeting over say 1963 to 1966/67. Probably helped if we knew how long 'Craven A' ciggies lasted on the dividing concrete barrier. But it's hard to pinpoint that meeting/race quickly. I can only suggest that if you have photos from the same source/batch then that might help the rest of us get closer to the date.

 

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#1002 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 05 October 2019 - 07:30

Hello,

 

Can someone please be able to help me identifly the cars & drivers in this photo  I am pity sure that photo was taken on the 13/3/61 (the International meeting with Jack Brabham & Roy Salvadory in attendance. That was only a guess because the bitumen looks freshly layed. Thank you :)   

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By the look of the bitumen [coldmix it appears] it was a hot day.  So probably not June!



#1003 mouserat159

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Posted 07 October 2019 - 07:06

Thank you for you replies Stephen & Lee

 

Regards,

 

Mouserat



#1004 Ray Bell

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Posted 08 October 2019 - 01:00

A few clues:

Cruising through some race reports, with almost zero mention of Sprites, I learned that Hume Weir was hotmixed in stages during 1966.

Over reports from 1963 to 1966 I found mention of four TR3s, driver names being Thompson, Duckett (Lyndon?), Ian McNeill, Brian Gilles (specifically mentioned as TR3As) while it was said that there was a 'brace of Triumphs' in the way of quicker cars at one 1966 meeting.

Sprites were usually mentioned only as in groups, names which did emerge were Howard Hill, Geoff Watson, Linden Sampson and Joe Hlubecek.

It seems to me, however, that you could overcome a lot of this stuff by obtaining old programmes and result sheets. Surely, if you checked out old members of the ADCC you would find someone who kept all of these and could let you photocopy the entry list pages from them?

#1005 mouserat159

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Posted 08 October 2019 - 04:12

Hi Ray.

 

Thank you very much for your help.

 

Regards

 

Mouserat 

 

A few clues:

Cruising through some race reports, with almost zero mention of Sprites, I learned that Hume Weir was hotmixed in stages during 1966.

Over reports from 1963 to 1966 I found mention of four TR3s, driver names being Thompson, Duckett (Lyndon?), Ian McNeill, Brian Gilles (specifically mentioned as TR3As) while it was said that there was a 'brace of Triumphs' in the way of quicker cars at one 1966 meeting.

Sprites were usually mentioned only as in groups, names which did emerge were Howard Hill, Geoff Watson, Linden Sampson and Joe Hlubecek.

It seems to me, however, that you could overcome a lot of this stuff by obtaining old programmes and result sheets. Surely, if you checked out old members of the ADCC you would find someone who kept all of these and could let you photocopy the entry list pages from them?



#1006 mouserat159

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Posted 08 October 2019 - 04:22

Hi all.

 

Would anyone know who is behind Ross Wittig?

 

Thanks,

 

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#1007 GMACKIE

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Posted 08 October 2019 - 21:54

Bit of a guess - Darryl Gretgrix?



#1008 mouserat159

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Posted 16 October 2019 - 01:47

Hi Greg, That you very much.

 

Regards,

 

Mouserat

 

Bit of a guess - Darryl Gretgrix?



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Posted 16 October 2019 - 01:55

Hi all

would any one know the date that Brian Potts crashed at the Weir.

 

Thank you.

 

Moruserat

 

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#1010 Ray Bell

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Posted 16 October 2019 - 05:40

Once again the 'next meeting is Easter' is there in the background...

It's no later than 1972, but I haven't yet found anything.

Is there any chance you can chase up locally and find some programmes? It would be easier for you to do that.

Also, did this pic come with a batch of which we have looked at some before?

#1011 mouserat159

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Posted 16 October 2019 - 11:10

Hi Ray,

Thank you very much for your reply. I read the net meeting sign advertising the next meeting was Easter. But I just thought there might be a race report somewhere around that mentioned about Brian Potts accident at the Weir. I forget what batch I got the photo from. When I see photos from the Hume Weir I save then & try to restore them before posting them to the Hume Weir Facebook page. I try to get as much info before hand.
Thank you Ray.
Dose anyone elies know when Brian Pots had his crash?
Thank you

Mouserat 😊

#1012 Glenn Moulds

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Posted 16 October 2019 - 23:17

Mouserat, looks like this photo could be from the 27 December 1971 meeting. RCN mentions Potts crashing in the 20 lap Sports Sedan race "and slammed into the concrete dividing wall, knocking over a fair section of it." The report doesn't say what car he was driving however.



#1013 Ray Bell

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Posted 17 October 2019 - 00:14

Looks like there's a bit of a typo there, Glenn...

The meeting, being on Boxing Day, would have been on December 26.

Mouserat, let's just consider a few things here.

We're always happy to help you with identification of these pics. But now you say you want them identified so you can put them on a Fecesbook page?

How about you just post them here? And are there others we don't get to see that you don't post here because you can identify them without our help?

Additionally, you say you take them out of their batches to work on them, but why not identify them for the purpose by giving them filenames based on their batches? Then you would know what was what the whole way through.

And, once again, you are right on the spot. I believe it would be relatively easy for you to find/beg/steal/borrow all the programmes you need to accomplish this.

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Posted 17 October 2019 - 01:18

Ray, as you're more than aware sometimes dating meetings is difficult. But as far as I'm aware both Glenn and you are correct. I have 26-27 December 1971 listed for this meeting. That being so, then it must be the same meeting as the Jane Camaro & Beechey Monaro photo in post 992  So I agree it would be great if mouserat changes the file system to reflect where/when finding these and batches them accordingly. It will certainly save time digging out and checking through the same number of magazine race reports for one photo ID, as it could for two or more.. 

 

Back to HW event dating, it's worth mentioning that over the years the 'Boxing Day meeting' wasn't set to the 26th.

 

Stephen



#1015 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 17 October 2019 - 02:01

Hi all

would any one know the date that Brian Potts crashed at the Weir.

 

Thank you.

 

Moruserat

 

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I always equate Brian Potts with a fairly quick V8 LJ Torana Sport Sedan.

I think he is still dabbling with a Nc car?



#1016 Ray Bell

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Posted 17 October 2019 - 05:16

V8?

For the most part he ran a six. I'm thinking that he had a Chev 6 in it.

The previous RCN report says that the next meeting will be on the 26th.

#1017 Dale Harvey

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Posted 17 October 2019 - 20:33

He raced a V8 engined Torana after the 6 cylinder one. I think it was the ex Brian Thomson car.

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Posted 18 October 2019 - 19:00

7854-N-Potts-79-TNF.jpgYes it was ex Thomson (Gene Cook, Mike Gore, Myer and McMahon too)


Edited by ellrosso, 18 October 2019 - 19:06.


#1019 mouserat159

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Posted 14 November 2019 - 00:12

Hi Glenn

 

Thank you very much fir your reply.

 

Regards

 

Mouserat

 

Mouserat, looks like this photo could be from the 27 December 1971 meeting. RCN mentions Potts crashing in the 20 lap Sports Sedan race "and slammed into the concrete dividing wall, knocking over a fair section of it." The report doesn't say what car he was driving however.



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#1020 mouserat159

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Posted 14 November 2019 - 00:40

Hi.

Would anyone be able to help me out with the driver of this Toyota Corolla? in the pits at the Hume?

 

Thanks

 

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#1021 GMACKIE

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Posted 14 November 2019 - 03:03

Leonard Teale or Bob Morris?



#1022 Ray Bell

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Posted 14 November 2019 - 03:04

The name on the back is 'L TEALE'...

Presumably Leonard Teale, who raced one of those Corollas frequently at Calder.

How did you get on chasing up local people for programmes etc?

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Posted 14 November 2019 - 07:06

Hi Greg & Ray.

 

Thank you very much for your replies & Help.

 

Ray, I am still trying to chase up more programmes. The AWDCC has apparently has all the Hume Weir  programmes but unfortunately I'm not a member of.

 

Thank you once again

 

Regards.

 

Mouserat



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Posted 15 November 2019 - 04:16

Its a Toyota Corolla SL Mouserat159. Few pics of Teale - the colour shot from Calder is very accurate too. The pit shot is not right - too Saturated in Photoshop or something. The car was pretty standard - had two downdraught dual throat carbs (maybe Webers), extractors and that was about it. I was at both his Tassy meetings (Syms and Baskerville) and he was a big hit with the fans. Due to his role in Homicide he was one of the big stars on Oz TV back then. Married to Liz Harris who was also on TV too on arvo kids show. B/w Syms shot : Peter Connell Cortina GT behind. Unknown FJ's, Stephen Quon Corolla at rear.

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#1025 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 15 November 2019 - 08:20

The first FJ has the defenition of understeer!

Though not as bad as some pics of Jags that Lindsay has put up over a time.


Edited by Lee Nicolle, 15 November 2019 - 08:21.


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Posted 01 December 2019 - 08:27

Hi Ellrosso

 

Thank you very much for your help.

 

Regards.

 

Mouserat

 

Its a Toyota Corolla SL Mouserat159. Few pics of Teale - the colour shot from Calder is very accurate too. The pit shot is not right - too Saturated in Photoshop or something. The car was pretty standard - had two downdraught dual throat carbs (maybe Webers), extractors and that was about it. I was at both his Tassy meetings (Syms and Baskerville) and he was a big hit with the fans. Due to his role in Homicide he was one of the big stars on Oz TV back then. Married to Liz Harris who was also on TV too on arvo kids show. B/w Syms shot : Peter Connell Cortina GT behind. Unknown FJ's, Stephen Quon Corolla at rear.

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Edited by mouserat159, 01 December 2019 - 08:28.


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Posted 02 December 2019 - 04:16

Hi all, here is Lakis Manticas’ L.W.T ? Mini in the pits at the Weir. Who is the driver of the other Mini - can this be a Warren Each? I don't know if the “E" is the first letter or if the "A" pillar on the Manticas L.W.T ? Mini is blocking some letters. I’m guessing the meeting was in the Autumn of 1970?

Thank you

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#1028 Ray Bell

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Posted 02 December 2019 - 05:00

What photos haven't you shown us?

That really looks like it could be 'Leach' but I can't say I recall anyone with that name.

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Posted 02 December 2019 - 05:43

Boy, Lakis was lucky he never had a major shunt in that thing! Looks so flimsy....... par for the course back then though.



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Posted 02 December 2019 - 06:04

Hi all, here is Lakis Manticas’ L.W.T ? Mini in the pits at the Weir. Who is the driver of the other Mini - can this be a Warren Each? I don't know if the “E" is the first letter or if the "A" pillar on the Manticas L.W.T ? Mini is blocking some letters. I’m guessing the meeting was in the Autumn of 1970?

Thank you

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This photo was first posted on Thursday last, on Bob Williamson's Old Motor Racing Facebook Group.

The original poster, Peter Garrad, who took the photo, has carefully described the scene, including the name of the person sitting in the car, a Nigel MacLaurin, and the owner of the car, an Improved Production Cooper S, Warren Leach.

Oh, and that's Peter's Esky between the two cars !!

That's his "then Girlfriend" in the Lakis car.

And, it's Easter 1968.

I'm amazed that the caption didn't follow the photo into this forum.

Would have saved a bit of time.......

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Posted 02 December 2019 - 07:52

Boy, Lakis was lucky he never had a major shunt in that thing! Looks so flimsy....... par for the course back then though.

Lindsay, he already had. Lakis was racing a very early Aussie-built Cooper S (If memory serves correct the 26th built) and rolled it. The Buckle roof was the fix.

 

Stephen



#1032 mouserat159

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Posted 02 December 2019 - 09:18

Thank you very much Lyntonh for your help.

 

Yes that pic would have been on Facebook somewhere, I just got PMed the photo with on names on who was in the photo

 

Thanks everyone.

 

Mouserat

 

This photo was first posted on Thursday last, on Bob Williamson's Old Motor Racing Facebook Group.

The original poster, Peter Garrad, who took the photo, has carefully described the scene, including the name of the person sitting in the car, a Nigel MacLaurin, and the owner of the car, an Improved Production Cooper S, Warren Leach.

Oh, and that's Peter's Esky between the two cars !!

That's his "then Girlfriend" in the Lakis car.

And, it's Easter 1968.

I'm amazed that the caption didn't follow the photo into this forum.

Would have saved a bit of time.......



#1033 Ray Bell

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Posted 02 December 2019 - 09:22

And how are you going with photos you don't need us to identify?

Will you be posting them here for us to see?

#1034 Ian G

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Posted 02 December 2019 - 10:32

Lindsay, he already had. Lakis was racing a very early Aussie-built Cooper S (If memory serves correct the 26th built) and rolled it. The Buckle roof was the fix.

 

Stephen

 

Yeah,as posted elsewhere the Series Prod. S was rolled,roof cut off,put on a jig to try and get the front wheels somewhere in alignment with the rear and then the roof fibreglassed on,end result the Buckle LMS(Lakis Manticas Special).

I'm glad he didn't have a major incident in it.


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#1035 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 02 December 2019 - 23:18

Probably the most villified car of the era. And I do agree. Though the two other Minis too are sans rollcages.

Though how many sports cars were raced with no rollbars in period! Too many.

Though the suitcase latches to hold the door closed is even a bigger worry as they do not even hold suitcases closed.

V8 Stupidcars should look though, then they can cut all the latches out and have more doors come open or jam closed.

History repeating?



#1036 mouserat159

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Posted 05 December 2019 - 01:54

Hello Ray,

Yes, I will be posting them for you all to see once I restore then for you all to see.

 

Regards.

 

Mouserat 

 

And how are you going with photos you don't need us to identify?

Will you be posting them here for us to see?